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On April 12 2013 03:12 Vivax wrote:
I don't care about mocsta either way. OO best lynch, he scum tryin to look good with his cases but no interest whatsoever in pursuing what he claims to believe.
I basically agree with this. We lynch OO and Sharrant today. Everything that I've talked to OO personally about in the last few weeks has been trying to improve his game to be a better player. You can see the effort towards that front in Red Team. None (or I guess, very little) similar effort here.
On April 12 2013 03:15 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 02:39 Keirathi wrote:On April 12 2013 02:34 yamato77 wrote:
Not to sound too impulsive, but if you want to shoot, make it between him and BM. One of them is almost certainly mafia, I feel, if not both. What the actual fuck? How can BM be scum if he picked JV? Which you also supposedly picked, but got VT? If he flips scum, you 100% die tomorrow for lying. How the fuck do I know what he picked? I do have a theory that would implicate one or the other, but that would require them both cooperating with the role-claim plan that's not happening.
He's been soft-claiming JV since the early part of the day. And if someone else is JV, why didn't they counter the soft claim? Who did they shoot last night? Etc.
On April 12 2013 03:17 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 03:13 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 12 2013 03:12 austinmcc wrote:On April 12 2013 03:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Austin, I tend to think that recent scum games, are close to what a player would do when he rolls scum, rather than past scum games a while ago.
Newbie 37 started on February 11 TL time. It less than 2 months old. It is not particular far away, and was within about ~3 weeks of Personality 2. In number of games its a ton. What do you mean by this, and by your comment about Ego or whatever? If you played differently in Ego than another scum game of yours, that supports the idea that there is no single way that a player plays scum --> i.e. scumMocsta is not necessarily passive mocsta. Also, what is this number of games thing? As best I can tell, mocsta played...one game in between those two at most? It's okay to look at game x but not a game that's two games behind x? It's okay to look at someone's MOST recent scumgame, but not their second most recent?
I think what Oats is getting at is that Mocsta's playstyle has evolved a bit the more that he's played. Not just as scum, but the more he plays in general.
Although I do agree with you that scum Mocsta is perfectly capable of playing an outspoken/abrasive scum game. I just don't think that THIS is that game.
Also: fkn thunderstorms knocking my power out repeatedly while I'm trying to post....FU.
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Cmon guys, Mocsta just isn't a good dayvig or lynch target today. If you put on enormous confirmation bias goggles he looks... still not clearly scum.
This discussion of his meta probably isn't too helpful either.
Lets settle on somebody else. Vivax/Sharrant/OO look like good targets. I'd say Sharrant but he looks a lot like lynchbait too (same read as I had on sinani. Scummy, but could just be lynchbait), so I'm waiting on his claim.
I'm not utterly counting out mocsta but until the deconduo shot and claim is somehow rationalized as scummy (which I can't see how it could be) I want the discussion somewhere more useful.
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Good, I'll sheep Keirathi's lynch choices then. Didn't look through Sharrant though so it's a matter of faith there, might do that later if I feel arsed to.
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Vivax.
All that means is that NOBODY knows you are gonna nuke. Which is the case.
Launching nuke doesnt mean LANDING the nuke dude .
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2013 03:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax.
All that means is that NOBODY knows you are gonna nuke. Which is the case.
Launching nuke doesnt mean LANDING the nuke dude .
I know, I said what I mean in sufficient detail in one of my earlier posts. I found it odd that MZ claimed his first nuke.
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Okay.
We KNOW he didn't nuke day 1 because all the deaths day 1 were "was lynched" deaths.
Obviously the deaths don't happen at night.
Day 2, the nuke has been MOD CONFIRMED to be flying at austinmcc.
CAN YOU STOP CLOUDING THE THREAD?
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K, apparently they were "found dead" but I'm pretty sure that THE FIRST NUKE IS NOT SILENT.
That is NOT what the role description means.
Oats can actually confirm he's masoned with M_Z since day 1
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On April 12 2013 03:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 03:19 Sn0_Man wrote:On April 12 2013 03:17 Vivax wrote:
It wasn't anything concrete, I was throwing in the thought that everything is possible around that nuke and it's not guaranteed that austin will be dead after this day.
A way of saying that there can be a lot of chaos caused by scum during this day. More accurately, you are causing confusion in the thread for no reason. M_Z didn't nuke day 1, his first nuke isn't silent, etc. You and geript are consistently throwing as much confusion as you can into this thread. PLEASE STOP. ##Nuke: Player. You must nuke 12 hours or more before day ends. Nukes land at the end of the day. Feel free to launch your first nuke without any warning.
I'm pretty sure the bolded part is in there because in some other game, someone used a nuke like 10 seconds into day 1 and people were pretty upset about it. I think that part isn't saying that the nuke is "silent" or "stealth" or whatever, just that you don't have to fear mod action is you use it silly.
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On April 11 2013 15:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I am not dead?
Shevlocke that was a dickish thing to do.
Ok so here's the story, I have really no motivation to defend myself atm for rather obvious reasons. In the mason group we had discussed austin a fair bit and I just wanted to get him out of the way and have a productive day not spent with the three of us having to herd the cats in this thread in order to get the lynch. Obviously this didn't work out. I'm fine dying to prove my alignment, I'd rather not but I understand that to certain people who can't see through multiple layers of this game I'm still somehow a good lynch and I don't feel like spending a lot of time changing their minds.
I will spend the following section on my defense: austin would have been an excellent shot had the check not proved us wrong. He tried very hard for artanis not to get lynched, in fact he was one of the only people who actually made a decent argument against it, he acknowledged VE but instead latched onto my posts about shevlocke and pushed them hard. with the flips, austin looked incredibly bad, and rather than try and fix his reads during the night phase he instead chose to mostly lurk. So I wanted to quickly render him irrelevant at the start of the day so we could have a more productive lynch. That obviously failed. To address the people who want me dead; you have no case on me, you've never had a case on me, and you never will have a case on me. A mistake doesn't make me scum and your attempts to kill me for a very transparent mistake which I've explained just display your own ignorance of the game as a whole. I will remind you all that I was the first person to call out artanis and I never backed away from that read when the heat started to pick up on him. Similarly, I was evolving on my position on VE without any scum motivation to do so; i.e. I did so before it became obvious VE was scum.
That's all I'm gonna say in my own defense. Moving forward I'm going to continue to without addressing this issue anymore. If people want me dead that's fine, this post is all I have for a defense and it would be pointless for me to spam about it. From here I really need to do some revaluation, I was only looking as far forward as artanis/shevlocke/austin/decon but since 2 are dead, 1 is dying, and the fourth I'm pretty sure is town, I have to spend some time to figure out the remaining 2-3 (probably 2) scum. I will not promise to never use the America role again, however if I do use it again, it will be after much more consideration and consultation with the thread.
That's all, it's late, I'm somewhat surprised to be alive, I will resume scum hunting tomorrow.
Is this really what we're going to take as valid explanation for a clearly anti-town action today?
I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but if people are going to FAWN over lynching null reads, why aren't we lynching into M_Z? No one but the two people he's masoned with can come up with a decent reason for him being town, and we aren't even getting the logs that apparently make him unassailable.
What the fuck else has he done? Who is he lynching? Questions without answers, folks. Right now, this is his largest contribution to the thread, and NONE of it is scum hunting. Will he do something today? I highly doubt it.
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On April 12 2013 03:29 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 12 2013 03:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
Vivax.
All that means is that NOBODY knows you are gonna nuke. Which is the case.
Launching nuke doesnt mean LANDING the nuke dude .
I know, I said what I mean in sufficient detail in one of my earlier posts. I found it odd that MZ claimed his first nuke.
HE NEEDED TO POST IN THREAD TO LAUNCH IT.
You understand english right?
Launching the nuke does not equal the nuke landing right?
Or is it the same for you?
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On April 12 2013 03:32 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 15:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I am not dead?
Shevlocke that was a dickish thing to do.
Ok so here's the story, I have really no motivation to defend myself atm for rather obvious reasons. In the mason group we had discussed austin a fair bit and I just wanted to get him out of the way and have a productive day not spent with the three of us having to herd the cats in this thread in order to get the lynch. Obviously this didn't work out. I'm fine dying to prove my alignment, I'd rather not but I understand that to certain people who can't see through multiple layers of this game I'm still somehow a good lynch and I don't feel like spending a lot of time changing their minds.
I will spend the following section on my defense: austin would have been an excellent shot had the check not proved us wrong. He tried very hard for artanis not to get lynched, in fact he was one of the only people who actually made a decent argument against it, he acknowledged VE but instead latched onto my posts about shevlocke and pushed them hard. with the flips, austin looked incredibly bad, and rather than try and fix his reads during the night phase he instead chose to mostly lurk. So I wanted to quickly render him irrelevant at the start of the day so we could have a more productive lynch. That obviously failed. To address the people who want me dead; you have no case on me, you've never had a case on me, and you never will have a case on me. A mistake doesn't make me scum and your attempts to kill me for a very transparent mistake which I've explained just display your own ignorance of the game as a whole. I will remind you all that I was the first person to call out artanis and I never backed away from that read when the heat started to pick up on him. Similarly, I was evolving on my position on VE without any scum motivation to do so; i.e. I did so before it became obvious VE was scum.
That's all I'm gonna say in my own defense. Moving forward I'm going to continue to without addressing this issue anymore. If people want me dead that's fine, this post is all I have for a defense and it would be pointless for me to spam about it. From here I really need to do some revaluation, I was only looking as far forward as artanis/shevlocke/austin/decon but since 2 are dead, 1 is dying, and the fourth I'm pretty sure is town, I have to spend some time to figure out the remaining 2-3 (probably 2) scum. I will not promise to never use the America role again, however if I do use it again, it will be after much more consideration and consultation with the thread.
That's all, it's late, I'm somewhat surprised to be alive, I will resume scum hunting tomorrow. Is this really what we're going to take as valid explanation for a clearly anti-town action today? I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but if people are going to FAWN over lynching null reads, why aren't we lynching into M_Z? No one but the two people he's masoned with can come up with a decent reason for him being town, and we aren't even getting the logs that apparently make him unassailable. What the fuck else has he done? Who is he lynching? Questions without answers, folks. Right now, this is his largest contribution to the thread, and NONE of it is scum hunting. Will he do something today? I highly doubt it.
IRL kinda takes priority you know, all the fake shots really take it out of a person.
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On April 12 2013 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 03:32 yamato77 wrote:On April 11 2013 15:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I am not dead?
Shevlocke that was a dickish thing to do.
Ok so here's the story, I have really no motivation to defend myself atm for rather obvious reasons. In the mason group we had discussed austin a fair bit and I just wanted to get him out of the way and have a productive day not spent with the three of us having to herd the cats in this thread in order to get the lynch. Obviously this didn't work out. I'm fine dying to prove my alignment, I'd rather not but I understand that to certain people who can't see through multiple layers of this game I'm still somehow a good lynch and I don't feel like spending a lot of time changing their minds.
I will spend the following section on my defense: austin would have been an excellent shot had the check not proved us wrong. He tried very hard for artanis not to get lynched, in fact he was one of the only people who actually made a decent argument against it, he acknowledged VE but instead latched onto my posts about shevlocke and pushed them hard. with the flips, austin looked incredibly bad, and rather than try and fix his reads during the night phase he instead chose to mostly lurk. So I wanted to quickly render him irrelevant at the start of the day so we could have a more productive lynch. That obviously failed. To address the people who want me dead; you have no case on me, you've never had a case on me, and you never will have a case on me. A mistake doesn't make me scum and your attempts to kill me for a very transparent mistake which I've explained just display your own ignorance of the game as a whole. I will remind you all that I was the first person to call out artanis and I never backed away from that read when the heat started to pick up on him. Similarly, I was evolving on my position on VE without any scum motivation to do so; i.e. I did so before it became obvious VE was scum.
That's all I'm gonna say in my own defense. Moving forward I'm going to continue to without addressing this issue anymore. If people want me dead that's fine, this post is all I have for a defense and it would be pointless for me to spam about it. From here I really need to do some revaluation, I was only looking as far forward as artanis/shevlocke/austin/decon but since 2 are dead, 1 is dying, and the fourth I'm pretty sure is town, I have to spend some time to figure out the remaining 2-3 (probably 2) scum. I will not promise to never use the America role again, however if I do use it again, it will be after much more consideration and consultation with the thread.
That's all, it's late, I'm somewhat surprised to be alive, I will resume scum hunting tomorrow. Is this really what we're going to take as valid explanation for a clearly anti-town action today? I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but if people are going to FAWN over lynching null reads, why aren't we lynching into M_Z? No one but the two people he's masoned with can come up with a decent reason for him being town, and we aren't even getting the logs that apparently make him unassailable. What the fuck else has he done? Who is he lynching? Questions without answers, folks. Right now, this is his largest contribution to the thread, and NONE of it is scum hunting. Will he do something today? I highly doubt it. IRL kinda takes priority you know, all the fake shots really take it out of a person.
That's a pathetic excuse.
He's had ample time to "scumhunt" if he actually was invested in town.
Why don't you give us these logs that make you and RO so convinced that he's not mafia?
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On April 12 2013 03:21 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 03:17 austinmcc wrote:On April 12 2013 03:13 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 12 2013 03:12 austinmcc wrote:On April 12 2013 03:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Austin, I tend to think that recent scum games, are close to what a player would do when he rolls scum, rather than past scum games a while ago.
Newbie 37 started on February 11 TL time. It less than 2 months old. It is not particular far away, and was within about ~3 weeks of Personality 2. In number of games its a ton. What do you mean by this, and by your comment about Ego or whatever? If you played differently in Ego than another scum game of yours, that supports the idea that there is no single way that a player plays scum --> i.e. scumMocsta is not necessarily passive mocsta. Also, what is this number of games thing? As best I can tell, mocsta played...one game in between those two at most? It's okay to look at game x but not a game that's two games behind x? It's okay to look at someone's MOST recent scumgame, but not their second most recent? I mean that when you play more games, your view on the game changes and your playstyle changes, same as your meta. So games that are more than 5 games behind this one is not VERY ACCURATE in determining meta in my opinion, especially with the game I JUST played. My mindset was totally different between LIX and Ego, and I assume Mocsta's one is different between Newbie and Personality. Also newbie games play differently because you feel differently about the players in the game. Okay, I agree with this. But the very fact that your view on the game changes and your playstyle changes means that you can't just go "he was quiet in personality and he's not quiet here so he's not scum." Like...this:On April 12 2013 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also most recent scum game, Personality 2, he was really lurky and didnt arouse anyones suspicion ANYWHERE near like this.
does not match up with someone being able to change their views on the game and playstyle. That's what I'm getting at. Not that personality 2 isn't important at all, but that it's not the be-all-end-all. If you actually believe that playstyle can change, then you're fine to put little stock in that newbie game, but you're not fine to put oodles of stock into personality.
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On April 12 2013 03:38 yamato77 wrote:
LET'S LYNCH MEAPAK
No.
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If meapak were mafia he could have nuked D1 and didn't.
If meapak DOES have a silent nuke, it would have KILLED SOMEONE. Therefore, IF he had a silent nuke and used it, he killed either artanis or VE (the only people to die at the end of the day). They both flipped mafia. So IF there's a scary ol' silent nuke, it means he used it to kill mafia...
I don't terribly have a problem with someone thinking I was scum at the start of D2. I don't love my play up until that point, and could see nuking me if I were someone else. I don't find his play super anti-town in terms of nuke use except that he didn't check the thread a final time before posting what he'd been writing up.
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On April 12 2013 03:41 Keirathi wrote:No.
YES
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On April 12 2013 03:39 geript wrote:
Sno... Claim.
You know, at this point when it comes time for me to claim I think I'll ask austinmcc to do the honours for me.
That way you can't shoot me if you are scum BC.
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