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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
come on ve and clarity you both wanted to | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 06 2013 08:36 iamperfection wrote: Im from my phone but if you guys need something to discuss. I was shoot and saved last night. pretty intresting I guess. Back later but still always watching. that is indeed interesting. So we're only expecting 2 day vigs I guess? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Do you have any breadcrumbs ? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 06 2013 08:47 Djodref wrote: @ wbg Do you have any breadcrumbs ? no, I don't breadcrumb unless I'm scum, cause breadcrumbing is a good way to get shot. | ||
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Djodref
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wherebugsgo
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 06 2013 08:47 Djodref wrote: @ wbg Do you have any breadcrumbs ? why's everyone asking for breadcrumbs on d1 for cops lol Again, you don't breadcrumb your role, you breadcrumb your checks as cop so that people figure that out once you're dead, There's no reason to breadcrumb your role, it's actually bad because mafia might figure it out... Even if he did breadcrumb that proves nothing or do you honestly think Mafia-WBG would be not smart enough to prepare a breadcrumb ahead of time? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 06 2013 08:49 Toadesstern wrote: why's everyone asking for breadcrumbs on d1 for cops lol Again, you don't breadcrumb your role, you breadcrumb your checks as cop so that people figure that out once you're dead, There's no reason to breadcrumb your role, it's actually bad because mafia might figure it out... Even if he did breadcrumb that proves nothing or do you honestly think Mafia-WBG would be not smart enough to prepare a breadcrumb ahead of time? I was cop in my first game and I did breadcrumb my role. It's just my own experience. I have also hinted very obsviously that I was blue in that game ^^ | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
However, there's no reason at all to do anything but simply claim my check, since I am a one-shot use cop. I'm glad to take a bullet from scum, given that a 1 for 1 trade is incredibly beneficial for us. As Toad mentioned, the chance that there was a framer in the game last night is incredibly low, given that 3 cops flipped. Why would scum use a frame after that? | ||
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iamperfection
United States9635 Posts
Kind of wish you waited a little to do this bugs but whatever. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 06 2013 08:51 wherebugsgo wrote: yep, I would have breadcrumbed my check if I was a full-fledged cop. That would have been later today. However, there's no reason at all to do anything but simply claim my check, since I am a one-shot use cop. I'm glad to take a bullet from scum, given that a 1 for 1 trade is incredibly beneficial for us. As Toad mentioned, the chance that there was a framer in the game last night is incredibly low, given that 3 cops flipped. Why would scum use a frame after that? thanks, that comming from you makes me happy :3 Now I'm paranoid but there's no way not to vote Jackal I guess. It makes sense after all. With BC being town, Marv being town the most likely scenario is that mafia was sitting in their IRC / QT / Whatever laughing at us, not doing a thing and watching us destroy us ourselves without changing the fate of things by getting active themelves. But that's somewhat wifom if you consider it unreasonable. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Start thinking for yourselves. Hopefully if you do that, you'll realize why I checked Jackal, why I am pushing hopeless and meapak, and why I defended both marv and BC. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 06 2013 08:52 iamperfection wrote: yeah i just checked jackals filter which took about 15 seconds he can die. Kind of wish you waited a little to do this bugs but whatever. I second this post. ##Vote jackal | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
##Vote: Jackal | ||
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wherebugsgo
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Ahoy! So Wherebugsgo triumphed over his findings with dear uni-mates, there was some champagne, crackers and even butter. Of course, you can't party forever. Nature called wherebugsgo himself and he went to the place where even kings go on foot. Too bad wherebugsgo isn't a toddler, because he never came back from the bathroom. He did manage to take a leak though before dying, so no wet pants. Besides blood. It was everywhere. + Show Spoiler + Wherebugsgo the Robin (One-time Alignment Cop) is dead. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
* I want to know why you felt the need to claim your shot keirathi. it doesn't make sense to me. * Also a lot of people like you VE. just bad people like me <3 * About your scumread on folishness though: it confuses me. The game is super long so he is acting exactly.how I would expect him to act. He's not reading so what else would you expect from him? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I originally sent in my shot on him, instead of tube. Marv hadn't flipped yet, and as a Vengeful Vig, I could only shoot people who were voting on confirmed town lynches. But I went back and did some meta diving on Hopeless, and I'm not quite as sure that he is scum as I was when WBG made the case originally. I think bugs missed a key part of scum Hopeless's mindset compared to his town mindset. For instance (These are from scum games): + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 03:20 Hopeless1der wrote: Okay, ignoring the possibility of two mason pairs: I could actually quote every single one of Muso's posts to help make my point... - He "lied" about his game history + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote: Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller. I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it. Sorry if I'm bad :S - He "lied" about reading the game setup + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2012 13:25 Muso wrote: Oh sorry guys I didn't know there was a difference between Mason and Miller. I know I said I'd played hundreds of mafia games before but I actually lied just to get in to the game. This is my first one, but I watched a few youtube videos so I thin I get it. Sorry if I'm bad :S On November 01 2012 13:41 Muso wrote: I am a mason, I didn't know there was a miller too Are the lies because he's new and quite frankly, stupid? Or because his fake-claim was TERRIBLE and he's banking on the pity card to save him somehow? ##Vote: Muso Acro has provided an encrypted 'claim post' and I don't see the benefit to a 1-1 trade if Acro was scum. This situation makes way more sense if Acro is telling the truth. Technically, 2 mason pairs is possible, but quite frankly I think we're going to be lynching Muso regardless now, even if a "partner" claims. His filter is just too wrong for me to be willing to let him live. Here is what I would suggest: Muso, if you are in fact a mason, write a last will for your partner to use to confirm themselves. Muso's Partner - Unless you think you can save him, do not claim until after the 1hr resolution period starts at the end of the night phase. There is no good reason to out yourself before that time (unless you can save him). Could someone comment on that suggestion, and perhaps if they would even believe someone claiming to be Muso's mason-partner? I really don't think revealing the other halves is a good idea right now. On November 03 2012 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote: Review the spoiler. Information is deliberately missing. I don't know how "hard" it would be for scum to come up with a VT name. + Show Spoiler + On November 02 2012 03:36 Hopeless1der wrote: And then I turn around and say SCUMBUDDY!! And then we argue, probably lynch muso anyways. Do you not see that as a potential outcome? I see that as the more likely outcome at this point. If a mason flips, is their partner revealed? Also, unanswered questions: ...He creating "proof" that he is a mason. If he dies, his partner decrypts the message, becomes confirmed town. There are games that explicitly do not allow it, this one made no distinction. Do you think it makes Acro scummy? On November 02 2012 04:47 HiroPro wrote: Millers flip miller on death. If a mason dies, their partner is not revealed. He's doing things that are apparently 'allowed' as far as mod rules go. That said, I don't think kush is being particularly helpful, but its not scummy to me. This is kush legitimately trying to contribute and reason out whether or not the lynch candidate is who he says he is (i.e. is Muso really VT). He only ever claimed NOT Mason. Granted, green text, but that's inconclusive. However, the reason I think your theory is bad is that I think scum have fakeclaims. My question never got answered and I think it's clear that Hiro was replying to the posts I quoted. Promethelax hasn't checked in yet, but even if it was still prplhz in the game I'd rather lynch Muso. I find his noob act highly incriminating. He knew what he was doing when he fakeclaimed and tried to weasel his way out by playing stupid at first. When that didn't work, he tries to pass it off as a gambit to lure scum NK fire. He keeps putting up more smoke and mirrors every time his last plan didn't work. I'm not comfortable leaving that kind of player around. I'm leaving my vote as it is. On November 03 2012 06:32 Hopeless1der wrote: Muso never came back when I questioned this, and I found this last post of his really scummy: If it was 3AM at time of post, its around 8AM now. He might be back before the deadline but I won't hold my breath. He's already said he probably wont make it. That's not scummy, thats needing sleep. The scummy part is where he says me continuing to push his lynch is scummy and that it makes the case on promethelax look stronger. This suggests we're both scum. However, if Prom flips town, we should interrogate me. So I'm scum no matter what, basically because I still want to lynch his lying ass. Now compare that to his votes/pressure this game: + Show Spoiler + On January 05 2013 00:37 Hopeless1der wrote: For justice then, ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake On January 05 2013 04:08 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: tube On January 05 2013 04:16 Hopeless1der wrote:  No, I don't have a townread on marv, but I don't want to lynch him either, so back I go ##Unvote: tube ##Vote: Mr. Cheesecake On January 05 2013 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote: I thought you said we needed to stop spamming. And yes, I do that regardless of alignment. Could you expand a bit on me taking random lynching too seriously? @Marv: Right up until he voted Palmar, I wouldn't have looked twice. He seemed to have been keeping up with the thread and somewhat cared, especially his prodding at yamato for example + Show Spoiler + On January 04 2013 02:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ive never played a game with you to my knowledge so why is my vouching enough to dissuade you? but his vote against Palmar looks really forced and then he disappears. He's certainly scummier than you are right now, and no one is biting on CC ##Unvote: Mr. Cheesecake ##Vote: BloodyC0bbler Scum Hopeless is much more decisive and pushy. Town Hopeless, in my experience, is wishy-washy, non-committal, and sheepy. I think this actually feels more like town Hopeless. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
Anyways ##Vote Jackal58 | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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