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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 23 2013 23:56 GMT
#2541
giving more solid scum reads and lists of scum and long reasoned posts... posting as if this is your last chance to direct town towards your reads
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 23 2013 23:57 GMT
#2542
On September 24 2013 08:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Everyone should always post as if they're not gonna get shot. If everyone did, then scum would have a REALLY REALLY hard time keeping up.

Anyway, the question becomes: do you think he's scum or don't you? After saying it and then explaining the thought-process behind it, you never really gave me a conclusion. I find that WAY weirder than anything marv's doing.

And by weird, I mean scummy.

hes on my scum team a few posts ago
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 23 2013 23:58 GMT
#2543
On September 24 2013 08:56 Mattchew wrote:
giving more solid scum reads and lists of scum and long reasoned posts... posting as if this is your last chance to direct town towards your reads


If I had lists to give, i'd give them.

And there is so much in my filter offering thoughts on various other players.

It's why I didn't just shout at Risen, I researched Cephiro *while* I was shouting at Risen.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 24 2013 00:00 GMT
#2544
i also cant tell if marv has calmed down with troll-like playstyles and lurkers or is just apathetic to them this game cause scum
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 00:01 GMT
#2545
On September 24 2013 08:37 Mattchew wrote:
i dont know if VE can martyr and be this depressing as scum

my vote stayed on yamato because he didn't overreact to a lynch push on him, he didnt even call me scum for voting him, he hasnt been super aggressive the whole game

wave should be medic'd

DP has to be town theres no way scum gets that upset about an apparent mod mistake town lynch

Mocsta is clearly town

i could see a scum team of marv, yamato, firm tofu, stutters, a replaced player, and a lurker

this FT post is long but literally says nothing.
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 23 2013 19:23 FirmTofu wrote:
Finally got some decent reads. :D

Firstly, I want to address the vigi situation.

As a vigilante you want to shoot the people who are currently useless and are unlikely to become useful in the future. I'll go through a few people and address the value of shooting them.

We have recent replacement inactives in Malongo, Deconduo, and Blazinghand. These guys deserve some time to catch up to the thread. Their deaths would not serve a higher purpose in the short-term.

Then we have people like VayneAuthority, kush, and VE. These are people that are capable of strong town games, but are currently either just trolling or posting with a subdued interest. I would say that this group of people becomes more easy to read as the game progresses, hence they aren't the best vig shots.

Tier 3 are people who are sitting in the semi-lurker category, but have some posts of substance. I would include Pandain, JAT, Mr.CC, Zaragon, Sentinel, Umasi, Stutters, and a few others I can't remember in this grouping. I believe that this group probably holds the majority of the scumteam. These are people that want to stay just above lurker territory so as to avoid suspicion. I think most of these guys would be good vig shots as long as some discretion is used.

Finally you have the completely useless. These are people that aren't trying to get better and aren't going to play better when asked. They are either hardcore lurking or posting little to no substance. Examples include Risen, Coag, and Lonemeow. Anyone who is in this category is a decent shot from a vig perspective, but is less likely to be scum than the previous category I mentioned.



no i will not give my reasoning for marv being scum... plus if im wrong which i probably am because i suck at marvreading, he'll be dead soon enough

Yeah, I'm not sure why I thought you were undecided or unsure about marv's alignment. :/
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 00:01 GMT
#2546
On September 24 2013 09:00 Mattchew wrote:
i also cant tell if marv has calmed down with troll-like playstyles and lurkers or is just apathetic to them this game cause scum


This post is suspicious, because it demonstrates you've not really been reading my posts at all.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 24 2013 00:03 GMT
#2547
i have, if you think you've gotten mad at risen and VA this game, you have forgotten the shitfests you've thrown in the past
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 24 2013 00:05 GMT
#2548
On September 24 2013 07:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 07:58 Risen wrote:
On September 24 2013 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why don't you tell us Risen? Has it reached that point with marv yet? Do you think he's scum directing conversation/filling post history? Or do you think he's town conversing with me about inane stuff?

I don't know or I would have posted with much more conviction. If I die marv would be the first person I would want lynched after VA/FT, though. If he flips red I think it makes you look much worse. Equally you flipping red makes him look much worse imo

Would you like some wish to go with your wash?

God for some reason that is STILL making me laugh.
Don't be scum VE, k? I don't want to be rid of you.

5 pages to go but I'm here till Daypost, watching Worlds.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1832 Posts
September 24 2013 00:08 GMT
#2549
don't forget to send me your night actions bbys
ATOBTTR
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 00:08 GMT
#2550
I'm not, but I'll try and show it more clearly moving forward.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 24 2013 00:09 GMT
#2551
On September 24 2013 08:24 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 00:30 justanothertownie wrote:
What I don't really understand is this:
On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Honestly DP I have a question for you.
Are you town?
If so, do you want to be killed N1?
Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.)

All of the above questions lead to these ones:
Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back?
If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses?

What is the intention behind this? I must admit that I don't know DPs meta but it is not very townie to call someone out for trying hard as a townie.

Here JAT misrepresents WoS' post too fabricate a suspicion of him.



Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 04:22 justanothertownie wrote:
Nope. Not really. It seems to me like it is very important to know the meta of most of the players and in many cases I don't. Based on what has been written in the thread so far I don't really have any scumread right now.

Here he excuses himself from making town reads.


Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:
On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game?

Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game.

Another example of how JAT is playing this game. Basically sitting in the thread, waiting for people to say shit that is scummy, and pouncing on it. I call it "nitpicking."

lynch plz
~~~
Also after reading ft's filter I'm really not seeing the scumminess. He goes really in depth about his thought process in several posts. What was his last scum game? Because there probably won't be any posts like this in it:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 19:07 FirmTofu wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 22 2013 19:00 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 18:51 FirmTofu wrote:
On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote:
DP.

Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied.

Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started?

I know this isn't addressed to me, but I would like to take a moment to address it. I hope you don't mind.

As scum, I would use DP as a tool. I know DP is respected in this community and has the ability to sway lynches in his direction regardless of alignment. Assuming DP is town and I am scum, I would latch on to DP and win his trust. Then, I would exchange reads about other players and slowly convince him to vote whoever I wanted him to vote, essentially leading him astray.

As town, I am more interested in determining his alignment.

You can see which path I chose to take.

Yeah dunno.. your posting is really reading forced to me. That alone doesn't make you scum.

I can't follow the above though, regardless of forced/non-forced consciousness... its a lot of talk.
As scum I would manipulate player X to be my puppet.. etc etc
Very few scum players have that skillset to proactively choose a player to influence; most adapt to the situation as it unfolds. So the above reads as total bullshit to me.

Fair enough. I'll give you an example. An extremely relevant one at that.

VE has basically been defending DP the entire game. DP, naturally, seems to have no qualms with VE. In fact, I'm fairly sure DP thinks VE is town.

Assuming this is true, we must conclude that DP will give VE's opinion more weight compared to the average player in this thread. After all, VE is his town read and town are usually more reliable than scum. If VE is able to convince DP to change his vote on ANYONE, he has already demonstrated that his buddying allowed him to influence DP's vote. In the event that VE is scum, VE can use DP as the voice for his vote, allowing DP to take the brunt of the blame when things go wrong.

He's got a couple other posts like that too.

Good post, except most of what you've done this game is come in, shit on somebody for a couple posts, then leave.
Unsure whether I should bother considering this as a result.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 24 2013 00:12 GMT
#2552
On September 24 2013 08:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew for the record, anything I'm capable of as town I'm capable of as scum. It's what makes me so dangerous as scum.

I really hate posts like this.
DP does that shit all the time too.
And marv.

Stop making posts like this people, they do not help anyone make any sort of read into you.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 00:13 GMT
#2553
On September 24 2013 09:03 Mattchew wrote:
i have, if you think you've gotten mad at risen and VA this game, you have forgotten the shitfests you've thrown in the past


Everyone grows up at least a tiny bit, Mattchew.

Would it make you feel better if I made a nice list with explanations of pretty much everyone in the game?

I'm actually fairly happy to do so, but my reads aren't full of confidence in many respects.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 00:13 GMT
#2554
On September 24 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 08:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew for the record, anything I'm capable of as town I'm capable of as scum. It's what makes me so dangerous as scum.

I really hate posts like this.
DP does that shit all the time too.
And marv.

Stop making posts like this people, they do not help anyone make any sort of read into you.

Well he's saying I'm town for shitty reasons.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 24 2013 00:15 GMT
#2555
Marv I would like to know why you think Risen doesn't deserve to be shot.
As far as I know I don't think my shot list has changed in the past few hours.
I will do a list of reads before daypost as well just in case....once upon a time I would say there's no point because I never get killed N1 but in recent games....
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 24 2013 00:15 GMT
#2556
On September 24 2013 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 24 2013 08:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew for the record, anything I'm capable of as town I'm capable of as scum. It's what makes me so dangerous as scum.

I really hate posts like this.
DP does that shit all the time too.
And marv.

Stop making posts like this people, they do not help anyone make any sort of read into you.

Well he's saying I'm town for shitty reasons.

or not, and you are just thinking very highly of yourself
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 24 2013 00:17 GMT
#2557
Mattchew I'm wondering if I should move you down a tier or not on my shot list. What do you think?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 24 2013 00:17 GMT
#2558
anyone have any questions for me i have a seminar in like 20 minutes and i wont be around until after deadline after that
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
September 24 2013 00:19 GMT
#2559
On September 24 2013 09:15 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2013 09:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 24 2013 09:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
On September 24 2013 08:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mattchew for the record, anything I'm capable of as town I'm capable of as scum. It's what makes me so dangerous as scum.

I really hate posts like this.
DP does that shit all the time too.
And marv.

Stop making posts like this people, they do not help anyone make any sort of read into you.

Well he's saying I'm town for shitty reasons.

or not, and you are just thinking very highly of yourself

No I like my interpretation better. Not surprisingly.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 24 2013 00:20 GMT
#2560
On September 24 2013 09:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Marv I would like to know why you think Risen doesn't deserve to be shot.
As far as I know I don't think my shot list has changed in the past few hours.
I will do a list of reads before daypost as well just in case....once upon a time I would say there's no point because I never get killed N1 but in recent games....


Well. meh. Firstly he made a comment about VA being likely dead with the daypost. So, um, mm.

Secondly his attack on me kinda came from left-field. Saying I don't make filler as town is kinda so hilariously wrong, pulling that as mafia... I dunno, it's ballsy? I'm not generally suspicious at all (just based on how other players are viewing me) so it's not like he's pouring fuel on the fire or anything.

So I at least have reasons for him living through the night so I can see more of him tomorrow.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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