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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
January 06 2013 00:37 GMT
#2601
Cheesecake still has not delivered anything correct? So we lynch him after this.

##Vote Jackal
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
January 06 2013 00:38 GMT
#2602
On January 06 2013 09:34 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 09:32 Djodref wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:30 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:24 Djodref wrote:
With wbg dead and really cop, Jackal is confirmed scum right now.
I don't see mafia framing anyone with 3 cops (now 4) already in the cemetery...

I don't understand why mafia chose the 1 for 1 solution.
I also believe iamp when he says being protected and shoot, he was confirmed town after all.

Jackal was already confirmed mafia before, or at least pretty much. Everyone knew it's either Bugs or Jackal mafia the moment Bugs claimed. There's no reason to vote Bugs instead of Jackal so might as well shoot the confirmed townie and make Jackal a 99% confirmed mafia instead of just being 98% confirmed.

The problem with iamP is that I agree with you, he was pretty much confirmed town and I still think he's town.
That however leaves the question why mafia didn't opt to sac that KP for a dayvig as well.
But a town-vig shooting iamP makes 0 sense... why would a townie shoot him and on top of that not even claim prior to deadline.

So I guess it was mafia for some reason I don't understand yet?


Maybe mafia was afraid of being shot by vigs. The only downside I see for day vigs is that mafia players can be shot by town vigs before shooting themselves.

1) as already mentioned twice there's a nother downside: Mafia KP is untrackable, Day-vigs are kind of trackable due to rolecops. It's something that can not be faked or avoided unlike alignmentcops (framer / GF).

2) Dayvigs shoot on d2. Mafia KP was sacced on n1. So the n1 shots would have been earlier than the dayvigs. If they were afraid of dying they would not have sacced but shot on n1.


1)Yes, I agree with that.

2)Maybe Jackal was afraid of being shot. He was pretty lurky and useless after all. Maybe the other mafia members were also afraid to be shot so they decided to shoot iamp on N1. It's the only reasonable thing I'm thinking right now. But maybe I'm missing something.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 06 2013 00:41 GMT
#2603
I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum.
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HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
January 06 2013 00:42 GMT
#2604
Yes because people would obviously be inclined to think that Jackal is town after how he's played so far....
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
January 06 2013 00:42 GMT
#2605
On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum.

i dont understand the point of this post. WBG was obviously day vigged by mafia what are you even trying to suggest?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 06 2013 00:42 GMT
#2606
On January 06 2013 09:38 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 09:34 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:32 Djodref wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:30 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:24 Djodref wrote:
With wbg dead and really cop, Jackal is confirmed scum right now.
I don't see mafia framing anyone with 3 cops (now 4) already in the cemetery...

I don't understand why mafia chose the 1 for 1 solution.
I also believe iamp when he says being protected and shoot, he was confirmed town after all.

Jackal was already confirmed mafia before, or at least pretty much. Everyone knew it's either Bugs or Jackal mafia the moment Bugs claimed. There's no reason to vote Bugs instead of Jackal so might as well shoot the confirmed townie and make Jackal a 99% confirmed mafia instead of just being 98% confirmed.

The problem with iamP is that I agree with you, he was pretty much confirmed town and I still think he's town.
That however leaves the question why mafia didn't opt to sac that KP for a dayvig as well.
But a town-vig shooting iamP makes 0 sense... why would a townie shoot him and on top of that not even claim prior to deadline.

So I guess it was mafia for some reason I don't understand yet?


Maybe mafia was afraid of being shot by vigs. The only downside I see for day vigs is that mafia players can be shot by town vigs before shooting themselves.

1) as already mentioned twice there's a nother downside: Mafia KP is untrackable, Day-vigs are kind of trackable due to rolecops. It's something that can not be faked or avoided unlike alignmentcops (framer / GF).

2) Dayvigs shoot on d2. Mafia KP was sacced on n1. So the n1 shots would have been earlier than the dayvigs. If they were afraid of dying they would not have sacced but shot on n1.


1)Yes, I agree with that.

2)Maybe Jackal was afraid of being shot. He was pretty lurky and useless after all. Maybe the other mafia members were also afraid to be shot so they decided to shoot iamp on N1. It's the only reasonable thing I'm thinking right now. But maybe I'm missing something.

about 2) oh got it, somehow thought about it the other way around. That could make sense. There's plenty of mafia left but maybe they just didn't want to take the gamble on loosing one of their day-vigs. I mean they could have avoided giving it to Jackal but it's somewhat risky.
On January 06 2013 09:36 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 09:30 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:24 Djodref wrote:
With wbg dead and really cop, Jackal is confirmed scum right now.
I don't see mafia framing anyone with 3 cops (now 4) already in the cemetery...

I don't understand why mafia chose the 1 for 1 solution.
I also believe iamp when he says being protected and shoot, he was confirmed town after all.

Jackal was already confirmed mafia before, or at least pretty much. Everyone knew it's either Bugs or Jackal mafia the moment Bugs claimed. There's no reason to vote Bugs instead of Jackal so might as well shoot the confirmed townie and make Jackal a 99% confirmed mafia instead of just being 98% confirmed.

The problem with iamP is that I agree with you, he was pretty much confirmed town and I still think he's town.
That however leaves the question why mafia didn't opt to sac that KP for a dayvig as well.
But a town-vig shooting iamP makes 0 sense... why would a townie shoot him and on top of that not even claim prior to deadline.

So I guess it was mafia for some reason I don't understand yet?

im a shining beacon of townieness thats why i'm gonna guess they wanted me dead.

well the question wasn't why they shot you but rather why they opted for a night hit instead of an unblockable day-hit on you.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 06 2013 00:42 GMT
#2607
On January 06 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:
By the way, I'm way behind, but if keirathi claimed the shot on tube he's very likely town.

Lets ignore the shot on me, and you give an opinion on me other than that?

I replaced in for Adam well before the end of the day yesterday (I was pushing AGAINST the marv lynch that you were pushing so hard for). And then during the night you said you wanted Adam to be our lynch for today.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 06 2013 00:43 GMT
#2608
On January 06 2013 09:42 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:
By the way, I'm way behind, but if keirathi claimed the shot on tube he's very likely town.

Lets ignore the shot on me, and you give an opinion on me other than that?

I replaced in for Adam well before the end of the day yesterday (I was pushing AGAINST the marv lynch that you were pushing so hard for). And then during the night you said you wanted Adam to be our lynch for today.

EBWOP: I mean, 'Lets ignore my shot on Tube'
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 06 2013 00:45 GMT
#2609
On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum.

There is NO way you lynch into the cop before lynching into the checked guy unless you got some pretty damn good reason to do so. We're talking about Jackal... You think people would have doubted WBG because of Jackals massive towncred and lynched WBG instead?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 06 2013 00:46 GMT
#2610
On January 06 2013 09:42 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:
By the way, I'm way behind, but if keirathi claimed the shot on tube he's very likely town.

Lets ignore the shot on me, and you give an opinion on me other than that?

I replaced in for Adam well before the end of the day yesterday (I was pushing AGAINST the marv lynch that you were pushing so hard for). And then during the night you said you wanted Adam to be our lynch for today.


I forgot you replaced, someone correctly pointed that out. I don't quite associate your posts with Adam's as of now as I haven't read it through.

Adam looked very bad with his one shitty mud-slinging multi-target post. I haven' read your contributions at all though. I don't see any reason to doubt your claim to the shot and it's exactly what Vigilantes are meant to be doing, it's a good shot.

So I don't intend to use my time to worry too much about your alignment, which is nice.
Computer says mafia
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
January 06 2013 00:48 GMT
#2611
On January 06 2013 09:46 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 09:42 Keirathi wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:
By the way, I'm way behind, but if keirathi claimed the shot on tube he's very likely town.

Lets ignore the shot on me, and you give an opinion on me other than that?

I replaced in for Adam well before the end of the day yesterday (I was pushing AGAINST the marv lynch that you were pushing so hard for). And then during the night you said you wanted Adam to be our lynch for today.


I forgot you replaced, someone correctly pointed that out. I don't quite associate your posts with Adam's as of now as I haven't read it through.

Adam looked very bad with his one shitty mud-slinging multi-target post. I haven' read your contributions at all though. I don't see any reason to doubt your claim to the shot and it's exactly what Vigilantes are meant to be doing, it's a good shot.

So I don't intend to use my time to worry too much about your alignment, which is nice.

Yes, but I very much need to worry about yours. You were very, very wrong about marv and very stubborn that you were right. I can't help but be reminded of Rock Band.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 06 2013 00:49 GMT
#2612
Also, we have some downtime really now. Scum can just pick whoever they want to dayvig down and do it at any point. But Jackal will be lynched today so not much new information can be gained from today, which is why we have to look back to day 1 in order to figure anything out.

I still think MZ could very well be scum, so could VE. For some reason all of thrawn's contributions are flying under the radar, maybe my initial read of him was wrong.

I'm kinda worried about clarity.

Actually never mind it I'll just post a pretty detailed updated list of reads based on however much time I will have tomorrow.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 06 2013 00:52 GMT
#2613
On January 06 2013 09:48 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 09:46 Palmar wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:42 Keirathi wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:36 Palmar wrote:
By the way, I'm way behind, but if keirathi claimed the shot on tube he's very likely town.

Lets ignore the shot on me, and you give an opinion on me other than that?

I replaced in for Adam well before the end of the day yesterday (I was pushing AGAINST the marv lynch that you were pushing so hard for). And then during the night you said you wanted Adam to be our lynch for today.


I forgot you replaced, someone correctly pointed that out. I don't quite associate your posts with Adam's as of now as I haven't read it through.

Adam looked very bad with his one shitty mud-slinging multi-target post. I haven' read your contributions at all though. I don't see any reason to doubt your claim to the shot and it's exactly what Vigilantes are meant to be doing, it's a good shot.

So I don't intend to use my time to worry too much about your alignment, which is nice.

Yes, but I very much need to worry about yours. You were very, very wrong about marv and very stubborn that you were right. I can't help but be reminded of Rock Band.


I'm not too worried about you worrying about mine. I don't need to prove I'm innocent for another what... 72 hours? Jackal is getting owned today. It actually kinda suits me well that some townies suspect I'm mafia, makes it less likely I will be shot before I can make sense of this mess.

And yeah day 1 is on me, I honestly thought marv was scum, but I'd like to think there is a very easy to spot difference in my approach to the marv lynch this game and in rockband.

If not, I'm better at playing scum than I thought ^^
Computer says mafia
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 06 2013 01:01 GMT
#2614
Well my reads are shit.

I'm just going to look at day 1 voting and go from there.
Writer@WriterYamato
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 06 2013 01:08 GMT
#2615
Lazer you must be just livid.
##Unvote: wherebugsgo
##Vote: MZ (thread-only)
##Vote: Jackal58 (vote thread)
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
January 06 2013 01:15 GMT
#2616
On January 06 2013 09:45 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum.

There is NO way you lynch into the cop before lynching into the checked guy unless you got some pretty damn good reason to do so. We're talking about Jackal... You think people would have doubted WBG because of Jackals massive towncred and lynched WBG instead?


Yes but you're missing the point. Even if there is 0.0001% chance we would lynch WBG it would be better than 0% if WBG is confirmed cop by death.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
January 06 2013 01:17 GMT
#2617
On January 06 2013 10:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 09:45 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum.

There is NO way you lynch into the cop before lynching into the checked guy unless you got some pretty damn good reason to do so. We're talking about Jackal... You think people would have doubted WBG because of Jackals massive towncred and lynched WBG instead?


Yes but you're missing the point. Even if there is 0.0001% chance we would lynch WBG it would be better than 0% if WBG is confirmed cop by death.

Not really this cycle will no be pretty much wasted despite our best efforts so i can see why the scum did it. With jackal now confirmed dead everyone can vote for him including the mafia and they dont have to contribute that much to this cycle.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 06 2013 01:19 GMT
#2618
On January 06 2013 10:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 09:45 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum.

There is NO way you lynch into the cop before lynching into the checked guy unless you got some pretty damn good reason to do so. We're talking about Jackal... You think people would have doubted WBG because of Jackals massive towncred and lynched WBG instead?


Yes but you're missing the point. Even if there is 0.0001% chance we would lynch WBG it would be better than 0% if WBG is confirmed cop by death.

having a 99% confirmed townie around to discuss with is pretty nice I heard. That's kind of the reason mafia shoot good looking people to begin with... so that they can't run around looking confirmed explaining their thoughts EVERYONE knows to be their thoughts and not some mafia bullshit.
Though, wbg probably didn't think he'd die so quick himself or he would have posted some thoughts...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
January 06 2013 03:13 GMT
#2619
On January 06 2013 07:11 Toadesstern wrote:
I really thought you have to sac the KP preemptively..

As in:
-> Mafia shoots 3 guys n1,
-> Mafia sacs 3KP on d2
-> Mafia shoots 3 guys on d2
-> Mafia shoots 0 guys during n2 because they sacced all their KP for the day.

The way it is now they can basicly hold back 3KP and shoot 6 guys


I was thinking the same thing. Good work on trying to figure out the Academy's rules. It seems we have yet to undercover all of the rules yet. We keep on finding surprises that are literally killing us.

On January 06 2013 08:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because marv quit and the only people left are people who are fucking dicks to me and I don't wanna play anymore.

Because you're saying I'm more suspicious than people who have NOTHING in this thread

Because so many people aren't even posting that this game is not only impossible, but not fun to boot.


Why would I post in a game without any rules? The faculty just want us all to die.

Btw, I told you guys I had a bad feeling about killing tube. He was a true brown follower. All the rest died like all blues should.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
January 06 2013 03:22 GMT
#2620
Just in case you guys don't understand my message.

On January 04 2013 23:11 Chezinu wrote:
Oh wow, I'm shock. You guys are so amazing. I put like no effort in trying to be understood by people, yet you guys still understand me. I thought it was just BC that understood me. Now, Palmar... I am also surprised that you, Palmar, are focusing on similar suspects as me. Maybe this telepathy things isn't totally nonsense... or rather the mafia are being read too easily. I was suspecting marv of being mafia earlier. Remember that 3 name list. The first two names represented the arguments between y-man and thraw. As BC correctly deciphered, I am suspicious of thraw as imaperfection correctly mentions in the log due to the Chezinu Rule. I included marv on the list because I was suspicious of him. Yet, I didn't want to be bias. As most people like to assume marv is typically town. I think I'm bias in wanting to assume he is scum. I wanted to give time for this. If you are wondering why I'm not taking in code, it is because most of my hidden thoughts were seen through. PS: How did you know I thought you were town Palmar? I don't remember typing that... but then again, I just type my thoughts randomly. I also like you Palmar cause you don't read the OP either! I haven't read it yet this game. wait... it seems the tradition of talking about the setup has died. I never participated in it, but that is usually when I spent my time reading the rules. Because talking about seemed lamed, unless of course you fake claim and act all chezinu... hehe. Your usual policy lynch surprisingly obtained alot of attention this game. It seems like I'm playing on two different levels this game. One level with fun and humor with reading the vet like you and BC. And the other... wait actually I'm not catering at all to the new players.. I wonder if they even understand me.. lol! Now, I will have to hide some more messages and see if you guys can rise to the challenge. Oh! I will play my usual redherrings along the way to make my posts appear as trash. But you should know by now which ones are real and which are not. Btw, I'm speaking English! I'm not Encrypting anything! right? Assuming there is a rule against that...hmmm I guess I'll read the rules now! I will provide a hint to the new guys about knowing which posts are real. Usually the ones that are one sentence jokes or the ones that come in pairs of threes are nonsense.. How one comes in pairs of three... that is the riddle you must solve perhaps I used the word pair just for fun and it just means three... Cause that would just imply that I'm simply bored and just posting random posts for attention so that I have someone to talk to cause its late at night and I live in darkness with little to no contact... or rather I was just bored and wanted something to talk about to simulate the mind. Perhaps it is my Chezinu way of letting everyone in the thread know that I have read the thread without actually having or wanting so say anything of importance. Its like I'm there saying I'm am here willing to troll with you or answer your questions as long as I like them. so, good luck reading me. As you guys have been very impressive this game, I'm sure you can figure it out. [image loading]


On January 03 2013 16:50 Chezinu wrote:
If anyone needs help with their upcoming tests and trials, let me know. Remember, it is not against academic misconduct if you study the old exam. Some of you new students may be unaware of this Academy's rules. Be sure to read your code of ethics manual if you are unsure of any situation. If you want to go above any beyond. I suggest following the Brown Code.


Crtl+F "rules"

Do you understand me?+ Show Spoiler +
On October 13 2012 02:42 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2012 02:29 Kurumi wrote:
but hydras aren't allowed


that's why you should make proper OPs.

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