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+ Show Spoiler +On October 24 2010 15:02 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +Your posting history is stereotypical mafia IMO. Lot of "nothing" posts, some loose analysis here and there but don't really push anything, lots of questions or answering easy questions to feign activity. And in defense of yourself, you over-exaggerate"calling out" Aeres and MetalFace as well as the importance of your vote on Masq. At this point I'm quite confident you are not town. I realize you decided to pass over my strongest defense because you "don't feel like making an analysis of the vote right now", but when on day 3 when I cast my vote against Artanis[xp], the score was 11-11. Explain to me why I would go after him when the voting was so close? As for Masq, if I was vampire, wouldn't it be smart to bandwagon the alternative to Masq early to make it a viable lynch? You say I'm likely scum because there hasn't been someone that I've gone directly after, but isn't that what scum does? Don't they attack everyone to remove suspicion from themselves. If you want to go by clues, then how about the glaring one pointing you you? Is that why you are spending so much time going after me, because I brought up this connection? Show nested quote +Artanis[Xp] was polishing his hammer in the garage when he heard a sound like metal dragging on the ground. He turned quickly toward the source of the noise, but saw nothing. He shrugged and continued working on his hammer when he felt something brush against his neck, it had fallen lightly on him from the ceiling. He looked up to see red eyes glowing back at him. His assailant dropped onto his body, rending his body with huge claws. He was found later that morning chained to the wall, his jaw removed from his skull. ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/67408.jpg?1286845235) Is that not a flying metal object with claws hanging out of it? If you're town then you must realize all clues can be interpreted more than one way. Now you attack me for having empty posts. Lets look at yours. First off, your initial post isn't until 903 posts in. Show nested quote +-----------------------------------------
Original Message From Pandain:
GIVE ME THOUGHTS NOW YUM YUM
YUM YUM MONSTA DEMANDS BRAIN FOOD
Yum Yum ==> Food
Food ==> Sausage
Sausage ==> "Franks"
Frankenstein
Frankenstein also has no thoughts, meaning he would require others to feed him thoughts. He also has no tact, which in text would be represented with proper punctuation and capitalization and would demand such items without properly asking.
k 1 down 60 to go Show nested quote +If a role is denoted by ? of ? then the total number (and hence the number remaining) are unknown, and as such the host will not just give you the answer. It could even be 0 (though probably not as that's not any fun). It's planned by the host as part of the game balance, meaning that there are not 31 Frankensteins for example.
If Frankenstein is lynched he's dead. So leave Pandain alone. Show nested quote +Dude BB, I check mafia in the evening when I have time. It's how I roll, you know that.
Ironically Pandain's PM indicating he's Frankenstein reminded me this thing even started lol Show nested quote +Read pages 50+ for a good laugh. I just caught up on the BM mess. Funny stuff. And my posts are empty? Just because every single post wasn't some page long analysis, doesn't mean that I'm automatically scum. Everyone has some pointless banter, even you. I agree you had a few good posts with the voting analysis and the artanis clue, but every single one of my posts weren't empty either. Using your own logic, based on the clues and posts I should be quite confident you are not town.
you say
You say I'm likely scum because there hasn't been someone that I've gone directly after, but isn't that what scum does? Don't they attack everyone to remove suspicion from themselves.
Arent you just saying you are scum here? You're saying you do that and you're also saying scum does that. So umm, you;re saying you're scum.
Also whats with all those quotes you put. They don't even have a name that someone posted. One shows that it's pandians right but the next ones we dont know who those posts belong to.
I dont know why you are bring up Artanis here. He's already dead. You say If you want to go by clues, then how about the glaring one pointing you you? Is that why you are spending so much time going after me, because I brought up this connection? Which might mean that you are defending yourself from someone attack your clue connections However you saying
If you're town then you must realize all clues can be interpreted more than one way.
means that the one attacking you has a right to do so and your clue and thinking can be wrong anyway. So you defend yourself, and then you say the other guy is right that he can think about clues different ways.
So you admit to what a scum may post like and you admit that you post like a scum
And you try to defend yourself but at the same time, admit that you may be wrong
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This is why I don't like analyzing posting behaviour and whether they are red or green from that, because it leads into a bit of a WIFOM.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
You say I'm likely scum because there hasn't been someone that I've gone directly after, but isn't that what scum does? Don't they attack everyone to remove suspicion from themselves. Show nested quote +Arent you just saying you are scum here? You're saying you do that and you're also saying scum does that. So umm, you;re saying you're scum.
I think you misread that. SiNiquity says I'm scum because there is no one that I have directly attacked. I say directly attacking multiple people is a scummy action, which I never did. Thus, no I am not saying I'm scum.
Also whats with all those quotes you put. They don't even have a name that someone posted. One shows that it's pandians right but the next ones we dont know who those posts belong to.
All quotes obviously belonged to SiNiquity. The one you seem to be looking at was a nested quote that wasn't formatted. I'm not sure how that is even relevant though...
I dont know why you are bring up Artanis here. He's already dead.
Because when people die, they leave clues behind, which is what I posted. Did you even bother to read what I said?
You say Show nested quote +If you want to go by clues, then how about the glaring one pointing you you? Is that why you are spending so much time going after me, because I brought up this connection? Which might mean that you are defending yourself from someone attack your clue connections However you saying Show nested quote +If you're town then you must realize all clues can be interpreted more than one way. means that the one attacking you has a right to do so and your clue and thinking can be wrong anyway. So you defend yourself, and then you say the other guy is right that he can think about clues different ways.
No, I'm pointing out that by SiNiquity's logic, if I'm scum that he would also be scum. If he is town then I'm hoping he can connect the fact that obvious clues don't always point to scum, also shown by the straightforward baseball bat clue.
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why are people throwing their votes away
the two main wagons right now are kitaman and heavonearth (what happened to kenpachi anyway?)
why is, for example, flicky voting siniquity out of nowhere? this is as good as abstaining. vote.
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btw the town circle can still use people who want to be DT checked tonight.
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@kitaman27
You seem reasonable, so I'm going to level with you. There's a clue that resembles your profile on several levels (picture, quotes). Is this dead certain? No, as you pointed out the obvious baseball bat clue for Hittegods was a red herring, which is why I was interested in your defense.
You made several strong claims which I didn't really recall from the thread (but as memory is hazy and this thread is huge, I went to double check). I'm glad the Artanis one did check out, and that does make me believe that you're far less likely to be mafia. You'll have to forgive me for not doing it myself - after doing the day 1 lynch I really didn't want to look at the vote thread any more. The most exonerating piece of evidence, though, would have been a push for Masq either at the beginning, or in the middle when he still had a real chance of being lynched. Does the fact that this doesn't hold condemn you? No - heck I even voted after you. But without it I didn't feel that it really added to your defense. So I proceeded onto your next claim:
If you look back at my clue analysis I have called out both Aeres, a mafia, and MetalFace, a vamp.
But you didn't ever really call either player out. Here's Aeres:
On October 12 2010 09:20 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2010 09:14 SouthRawrea wrote:Now I could be wrong and there could be someone here with a reference to FF7 in which case I would link the death post to Omni-slash Aeres is a homophone for Aeris, but to be honest, I just don't really see the omnislash reference being that concrete.
And MetalFace you mentioned only in passing, a single line in a post naming many other names (yes, mine included). Neither of these makes for a strong defense, yet you represent them as such. I know town and mafia can swing either way with regard to posting / voting patterns (WIFOM and all that jazz), and I'm not basing my decision on useless banter as everyone, myself included, is guilty of that. But the over-exaggeration just doesn't sit right with me. It seems dishonest.
So level with me. Why overstate calling out these players?
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Although kenpachi and HeavOnEarth all seem scummy to me, the new evidence against kitaman is quite strong. Also, since the clues against kitaman are derived from Aeres' kill then kitaman has a great chance of turning up vampire. We need a vampire kill right now so kitaman is our best bet.
@annul: if people "throw away" their votes on arbitrary players to make a point and to abstain at the same time. Flicky might just want to draw attention to the possibility of Siniquity being scum and is also indecisive on who to vote.
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i mean you can draw attention through thread posts. siniquity has been under fos for a while now too. but still it is a wasted vote because in this cycle, with 7 hrs left, sin isnt gonna be lynched. not voting on the main wagons just makes me think you cant commit to one because you dont want to be analyzed if the other pops red
i mean maybe it can be good if you really have no idea and cant contribute but in that case you may as well just take the modkill since you arent playing anyway
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but who the fuck knows ive been awake 38 hours i am not making sense
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
But you didn't ever really call either player out. Here's Aeres:
Fair enough, I didn't realize until after I posted it that my discovery of Aeres's clue wasn't posted in the thread. I wasn't even thinking of that other post. About two days ago after looking back at the clues here is what I noticed:
Somewhere deep in the town, bumatlarge was sitting alone at a bar at midnight. He wasn't alone, there was another man sitting in the corner. The man stared at bum, making him nervous and jittery. As he started pounding down more drinks the man approached him. He was thin and gaunt, he appeared to be a scholar of some sort. The man finally spoke
I really love to read. I'll read pretty much anything that I find interesting, and that's a lot of shit. World War II historical accounts, War and Peace, Dante's Inferno, anything by W.E.B. Griffin/Steve Berry, Stel Pavlou's "Decipher", astronomy textbooks, "Uncle John's Bathroom Reader" series... you name it, I'll probably read it.
I pm'd someone with the clue since they said in a pm that they knew someone who knew a Dt. (I'm not sure if they want to reveal themselves to confirm or not, but it would be appreciated). They replied with a simple "thanks" and I never heard back. Then two days latter Aeres pops up dead with no further mention of his name. I'm not exactly sure what they did with the clue I gave them, whether they checked him or somehow leaked it or if Aeres being targeted just happened to be a coincidence, but I realize now that it was a mistake to not mention it here. I wanted proof from a dt or mad scientist before I went after him since he seemed clean from his posts, but I never heard back.
And MetalFace you mentioned only in passing, a single line in a post naming many other names (yes, mine included). Neither of these makes for a strong defense, yet you represent them as such. I know town and mafia can swing either way with regard to posting / voting patterns (WIFOM and all that jazz), and I'm not basing my decision on useless banter as everyone, myself included, is guilty of that. But the over-exaggeration just doesn't sit right with me. It seems dishonest.
I admit you can call pointing out the MetalFace reference weak, but if I was vampire, why wouldn't I just omit it? No one would ever notice if I did.
I guess it comes down to whether you want to go after someone who is actually trying to defend himself or someone who has been skating by for days as a lurker.
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On October 25 2010 03:31 Nemesis wrote:
This is why I don't like analyzing posting behaviour and whether they are red or green from that, because it leads into a bit of a WIFOM.
if you know what you're doing it really doesn't have to involve the wifom part and just go with pure logic, with practice i say and parlay parlay
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I'm not voting kitaman or heavonearth. You guys are voting him because of dumb clue analysis.
kenpachi is scummy as shit, HE BANDWAGONS AGAIN, he hasn't contribued jackshit to this discussion, and you're letting him live again.
I refuse to vote for people that the only thing you have on them is clues
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ok so when one of them flips red, you are a red, ok? thats what that logic tells me
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Kenpachi is still holding my vote. Nothing has changed from the other day to really persuade me to do otherwise. I don't understand what you guys are seeing in the new clues that are better than what we have on Kenpachi. He has not contributed anything or properly defended himself even after the heat was turned up on him.
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While I do like all of the new evidence that has cropped up, I don't like that HeavOnEarth has been in the radar, but untouched for the last few days. My vote is going to stay with him, as it has been.
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On October 25 2010 06:20 annul wrote:
ok so when one of them flips red, you are a red, ok? thats what that logic tells me
So because I'm voting for who I think is scum, I'm red if someone else flips scum?
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On October 25 2010 06:10 KhrisKruel wrote:
I'm not voting kitaman or heavonearth. You guys are voting him because of dumb clue analysis.
kenpachi is scummy as shit, HE BANDWAGONS AGAIN, he hasn't contribued jackshit to this discussion, and you're letting him live again.
I refuse to vote for people that the only thing you have on them is clues
what the hell are you talking about i tried to provide clues on Night 4..
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yes you are red if someone else flips scum because you are not making a vote that actually means a thing
the race is between kitaman and heavonearth. in fact i agree, kenpachi is scum. but voting for him is like not voting today.
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IMO, HeavOnEarth has had suspicion on him far too long without a lynch. I can no longer see justification for keeping him alive any longer.
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On October 25 2010 05:56 kitaman27 wrote:Fair enough, I didn't realize until after I posted it that my discovery of Aeres's clue wasn't posted in the thread. I wasn't even thinking of that other post. About two days ago after looking back at the clues here is what I noticed: Show nested quote +
Somewhere deep in the town, bumatlarge was sitting alone at a bar at midnight. He wasn't alone, there was another man sitting in the corner. The man stared at bum, making him nervous and jittery. As he started pounding down more drinks the man approached him. He was thin and gaunt, he appeared to be a scholar of some sort. The man finally spoke
Show nested quote +
I really love to read. I'll read pretty much anything that I find interesting, and that's a lot of shit. World War II historical accounts, War and Peace, Dante's Inferno, anything by W.E.B. Griffin/Steve Berry, Stel Pavlou's "Decipher", astronomy textbooks, "Uncle John's Bathroom Reader" series... you name it, I'll probably read it.
I pm'd someone with the clue since they said in a pm that they knew someone who knew a Dt. (I'm not sure if they want to reveal themselves to confirm or not, but it would be appreciated). They replied with a simple "thanks" and I never heard back. Then two days latter Aeres pops up dead with no further mention of his name. I'm not exactly sure what they did with the clue I gave them, whether they checked him or somehow leaked it or if Aeres being targeted just happened to be a coincidence, but I realize now that it was a mistake to not mention it here. I wanted proof from a dt or mad scientist before I went after him since he seemed clean from his posts, but I never heard back. Show nested quote +And MetalFace you mentioned only in passing, a single line in a post naming many other names (yes, mine included). Neither of these makes for a strong defense, yet you represent them as such. I know town and mafia can swing either way with regard to posting / voting patterns (WIFOM and all that jazz), and I'm not basing my decision on useless banter as everyone, myself included, is guilty of that. But the over-exaggeration just doesn't sit right with me. It seems dishonest. I admit you can call pointing out the MetalFace reference weak, but if I was vampire, why wouldn't I just omit it? No one would ever notice if I did. I guess it comes down to whether you want to go after someone who is actually trying to defend himself or someone who has been skating by for days as a lurker.
hmm. I'm trying to concoct a scenario where it would make sense to lie about calling out Aeres publicly, only to backtrack on that and lie about calling him out in a PM, and that just doesn't make sense. So I believe the PM bit. The question then is would scum out someone in PM land and not publicly? The whole scenario seems far-fetched. Why? To build up some kinda trust relationship?
At the same time, you PM someone you suspect player X, they say "thanks" and a couple days later player X gets killed by vampires (as player X was mafia), and then don't think to mention it? :\ Guess that hinges on why the PM bit was established in the first place, which if you wanted public would have already divulged.
In any case, this is enough to convince me. There's still the clue, but perhaps new evidence will help connect it to another player.
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