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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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strongandbig
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On April 12 2013 01:52 austinmcc wrote: You like vivax for scum? Also on my list...mocsta. I'm pretty down with Keirathi's list of three, depending on the roleclaims. | ||
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Vivax
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I can currently just support a shot on OO, he's scum. Rereading Sharrant and BM now since MZ and S & B seem to be off the hook. | ||
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geript
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On April 12 2013 01:57 Sn0_Man wrote: SHARRANT please claim asap. No you claim now. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 12 2013 01:52 austinmcc wrote: You like vivax for scum? Also on my list...mocsta. Yea, I think Vivax is quite possibly scum. As far as Mocsta....meh. I wouldn't be *SUPER* surprised if he's scum, but I've had a town read on him the entire game. He's playing like I normally see him play as town; loud, abrasive, arguing all the wrong things, but (seemingly) genuinely thinking about the game in his own weird way. | ||
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Vivax
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geript
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I have sn0's alignment and role. I am about to flip later today. If I'm mafia, you're more than welcome to bitch at sn0. However, when I'm town, you're going to realize that you've been in the weeds on this. Your claim was quite helpful to put attention on VE, and on the top of the list in general. I find you townie based on that, but it doesn't mean you ARE town. Caller USED HIS ROLE TO KILL SCUM and may have been mafia himself. Now, he's the sort of player who would do that as scum, but at the very least you need to realize that: (1) You're not 100% confirmed, and, more importantly (2) NOBODY CARES EVEN IF YOU'RE 100% CONFIRMED OR NOT BECAUSE THE GOAL OF THE GAME ISN'T "ESTABLISH SELF AS TOWN AND THEN BE UNHELPFUL AND RUDE We hunt scum. We keep thread legible. We work mothereffing together when possible. By sniping at sn0, you're making the thread less legible, you're wasting your time, you're wasting sn0's time in responding, you're wasting my time because I feel like herding cats today instead of scumhunting because I'm playing poorly this game blah blah blah. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Vivax
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geript
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 12 2013 02:08 geript wrote: Look Austin. I won't mourn you. If you want to herd cats, whatevs. But at least herd both stray cats. You're treating me like dumb town but not him. That's suspicious in the least. Because you are the dumbest person talking right now. Smart up or shut up. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Godfather role description] + You are the Godfather of the Mafia. You lead the Mafia by example and have a number of abilities which assist your minions in bringing Liquiville to it's knees. You have the ability to cover a player, changing their role and alignment to anything you want. You can choose to appear as a role of your choice (including vanilla townie) to any and all types of detective-esque actions. You are immune to votechecks. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On April 12 2013 01:57 Vivax wrote: Question: S & B claimed that MZ is town america, but where's the D1 nuke then? I can currently just support a shot on OO, he's scum. Rereading Sharrant and BM now since MZ and S & B seem to be off the hook. Does america have to shoot every day? I didnt read it like that. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On April 12 2013 02:02 Vivax wrote: Keirathi spit out a case on me or fuck off, thanks. Don't need you joining the most silent bandwagon in the thread where people say "Vivax scum just because", that's sketchy as shit. It's partly process of elimination, partly the convenient roleclaim, partly your interactions VE, and partly how hard you tried to wheedle sn0's role out of him. I just don't see much in your filter that I directly contribute to town. Maybe you are, maybe you aren't, but like I said, you're one of the last 3 people I don't have solid reasons for thinking that they are town. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 12 2013 01:58 Keirathi wrote: I will admit to not being a mocsta-expert here, but it's troubling me.Yea, I think Vivax is quite possibly scum. As far as Mocsta....meh. I wouldn't be *SUPER* surprised if he's scum, but I've had a town read on him the entire game. He's playing like I normally see him play as town; loud, abrasive, arguing all the wrong things, but (seemingly) genuinely thinking about the game in his own weird way. He is very loud and abrasive. He can play that way as town. Heck, it was one reason I thought he was mafia in Newbie 37, he was so obviously loud and abrasive when he didn't need to be. Also, he was scum that game. I don't like picking out certain qualities of his game to make him town or scum in that case, and it reminds me of JingleHell in Aperture 2. I completely threw him out as a scumread because he was being so obnoxious and useless, but he was doing it on purpose. I can see mocsta being able to play a certain way on purpose, to skate through the game. I remember fighting with him D1 over artanis. But when I look at the timings, gonzaw posts his case while mocsta is trying to push a rayn lynch. AFTER gonzaw posts his case, what happens? On April 07 2013 17:22 Mocsta wrote: Mocsta is now entirely on board with an artanis lynch. Mocsta doesn't even mention rayn. He's been pushing rayn, discussing rayn, trying to get votes on rayn, and drops it like it's hot once gonzaw's case pops up. In later posts he halfway stays on rayn, tries to draw associations between rayn and artanis, and then later is townie on rayn, but the speed with which he stops posting on one guy and picks up the artanis wagon reads scummy to me. It reads like scum says "Oh, that's not a bad case at all," it picks up some steam, and at least some of them have to jump on it. If you follow the rest of the day, mocsta goes from just sheeping Gonzaw's case to slowly arguing it more and more, adding the conviction stuff, and really...in some ways carrying the banner for the artanis lynch? IF he's scum, he's making sure everyone knows that he's on the artanis lynch plan, being very vocal and visible about it, in order to get the maximum cred from it. One way to read it. Not guaranteed.I just finished catching up on the thread. Agree with the points. At first I didnt mind him propelling himself into the thread with his RNG idea.. but i think that is the key to why he is scum. Reminds me of a scum game, where I had a lurker in my team; and i told him specifically to just post your thoughts into the middle of a convo, to stand out.. cos "scum dont do that". You are right Gonzaw, artanis doesnt have conviction in any idea that he pushes; everything is half-assed. ##Unvote ##Vote: Artanis[Xp] How does he deal with the VE stuff D1? On April 08 2013 12:27 Mocsta wrote: Tough predicament now regarding NRA. Thing is: Keirathi and his role recommendation post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766¤tpage=34#663 NRA is desired by both partiesl and I can see why. It gives you awesome defense as town/scum against Day Kill and Night Kill. It also acts as a great trap pick for the early draftees. ============= Geript, whilst I have really liked your play this game. I think the move to jump to a conclusion to vote VE is too haste and requires a more fastidious attitude. VE play has been odd this game - that is undeniable. But odd does not 100% equate scum. I liked your case a lot; but I love the Artanis[Xp] case and what it unraveled. Stay the course. VE is odd, the case is good, but it's too hasty and we need to just stay on Artanis. On April 08 2013 13:03 Mocsta wrote: Again, "maybe scum is trying to get us to go after VE?" (which would indicate he was townie on VE except he doesn't appear to be). Nope. Stay the course. Artanis artanis artanis.Now anways, lets get this show back on track. Gonzaw was a good scum hit; the timing is what is interesting. Are they trying to force us onto VE, because it happened when we were talking about him? hmmm.. for now, i want to maintain the legacy Gonzaw started. We keep the lynch on Artanis[Xp] On April 08 2013 13:18 Mocsta wrote: The thread topic at the time was: Geript/VE NRA item. Which was potentially juicy enough to get a wagon off Artanis Im saying this all this, because if Artanis (who we are lynching) flips red.. im inclined to think VE is town. Think about what would happen if the thread lynches VE. They're STILL going to go after artanis too, nothing has painted artanis as town over the course of geript's claim and gonzaw getting shot. Mafia, at this point, CANNOT let VE be the day's only lynch. Mafia CANNOT allow VE to die by lynch with Artanis hanging in the wind and possibly some mafia members having taken a hard stance that Artanis is town. Heck, that fits with caller being mafia. Mafia NEEDS THE DAY TO END. They need a lynch on artanis, they need to get that cred, they need to protect VE. They didn't know we'd have a second lynch, and it would have (and did) ROYALLY fuck any plans to keep VE alive. At this point, they just can't save artanis because they've gone so hard on lynching him (again IF mafia didn't think they could get votes onto NOT artanis). Okay wait, I'm going to halt here. Does anyone see what I'm seeing? There's some more little stuff, niggling doubts about some of his posts, the way he's been so chummy with a lot of players, but...I really hate the timing on his artanis vote and then the way he plays out the rest of that day. We can discuss the other stuff later/shortly, and I'm crafting a narrative here, but...ack. I really like the narrative  | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
OFC, its hard for me to tell because I've played 2 games with scum Mocsta and I think 0 with town mocsta. I want to lynch him less this game than ever before  | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Scum Mocsta doesnt randomly piss people off. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
My problem with your narrative is that I think if scum could have gotten the lynch switched over to VE, then Artanis may have actually looked better today with a scum already flipped. AND they would still have a direct use KP. Maybe Artanis would have still gotten lynched today, but he almost certainly would have gotten another shot off too. I just think it would have been in scum's best interest to start pushing towards VE rather than Artanis. | ||
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