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On April 12 2013 02:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also most recent scum game, Personality 2, he was really lurky and didnt arouse anyones suspicion ANYWHERE near like this. I don't much care about that comparison, though.
I've seen him be spammy and active as scum.
I've seen him be lurky as scum.
So...neither one really makes me think anything. I read him more as a player who can recognize how he's posting and use it to suit his needs, ramping up spamminess/crappiness as needed when he's scum to derail the thread.
In personality, he was super lurky D2 because he was in mason chat with prom. We used him to try to keep prom out of thread, and frankly we, as mafia, didn't NEED to do much. marv/foolishness and everything was spamming the thread so hard that we looked GOOD by not spamming.
What's one thing that some folks learned in Personality 2? Spam the thread and you're town! Marv kept harping on how he had to be town because you couldn't post so much as mafia. Again, it fits the narrative I've built, but mocsta here has been spamming HARD. I really noticed it during D2, it's one reason I told him I'd quit reading his posts, because he got too spammy and dumb with them. In the back of my head were marv's comments, and how one way I'd play as scum from now on out is to spam hard hard hard and have that to fall back on. Really, a lot of mocsta's comments today have not been helpful in the least.
Blah blah. There's a lot of me just interpreting everything to paint him scum now, because it fits so dang well with what I think a scum player might want to do in this game.
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On April 12 2013 02:27 Keirathi wrote:
Austin:
My problem with your narrative is that I think if scum could have gotten the lynch switched over to VE, then Artanis may have actually looked better today with a scum already flipped. AND they would still have a direct use KP. Maybe Artanis would have still gotten lynched today, but he almost certainly would have gotten another shot off too.
I just think it would have been in scum's best interest to start pushing towards VE rather than Artanis. I would have been convinced that someone would shoot/check artanis overnight. At the very least, even if someone does something to VE to confirm him being NRA, it means an additional townie kill, whether he gets lynched D2 or not.
Someone visiting VE overnight much better for scum than someone visiting Artanis, no matter whether they're visiting with a bullet or a check.
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I have the same doubts about Mocsta as you, Austin.
The one thing I find to make me doubt him being mafia is his suspicion on deconduo and the resulting shot, but even that has a plausible scum motivation in getting off the janitor and giving Mocsta some decent town cred for shooting a guy town would have lynched anyway.
Not to sound too impulsive, but if you want to shoot, make it between him and BM. One of them is almost certainly mafia, I feel, if not both.
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I was thinking...
Has ANYBODY made sense of rayn's "last words"?
On April 10 2013 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, i can't stay up later. One thing i need to say:
geript: If i get hit tonight you have the instructions on how to proceed. Make wise decisions! You will know what i mean!
On April 10 2013 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Whoops. I actually meant Mocsta. Got confused about your names. :D
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Yeah actually BM's claimed role makes a lot of sense(for BM to be scum) with the janitor popped.
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On April 12 2013 02:32 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 02:27 Keirathi wrote:
Austin:
My problem with your narrative is that I think if scum could have gotten the lynch switched over to VE, then Artanis may have actually looked better today with a scum already flipped. AND they would still have a direct use KP. Maybe Artanis would have still gotten lynched today, but he almost certainly would have gotten another shot off too.
I just think it would have been in scum's best interest to start pushing towards VE rather than Artanis. I would have been convinced that someone would shoot/check artanis overnight. At the very least, even if someone does something to VE to confirm him being NRA, it means an additional townie kill, whether he gets lynched D2 or not. Someone visiting VE overnight much better for scum than someone visiting Artanis, no matter whether they're visiting with a bullet or a check.
The problem is that VE was already outed as quite possibly NRA. No one would have visited him. It would have been beyond dumb. I know that even if VE hadn't been lynched, I sure as hell wouldn't have checked him. For all intents and purposes, he was useless to the scum team with his role outed.
And, if someone visited Artanis with a check instead of a shot, then he still has time during the day today to shoot someone. As long as he does it before he gets day-vigged. Geript had already claimed VT, RO had claimed framer, and its possible scum drafted a role cop too. He would have just needed to shoot as soon as the day started, and he was already more useful alive than VE would have been.
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On April 12 2013 02:34 yamato77 wrote:
Not to sound too impulsive, but if you want to shoot, make it between him and BM. One of them is almost certainly mafia, I feel, if not both.
What the actual fuck?
How can BM be scum if he picked JV? Which you also supposedly picked, but got VT?
If he flips scum, you 100% die tomorrow for lying.
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On April 12 2013 02:36 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 02:32 austinmcc wrote:On April 12 2013 02:27 Keirathi wrote:
Austin:
My problem with your narrative is that I think if scum could have gotten the lynch switched over to VE, then Artanis may have actually looked better today with a scum already flipped. AND they would still have a direct use KP. Maybe Artanis would have still gotten lynched today, but he almost certainly would have gotten another shot off too.
I just think it would have been in scum's best interest to start pushing towards VE rather than Artanis. I would have been convinced that someone would shoot/check artanis overnight. At the very least, even if someone does something to VE to confirm him being NRA, it means an additional townie kill, whether he gets lynched D2 or not. Someone visiting VE overnight much better for scum than someone visiting Artanis, no matter whether they're visiting with a bullet or a check. The problem is that VE was already outed as quite possibly NRA. No one would have visited him. It would have been beyond dumb. I know that even if VE hadn't been lynched, I sure as hell wouldn't have checked him. For all intents and purposes, he was useless to the scum team with his role outed. And, if someone visited Artanis with a check instead of a shot, then he still has time during the day today to shoot someone. As long as he does it before he gets day-vigged. Geript had already claimed VT, RO had claimed framer, and its possible scum drafted a role cop too. He would have just needed to shoot as soon as the day started, and he was already more useful alive than VE would have been. All true. I don't like snb for scum, and the list is starting to get a little shorter. More claims may help narrow this down, but right now I'm concerned with OO, mocsta, both sh players, and I'm sure there's someone that I'm just not seeing.
The thing that gives me the most pause is mocsta rambling in the night phase about all these people becoming "confirmed town" - snb, sinani, shelvocke. I HATE calling people that as scum, but I'm also not comfortable adjusting my reads as scum, and mocsta may be more comfortable with that. Don't know. Blech.
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On April 12 2013 02:39 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 02:34 yamato77 wrote:
Not to sound too impulsive, but if you want to shoot, make it between him and BM. One of them is almost certainly mafia, I feel, if not both. What the actual fuck? How can BM be scum if he picked JV? Which you also supposedly picked, but got VT? If he flips scum, you 100% die tomorrow for lying.
Anybody who died N1 could be JV... (okay probably not caller)
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On April 12 2013 02:41 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 02:39 Keirathi wrote:On April 12 2013 02:34 yamato77 wrote:
Not to sound too impulsive, but if you want to shoot, make it between him and BM. One of them is almost certainly mafia, I feel, if not both. What the actual fuck? How can BM be scum if he picked JV? Which you also supposedly picked, but got VT? If he flips scum, you 100% die tomorrow for lying. Anybody who died N1 could be JV... (okay probably not caller)
Not decon either. He was either the Janitor like he claimed, or he was scum and knew who the Janitor was.
Rayn: unlikely pick at #2.
Palmar: maybe. I doubt it, but its a possibility. I honestly think Palmar was Emperor.
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Caller cannot.
Deconduo cannot. If he's town, he wouldn't lie about being janitor. If he's scum he wouldn't pick JV
Palmar POSSIBLY, but I was convinced on D1 that Palmar was the emperor and that still feels quite possibly true - was scummy on VE, would like to take roles that encourage killing, and emperor gets a kill D1 PLUS gets to cause a double lynch later (and has to activate double lynch during the night, so even though he died he could be the cause of our double lynch).
rayn is unknown.
BM loves to troll and make things up and lay "traps" and whatever, but the whole bit where he knew caller was scum and was dancing around things made it feel like he's actually justice vigi. However, we'll see.
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KEIRATHI WHY ARE WE NOT MIND-MELDED ON MOCSTA.
AND WHY DID MZ SHOOT ME IN THE FAAAAAAAAAAAACE.
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On April 12 2013 02:45 austinmcc wrote:
KEIRATHI WHY ARE WE NOT MIND-MELDED ON MOCSTA.
AND WHY DID MZ SHOOT ME IN THE FAAAAAAAAAAAACE.
:o
It was a poor shot, and I was extremely saddened.
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Hmmm good point.
There has to be something about rayn though. Was he Ver or something? I don't think so... And I can't really think of anybody else who would "leave instructions" as it were (I just went through the role list).
I'd really like BM and Sharrant to claim NOW.
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On April 12 2013 02:35 Sn0_Man wrote:I was thinking... Has ANYBODY made sense of rayn's "last words"? Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, i can't stay up later. One thing i need to say:
geript: If i get hit tonight you have the instructions on how to proceed. Make wise decisions! You will know what i mean! Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 10 2013 09:52 geript wrote:
Okay bro. Whoops. I actually meant Mocsta. Got confused about your names. :D
THIS FEELS LIKE IT MIGHT BE IMPORTANT.
Usually when I see stuff like this, it's junk like ... the weak doctors in Liquid City or whatever that game was, where they kept dying after protecting mafia and basically being DTs. The only role that makes any sense here though is rayn being...Ver? And PMing mocsta and pretty much only mocsta? I dunno. But mocsta does say that he didn't get anything from rayn, so ... grrrrr.
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On April 12 2013 02:27 Keirathi wrote:
Austin:
My problem with your narrative is that I think if scum could have gotten the lynch switched over to VE, then Artanis may have actually looked better today with a scum already flipped. AND they would still have a direct use KP. Maybe Artanis would have still gotten lynched today, but he almost certainly would have gotten another shot off too.
I just think it would have been in scum's best interest to start pushing towards VE rather than Artanis. I'm getting too spammy now, but I'm finally interested in something and I feel like I have license to mass post/respond since I'm dying.
Start reading mocsta's filter in the middle of page 11 for the annotated time period. mocsta DOES try to push things onto VE after having this long conversation with artanis, who he's 100% convinced is scum just a little bit earlier. He's also got a lot of back and forth with caller that...again, fits my stupid narrative and I just want him to be scum so baaaaaaaaaaaaaad so I can be right about something this game.
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Mocsta killed deconduo.
That seems pretty townie although you could explain it as mafia taking an easy shot. Why did he claim it though? I think there are better shots today TBH (although you really don't answer to anybody right now  ).
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On April 12 2013 03:00 Sn0_Man wrote:Mocsta killed deconduo. That seems pretty townie although you could explain it as mafia taking an easy shot. Why did he claim it though? I think there are better shots today TBH (although you really don't answer to anybody right now ). Yeah, the decon bit is wonky. It's odd for decon to claim janitor if he actually was, nearly as odd as using janitor while being a friggin townie.
I've come around on decon definitely being mafia for using janitor. It's just such a weird thing to claim it and say you used it and give a particular reason WHY. Unless you're trying to screw up town's math, which he would be doing, which makes sense, which...again, grrrr.
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On April 12 2013 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote:
Question: S & B claimed that MZ is town america, but where's the D1 nuke then?
I can currently just support a shot on OO, he's scum.
Rereading Sharrant and BM now since MZ and S & B seem to be off the hook. Does america have to shoot every day? I didnt read it like that.
America's first nuke is stealth. It doesn't need to be claimed, and if MZ didn't shoot D1, then he didn't have to claim D2.
On April 12 2013 02:14 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2013 02:02 Vivax wrote:
Keirathi spit out a case on me or fuck off, thanks. Don't need you joining the most silent bandwagon in the thread where people say "Vivax scum just because", that's sketchy as shit. It's partly process of elimination, partly the convenient roleclaim, partly your interactions VE, and partly how hard you tried to wheedle sn0's role out of him. I just don't see much in your filter that I directly contribute to town. Maybe you are, maybe you aren't, but like I said, you're one of the last 3 people I don't have solid reasons for thinking that they are town.
My roleclaim was DEMANDED, not convenient, and the mass claim is a shit idea. But I want a check before I get lynched at least.
I did everything wrong regarding VE and Artanis, ironically that's what likely makes me town, I'm not suicidal as scum.
Sno is an uncontested 1 1 picker who deserves suspicion in my opinion. But while he keeps posting, unlike D1, I'll keep my attention on OO.
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