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Would you post the PM? omit names as needed.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Sure. There isn't really anything that I haven't already said, but here you go:
Hi there,
I've been looking through the clues and I think I've stumbled upon something that everyone has missed.
Take a look at this clue:
"Somewhere deep in the town, bumatlarge was sitting alone at a bar at midnight. He wasn't alone, there was another man sitting in the corner. The man stared at bum, making him nervous and jittery. As he started pounding down more drinks the man approached him. He was thin and gaunt, he appeared to be a scholar of some sort. The man finally spoke"
If you look at Aeres's profile it says:
"I really love to read. I'll read pretty much anything that I find interesting, and that's a lot of shit. World War II historical accounts, War and Peace, Dante's Inferno, anything by W.E.B. Griffin/Steve Berry, Stel Pavlou's "Decipher", astronomy textbooks, "Uncle John's Bathroom Reader" series... you name it, I'll probably read it."
You mentioned that you had a dt, so might I suggest you check him out? Or perhaps have a mad scientist look at the clue if you know of one? I think its definitely possible that it matches up with the scholar description, but when looking back at his post history there is nothing out of the ordinary so it could just be a coincidence.
Cheers.
-kitaman27
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On October 25 2010 08:05 Node wrote:
IMO, HeavOnEarth has had suspicion on him far too long without a lynch. I can no longer see justification for keeping him alive any longer.
this, what more do you need
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On October 25 2010 06:10 KhrisKruel wrote:
I'm not voting kitaman or heavonearth. You guys are voting him because of dumb clue analysis.
kenpachi is scummy as shit, HE BANDWAGONS AGAIN, he hasn't contribued jackshit to this discussion, and you're letting him live again.
I refuse to vote for people that the only thing you have on them is clues
well my dumb clue analysis found masq and brownbear, who were both red.
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yeah like it also found hittegods, yummyblabla, Lucktar, shmotz, glurio, and kyplosis.
All those townies were found suspicious just because of clues, and all were wrong.
Clue analysis is hit and miss. It's day 5. The fact that town stil doesn't care about post analysis and clue analysis is either because a) You guys are fucking stupid or b) the active posters are scum and using bullshit reasons to vote for people.
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actually glurio was found suspicious because of other things, but point stands
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On October 25 2010 06:10 KhrisKruel wrote:
I'm not voting kitaman or heavonearth. You guys are voting him because of dumb clue analysis.
kenpachi is scummy as shit, HE BANDWAGONS AGAIN, he hasn't contribued jackshit to this discussion, and you're letting him live again.
I refuse to vote for people that the only thing you have on them is clues
Are you kidding? Heavonearth has been scummy as shit too. Here's my analysis:
+ Show Spoiler +First note, he's only had like 6 posts this whole thread. Basically, lurking in the background while voting for NON-vampire people. I mean, his votes have been: Day 1 - Veldril (followed BM's analysis... and that's it, no more posts about it) Day 2 - VeldrilDay 3 - GlurioDay 4 - Hittegods and switched into Kenpachi ONLY after the bandwagon started to get big on Kenpachi. Day 5 - Kitaman27 (once again, a bandwagon) Guess what, he made the vote AFTER his last post in the thread meaning he hasn't yet posted his justification for this vote. On October 12 2010 19:29 HeavOnEarth wrote:Wow after reading the thread I am thoroughly convinced we may have a mafia/vampire kill on day 1- Veldril. Nice work spotting him Bill + Show Spoiler [veldril's posts] +On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
On October 11 2010 15:03 Veldril wrote:
Hey, he's killed by a dagger not sword, lol. And if you buy enough knives then you can literally pierce a person at every spot. On October 11 2010 15:08 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:04 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 14:50 Lucktar wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 oddo123 wrote:
Veldril's public profile:
My body is made out of swords.
I have a blood of Fire and a heart of Glass.
I have fought through countless battles.
Never once retreating.
Never once being victorious.
The bearer lies here alone, forging iron on the hill of swords.
But my life needs no meaning.
My whole life was made out of unlimited swords. Regarding Incognito's death: As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction, ending his life cruelly. Body made of swords is the only thing I've found so far that seems to relate to this bit. This is a quote from archer from FSN. Archer had the power to make a reality marble which twists the surrounding to recreate his mind. In that reality marble, he can make any sword and as much swords as he desire hence it being called Unlimited Blade Works. It can be interpreted that "he could feel cold steel peirce his body from every direction" as having thousands of swords pierce his body. Actually this is from his younger self one. But in this game I would like to be the one in my profile picture more, lol. On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. On October 11 2010 15:40 Veldril wrote:Oh and by Mafia/Vampire deflecting blame in the first point of my previous post is that if they are lucky, they could kill other side too. For Mafia/Vampire, I think they don't care much about who dies in the first couple of days/nights as long as it's not on their side. Townie dies mean they have less choice to make in the next cycle and if they can force townie to vote to kill the other side, then that would make them even have more profit. Oh and I don't say that Masq is surely not a killer. I just think we need to look further for other clues too before accusing him solely. But he's one of the suspects though. (Maybe I need a ghost in the first night  ). On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Show nested quote +Clues:
During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? On October 12 2010 00:46 Veldril wrote:
Oh and Bill, I concluded that you are experienced player because you participated in many Mafia game before. You even hosted a game. I checked your post history. On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. On October 12 2010 03:14 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:09 CubEdIn wrote:On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. Not that it's very relevant, but you couldn't get 7 kills on vampire or mafia since they know who they are and would not use their 3 kills on their own team. So tops would be 4 kills on one side and 3 kills on the other, which wouldn't be TOO bad. It would make the game fairly interesting, since all sides gain from killing the other sides, so it would still be fairly even in terms of Mafia vs Vampires, but the Townies would have the advantage. As for masq, as I said in the beginning, it may not be the smartest thing to go on with such an obvious clue, but then again what other options do we have? Really, no other clues come close to this in my opinion. If we find someone who's more likely, then I'd gladly change my vote. Oh yeah, I miscounted and forgot about that. Thanks for a reminder and correction. On October 12 2010 03:50 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:On October 12 2010 02:47 Veldril wrote:
Vote on Bill Murray. This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:
aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating. You can accuse me as much as you like. That doesn't refute my point I made earlier about you. Oh and nice about forcing Aztorisk to vote me by publishing the PM. On October 12 2010 04:00 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:58 NB wrote:
Talking about M or V... they will want to get rid of the most "reasonable" person who has the most "power posts" in the first night... So The ghost should be protecting the most influential person we having here.
hmm, how do you type in color? only mods can do that? type (blue) message (/blue) but replacing () with [] Example: blue green red On October 12 2010 04:07 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Clues:
During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? my logic is more like this: you said "as mafia, i would defend someone" you said so AFTER defending someone therefore, it is possible you are mafia with them the fact you are squirming and attacking my logic, while calling me an experienced player claiming I have a hidden agenda (which I don't and it's a fucking straight out lie), is making me really really want you to be lynched. You are pretty good for a newbie. Your logic is better than mine. My logic sucks. I don't give a fuck if my logic sucks, though, you have made many fucking mistakes. You are mafia. You are either mafia or a vampire, and I'm going to get you lynched. Sorry. Hmmm, fair enough. You have your points spoken and that's fine for me. Well, maybe I jumped my conclusion that "experienced player = player familiar with logic" so if that's not true then my argument would be unsound. But since we really don't know is it true or not, we could just left it for others to decide. On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:16 orgolove wrote:https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlSo far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there: jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy? And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes: ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28) These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him" What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back. Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno... Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 On October 12 2010 04:30 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:28 deconduo wrote:On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 04:16 orgolove wrote:https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlSo far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there: jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy? And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes: ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28) These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him" What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back. Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno... Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 Twice actually, and I will be picking up a bit if I can. Ah I see, seems to miss your post. Anyway, off to sleep now since it's night here in Asia. On October 12 2010 19:02 Veldril wrote:
It seems most people are out for my blood now.
I feel like now when I try to defend or propose something up, most people will come up with even more excuses to vote me. It seems I really made a grudge with Bill Murray, since he's the most vocal to get me killed. I don't really understand why you would want me to get lynched so badly. I would shift a vote off you if you have explain the reason why do you think "defending others" would mean "Red defends Red".
Also, I feel that either me or Masq get lynched, it would not be a good situation for Townie or me at all. If Masq get lynched and turn out to be red, people would still suspect me and that could hurt townie since they would spend their focus on me being red and I would still get fried. If Masq turn out to be green, I don't think some people will let me go free without discrediting me, therefore I could not make impact in the future day/night.
However, if I get lynched today, it would be a game over. It may seems cowardice but I will have to vote for Masq to save myself. I just wish that Masq indeed turns out to be green.
WOW, contributing nothing to the thread! Great, perfect! And supporting the vote for Veldril started by BM! Hmmm, scummy much? It's basically saying, hey, I'll bandwagon to save my friend Masq. + Show Spoiler +On October 18 2010 03:07 HeavOnEarth wrote:Hey guys. I've been super busy with university work( 2nd year Chemical Engineer), so i've only had time to vote for suspects that were posted in the thread. As for Pandain, i have to point out his analysis of me is completely wrong Show nested quote +
claims hes thoroughly convinced we MAY have a mafia/vamp. What kind of sentence is that?
Also tries to indirectly gain town cred for Bill, who I'm suscipcious of because he always seems scummy to me and the numerous references to drunkeness in the day post.
Compare that with his quote:
"Sobriety is a sin whose destruction ought be perused without abandon."
First off, my quote isn't "Sobriety is a sin whose destruction ought be perused without abandon." as you guys can clearly see for yourselves Show nested quote +
his album in his profile is by a finnish death metal band. The second song is called "songs of the storm."
this is also false, the album picture in my profile, does not have songs of the storm listed This is the image: ![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0e/Insomnium_-_Since_the_Day_it_All_Came_Down.jpg) and the album tracks: http://artists.letssingit.com/insomnium-album-since-the-day-it-all-came-down-92g736you can clearly see that pandain's claims are false. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6621623^ his post for quoting reference Also, he wrongly claimed that jodogohoo was vampire, and you guys followed him with that as well. Clearly, he was not. I don't see why you guys would defend the points of Pandain who has been wrong all game.I know i haven't been active, and im sorry for that, which led to me lynching Veld , but if you want to claim me for that, you might as well lynch half the town, as a large majority of them also voted for veld as well. Now look at this. He comes in to defend himself, and then point a finger at a townie Pandain, and then leaves. This doesn't help at all. All it does is protect himself and then cause suspicion and paranoia for the town. On October 21 2010 10:35 HeavOnEarth wrote:Hi, I'm going to be a lot more active now, just finished a shitton of tests Also, i think the hitte clue is pretty solid. As for his voting, look here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6575537http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6575592Bumatlarge was also vamp. This is called, bussing , i believe. When your ally (vamp) has no chance of living, so you vote him. Bumatlarge did this, and i suspect hittegod did as well. As for artanis, Vampire hit artanis this night (which means they knew he was mafia) So they wouldve obviously tried to lynch him, as to have not wasted a hit. I believe this is a very solid vampire lynch if we lynch hittegods. Here, he's basically advocating for Hittegod's lynch. Guess what, hittegod turned out BLUE! You know what's the great part of being a vampire? You know who's NOT vampire, aka greens, blues, and mafia. Hittegod just turned out to be blue. So let's see, so far, he's supported an accusation of a green (Veldril), accused a green himself (Pandain), and accused a blue himself (Hitte). Well, that's just dandy. He also voted for Veldril Day 1 and Glurio Day 3, both of whom were NOT red. On October 21 2010 11:11 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Until we find someone else the baseball bat clue relates to, im inclined to believe he is scum
Still supporting the lynch of a blue (Hittegod) On October 21 2010 12:50 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I like your plan of publicly claiming blues , as counter intuitive as it seems, vamp/mafia won't go after them. In fact , they will cross them off the list completely, and go after other people which is awesome for the town.
One question though, how do you know node isn't Dracula?
Or anyone else you checked( i dont remember seeing you have any other confirmed ones) Semi-useful post if people don't think about Dracula at all. I guess it's good as a reminder? On October 21 2010 13:05 HeavOnEarth wrote:This is going to end up with mafia/ or vamp starting a bandwagon unless we- GIVE A REASON FOR VOTING. Just look at last lynch, And the lynch before that. Hahaha, the irony of this.  Look, he says GIVE A REASON FOR VOTING, and what does he do? Not give a reason for voting glurio or kitaman. Oh, this contradiction is quite delicious, don't ya think? And speaking of bandwagons... who always follows the bandwagons that go after blues/greens? Heavonearth. Hmmmmm, interesting. Basically, this dude is scum. He made ONE post, exactly ONE before voting on Veldril the first day. And that post basically said, I'm following BM and that's it. It added no content, and it was a bandwagon. The guy was trying to save his buddy Masq, that's all. Aside from that, he's accused Pandain... and then voted for Glurio. Fact is, he said Pandain was scummy for being wrong all the time, but he never voted for the panda. He NEVER gave a reason for voting Glurio. He just bandwagoned. Then, he voted for Hittegod and had a reason, but never explained why he switched to Kenpachi! This voting without explanation, and votes always seem to be town-aligned players makes him really seem scummy. I say lynch him. =/
Voting for him now.
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On October 25 2010 11:23 ghrur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 06:10 KhrisKruel wrote:
I'm not voting kitaman or heavonearth. You guys are voting him because of dumb clue analysis.
kenpachi is scummy as shit, HE BANDWAGONS AGAIN, he hasn't contribued jackshit to this discussion, and you're letting him live again.
I refuse to vote for people that the only thing you have on them is clues Are you kidding? Heavonearth has been scummy as shit too. Here's my analysis: + Show Spoiler +First note, he's only had like 6 posts this whole thread. Basically, lurking in the background while voting for NON-vampire people. I mean, his votes have been: Day 1 - Veldril (followed BM's analysis... and that's it, no more posts about it) Day 2 - VeldrilDay 3 - GlurioDay 4 - Hittegods and switched into Kenpachi ONLY after the bandwagon started to get big on Kenpachi. Day 5 - Kitaman27 (once again, a bandwagon) Guess what, he made the vote AFTER his last post in the thread meaning he hasn't yet posted his justification for this vote. On October 12 2010 19:29 HeavOnEarth wrote:Wow after reading the thread I am thoroughly convinced we may have a mafia/vampire kill on day 1- Veldril. Nice work spotting him Bill + Show Spoiler [veldril's posts] +On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
On October 11 2010 15:03 Veldril wrote:
Hey, he's killed by a dagger not sword, lol. And if you buy enough knives then you can literally pierce a person at every spot. On October 11 2010 15:08 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:04 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 14:50 Lucktar wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 oddo123 wrote:
Veldril's public profile:
My body is made out of swords.
I have a blood of Fire and a heart of Glass.
I have fought through countless battles.
Never once retreating.
Never once being victorious.
The bearer lies here alone, forging iron on the hill of swords.
But my life needs no meaning.
My whole life was made out of unlimited swords. Regarding Incognito's death: As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction, ending his life cruelly. Body made of swords is the only thing I've found so far that seems to relate to this bit. This is a quote from archer from FSN. Archer had the power to make a reality marble which twists the surrounding to recreate his mind. In that reality marble, he can make any sword and as much swords as he desire hence it being called Unlimited Blade Works. It can be interpreted that "he could feel cold steel peirce his body from every direction" as having thousands of swords pierce his body. Actually this is from his younger self one. But in this game I would like to be the one in my profile picture more, lol. On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. On October 11 2010 15:40 Veldril wrote:Oh and by Mafia/Vampire deflecting blame in the first point of my previous post is that if they are lucky, they could kill other side too. For Mafia/Vampire, I think they don't care much about who dies in the first couple of days/nights as long as it's not on their side. Townie dies mean they have less choice to make in the next cycle and if they can force townie to vote to kill the other side, then that would make them even have more profit. Oh and I don't say that Masq is surely not a killer. I just think we need to look further for other clues too before accusing him solely. But he's one of the suspects though. (Maybe I need a ghost in the first night ). On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Show nested quote +Clues:
During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? On October 12 2010 00:46 Veldril wrote:
Oh and Bill, I concluded that you are experienced player because you participated in many Mafia game before. You even hosted a game. I checked your post history. On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. On October 12 2010 03:14 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:09 CubEdIn wrote:On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. Not that it's very relevant, but you couldn't get 7 kills on vampire or mafia since they know who they are and would not use their 3 kills on their own team. So tops would be 4 kills on one side and 3 kills on the other, which wouldn't be TOO bad. It would make the game fairly interesting, since all sides gain from killing the other sides, so it would still be fairly even in terms of Mafia vs Vampires, but the Townies would have the advantage. As for masq, as I said in the beginning, it may not be the smartest thing to go on with such an obvious clue, but then again what other options do we have? Really, no other clues come close to this in my opinion. If we find someone who's more likely, then I'd gladly change my vote. Oh yeah, I miscounted and forgot about that. Thanks for a reminder and correction. On October 12 2010 03:50 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:On October 12 2010 02:47 Veldril wrote:
Vote on Bill Murray. This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:
aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating. You can accuse me as much as you like. That doesn't refute my point I made earlier about you. Oh and nice about forcing Aztorisk to vote me by publishing the PM. On October 12 2010 04:00 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:58 NB wrote:
Talking about M or V... they will want to get rid of the most "reasonable" person who has the most "power posts" in the first night... So The ghost should be protecting the most influential person we having here.
hmm, how do you type in color? only mods can do that? type (blue) message (/blue) but replacing () with [] Example: blue green red On October 12 2010 04:07 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Clues:
During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? my logic is more like this: you said "as mafia, i would defend someone" you said so AFTER defending someone therefore, it is possible you are mafia with them the fact you are squirming and attacking my logic, while calling me an experienced player claiming I have a hidden agenda (which I don't and it's a fucking straight out lie), is making me really really want you to be lynched. You are pretty good for a newbie. Your logic is better than mine. My logic sucks. I don't give a fuck if my logic sucks, though, you have made many fucking mistakes. You are mafia. You are either mafia or a vampire, and I'm going to get you lynched. Sorry. Hmmm, fair enough. You have your points spoken and that's fine for me. Well, maybe I jumped my conclusion that "experienced player = player familiar with logic" so if that's not true then my argument would be unsound. But since we really don't know is it true or not, we could just left it for others to decide. On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:16 orgolove wrote:https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlSo far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there: jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy? And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes: ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28) These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him" What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back. Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno... Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 On October 12 2010 04:30 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:28 deconduo wrote:On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 04:16 orgolove wrote:https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlSo far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there: jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy? And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes: ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28) These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him" What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back. Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno... Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 Twice actually, and I will be picking up a bit if I can. Ah I see, seems to miss your post. Anyway, off to sleep now since it's night here in Asia. On October 12 2010 19:02 Veldril wrote:
It seems most people are out for my blood now.
I feel like now when I try to defend or propose something up, most people will come up with even more excuses to vote me. It seems I really made a grudge with Bill Murray, since he's the most vocal to get me killed. I don't really understand why you would want me to get lynched so badly. I would shift a vote off you if you have explain the reason why do you think "defending others" would mean "Red defends Red".
Also, I feel that either me or Masq get lynched, it would not be a good situation for Townie or me at all. If Masq get lynched and turn out to be red, people would still suspect me and that could hurt townie since they would spend their focus on me being red and I would still get fried. If Masq turn out to be green, I don't think some people will let me go free without discrediting me, therefore I could not make impact in the future day/night.
However, if I get lynched today, it would be a game over. It may seems cowardice but I will have to vote for Masq to save myself. I just wish that Masq indeed turns out to be green.
WOW, contributing nothing to the thread! Great, perfect! And supporting the vote for Veldril started by BM! Hmmm, scummy much? It's basically saying, hey, I'll bandwagon to save my friend Masq. + Show Spoiler +On October 18 2010 03:07 HeavOnEarth wrote:Hey guys. I've been super busy with university work( 2nd year Chemical Engineer), so i've only had time to vote for suspects that were posted in the thread. As for Pandain, i have to point out his analysis of me is completely wrong Show nested quote +
claims hes thoroughly convinced we MAY have a mafia/vamp. What kind of sentence is that?
Also tries to indirectly gain town cred for Bill, who I'm suscipcious of because he always seems scummy to me and the numerous references to drunkeness in the day post.
Compare that with his quote:
"Sobriety is a sin whose destruction ought be perused without abandon."
First off, my quote isn't "Sobriety is a sin whose destruction ought be perused without abandon." as you guys can clearly see for yourselves Show nested quote +
his album in his profile is by a finnish death metal band. The second song is called "songs of the storm."
this is also false, the album picture in my profile, does not have songs of the storm listed This is the image: and the album tracks: http://artists.letssingit.com/insomnium-album-since-the-day-it-all-came-down-92g736you can clearly see that pandain's claims are false. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6621623^ his post for quoting reference Also, he wrongly claimed that jodogohoo was vampire, and you guys followed him with that as well. Clearly, he was not. I don't see why you guys would defend the points of Pandain who has been wrong all game.I know i haven't been active, and im sorry for that, which led to me lynching Veld , but if you want to claim me for that, you might as well lynch half the town, as a large majority of them also voted for veld as well. Now look at this. He comes in to defend himself, and then point a finger at a townie Pandain, and then leaves. This doesn't help at all. All it does is protect himself and then cause suspicion and paranoia for the town. On October 21 2010 10:35 HeavOnEarth wrote:Hi, I'm going to be a lot more active now, just finished a shitton of tests Also, i think the hitte clue is pretty solid. As for his voting, look here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6575537http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6575592Bumatlarge was also vamp. This is called, bussing , i believe. When your ally (vamp) has no chance of living, so you vote him. Bumatlarge did this, and i suspect hittegod did as well. As for artanis, Vampire hit artanis this night (which means they knew he was mafia) So they wouldve obviously tried to lynch him, as to have not wasted a hit. I believe this is a very solid vampire lynch if we lynch hittegods. Here, he's basically advocating for Hittegod's lynch. Guess what, hittegod turned out BLUE! You know what's the great part of being a vampire? You know who's NOT vampire, aka greens, blues, and mafia. Hittegod just turned out to be blue. So let's see, so far, he's supported an accusation of a green (Veldril), accused a green himself (Pandain), and accused a blue himself (Hitte). Well, that's just dandy. He also voted for Veldril Day 1 and Glurio Day 3, both of whom were NOT red. On October 21 2010 11:11 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Until we find someone else the baseball bat clue relates to, im inclined to believe he is scum
Still supporting the lynch of a blue (Hittegod) On October 21 2010 12:50 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I like your plan of publicly claiming blues , as counter intuitive as it seems, vamp/mafia won't go after them. In fact , they will cross them off the list completely, and go after other people which is awesome for the town.
One question though, how do you know node isn't Dracula?
Or anyone else you checked( i dont remember seeing you have any other confirmed ones) Semi-useful post if people don't think about Dracula at all. I guess it's good as a reminder? On October 21 2010 13:05 HeavOnEarth wrote:This is going to end up with mafia/ or vamp starting a bandwagon unless we- GIVE A REASON FOR VOTING. Just look at last lynch, And the lynch before that. Hahaha, the irony of this. Look, he says GIVE A REASON FOR VOTING, and what does he do? Not give a reason for voting glurio or kitaman. Oh, this contradiction is quite delicious, don't ya think? And speaking of bandwagons... who always follows the bandwagons that go after blues/greens? Heavonearth. Hmmmmm, interesting. Basically, this dude is scum. He made ONE post, exactly ONE before voting on Veldril the first day. And that post basically said, I'm following BM and that's it. It added no content, and it was a bandwagon. The guy was trying to save his buddy Masq, that's all. Aside from that, he's accused Pandain... and then voted for Glurio. Fact is, he said Pandain was scummy for being wrong all the time, but he never voted for the panda. He NEVER gave a reason for voting Glurio. He just bandwagoned. Then, he voted for Hittegod and had a reason, but never explained why he switched to Kenpachi! This voting without explanation, and votes always seem to be town-aligned players makes him really seem scummy. I say lynch him. =/ Voting for him now.
I've already voted for him. Seems like just bandwagoning stuff to stay low. Any way, by you're analysis, he will turn out vamp. That leaves a 4-5 with vamps still have their count dracula. Does vamps also still have a brute or they only had 1?
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On October 25 2010 11:29 zerroth wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 11:23 ghrur wrote:On October 25 2010 06:10 KhrisKruel wrote:
I'm not voting kitaman or heavonearth. You guys are voting him because of dumb clue analysis.
kenpachi is scummy as shit, HE BANDWAGONS AGAIN, he hasn't contribued jackshit to this discussion, and you're letting him live again.
I refuse to vote for people that the only thing you have on them is clues Are you kidding? Heavonearth has been scummy as shit too. Here's my analysis: + Show Spoiler +First note, he's only had like 6 posts this whole thread. Basically, lurking in the background while voting for NON-vampire people. I mean, his votes have been: Day 1 - Veldril (followed BM's analysis... and that's it, no more posts about it) Day 2 - VeldrilDay 3 - GlurioDay 4 - Hittegods and switched into Kenpachi ONLY after the bandwagon started to get big on Kenpachi. Day 5 - Kitaman27 (once again, a bandwagon) Guess what, he made the vote AFTER his last post in the thread meaning he hasn't yet posted his justification for this vote. On October 12 2010 19:29 HeavOnEarth wrote:Wow after reading the thread I am thoroughly convinced we may have a mafia/vampire kill on day 1- Veldril. Nice work spotting him Bill + Show Spoiler [veldril's posts] +On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
On October 11 2010 15:03 Veldril wrote:
Hey, he's killed by a dagger not sword, lol. And if you buy enough knives then you can literally pierce a person at every spot. On October 11 2010 15:08 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:04 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 14:50 Lucktar wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 oddo123 wrote:
Veldril's public profile:
My body is made out of swords.
I have a blood of Fire and a heart of Glass.
I have fought through countless battles.
Never once retreating.
Never once being victorious.
The bearer lies here alone, forging iron on the hill of swords.
But my life needs no meaning.
My whole life was made out of unlimited swords. Regarding Incognito's death: As he turned the corner around a bookshelf a dagger pierced his heart. As he died he could feel cold steel pierce his body from every direction, ending his life cruelly. Body made of swords is the only thing I've found so far that seems to relate to this bit. This is a quote from archer from FSN. Archer had the power to make a reality marble which twists the surrounding to recreate his mind. In that reality marble, he can make any sword and as much swords as he desire hence it being called Unlimited Blade Works. It can be interpreted that "he could feel cold steel peirce his body from every direction" as having thousands of swords pierce his body. Actually this is from his younger self one. But in this game I would like to be the one in my profile picture more, lol. On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. On October 11 2010 15:40 Veldril wrote:Oh and by Mafia/Vampire deflecting blame in the first point of my previous post is that if they are lucky, they could kill other side too. For Mafia/Vampire, I think they don't care much about who dies in the first couple of days/nights as long as it's not on their side. Townie dies mean they have less choice to make in the next cycle and if they can force townie to vote to kill the other side, then that would make them even have more profit. Oh and I don't say that Masq is surely not a killer. I just think we need to look further for other clues too before accusing him solely. But he's one of the suspects though. (Maybe I need a ghost in the first night ). On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Show nested quote +Clues:
During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. Show nested quote +On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? On October 12 2010 00:46 Veldril wrote:
Oh and Bill, I concluded that you are experienced player because you participated in many Mafia game before. You even hosted a game. I checked your post history. On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. On October 12 2010 03:14 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:09 CubEdIn wrote:On October 12 2010 02:12 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 02:02 Flicky wrote:
My general opinion on the Whole Masq thing is that he's not doing a great job of defending himself despite it only being day 1.
While it's possible it's "too obvious" to some, as soon as I realised it can't have been a Jack O'Lantern framing, the more it seems that's the only lead.
Seems likely to me and that a possible miss-lynch wouldn't be too much of an issue. After spending time reading rules, I do agree that miss-lynch on the first day is not a big issue. We have 61 players here, with 22 reds. That we have 39 greens/blues. Considering that mafias and vampires each can kill up to 3 people (or have to kill three people I'm not sure, might need clarification on this), we can say that on the first day plus first night, there will be up to 7 people dead. If all dead are hit at townie, then townie will have 32 player left. And worst case would be 7 of either vampire or mafia are killed (only single side), which I believe is very unlikely. Not that it's very relevant, but you couldn't get 7 kills on vampire or mafia since they know who they are and would not use their 3 kills on their own team. So tops would be 4 kills on one side and 3 kills on the other, which wouldn't be TOO bad. It would make the game fairly interesting, since all sides gain from killing the other sides, so it would still be fairly even in terms of Mafia vs Vampires, but the Townies would have the advantage. As for masq, as I said in the beginning, it may not be the smartest thing to go on with such an obvious clue, but then again what other options do we have? Really, no other clues come close to this in my opinion. If we find someone who's more likely, then I'd gladly change my vote. Oh yeah, I miscounted and forgot about that. Thanks for a reminder and correction. On October 12 2010 03:50 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:On October 12 2010 02:47 Veldril wrote:
Vote on Bill Murray. This is pretty damning. This is called an OMGUS. He is voting me because I have made a very good case on him, and he is pussysore about it. OMGUS = Oh My God You Suck. Veldril is standing in the grave he's digging, and it's a two plotter. One is for himself, one is for masq. Masq is mostly harmless, though, so lets get Veldril out of the way first. I'd also like to point out these PMs I received and corresponded on with aztorisk:
aztorisk wrote:
I agree with you however, we won't be able to gather enough votes to eliminate veldril. If you can gather 2 more votes for veldril, I'll switch, if not, vote for masq so your vote does not go to waste.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
all i'm saying is veldril has been both more obvious and more active. it is dangerous to leave him alive, whereas masq is mostly harmless and has 1-2 posts with no real substance.
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
I know, I don't want to vote for masq either but It wouldn't be fair for masq if we are biased because he is a SC2 pro.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
i am more sure of veldril, plus iirc masq is good at sc2 so i'm biased
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
Theres already 4 guys on masq and 1 guy on vendril. We have a better chance of removing masq. You said that you don't care which one goes home.
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Original Message From Bill Murray:
vote with me on veldril then
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Original Message From aztrorisk:
hey can you vote for masq because we won't be able to gather enough votes for vendril. If it is masq, then we'll vote for vendril because he tried to save masq. However, if you keep your vote for vendril and he will probably not get enough votes to get lynched.:
The point of me posting this is that either two things will happen now: A) Aztorisk switches to Veldril, fulfilling his promise to me through PM. B) Aztorisk lies about what he said he would do. If A, he is helping the town. If B, he is breaking LAL, which is Lynch All Liars, and we should lynch him for not cooperating. You can accuse me as much as you like. That doesn't refute my point I made earlier about you. Oh and nice about forcing Aztorisk to vote me by publishing the PM. On October 12 2010 04:00 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 03:58 NB wrote:
Talking about M or V... they will want to get rid of the most "reasonable" person who has the most "power posts" in the first night... So The ghost should be protecting the most influential person we having here.
hmm, how do you type in color? only mods can do that? type (blue) message (/blue) but replacing () with [] Example: blue green red On October 12 2010 04:07 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:On October 12 2010 00:43 Veldril wrote:Oh well, I think I deserve to be suspected for protecting Masq. But let's be clear, I'm suspecting Masq too but I don't want to draw conclusion based solely on the story that the GM wrote. To quote what Dr.H written in the introduction: Clues:
During the day, people die. When people die, clues are left behind by the dastardly mafia (or monsters) that killed them. Clues may refer to a persons profile, name, and signature. They can be taken from anywhere and won't always be so obvious. Keep a sharp and open mind when looking for clues. Remember, clues often times hurt the town more than they help. Analyze but don't go overboard in trying to use clues to your advantage, you may just run yourself in circles. Mafia is a game of deception, guesswork, and manipulation before it is a game of clue analysis. Keep that in mind. That means the clue might hurt townie like us too. Now let me response to Bill Murray's post: On October 11 2010 15:39 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 14:46 Veldril wrote:
Reporting in.
Many victims seems to die by a weapon, maybe most are killed by mafia? Or maybe the vampire mimic the mafia style? However, I'm not sure is this important or not.
Also, nice find Glasse. That's really helpful. But maybe we can get more clue from the first night post that make the mafia/vamp more visible.
This seems very forced. Maybe this, maybe that. I'm voting this guy. Fuck all the clue speculation, let's lynch Veldril over this post. I like your post here. Yes, I was absolutely did a bad post and deserve to be suspected. But after reading Ver's guide, do you think I would make a same mistake that Misder made in the past? I think not. On October 11 2010 15:48 Bill Murray wrote:On October 11 2010 15:33 Veldril wrote:On October 11 2010 15:14 Nemesis wrote:On October 11 2010 15:11 Veldril wrote:
Another thing is that are we too readily to blame Masq for the kill? The evidence is quite obvious but it could be too obvious sometimes. We need to be a little bit more careful about voting. Unless you have someone else in mind, then please enlighten us. Right now, it is the best lead we got. I don't have one specific in my mind right now (that's why I don't vote yet). But I have some idea... Firstly, because the Mafia and Vampire knows who are on the same team with them, they would want to deflect the blame if a person in his team is suspected. A person who rashly accuses other person could be a Mafia or a Vampire, especially on Day 1. Note that this is not about presenting suspicious players' profiles. But it's more about looking at only one profile and making an accusation without analysis or with an over-analysis. Secondly, I believe that there's old-school player here so we might be able to check their previous post first before making an accusation. Analyzing the old posts in previous games might become useful if you have time to do it. LOL. YOU JUST ADMITTED YOU'D BUDDY WHEN MAFIA, AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT WITH MASQ. I DON'T MEAN TO BE FUNNY WITH HALLOWEEN-REFERENCES, BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE NAIL IN YOUR COFFIN MR VAMPIRE LOL Could you please clarify how I admitted that I'm a mafia/vampire? Because I defended Masq? I guess your logic is something like this. If someone is a mafia/vampire then that person would defend blame on his team mate. If a person defend other person then those people are teammate. Veldril defend Masq Therefore,Veldril and Masq are team mate. Therefore, Veldril and Masq are vampire. If your logic is like above then I think you have made both formal fallacy and informal fallacy. With an experienced player like you, it is unlikely that you would make such fallacies, unless you ignore them to make an accusation on me with some agendas. Of course, I could be wrong but in that case, could you please clarify why do you think I team up with Masq please? my logic is more like this: you said "as mafia, i would defend someone" you said so AFTER defending someone therefore, it is possible you are mafia with them the fact you are squirming and attacking my logic, while calling me an experienced player claiming I have a hidden agenda (which I don't and it's a fucking straight out lie), is making me really really want you to be lynched. You are pretty good for a newbie. Your logic is better than mine. My logic sucks. I don't give a fuck if my logic sucks, though, you have made many fucking mistakes. You are mafia. You are either mafia or a vampire, and I'm going to get you lynched. Sorry. Hmmm, fair enough. You have your points spoken and that's fine for me. Well, maybe I jumped my conclusion that "experienced player = player familiar with logic" so if that's not true then my argument would be unsound. But since we really don't know is it true or not, we could just left it for others to decide. On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:16 orgolove wrote:https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlSo far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there: jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy? And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes: ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28) These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him" What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back. Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno... Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 On October 12 2010 04:30 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 04:28 deconduo wrote:On October 12 2010 04:21 Veldril wrote:On October 12 2010 04:16 orgolove wrote:https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap0Ejzlf165MdENWM3p1cHNOcDlnT0o4bjNUUFdVMlE&hl=en&output=htmlSo far we have a few people who have had several tells. These may not be conclusive, but just putting it out there: jodogohoo-"what is mafia" pretended to be noob, changed vote multiple times 1st day Masq-apart from profile matching the clue, immediately agreed with Veldril when defended aztrorisk-strongly accused shmotz, switched to masq when others started, defended glasse when his hammer profile pic was mentioned Bill Murray-happy to kill coagulation/masq, posted PMs with aztorisk (!!!) - untrustworthy? And we can see that most of the votes are against these few. Now, I don't understand the following votes: ShmotZ - 1 - KtheZ - (L-30) seRapH - 2 - NB, coagulation - (L-29) coagulation - 3 - seRapH, deconduo, jcarlsoniv - (L-28) These votes can't be explained by the newbie logic of "he voted for me, so I'm voting for him" What's interesting to note is, seraph accused coagulation, then NB and coagulation voted Seraph back. Also, I haven't seen jcarlsoniv or deconduo post in this thread, only in the voting thread. These might be from the same faction- I dunno... Deconduo has posted once. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159453¤tpage=17#327 Twice actually, and I will be picking up a bit if I can. Ah I see, seems to miss your post. Anyway, off to sleep now since it's night here in Asia. On October 12 2010 19:02 Veldril wrote:
It seems most people are out for my blood now.
I feel like now when I try to defend or propose something up, most people will come up with even more excuses to vote me. It seems I really made a grudge with Bill Murray, since he's the most vocal to get me killed. I don't really understand why you would want me to get lynched so badly. I would shift a vote off you if you have explain the reason why do you think "defending others" would mean "Red defends Red".
Also, I feel that either me or Masq get lynched, it would not be a good situation for Townie or me at all. If Masq get lynched and turn out to be red, people would still suspect me and that could hurt townie since they would spend their focus on me being red and I would still get fried. If Masq turn out to be green, I don't think some people will let me go free without discrediting me, therefore I could not make impact in the future day/night.
However, if I get lynched today, it would be a game over. It may seems cowardice but I will have to vote for Masq to save myself. I just wish that Masq indeed turns out to be green.
WOW, contributing nothing to the thread! Great, perfect! And supporting the vote for Veldril started by BM! Hmmm, scummy much? It's basically saying, hey, I'll bandwagon to save my friend Masq. + Show Spoiler +On October 18 2010 03:07 HeavOnEarth wrote:Hey guys. I've been super busy with university work( 2nd year Chemical Engineer), so i've only had time to vote for suspects that were posted in the thread. As for Pandain, i have to point out his analysis of me is completely wrong Show nested quote +
claims hes thoroughly convinced we MAY have a mafia/vamp. What kind of sentence is that?
Also tries to indirectly gain town cred for Bill, who I'm suscipcious of because he always seems scummy to me and the numerous references to drunkeness in the day post.
Compare that with his quote:
"Sobriety is a sin whose destruction ought be perused without abandon."
First off, my quote isn't "Sobriety is a sin whose destruction ought be perused without abandon." as you guys can clearly see for yourselves Show nested quote +
his album in his profile is by a finnish death metal band. The second song is called "songs of the storm."
this is also false, the album picture in my profile, does not have songs of the storm listed This is the image: and the album tracks: http://artists.letssingit.com/insomnium-album-since-the-day-it-all-came-down-92g736you can clearly see that pandain's claims are false. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6621623^ his post for quoting reference Also, he wrongly claimed that jodogohoo was vampire, and you guys followed him with that as well. Clearly, he was not. I don't see why you guys would defend the points of Pandain who has been wrong all game.I know i haven't been active, and im sorry for that, which led to me lynching Veld , but if you want to claim me for that, you might as well lynch half the town, as a large majority of them also voted for veld as well. Now look at this. He comes in to defend himself, and then point a finger at a townie Pandain, and then leaves. This doesn't help at all. All it does is protect himself and then cause suspicion and paranoia for the town. On October 21 2010 10:35 HeavOnEarth wrote:Hi, I'm going to be a lot more active now, just finished a shitton of tests Also, i think the hitte clue is pretty solid. As for his voting, look here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6575537http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6575592Bumatlarge was also vamp. This is called, bussing , i believe. When your ally (vamp) has no chance of living, so you vote him. Bumatlarge did this, and i suspect hittegod did as well. As for artanis, Vampire hit artanis this night (which means they knew he was mafia) So they wouldve obviously tried to lynch him, as to have not wasted a hit. I believe this is a very solid vampire lynch if we lynch hittegods. Here, he's basically advocating for Hittegod's lynch. Guess what, hittegod turned out BLUE! You know what's the great part of being a vampire? You know who's NOT vampire, aka greens, blues, and mafia. Hittegod just turned out to be blue. So let's see, so far, he's supported an accusation of a green (Veldril), accused a green himself (Pandain), and accused a blue himself (Hitte). Well, that's just dandy. He also voted for Veldril Day 1 and Glurio Day 3, both of whom were NOT red. On October 21 2010 11:11 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Until we find someone else the baseball bat clue relates to, im inclined to believe he is scum
Still supporting the lynch of a blue (Hittegod) On October 21 2010 12:50 HeavOnEarth wrote:
I like your plan of publicly claiming blues , as counter intuitive as it seems, vamp/mafia won't go after them. In fact , they will cross them off the list completely, and go after other people which is awesome for the town.
One question though, how do you know node isn't Dracula?
Or anyone else you checked( i dont remember seeing you have any other confirmed ones) Semi-useful post if people don't think about Dracula at all. I guess it's good as a reminder? On October 21 2010 13:05 HeavOnEarth wrote:This is going to end up with mafia/ or vamp starting a bandwagon unless we- GIVE A REASON FOR VOTING. Just look at last lynch, And the lynch before that. Hahaha, the irony of this. Look, he says GIVE A REASON FOR VOTING, and what does he do? Not give a reason for voting glurio or kitaman. Oh, this contradiction is quite delicious, don't ya think? And speaking of bandwagons... who always follows the bandwagons that go after blues/greens? Heavonearth. Hmmmmm, interesting. Basically, this dude is scum. He made ONE post, exactly ONE before voting on Veldril the first day. And that post basically said, I'm following BM and that's it. It added no content, and it was a bandwagon. The guy was trying to save his buddy Masq, that's all. Aside from that, he's accused Pandain... and then voted for Glurio. Fact is, he said Pandain was scummy for being wrong all the time, but he never voted for the panda. He NEVER gave a reason for voting Glurio. He just bandwagoned. Then, he voted for Hittegod and had a reason, but never explained why he switched to Kenpachi! This voting without explanation, and votes always seem to be town-aligned players makes him really seem scummy. I say lynch him. =/ Voting for him now. I've already voted for him. Seems like just bandwagoning stuff to stay low. Any way, by you're analysis, he will turn out vamp. That leaves a 4-5 with vamps still have their count dracula. Does vamps also still have a brute or they only had 1?
It's all theory to guess whether they still have more brutes left or not. =/ We can say that they most likely only had one, but with all the JoLs, idk. We can't tell. =/
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We don't know how many brutes there are.
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apparently there are more kenpachi votes than i thought. I love you guys
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Well, since some people are about to get modkilled YET AGAIN, anyone wanna throw up some guesses on their roles?
We can even start a little gambling, maybe get Rekrul in on the act, hahaha.
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No one? Well, my guess is Grandmoose for Red because of his inactivity. lol.
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lol modkills
night post coming shortly
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On October 25 2010 12:42 ghrur wrote:
Well, since some people are about to get modkilled YET AGAIN, anyone wanna throw up some guesses on their roles?
We can even start a little gambling, maybe get Rekrul in on the act, hahaha.
i bet you aztrorisk!
aztrorisk vs grandmoose gogo
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kitaman27
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If grandmoose, Iankill, Yogy, aztrorisk, and HeavenOnEarth all pop up scum, then we can win tonight! ^_^
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On October 25 2010 13:11 Kenpachi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2010 12:42 ghrur wrote:
Well, since some people are about to get modkilled YET AGAIN, anyone wanna throw up some guesses on their roles?
We can even start a little gambling, maybe get Rekrul in on the act, hahaha. i bet you aztrorisk! aztrorisk vs grandmoose gogo
I feel pity for you.
I'll give you 1.1-1 odds.
5 Liquidvania coins. Let's go.
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Fall of the Fifth Night24 hours remain...
HeavOnEarth stood on the center platform of the gallows, ready to be hung. As he fell and his neck snapped, the pillar from which he hung fell backward, crushing four onlookers. While the crowd was happy to slay a mafia scumbag, they mourned the loss of grandmoose, aztrorisk, and Yogy. Also killed was the vampire Iankill.
HeavOnEarth the Mafia Skeleton has been killed.
Iankill the Vampire Spawn has been modkilled.
aztrorisk the Zombie Detective has been modkilled.
Yogy the Zombie has been modkilled.
grandmoose the Zombie has been modkilled.
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Thank god HeavOnEarth flipped scum, he lasted WAY too long without a lynch.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Haha, finally HeavOnEarth gets killed off. I give him credit for being able to slip by so many lynches. I didn't even realize Iankill or Yogy were part of haunted mafia. Do they even have any posts? >.<
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