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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 12:31 GMT
#2661
On January 06 2013 21:00 Lazermonkey wrote:
Back to tunneling Hopeless : )

I'm actually going to concede my argument with that Hopeless meta play is making him scum. It doesn't actually. While he isn't really playing like town he isn't playing like scum either. So it's quite a null tell imo. Maybe a slight town tell even.

Hopeless, you said yourself that I shouldn't just watch TLVII Mafia because you were way more active then. You instead say I should watch Chrono trigger. CT is a completely diferent game than TLVII (which is much more similar to this game). But I must say I can see the similarities between CT and this game. Tho it's entirely possible that you are saying this just to justify your scum play.

With that being said, Hopeless is still scum : )


the fuck is this bull shit? Do you think you are contributing anything here?

Okay Viv, will do. I'll try not to hate you for winning YAN too much and actually deal with you as if you were a human being. Happy belated birthday (I would have aid it yesterday but I was too mad). You had such a nice little birthday hat though, I liked it.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 12:33 GMT
#2662
Prome maybe some fresh eyes on Palmar would be nice, what do you think of him?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 12:40 GMT
#2663
No idea yet. I'm on page 29 and I don't like him much but literally nothing has happened at that point in the game/
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 12:43 GMT
#2664
Eh okay I didn't realize you literally just started reading the game. I guess we'll hear from you in a couple of hours then.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
January 06 2013 12:52 GMT
#2665
@ Clarity

Remember how Sentinel attacked you for attacking Jackal?

It's in the third nested quote. I actually didn't like your town claim argument for suspecting him, but his behaviour regarding Jackal is quite stinky.
He also endorsed both a marv and a BC lynch without caring about it.

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On January 05 2013 21:48 Clarity_nl wrote:
[UoN]Sentinel be scum

Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 12:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Good. Nobody has missed me. I wish I was a scum, I could lurk all the way to morning or even the deadline.

On January 03 2013 22:25 Lazermonkey wrote:
Anyone else noticed that Sentinel have ONLY been trolling and useless this far?


And have you been better? What have you done? Enlighten me.

I am not posting anything of great mass or importance. This is more obligatory than anything now that I think of it.

It is currently 22:06 where I am. I am going to sleep and will wake up at 04:00 the next morning. I will then read the filters of several players and will not stop until I have substantial evidences to point two of my fingers, but perfereably more, at people who I am suspicious of. It'll be like the metal horns but with more killing. Basically I'm not lurking anymore.

I have these people in my head already and in exactly eight hours or less I will report my findings. I wish you all a pleasant night and to keep the vitriol to acceptable levels.


This is Sentinel's big post, before the point he's kind of joked around and lurked and gone with the flow but now he's coming out in full force you guys!

Let's start with the very first sentence:
Show nested quote +
Good. Nobody has missed me. I wish I was a scum, I could lurk all the way to morning or even the deadline.

"lol you guys I wish I was scum, because if I was scum I would continue lurking, therefore this statement is me implying I'm town"
Implying that you are town is a scummy thing to do, town have no need for it, they ARE town, they don't have to imply it.
But more telling than that is that Sentinel betrays his own priorities, namely that while reading through the thread the first thing he looks for is if anyone is suspicious of him. Town look for scum, and if they see a case on themselves then they might react, they don't react to the fact that there is no case on them.

He then responds to the one post that ever mentioned him up until that point, and promises the thread that he will stop lurking and be the best damn scumhunted this world has ever seen. Sure enough, he does end up posting around the time he promised, but the result is.... less than expected. Remember "two fingers to point, preferably more"

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On January 04 2013 20:14 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I really don't like Clarity's filter. He does exactly two (2) things in it - he repeatedly insists Tunkeg is town while simultaneously talking about how bad he is. Something I would agree with by itself.

The other thing is tunnel Jackal. I don't know where you're going with this but it's not working. It's working less than the immigrant worker I hired to fix my deck. Jackal was lurking and given the suspicion... proceeded to lurk! Very effective tunneling.

On January 04 2013 05:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Seriously though we should lynch this jackal guy. I randomly voted him out of a pool of lurkers, but like a good lil townie I stuck to it and his appearance did not impress.

On January 04 2013 01:10 Jackal58 wrote:
On January 03 2013 23:45 yamato77 wrote:
Hey Palmar

Remember last game when I kept saying debears wasn't playing like town debears.

This doesn't look like town Palmar. Town Palmar gave reads and interacted with the thread.

This Palmar is being a dick.

Town Palmar and scum Palmar can both be dicks. Don't even try to use that as a read. Lynching Palmar on day one is usually a bad idea. Blowing him up on the other hand is hilarious.
Don't worry Palmar. Kurumi did not give me a bim.


On January 04 2013 01:18 Jackal58 wrote:
Saw that BC
Almost like a PSA from the scum team.


Two posts, both of them brief, and responding to thinks that happened on that current page. No commentary on anything, just pops in to make a joke and "agree" with someone that something is scummy.

Lynch the scum.

That is point two. Now here is the reason I don't like his filter at all - is because he doesn't back things up at all. I see no concrete reads, or concrete anything other than these two cases. No lengthy discussions. Ima go back to Hero Mini and see how Clarity did over there for more information.

Until then I will give you the benefit of the doubt since being sick sucks.

Tunkeg, do you ever get bored of your own whiny voice, explaining how you're so amazing and the only mistakes you've ever had were because you weren't trying. Hero wasn't "half the scumteam tunneling you for the entire game" it was simply "the scumteam going for the easy target", because that's what you are. You never pinned marv as scum, even as you were getting lynched by him you were just calling him arrogant and smug and all this other shit.
Stop bitching, fuck.

Granted this made me laugh. Next victim.

On January 04 2013 10:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
I agree with marv. If you look at when Palmar rolls scum, he does this all the time. Towns leave him alone when he trolls so hard because "no scum would draw attention to themselves like that!" they conveniently look past the disruption to try and rationalize Palmar's play. Palmar is really destructive as scum because he can get away with it. This is particularly why he's good at playing third party. No scum will ever shoot a troll, and town won't lynch such a vocal vet.

So, let's kill him.

##vote Palmar


I could honestly go for this if he doesn't produce the logs out of his ass before the night. I think the risk of scum knowing Palmar's thoughts is justified compared to being viewed as town in our eyes. It would do much more than simply asking him to be town as yamato suggested.

I'm voting for Palmar until he brings out those logs.


Well, technically it is two fingers, one on myself and one sheeping bugs onto Palmar.

The "case" on myself is filled with true statements. I called Tunkeg town a bunch and I "tunneled" (read: policy voted and reinforced) Jackal. Then he calls my tunneling bad because it was ineffective.
He then says that I don't back up my statements. He ends it all with saying he'll go read one of my older games and that he'll "give me the benefit of the doubt because I might be sick"

Wait. He doesn't think I'm scum? He also never ends up commenting on my earlier game, which would have been different from this game, so I am going with: He lied

So half of this "promised grand entrance of a post where he will work as long as it takes!" is an inconclusive read. All the true statements he made add up to nothing.
Surely the other half will be better? Not quite.
Show nested quote +
I'm voting for Palmar until he brings out those logs.

Not only a conditional vote which are the worst kinds of vote, but the tone of it implies he believes the logs exist at this point., where many doubt it. Ofcourse he wouldn't doubt a town Palmar had the logs if he himself were scum.

But he promised to stop lurking, so maybe he'll pick it up later on? Again, not quite.
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
As hard as I try, I have no idea what the hell we're talking about anymore.

Ima go read Adam's filter because for some reason he has been flying under my radar. Then I will have to go back to class because astronomy is my only free period


I am.... so confused right now..... so instead of trying to figure out what's going on I guess I'll go...... READ ADAM YEAAHHHHH

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On January 05 2013 05:32 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I am going to spare marv for the night because I feel that town marv is plausible. Just a little bit. A little bit plausible. We'll see.

BC on the other hand I have a very hard time imagining him to be town. He's had a conversation about Chez with yamato, and made one post about how despite getting his shit together, Palmar is apparently irredeemable. Then some whining à la Tunkeg. Except Tunkeg is just the embodiment of frustration.

Convince me marv is mafia, or at least summarize for me pretty please. I've been spaced the whole day and might have missed a lot in the thread since my clarity/Palmar post.


I feel that marv town is plausible.
I haven't really read the thread.
Please convince me that marv is scum.

Show nested quote +
I've been spaced the whole day and might have missed a lot in the thread since my clarity/Palmar post.

Wait. But I thought Jackal made this post:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 20:53 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I am going to read all this when I get back.

For now, unvoting.

So Jackal is telling us he hasn't read much after his post on me/palmar, after said post he posted the above
AND FOUR HOURS AFTER THAT, HE POSTED THIS POST I SHOWED EARLIER
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On January 05 2013 00:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
As hard as I try, I have no idea what the hell we're talking about anymore.

Ima go read Adam's filter because for some reason he has been flying under my radar. Then I will have to go back to class because astronomy is my only free period


He's trying to tell us he hasn't read the thread properly, and he's confused, and his first TOWN reaction is to go read up on Adam?!?!?!

The rest of his filter is questions that don't go anywhere and jokes, of which there are quite a few. Regardless his filter is basically one page long, since 15 of his posts are in the pregame.

Where is the promised activity, where are the promised "fingers to point", where is town Sentinel? He doesn't exist, he's scum.

Lynch this fucker, he be scum.


Tell me what you think of him now.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 12:57 GMT
#2666
He's town. I liked his response and he had a "townslip" that I pointed out a little earlier.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 12:58 GMT
#2667
His attack on me was terrible but it wasn't scum terrible, it was the promises thing that really had me thinking he was scum for a while.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 06 2013 13:03 GMT
#2668
On January 06 2013 21:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 21:00 Lazermonkey wrote:
Back to tunneling Hopeless : )

I'm actually going to concede my argument with that Hopeless meta play is making him scum. It doesn't actually. While he isn't really playing like town he isn't playing like scum either. So it's quite a null tell imo. Maybe a slight town tell even.

Hopeless, you said yourself that I shouldn't just watch TLVII Mafia because you were way more active then. You instead say I should watch Chrono trigger. CT is a completely diferent game than TLVII (which is much more similar to this game). But I must say I can see the similarities between CT and this game. Tho it's entirely possible that you are saying this just to justify your scum play.

With that being said, Hopeless is still scum : )


You basically just said that his meta doesn't make him scum because it can be similar to his town play, but your argument for him being scum is directly tied to his meta.
I'm not saying he can't be scum, he definitely could be, but you're not going to convince people by repeating the fact that "he hasn't scumhunted" is your only argument, which can be explained away by meta.
The fact that he hasn't been scum hunting is not the only reason I'm calling him scum. His super defensive tone and the way he tries to set up wagons are also major parts of the case.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 13:07 GMT
#2669
Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
January 06 2013 13:09 GMT
#2670
Ahoy again!

You know who's clever? Keirathi is! Instead of going to the big ol' communal bathroom, he took a stroll outside of the building and took a leak on a tree. Clever, that guy Keirathi. Well, we've got another mystery to solve! Who the fuck planted a man-eating tree in the campus? Because it's autumn in the winter now. Entire body of Keirathi is ravaged in the upper branches of the tree. Holy it sure does look disturbing.
+ Show Spoiler +

Keirathi the Batman (Vengeful Vigilante) is dead.
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 13:10 GMT
#2671
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 13:11 GMT
#2672
Guys seriously stop taking pisses alone.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 13:13 GMT
#2673
Started reading filters instead of the game and came across this gem.

On January 05 2013 02:11 Palmar wrote:
don't worry marv, if you flip town I'll lynch BC next.

That's when the fun starts.


Clarity: Palmar, by his own admission, is scum.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 13:15 GMT
#2674
I hate to wifom kills but I immediately hopped on keirathi's filter and he quite fervently called palmar scum.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 13:15 GMT
#2675
aw dammit. My crazy theory was wrong too. Bye Keir <333.

Vivax, quick summery. Why is Sent scum?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 06 2013 13:25 GMT
#2676
On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective?
I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 06 2013 13:25 GMT
#2677
EBWOP: so its basically a null tell really.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 13:25 GMT
#2678
On January 04 2013 20:56 Palmar wrote:
Not to mention Marv agreed with a terrible case by scumdam on townity.


So scumdam would be adam would be keirathi would be town. Townity would be me, who he has been setting up to call scum.
Plus I agreed with the thing adam/marv pointed out, anyway. My day 1 was less than spectacular and pointing it out = townie.

On January 04 2013 23:46 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 23:30 froggynoddy wrote:
Oh and I refuse to see the logs as having any bearing on alignent on either iamp or Palmar.

The fact that:

1. Iamp conveniently didnt have the logs with him
2. Hours later Palmar refused to show the logs claiming (perhaps rightfully) that this this would not help town... I think this is true Day 1 as his reads, though convincing, are still based on just one days activity and noobs like me will feel strongly motivated to work on his assumptions rather than think for themselves.
3. Palmar finally gives up, even though he wasnt hugely at risk of a lynch.

This, truly, is some more narrative construction and I am not saying that the logs were necessarily faked, just that I would rather base any judgment on his thread activity which honestly... baffles me so I cant really say one way or another.


I just posted the logs to become confirmedtown and to piss off marv.


This comment is just out of place. The fact that iamp masoned him does not make him confirmed town. He definitely put some effort into the masonchat but that's balanced by the fact that he was trolling in the game. Saying he's confirmed town is weird.

On January 04 2013 23:47 Palmar wrote:
it's a decent point Jackal but lynching bugs is so last game. lynching marv is where it's at.


???? This post is in reply to this:

On January 04 2013 23:46 Jackal58 wrote:
Yea Palmar is ignoring me. Much appreciated man.
WBG is scum. He hasn't called anybody a moron yet. Only time he doesn't call people he disagrees with a moron is when he's scum. Actually I haven't seen him really disagree with anybody yet. All he's done is tunnel Palmar. A pleasant tunneling WBG is a scummy WBG. He gets my vote.


Which is NOT a decent point, and guess what bugs flipped?

BUT NONE OF THAT IS WHY I OPENED PALMAR'S FILTER, I OPENED IT TO LOOK FOR A MENTION OF MEAPEK, WHERE THE FUCK IS IT? Doesn't goddamn exist.

Palmar scum

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 13:26 GMT
#2679
On January 06 2013 22:25 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective?
I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot.


Fine, they're less inclined, but if you cannot find a plausible scum perspective for his actions, you should not consider this null.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 13:29 GMT
#2680
Seriously, Clarity, take you big post hat off. You don't need a big ccase to see that Palmar is scum.

Palmar pushed three townies for lynch d1. Palmar is scum.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
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