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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 06 2013 13:30 GMT
#2681
On January 06 2013 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 22:25 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective?
I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot.


Fine, they're less inclined, but if you cannot find a plausible scum perspective for his actions, you should not consider this null.
Obviously, as town are more inclined to vote swap it does make sense for scum to vote swap to look like they are town.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 13:31 GMT
#2682
On January 06 2013 22:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 06 2013 22:25 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective?
I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot.


Fine, they're less inclined, but if you cannot find a plausible scum perspective for his actions, you should not consider this null.
Obviously, as town are more inclined to vote swap it does make sense for scum to vote swap to look like they are town.


See Risen.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 13:33 GMT
#2683
On January 06 2013 22:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 06 2013 22:25 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective?
I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot.


Fine, they're less inclined, but if you cannot find a plausible scum perspective for his actions, you should not consider this null.
Obviously, as town are more inclined to vote swap it does make sense for scum to vote swap to look like they are town.


This argument implies hopeless plays a really strong game, which you have shown he has not.

Prome: Yeah he's scum, but it wasn't obvious to me even after bc and marv flips. Please realize you haven't even read the damn game yet. Maybe simplifying it like that is good but I'm at a point in the game where stuff has baggage
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 06 2013 13:37 GMT
#2684
On January 06 2013 22:33 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 22:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 06 2013 22:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
On January 06 2013 22:25 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 06 2013 22:07 Clarity_nl wrote:
Lazer what do you make of Hopeless quad-votehop near d1 lynchtime from a scum perspective?
I guess scum are less inclined to vote swap close to deadline, that however, doesn't make someone town just because he vote swapped alot.


Fine, they're less inclined, but if you cannot find a plausible scum perspective for his actions, you should not consider this null.
Obviously, as town are more inclined to vote swap it does make sense for scum to vote swap to look like they are town.


This argument implies hopeless plays a really strong game, which you have shown he has not.

Prome: Yeah he's scum, but it wasn't obvious to me even after bc and marv flips. Please realize you haven't even read the damn game yet. Maybe simplifying it like that is good but I'm at a point in the game where stuff has baggage
Well, I don't agree with this but w/e.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 13:38 GMT
#2685
Right. Did you read YAN? Stutters had baggage too.

Seriously though, you just came out of Hero where Palmar explained how to find scum Palmar. It is very simple: when Palmar hits green instead of red Palmar is scum.

Who got the check on Jackal that makes him confirmed scum? I assume WBG from the flips but some confirmation would be cool.

Can you give me a two second claim run down? I know Keir said he shot tube and Imp mason'd Palmar. Besides that I am in the dark.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 06 2013 13:39 GMT
#2686
Also, regarding Palmar. I'm not super familiar with his play but is he really so good as town that if he pushes 3 townies he is auto scum? Could he not just have been wrong?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 06 2013 13:40 GMT
#2687
Yhea, it was WBG Prom. You kinda ninja answered me as well Lol.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 13:41 GMT
#2688
wbg got the red check on jackal and got shot like 2 minutes later.
I think Palmar clamed Jaedong named vt in mason chat.

I don't recall any other real claims. I would prefer it if you just took an hour or two and read the full game and then came back, though, prom.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 13:47 GMT
#2689
dude, it is 10 am. I've been awake all night at work. I'm doing what I can.

Interestingly Chez thinks Palmar is 3p and not scum. I hadn't thought about it that much but I could see that being the case too. He says so in this popst. Either way Palmar is anti town.

Did someone say Imp was saved from a shot today? Can you explain what that means?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22029 Posts
January 06 2013 13:48 GMT
#2690
What the fuck Keirathi, gg

Townie things I see about sentinel are him digging up a game where he realizes that he wasn't talking about marv, it's improbable for scum to doublecheck their statements and then even admit they were wrong about something unless it's going to give them potential trouble.
He's also pretty honest about the reads he doesn't deliver. He says it's sponsored by lithium carbonate, maybe he wants to tell us he suffers from some disorder.


He's not a hot candidate for me right now, but he has made scummy decisions during the marv vs. BC phase. That caught my attention. There are still enough points out to reconsider it.

I don't agree with some of claritys reasons for finding him scummy initially, and I don't agree with him being town cause he was assuming scum wouldn't shoot bugs. It's easy to make such posts when you know what's going to happen, it's essentially WIFOM. I prefer looking for general attitude and motivations.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 13:49 GMT
#2691
He claimed to get shot and saved, so I'm guessing medic. It means scum have no more dayvig's left unless iamp lied or town shot iamp.

I'm not trying to criticize the fact that you're not up to speed yet, but you have to realize that asking all these questions when the info is in the thread is quite tedious, since you can't really do anything with the information. I guess you carry it with you as you read the thread with fresh eyes.... dunno
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22029 Posts
January 06 2013 13:49 GMT
#2692
On January 06 2013 22:15 Promethelax wrote:
aw dammit. My crazy theory was wrong too. Bye Keir <333.

Vivax, quick summery. Why is Sent scum?


It was a response to this btw.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 13:51 GMT
#2693
On January 06 2013 22:48 Vivax wrote:
What the fuck Keirathi, gg

Townie things I see about sentinel are him digging up a game where he realizes that he wasn't talking about marv, it's improbable for scum to doublecheck their statements and then even admit they were wrong about something unless it's going to give them potential trouble.
He's also pretty honest about the reads he doesn't deliver. He says it's sponsored by lithium carbonate, maybe he wants to tell us he suffers from some disorder.


He's not a hot candidate for me right now, but he has made scummy decisions during the marv vs. BC phase. That caught my attention. There are still enough points out to reconsider it.

I don't agree with some of claritys reasons for finding him scummy initially, and I don't agree with him being town cause he was assuming scum wouldn't shoot bugs. It's easy to make such posts when you know what's going to happen, it's essentially WIFOM. I prefer looking for general attitude and motivations.


Fucking hell dude do you read anything properly. You didn't understand my case on him as you demonstrated last post, and I never said he's town because he was assuming scum wouldn't shoot bugs, it's the fact that he thought there were 3 shots total when in fact as scum he would know they shot iamp in the night.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
January 06 2013 13:56 GMT
#2694
Lithium Carbonate is used to treat bi-polar disorder.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22029 Posts
January 06 2013 13:57 GMT
#2695
I have to admit your posts are hard to follow . You didn't write your reasoning for thinking he's town in the posts concerned, you actually just said he made a mistake, you should be a bit more concise about that.

But upon double-checking I just saw you made a bigger mistake, since iamp actually claimed before Sentinel wrote that.
Here, I'm referencing:

On January 06 2013 08:36 iamperfection wrote:
Im from my phone but if you guys need something to discuss.

I was shoot and saved last night.

pretty intresting I guess.

Back later but still always watching.


On January 06 2013 13:58 Clarity_nl wrote:
*snip*
With this in mind:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 09:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't get what mafia would stand to gain by shooting WBG today instead of shooting 3 others and taking care of him at night. He had a one-time power, and this way there would be questioning if WBG is really the cop or if he is scum.


I find it hard to see mafia either making this mistake by accident, or making it on purpose to seem like town. Therefore Sentinel is town. Despite my case on him I quite liked his defense, in combination with this it clears him in my book.

MZ is an obvious target for everyone but there has been no resistance to it, much like the marv and bc lynches, so it's putting me a little on edge and I'll be spending today trying to find alternatives (although I generally do this anyway even when happy with the main lynch target)


As you see, Sentinel wrote that after iamp claimed it. So, why do you think Sentinel is town again?

Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7448 Posts
January 06 2013 13:58 GMT
#2696
The Brown Brotherhood strikes again. Well done. Tube's death was not in vain. He helped us catch yet another blue.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 14:05 GMT
#2697
I find it hard to see mafia either making this mistake by accident, or making it on purpose to seem like town. Therefore Sentinel is town. Despite my case on him I quite liked his defense, in combination with this it clears him in my book.


It even explains that I can't see him do it on purpose as scum, what does the order matter?
It makes more sense for him to make this mistake as town even after iamp claimed to get shot.

Now go away Vivax, seriously.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
January 06 2013 14:06 GMT
#2698
On January 06 2013 22:58 Chezinu wrote:
The Brown Brotherhood strikes again. Well done. Tube's death was not in vain. He helped us catch yet another blue.


What?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22029 Posts
January 06 2013 14:08 GMT
#2699
That's terrible logic. You're assuming scum wouldn't do mistakes. That is pure WIFOM.

Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22029 Posts
January 06 2013 14:09 GMT
#2700
Not even WIFOM, that's assuming mafia players would always play optimally by your standards.
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