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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 00:24 GMT
#2561
Probably LM or Vayne are my favoured vig shots right now. If I was vig I'd be choosing between those 2 I think.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
September 24 2013 00:25 GMT
#2562
On September 24 2013 09:20 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Marv I would like to know why you think Risen doesn't deserve to be shot.
As far as I know I don't think my shot list has changed in the past few hours.
I will do a list of reads before daypost as well just in case....once upon a time I would say there's no point because I never get killed N1 but in recent games....


Well. meh. Firstly he made a comment about VA being likely dead with the daypost. So, um, mm.

Secondly his attack on me kinda came from left-field. Saying I don't make filler as town is kinda so hilariously wrong, pulling that as mafia... I dunno, it's ballsy? I'm not generally suspicious at all (just based on how other players are viewing me) so it's not like he's pouring fuel on the fire or anything.

So I at least have reasons for him living through the night so I can see more of him tomorrow.

How many vig claims have we had now? I remember someone saying earlier that they have believed exactly ZERO of the, what, 5 claims or something we've seen so far? And for good reason imo.

The issue becomes, how do you know you're GOING to be seeing more of him tomorrow? I am wary of giving too many players free passes to 'see' what they will do because that will often bite one in the ass (ie Kush). I'm not even sure I agree that his out-of-left field attack on you is ballsy at all. I don't know if scum have a reason to fear you atm. You've done a lot of decent posting, but not a lot of pushing/accusing, let's say? TBH I don't know who scum are afraid of atm. I can't really think of the major active posters who has done a great deal of pushing aside from maybe yamato.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 24 2013 00:25 GMT
#2563
I'd still rather ft be shot.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 00:29 GMT
#2564
Wave, there are enough decent vigi shots that I don't mind ruling some of the borderline ones out.

If scum let me live tomorrow in a situation where I'm not fighting with my back to the wall like I often am it seems these days, then I'll be quite happy.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Cephiro
Profile Joined May 2011
Finland1934 Posts
September 24 2013 00:30 GMT
#2565
On September 24 2013 08:08 marvellosity wrote:
Risen is on really hard drugs if he's town.

Anyway, Cephiro, unlike Chairman ray, has been around a long time and should definitely know better:

Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 09:53 Cephiro wrote:
Wow shit. So many pages to catch up on. If I am not mistaken, it should be 4 hours until deadline? I'll do my best to read as much as I can, but I'll try to skim through so I can get a proper vote today. It will be a sheepish vote most likely since I don't have time to make a case.

I'm going to be busy during early next week (the next few days), but I will try to be actively on for a few hours at least so that you can get a proper read on me, and that I'm able to pressure some scum properly.

(This is what I get for doing irl stuffs and playing too much dota. >.>)


This never happens. He does a vote on LoneMeow and then peaces out. very much not what the bolded suggests. And, unlike Ray, this happened within a considerably shorter timespan

Here's some kind of explanation for it:

Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote:
Here until deadline now. Left before the nightpost since I was so pissed at the situation. (Deadline-thing) Still haven't caught up completely but doing my best. Sucks to see that we lynched a parity cop -_- Couldn't have started much worse. Questions I'll be fine with, I'll read the rest as quickly as I can to give you my thoughts on who is scum.


I don't buy this at all. He's pissed at the situation, except he's been too busy to play the game because he's been playing too much dota?

How pissed can you be at the situation when you've basically stuck your middle finger up at the game already? It feels really unnatural.

I think Cephiro has a pretty decent chance of being mafia.



As I mentioned even at pre-game, I would be very busy at least during the first few cycles of the game. I really wanted to participate in another large-scale game ( a normal one for a change), but the fact is that I like to contribute but I haven't been able to do that as much as I would have wanted. There has been more activity than I was expecting to be able to handle properly. I'd rather read 50 pages properly and try to catch up than skim through 100 and post some bullshit. I still have multiple tens of pages to read through.

Why exactly have I stuck my middle finger up at the game already? Am I that much of a jerk for having a real life, and wanting to play some dota? Yes, I can admit this game has not been my #1 priority. Does that make me scum? No. As scum, there is nothing that I enjoy more than coming up with the most devious plan to bend town over again and again and fuck them in every hole possible without them even knowing I did. Lurking would be very sub-optimal to do that.

Anyway, I won't delve further into that but continue catching up instead. Here are some short notices that I have made (I have properly read through up to page 80.)

kushm4sta: Terrible play, doesn't give a shit and openly admits it. But constantly pops in every once a while to say something, why?

Coagulation: Seems too confident for someone who doesn't contribute at all.

[UoN]Sentinel: A lot of useless posts and bad reasoning in general.

VayneAuthority: This is more what I'd call giving the middle finger to the game, doing nothing but posting some rp shit?

justanothertownie: Seems to be easily swayed in his opinions, the way he posts gives me the feeling that he wants his presence to be acknowledge but not really noticed.

I will not be able to catch up the whole thread until deadline, but if I live on I am catching up and being of better use for the town.

marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 00:31 GMT
#2566
It's interesting Ceph, because you kinda address my case at length, and yet manage to miss the salient points of it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
September 24 2013 00:35 GMT
#2567
On September 24 2013 09:30 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 08:08 marvellosity wrote:
Risen is on really hard drugs if he's town.

Anyway, Cephiro, unlike Chairman ray, has been around a long time and should definitely know better:

On September 23 2013 09:53 Cephiro wrote:
Wow shit. So many pages to catch up on. If I am not mistaken, it should be 4 hours until deadline? I'll do my best to read as much as I can, but I'll try to skim through so I can get a proper vote today. It will be a sheepish vote most likely since I don't have time to make a case.

I'm going to be busy during early next week (the next few days), but I will try to be actively on for a few hours at least so that you can get a proper read on me, and that I'm able to pressure some scum properly.

(This is what I get for doing irl stuffs and playing too much dota. >.>)


This never happens. He does a vote on LoneMeow and then peaces out. very much not what the bolded suggests. And, unlike Ray, this happened within a considerably shorter timespan

Here's some kind of explanation for it:

On September 24 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote:
Here until deadline now. Left before the nightpost since I was so pissed at the situation. (Deadline-thing) Still haven't caught up completely but doing my best. Sucks to see that we lynched a parity cop -_- Couldn't have started much worse. Questions I'll be fine with, I'll read the rest as quickly as I can to give you my thoughts on who is scum.


I don't buy this at all. He's pissed at the situation, except he's been too busy to play the game because he's been playing too much dota?

How pissed can you be at the situation when you've basically stuck your middle finger up at the game already? It feels really unnatural.

I think Cephiro has a pretty decent chance of being mafia.



As I mentioned even at pre-game, I would be very busy at least during the first few cycles of the game. I really wanted to participate in another large-scale game ( a normal one for a change), but the fact is that I like to contribute but I haven't been able to do that as much as I would have wanted. There has been more activity than I was expecting to be able to handle properly. I'd rather read 50 pages properly and try to catch up than skim through 100 and post some bullshit. I still have multiple tens of pages to read through.

Why exactly have I stuck my middle finger up at the game already? Am I that much of a jerk for having a real life, and wanting to play some dota? Yes, I can admit this game has not been my #1 priority. Does that make me scum? No. As scum, there is nothing that I enjoy more than coming up with the most devious plan to bend town over again and again and fuck them in every hole possible without them even knowing I did. Lurking would be very sub-optimal to do that.

Anyway, I won't delve further into that but continue catching up instead. Here are some short notices that I have made (I have properly read through up to page 80.)

kushm4sta: Terrible play, doesn't give a shit and openly admits it. But constantly pops in every once a while to say something, why?

Coagulation: Seems too confident for someone who doesn't contribute at all.

[UoN]Sentinel: A lot of useless posts and bad reasoning in general.

VayneAuthority: This is more what I'd call giving the middle finger to the game, doing nothing but posting some rp shit?

justanothertownie: Seems to be easily swayed in his opinions, the way he posts gives me the feeling that he wants his presence to be acknowledge but not really noticed.

I will not be able to catch up the whole thread until deadline, but if I live on I am catching up and being of better use for the town.
I sense a pattern here.
Why is it when people make list posts they tend to outline the 'easy' reads?
Sorry Ceph, you're still a vig for me---this post tells us absolutely dick all and you haven't helped out this game in the slightest. It would be a shame if you're town, but honestly this bare modicum of effort makes me actually think scum.

Good vig shot here ladies and gents.

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
September 24 2013 00:36 GMT
#2568
EBWOP
On September 24 2013 09:30 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 08:08 marvellosity wrote:
Risen is on really hard drugs if he's town.

Anyway, Cephiro, unlike Chairman ray, has been around a long time and should definitely know better:

On September 23 2013 09:53 Cephiro wrote:
Wow shit. So many pages to catch up on. If I am not mistaken, it should be 4 hours until deadline? I'll do my best to read as much as I can, but I'll try to skim through so I can get a proper vote today. It will be a sheepish vote most likely since I don't have time to make a case.

I'm going to be busy during early next week (the next few days), but I will try to be actively on for a few hours at least so that you can get a proper read on me, and that I'm able to pressure some scum properly.

(This is what I get for doing irl stuffs and playing too much dota. >.>)


This never happens. He does a vote on LoneMeow and then peaces out. very much not what the bolded suggests. And, unlike Ray, this happened within a considerably shorter timespan

Here's some kind of explanation for it:

On September 24 2013 07:03 Cephiro wrote:
Here until deadline now. Left before the nightpost since I was so pissed at the situation. (Deadline-thing) Still haven't caught up completely but doing my best. Sucks to see that we lynched a parity cop -_- Couldn't have started much worse. Questions I'll be fine with, I'll read the rest as quickly as I can to give you my thoughts on who is scum.


I don't buy this at all. He's pissed at the situation, except he's been too busy to play the game because he's been playing too much dota?

How pissed can you be at the situation when you've basically stuck your middle finger up at the game already? It feels really unnatural.

I think Cephiro has a pretty decent chance of being mafia.



As I mentioned even at pre-game, I would be very busy at least during the first few cycles of the game. I really wanted to participate in another large-scale game ( a normal one for a change), but the fact is that I like to contribute but I haven't been able to do that as much as I would have wanted. There has been more activity than I was expecting to be able to handle properly. I'd rather read 50 pages properly and try to catch up than skim through 100 and post some bullshit. I still have multiple tens of pages to read through.

Why exactly have I stuck my middle finger up at the game already? Am I that much of a jerk for having a real life, and wanting to play some dota? Yes, I can admit this game has not been my #1 priority. Does that make me scum? No. As scum, there is nothing that I enjoy more than coming up with the most devious plan to bend town over again and again and fuck them in every hole possible without them even knowing I did. Lurking would be very sub-optimal to do that.

Anyway, I won't delve further into that but continue catching up instead. Here are some short notices that I have made (I have properly read through up to page 80.)

kushm4sta: Terrible play, doesn't give a shit and openly admits it. But constantly pops in every once a while to say something, why?

Coagulation: Seems too confident for someone who doesn't contribute at all.

[UoN]Sentinel: A lot of useless posts and bad reasoning in general.

VayneAuthority: This is more what I'd call giving the middle finger to the game, doing nothing but posting some rp shit?

justanothertownie: Seems to be easily swayed in his opinions, the way he posts gives me the feeling that he wants his presence to be acknowledge but not really noticed.

I will not be able to catch up the whole thread until deadline, but if I live on I am catching up and being of better use for the town.

I sense a pattern here.
Why is it when people make list posts they tend to outline the 'easy' reads?
Sorry Ceph, you're still a vig for me---this post tells us absolutely dick all and you haven't helped out this game in the slightest. It would be a shame if you're town, but honestly this bare modicum of effort makes me actually think scum.

Good vig shot here ladies and gents.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 00:39 GMT
#2569
Is Cephiro a better vig shot than BH Wave?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 00:42 GMT
#2570
I'm going to do a super-lazy list with a bit of time before bed so people can ask me about it if they like.

People I have coloured in town in my spreadsheet (anywhere from a strong read to a weakish one). I guess in some kind of order:

yamato
DP
Wave
coag
geript
Mattchew
VE
Koshi

People without a colour. Either null, slight lean either way, or conflicting reasons:

rayn
BH
kush
decon
malongo
Vayne
Risen
Zaragon
jat
umasi
mocsta

All of this lot above could be mafia, some maybe more likely than others. Most of it is just that I need to see more from them (for heavy posters like rayn and moc, that just means i can't get a solid lean yet)

People I'm suspicious of:

FT
Pandain
Cephiro
Stutters
Sentinel
LM

Probably there'll be movement between the bottom two lists the most if I live. It's possible some of the townreads will move down, but that's less likely.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
September 24 2013 00:43 GMT
#2571
On September 24 2013 09:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Is Cephiro a better vig shot than BH Wave?

In my opinion, yes, though it might be due to personal bias.
I can follow BH pretty damn well whereas Ceph I have only played in one game with him and was particularly invested in what he had to say.

BH has an excuse for not posting a great deal thus far since he wasn't actually IN the game and I ACTUALLY expect him to follow up. Ceph I have no idea whether he will or not.

Why do you ask, my dear?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 00:43 GMT
#2572
I missed out OO. He's coloured in town but I'm more unsure of that today than I was yesterday.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 00:45 GMT
#2573
Mr CC too! I have him coloured in town. Curses.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
September 24 2013 00:45 GMT
#2574
im considering witholding my shot.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 00:45 GMT
#2575
if you're a vig, i think you really should shoot.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 24 2013 00:46 GMT
#2576
Marv if you die I promise to be all try hard and shit on Wednesday. Speaking of OO, I had suspicion of him but I forget why.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 00:49 GMT
#2577
OO was pretty involved on day 1, far more than I expect a scum-Obvious to be; one thing I noticed is that there is little coherent suspicion within this involvement, which makes me a little unsure. Also absence today. I'd still bet on town, but not as strongly as i felt about it yesterday.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 00:49 GMT
#2578
On September 24 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 09:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Is Cephiro a better vig shot than BH Wave?

In my opinion, yes, though it might be due to personal bias.
I can follow BH pretty damn well whereas Ceph I have only played in one game with him and was particularly invested in what he had to say.

BH has an excuse for not posting a great deal thus far since he wasn't actually IN the game and I ACTUALLY expect him to follow up. Ceph I have no idea whether he will or not.

Why do you ask, my dear?

Because BH posted an even more useless list and has done far less than Cephiro. Yes, he's had less time, but I find it hard to believe that an entire night cycle passes in which he says nothing as town when he's known as a decent player. :/

I mean, I guess maybe my expectations could be too high for the guy, but I just have a hard time seeing town in BH's play so far.

That being said I agree with you: between the two I'd say Ceph is a better Vig target, but ONLY because BH is replacing in and I love to hear the opinions of external viewpoints when trying to figure out the game.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
September 24 2013 00:53 GMT
#2579
On September 24 2013 09:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 09:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 24 2013 09:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
Is Cephiro a better vig shot than BH Wave?

In my opinion, yes, though it might be due to personal bias.
I can follow BH pretty damn well whereas Ceph I have only played in one game with him and was particularly invested in what he had to say.

BH has an excuse for not posting a great deal thus far since he wasn't actually IN the game and I ACTUALLY expect him to follow up. Ceph I have no idea whether he will or not.

Why do you ask, my dear?

Because BH posted an even more useless list and has done far less than Cephiro. Yes, he's had less time, but I find it hard to believe that an entire night cycle passes in which he says nothing as town when he's known as a decent player. :/

I mean, I guess maybe my expectations could be too high for the guy, but I just have a hard time seeing town in BH's play so far.

That being said I agree with you: between the two I'd say Ceph is a better Vig target, but ONLY because BH is replacing in and I love to hear the opinions of external viewpoints when trying to figure out the game.

BH doesn't always do what is expected of him as town. Look at Aperture.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 00:53 GMT
#2580
Granted. I'm eagerly awaiting is input.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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