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On September 24 2013 08:18 Pandain wrote:
I'm going to stop at the above, however, as I just read in context that you were responding to Marv asking for your previous reads. So your posts about what you had believed, rather than what you currently believe after reading everything, makes sense.
Okay I'm going to continue reading.
-.- now every time I see my name I dunno if you're being serious or not. In this case, I think you are :p
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I agree with your assessment. Like, "because I was pissed at the situation" doesn't really even make sense. What was there to be pissed about? And look at his reasoning for voting LoneMeow:
On September 23 2013 11:01 Cephiro wrote:
Okay, voting for LoneMeow because:
1) He's appareantly a new player I have no idea of
2) He started martyring which is something I dislike
3) This Ray guy on a quick look doesn't look like he should be killed
4) I have no idea about this FirmTofu guy
5) Some other wagons that were in the last votecount have players that I'm familiar with and am able to read during nightphase
How about 6) I think he's scum?
None of the reasons have anything to do with finding or killing scum. I can't even understand why he thinks any of the reasons he gave excuse his off-voting in the first place.
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EBWOP:
And look at 3 and 4...why not give a quick look on "this FirmTofu guy"? If being a new player he has no idea of (Number 1) is a lynchable offense, why wouldn't FT fit the bill as well?
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marv im reading like 20 pages can you do me a favor in the meantime.
im a little out of the loop on tl mafia, can you list who the experienced players are in this game, i know most i think but i want a full list
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yeah, it basically all smells.
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or VE you can do that list as well
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On September 24 2013 08:22 Mattchew wrote:
marv im reading like 20 pages can you do me a favor in the meantime.
im a little out of the loop on tl mafia, can you list who the experienced players are in this game, i know most i think but i want a full list
Research your own night-kills friend...I'll have no part in it.
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On September 22 2013 00:30 justanothertownie wrote:What I don't really understand is this: Show nested quote +On September 21 2013 13:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Honestly DP I have a question for you.
Are you town?
If so, do you want to be killed N1?
Do you enjoy being killed N1? (I seem to remember that you don't.)
All of the above questions lead to these ones:
Why go hardcore (as town) right from the get-go if you know it places a target directly onto your back?
If you don't care either way, do you think you would be able to be more useful to the town in the first day than you could be as the game progresses? What is the intention behind this? I must admit that I don't know DPs meta but it is not very townie to call someone out for trying hard as a townie.
Here JAT misrepresents WoS' post too fabricate a suspicion of him.
On September 22 2013 04:22 justanothertownie wrote:
Nope. Not really. It seems to me like it is very important to know the meta of most of the players and in many cases I don't. Based on what has been written in the thread so far I don't really have any scumread right now.
Here he excuses himself from making town reads.
On September 23 2013 01:22 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2013 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marvellosity do you feel like yamato has been trying to figure out your alignment in this game? Why should yamato try to figure out marv specifically? There are quite a few good players in this game.
Another example of how JAT is playing this game. Basically sitting in the thread, waiting for people to say shit that is scummy, and pouncing on it. I call it "nitpicking."
lynch plz
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Also after reading ft's filter I'm really not seeing the scumminess. He goes really in depth about his thought process in several posts. What was his last scum game? Because there probably won't be any posts like this in it:
On September 22 2013 19:07 FirmTofu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 22 2013 19:00 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2013 18:51 FirmTofu wrote:On September 22 2013 18:47 Mocsta wrote:
DP.
Do you find FT backing down indicative of a townie prodding for information and diverting course as they are satisfied.
Or scum prodding around, and diverting as shits about to get started? I know this isn't addressed to me, but I would like to take a moment to address it. I hope you don't mind. As scum, I would use DP as a tool. I know DP is respected in this community and has the ability to sway lynches in his direction regardless of alignment. Assuming DP is town and I am scum, I would latch on to DP and win his trust. Then, I would exchange reads about other players and slowly convince him to vote whoever I wanted him to vote, essentially leading him astray. As town, I am more interested in determining his alignment. You can see which path I chose to take. Yeah dunno.. your posting is really reading forced to me. That alone doesn't make you scum. I can't follow the above though, regardless of forced/non-forced consciousness... its a lot of talk. As scum I would manipulate player X to be my puppet.. etc etc Very few scum players have that skillset to proactively choose a player to influence; most adapt to the situation as it unfolds. So the above reads as total bullshit to me. Fair enough. I'll give you an example. An extremely relevant one at that. VE has basically been defending DP the entire game. DP, naturally, seems to have no qualms with VE. In fact, I'm fairly sure DP thinks VE is town. Assuming this is true, we must conclude that DP will give VE's opinion more weight compared to the average player in this thread. After all, VE is his town read and town are usually more reliable than scum. If VE is able to convince DP to change his vote on ANYONE, he has already demonstrated that his buddying allowed him to influence DP's vote. In the event that VE is scum, VE can use DP as the voice for his vote, allowing DP to take the brunt of the blame when things go wrong.
He's got a couple other posts like that too.
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Blazinghand
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On September 24 2013 08:22 Mattchew wrote:
marv im reading like 20 pages can you do me a favor in the meantime.
im a little out of the loop on tl mafia, can you list who the experienced players are in this game, i know most i think but i want a full list
I can do this! I can do this!
players who I have seen around a lot recently:
DP
rayn
WoS
Koshi (sort of)
yamato
Chairman Ray
Pandain
Coag
Sent
VE
Geript
VA
Risen
marv
mattc
of them, players I have seen play well in recent memory:
rayn
wos
VE
VA
Risen
Marv
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In that post you quoted, FT gave no opinions on either my OR DP's alignment. That post is SUPER easy to make as scum, especially if DP and I are both town, because it gives nothing of his own opinions, yet could easily influence the opinions of others. I find nothing townie about that post Kush. Just throwing that out there.
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Jesus Christ, BH has some good taste in music.
Cephiro looks like me in Desert with less trolling. He's an excellent vig shot but a mediocre lynch. He sounds like he's having trouble catching up to the thread, an issue I can relate to. The rest of his filter is pretty crappy, but I don't think it makes him scum necessarily.
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On September 24 2013 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 08:22 Mattchew wrote:
marv im reading like 20 pages can you do me a favor in the meantime.
im a little out of the loop on tl mafia, can you list who the experienced players are in this game, i know most i think but i want a full list I can do this! I can do this! players who I have seen around a lot recently: DP rayn WoS Koshi (sort of) yamato Chairman Ray Pandain Coag Sent VE Geript VA Risen marv mattc of them, players I have seen play well in recent memory: rayn wos VE VA Risen Marv
I know what you're doing you sly dog. If you could kindly tell me who you're doing it for, I would really appreciate it.
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in a shit ton of posts ft goes super in depth about his thought process. scum dont do that shit
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On September 24 2013 08:28 FirmTofu wrote:
Jesus Christ, BH has some good taste in music.
Cephiro looks like me in Desert with less trolling. He's an excellent vig shot but a mediocre lynch. He sounds like he's having trouble catching up to the thread, an issue I can relate to. The rest of his filter is pretty crappy, but I don't think it makes him scum necessarily.
Without being offensive, he's a significantly more experienced and stronger player than you, which alters the read.
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Blazinghand
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On September 24 2013 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:On September 24 2013 08:22 Mattchew wrote:
marv im reading like 20 pages can you do me a favor in the meantime.
im a little out of the loop on tl mafia, can you list who the experienced players are in this game, i know most i think but i want a full list I can do this! I can do this! players who I have seen around a lot recently: DP rayn WoS Koshi (sort of) yamato Chairman Ray Pandain Coag Sent VE Geript VA Risen marv mattc of them, players I have seen play well in recent memory: rayn wos VE VA Risen Marv I know what you're doing you sly dog. If you could kindly tell me who you're doing it for, I would really appreciate it.
I think you might be operating on a higher level than me. I made that post because I haven't caught up yet and it's something I can do. What am I doing?
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On September 24 2013 08:29 kushm4sta wrote:
in a shit ton of posts ft goes super in depth about his thought process. scum dont do that shit
I disagree, fundamentally. If town do that, then scum do that to try and look town.
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On September 24 2013 08:30 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 08:28 FirmTofu wrote:
Jesus Christ, BH has some good taste in music.
Cephiro looks like me in Desert with less trolling. He's an excellent vig shot but a mediocre lynch. He sounds like he's having trouble catching up to the thread, an issue I can relate to. The rest of his filter is pretty crappy, but I don't think it makes him scum necessarily. Without being offensive, he's a significantly more experienced and stronger player than you, which alters the read.
Never played with him, so I can't comment on that.
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Blazinghand
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Oh is it because I complimented you? Sorry let me put my normal BH hat on
"Everyone in this game is crap but me, only person on that list is Blazinghand"
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I'll be back later tonight.
In case I (somehow) get shot before I come back, here is my last good read(and advice).
Emotion makes people towns
Basically read any analysis. Scum are the ones who are inherently afraid to post, while town doesn't have that limitation. Because of this, any scum post, unless they're on the verge of being lynched(or a scum mate is), is going to be forced post rather than a genuine one.
I think it's very hard to fake an emotion resulting from feeling bad this game. Mafia you don't even really feel bad, because you have a team to rest it on. You weren't playing bad, you were playing "well", simply as mafia. They didn't know.
But if you're town and others criticize you, that hurts.
Gertript is known for pulling off crazy tricks. Or at least, he did it in Aperture.
On September 24 2013 01:41 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 01:26 Mocsta wrote:Geript, mav/me still waiting. I really wonder where the Geript I nk'd night1 in his first TL game disappeared to. I miss that guy  R.I.P I'm as good as how much time I put in. Just is what it is. IDK like I really don't feel great about my reads as I was pre-aperature. That said, everyone else who played and voted for me in aperature and was town were idiotic. I'm just not feeling this game and I think a large majority of scum are inactive.
This post is too genuine for me. First, scum don't say they don't feel the game as an excuse. Actually to be fair they definitely can, but I have never seen a scum use an excuse like that. Because scum actually do feel for the game, it is hard to post posts which go against directly what you believe.
To clarify further, being interested in the game(having a feel for it), and being interested in solving it are the two distinctions between emotion in mafia.
Is this clear?
Gertrip if you're reading this, I know how you feel. I felt exactly the same way in a weird Caller Japenese themed game. I was sure that Ace was scum but no one believed me. Eventually I was convinced I had no idea what to believe. And I hated it because I was confused.
Keep at it man, and look at Palmar. He improved so much despite people constantly shit-talking him. Don't give up, and look at other people besides DP. I don't think shooting him is a good idea, even if you think he's mafia, because he is so strong later on.
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On September 24 2013 08:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 24 2013 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:On September 24 2013 08:22 Mattchew wrote:
marv im reading like 20 pages can you do me a favor in the meantime.
im a little out of the loop on tl mafia, can you list who the experienced players are in this game, i know most i think but i want a full list I can do this! I can do this! players who I have seen around a lot recently: DP rayn WoS Koshi (sort of) yamato Chairman Ray Pandain Coag Sent VE Geript VA Risen marv mattc of them, players I have seen play well in recent memory: rayn wos VE VA Risen Marv I know what you're doing you sly dog. If you could kindly tell me who you're doing it for, I would really appreciate it. I think you might be operating on a higher level than me. I made that post because I haven't caught up yet and it's something I can do. What am I doing?
No I get ya. Trying to be "useful". Got it. *wink* Trying to "help out a fellow townie in need". *wink wink*
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