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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 06 2013 06:54 GMT
#2641
Hey Keir

It's okay I have had a scum read on VE too

Fuck those vets
Writer@WriterYamato
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 06 2013 06:54 GMT
#2642
On January 06 2013 15:54 yamato77 wrote:
Hey Keir

It's okay I have had a scum read on VE too

Fuck those vets

So VE is town then?

Thanks!
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 06 2013 06:55 GMT
#2643
EBWOP:

Sorry, I might be a bit drunk. But I'm just joking around, don't take me seriously. <3
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 06 2013 06:56 GMT
#2644
I only let Marv make that joke because he and I had a conversation about it post game in YANMM

I'm not wrong EVERY time.
Writer@WriterYamato
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 06 2013 06:57 GMT
#2645
On January 06 2013 15:56 yamato77 wrote:
I only let Marv make that joke because he and I had a conversation about it post game in YANMM

I'm not wrong EVERY time.

I made the remark about it in YANMM obs QT well before you died
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 06 2013 07:03 GMT
#2646
Yeah I think I remember reading that

Anyway I'm going to go read through the end of day 1 where I was posting on my phone from work. I will find the scummy votes and lynch them on the morrow.
Writer@WriterYamato
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 06 2013 07:11 GMT
#2647
On January 06 2013 15:56 yamato77 wrote:
I only let Marv make that joke because he and I had a conversation about it post game in YANMM

I'm not wrong EVERY time.


It reminds me that kush is definitively town for wanting to lynch marv
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 06 2013 07:52 GMT
#2648
So two of the flipped town players, bugs and BC, have said Palmar is likely scum for what he's done so far this game.

Marv didn't say so but he wasn't really in a position to OMGUS the guy who was accusing him with a massive following.

Palmar might be a good lynch, especially if he decides to do nothing from here on out.

Scum to me in this situation would have flip flopped between the wagons of Marv and BC because either one was a good lynch.

VE did this with a bunch of shit posts talking with Marv. First he didn't opposed the Marv lynch, then he did, then he voted for BC with a weak ass justification.

People opposing either lynch look townie to me because of the reverse of that logic.

Keir, Prom, Bugs (deceased).

These are just my initial thoughts. VE is scummy though for sure.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 06 2013 08:41 GMT
#2649
Actually looking back at VE he has a lot of one liners I glazed over that show his gradual change in thought process.

My bad VE you're not that scummy.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 06 2013 09:01 GMT
#2650
Looking at the filters if the three dead townies, I would say Hopeless, Meapak and perhaps Palmar are all good targets.

I didn't like hopeless from the start so I can get behind that lynch.

MZ is a popular lynch idea for tomorrow already so that's good.

Palmar I have no idea how to tell if he's scum. There's plenty of evidence that he's not but I don't know to what lengths he would go to win as scum.
Writer@WriterYamato
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 06 2013 11:12 GMT
#2651
Keir and Iamp are 99% town at this point, which is good.

Keir and Iamp, I think both of you are likely dayvig targets given that nobody else claims anything. You should try to hand out your reads ASAP.

CC just looks more and more like a lazy townie to me I am not comfortable at all in lynching the guy, especially because his town meta is to be lazy.

On January 06 2013 09:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 09:32 Djodref wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:30 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:24 Djodref wrote:
With wbg dead and really cop, Jackal is confirmed scum right now.
I don't see mafia framing anyone with 3 cops (now 4) already in the cemetery...

I don't understand why mafia chose the 1 for 1 solution.
I also believe iamp when he says being protected and shoot, he was confirmed town after all.

Jackal was already confirmed mafia before, or at least pretty much. Everyone knew it's either Bugs or Jackal mafia the moment Bugs claimed. There's no reason to vote Bugs instead of Jackal so might as well shoot the confirmed townie and make Jackal a 99% confirmed mafia instead of just being 98% confirmed.

The problem with iamP is that I agree with you, he was pretty much confirmed town and I still think he's town.
That however leaves the question why mafia didn't opt to sac that KP for a dayvig as well.
But a town-vig shooting iamP makes 0 sense... why would a townie shoot him and on top of that not even claim prior to deadline.

So I guess it was mafia for some reason I don't understand yet?


Maybe mafia was afraid of being shot by vigs. The only downside I see for day vigs is that mafia players can be shot by town vigs before shooting themselves.

1) as already mentioned twice there's a nother downside: Mafia KP is untrackable, Day-vigs are kind of trackable due to rolecops. It's something that can not be faked or avoided unlike alignmentcops (framer / GF).

2) Dayvigs shoot on d2. Mafia KP was sacced on n1. So the n1 shots would have been earlier than the dayvigs. If they were afraid of dying they would not have sacced but shot on n1.
Initially I thought something along those lines, ie, we must be on the wrong track because otherwise scum wouldn't use Dayvigs, although I now think this is the wrong mentality. Scum only need to have 2 players that are not under heavy suspicion to deliver day vig shots.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 06 2013 11:16 GMT
#2652
I called the dayvig thing strong for mafia before the game and no one listened to me.

I guess everyone thought they had to type in the thread but that ability seemed really strong to me. They give up a KP the night before, which could be blocked, for an UNBLOCKABLE KP the next day to use at any time.

Super strong.
Writer@WriterYamato
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
January 06 2013 11:20 GMT
#2653
On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum.


Because he was in danger of recovering town from its Day 1 mess perhaps? Palmar was happy to lynch two non-scum and he would be discredited so I'm guessing scum are gonna kill people who are going to rally town. I seriously doubt this is WBG scumpowerplay, I don't see the point for scum to risk this but hey, as someone mentioned they could be bored I guess.

##Vote: Jackal58
'better still, a satisfied man'
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 06 2013 11:23 GMT
#2654
On January 06 2013 20:16 yamato77 wrote:
I called the dayvig thing strong for mafia before the game and no one listened to me.

I guess everyone thought they had to type in the thread but that ability seemed really strong to me. They give up a KP the night before, which could be blocked, for an UNBLOCKABLE KP the next day to use at any time.

Super strong.
Now is not the time for fear, that comes later.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 11:26 GMT
#2655
On January 06 2013 20:20 froggynoddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum.


Because he was in danger of recovering town from its Day 1 mess perhaps? Palmar was happy to lynch two non-scum and he would be discredited so I'm guessing scum are gonna kill people who are going to rally town. I seriously doubt this is WBG scumpowerplay, I don't see the point for scum to risk this but hey, as someone mentioned they could be bored I guess.

##Vote: Jackal58


I don't understand what you mean by the bolded.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
froggynoddy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom452 Posts
January 06 2013 11:31 GMT
#2656
On January 06 2013 20:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 20:20 froggynoddy wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum.


Because he was in danger of recovering town from its Day 1 mess perhaps? Palmar was happy to lynch two non-scum and he would be discredited so I'm guessing scum are gonna kill people who are going to rally town. I seriously doubt this is WBG scumpowerplay, I don't see the point for scum to risk this but hey, as someone mentioned they could be bored I guess.

##Vote: Jackal58


I don't understand what you mean by the bolded.


Ah crap, just got up, forgot that he already flipped blue *facepalm*. Ignore me.

'better still, a satisfied man'
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 11:47 GMT
#2657
okay, I'm here and finally getting a chance to read this game I'm in. Anyone have anything I should look at in particular?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22091 Posts
January 06 2013 11:55 GMT
#2658
Yeah, you can analyse the time before the wagons switched from marv to BC knowing that they both were town now, and that Jackal is scum.

That's what I'm doing atm.

Srew this setup, trading KP 1:1 for dayvigs is OP.
I'm glad to see that iamp got saved though (= .
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 06 2013 12:00 GMT
#2659
Back to tunneling Hopeless : )

I'm actually going to concede my argument with that Hopeless meta play is making him scum. It doesn't actually. While he isn't really playing like town he isn't playing like scum either. So it's quite a null tell imo. Maybe a slight town tell even.

Hopeless, you said yourself that I shouldn't just watch TLVII Mafia because you were way more active then. You instead say I should watch Chrono trigger. CT is a completely diferent game than TLVII (which is much more similar to this game). But I must say I can see the similarities between CT and this game. Tho it's entirely possible that you are saying this just to justify your scum play.

With that being said, Hopeless is still scum : )
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 12:30 GMT
#2660
On January 06 2013 21:00 Lazermonkey wrote:
Back to tunneling Hopeless : )

I'm actually going to concede my argument with that Hopeless meta play is making him scum. It doesn't actually. While he isn't really playing like town he isn't playing like scum either. So it's quite a null tell imo. Maybe a slight town tell even.

Hopeless, you said yourself that I shouldn't just watch TLVII Mafia because you were way more active then. You instead say I should watch Chrono trigger. CT is a completely diferent game than TLVII (which is much more similar to this game). But I must say I can see the similarities between CT and this game. Tho it's entirely possible that you are saying this just to justify your scum play.

With that being said, Hopeless is still scum : )


You basically just said that his meta doesn't make him scum because it can be similar to his town play, but your argument for him being scum is directly tied to his meta.
I'm not saying he can't be scum, he definitely could be, but you're not going to convince people by repeating the fact that "he hasn't scumhunted" is your only argument, which can be explained away by meta.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
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