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papapanda
Taiwan326 Posts
I might be away again today. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On June 06 2012 21:45 Toadesstern wrote: I already told you I can't be roleblocked. Here's what you told us: On May 28 2012 08:15 Toadesstern wrote: And no I can't be RB'ed. On May 28 2012 08:32 Toadesstern wrote: Actually screw that. I was just told my action is roleblockable. Or it's not and I'm only telling you that to draw the roleblock. But it's a night action, right? :p On May 28 2012 23:05 Toadesstern wrote: For CHRISTS SAKE I can not be roleblocked. I CAN CONFIRM THIS SHIT EASY PEASY I want to make friggin' sure we've got confirmed townies if we're going to call them confirmed. You told us two different stories about being roleblockable (and yes, the second quote DOES look like you were having fun and joking around). Either
On June 06 2012 21:48 marvellosity wrote: austin: the mafia roleblocker (Gambit) is dead too as well as toad saying he can't be rb'ed The above is why I'm asking. I don't think Toad is GOING to get roleblocked. But I want to make sure I've got all the information possible, and information that comes from Toad about his own role isn't reliable IF toad isn't confirmed. And again, not a single person is confirmed. I asked if scum could hold KP for one reason. If they can, MZ isn't confirmed town. Earlier, when discussing roleblocks, someone mentioned that an easy scum play is to not roleblock and have one scum member claim roleblock, ezpz. In the same vein, easy scum play is hold one KP, have one scum claim to have been shot at. Here, it's even better than a 1-1 claim roleblock/get town cred scenario. MZ claims to have been shot. kita claims to have protected it. Toad uses MZ as his mason buddy to confirm mason. kita is confirmed because he CAN'T be counterclaimed. Toad is confirmed because someone said he was a mason. MZ is confirmed because he took the shot. All THREE of those players are confirmed by virtue of one single shot. But the shot itself cannot be confirmed. THAT is why I'm looking for other information. Because we're considering two options for Kita. Either he gets counterclaimed and he's scum, or he doesn't and he's town, confirmed. There's a third option. The shot didn't happen, nobody will counterclaim because nobody "saved" MZ. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Anyways. I'll be voting mana. He's going to flip mafia as well and if you guys think it's better to lynch him first, whatever... | ||
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Manason
45 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On May 28 2012 22:24 Toadesstern wrote: Just a thought on Toades claiming Mason as scum. D2, player X claims to have been masoned, noone have yet to flip so noone is confirmed. If Toades flip Scum, then X is Scum If Toades flip Mason, then we know nothing about X If X flip Scum, then we know nothing about Toades If X flip Town, THEN and only then is Toades confirmed Mason Usually masons who are confirmed for eachother are not confirmed for town until either dies. In this case we can only confirm Toades as town without killing him is if his masonbuddy flips, AND flips as town (which isn´t a guarantee), otherwise we can´t really take anything away from Toades claim. Mason can´t be used as a tool to confirm him, not until later and not unless the right person flips the right way, so the best use of the mason power should be for secret information. Toades didn´t try to use it for that, instead he tries to pass off his claim as a confirmation that he´s town, which it isn´t. It doesn´t makes sense. I don´t know what he is, but I don´t want him as Mayor. Who gets shot N1? Forumite. I was suspicious of him, I know nobody else was. So either he got NKed for coming off very town, or he was a threat because he was the only person who fully reasoned through the different claim options. I didn't because he posted this, but I forgot to follow up on it. In no way are Toad and MZ confirmed. On May 30 2012 04:45 Blazinghand wrote: Don't listen to toad's lies! It's the middle of N1, he isn't mod confirmed town, you can tell because he was totes serious in the quoted post. Check out this informational chart: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VNc7P.png) Note which bar is larger Anyone remember the middle of N1 when supersoft posted suspiciouns of MZ?+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 03:18 supersoft wrote: there MZ makes sinensis looking worse than he actually is... was... Does MZ know he's not scum? Hang him because he doesnt hunt, not because he's scum hmmm I thoight this policylynching of bad players is so bad?! wasn't that the main point of the case against sinensis not really. He distinguished between the two of them. The one is a good and the other is a bad day1 lynch. I agree with that. 100%. agree What, you're getting nervous because i randomly picked you? btw. what do you think about zealos. You didn't mention him there: On May 30 2012 03:37 supersoft wrote: dear vigs, would you please be so kind and shoot wiggles and MZ ?! I wish I had two bullets. What happens when he starts looking at MZ hard?By the way, Toad's reasoning was On May 30 2012 04:05 Toadesstern wrote: I actually have a townread on that guy and I don't like compulsive vigs, especially not if we got no information at all due to a policy lynch d1. Then at the end of N1/start of D2, we had the whole bit where Toad was going to mason MZ, but didn't because supersoft was making him a target, so he masoned BH, except that didn't go through, so he actually masoned MZ. On May 30 2012 08:10 Toadesstern wrote: nah wait it's really weird I'll explain why I said luckily I posted my logs. Here's what happened, the quote is from the last page from BEFORE deadline: I wanted to mason MZ and pm'ed both hosts to do so Supersoft told people to shoot him so I changed my target to BH as I thought both are slightly townish and won't be shot. So I figured I masoned BH and that's why I posted BH has a swollen ball. Now I got a PM that MZ is my mason So I kicked him in the balls On May 30 2012 08:25 Toadesstern wrote: Did that explanation never feel odd? He changed it but that was too late? Not really. He changed but it didn't count? Not allowed to post. I really don't know what I am allowed to post from the pm I got  And right after that, Toad posts this On May 30 2012 08:27 Toadesstern wrote: Which feels odd given that he was claiming he could not be roleblocked.Well I did not get roleblocked if that's the case and I either did not get mediced or did not get shot. Screw you guys. I'm still working through this, but I'm leaving my vote on Kita right now. What I'd really like to do is ask everyone's opinion on MZ. Drop the confirmed townie bit, because he's not. Read MZ with a clear head and tell me what you think. supersoft found his D1 play odd, agree/disagree? Lynch on VE, good/bad? Play since then? The shot on him is what confirms Kita's claim, and his being masoned confirmed Toad. IF MZ or Kita is scum, then the other one is, absolutely. Toad is NOT confirmed either, so I'd like him to mason me tonight. If he does, he's confirmed town, no matter what MZ and Kita flip. If he doesn't, I'm going to assume he's scum. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
any questions? Because you apparently haven't understood what I posted n1 and I need to explain everything ALTHOUGH there should be enough information for everyone reading the thread to understand what happened... | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 06 2012 22:51 Toadesstern wrote: From top to bottom:
any questions? Because you apparently haven't understood what I posted n1 and I need to explain everything ALTHOUGH there should be enough information for everyone reading the thread to understand what happened... EBWOP | ||
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Hyaach
Singapore1737 Posts
I was not sure how confirmed town they both were too, but somehow it seemed to get ignored and drowned out. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 06 2012 22:53 Hyaach wrote: I'm glad you followed it up austinmcc. if you looked through my filter. I've been asking for his new masons. for night 2 and 3 but he never replied me. I was not sure how confirmed town they both were too, but somehow it seemed to get ignored and drowned out. I already quoted the post 2 times... Night 2: WBG Night 3: Jaj22 | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
The rest is all just odd stuff. Like, I went through one day and there were a bunch of little interactions that stuck out, and you've got to admit that the BH/MZ mason stuff was just a little odd. It's all immaterial though, I think I included it just to show some weird interactions and to drive home the point that nobody has been confirmed (except hassy in my mind). The mason claim absolutely decides this, because either you are a town mason or you're not and you're almost certainly scum (i guess 3rd party is an option?). That's why, instead of masoning me, I actually want to suggest something else. I think, depending on who gets lynched, you should mason someone from this list tonight: hyaach, papapanda, majugarzett, manason. If you're town, they can confirm you. If you're scum, you'll either have to out the final scum (if you/MZ/kita are scum) OR you'll have to get rid of one of those players for town and say that you masoned him but he got shot. Congrats, 1/2 of scum's KP wasted and town potentially gets saved some effort. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
It shouldn't really be a topic of discussion, but I love that we're actively debating whether the stupid graph is right or not. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Everything changes if I can repeat the result every night. I can't be mafia with a mafia buddy claiming mason partner because that way I would out 3 mafias the moment I told you the third one. That would be retarded. Fine I'm going to tell people who I'm going to mason the next night before deadline, but not more. I'm obviously not going to do something like "Toad mason me" because that way that dude gets shot and we're in the same position again, although I wouldn't mind austing being shot. He's the alternative if one of the other 4 people mentioned flips town lol | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:07 austinmcc wrote: The pic is still entirely right, because you have been confirmed by ONE guy, who might be scum. You claim that your N2 and N3 mason targets are dead, so they can't confirm you. I did a light round of find-the-crumb to see if either of them mentioned being masoned come D3 and D4, but didn't find anything. Will look again, but I didn't catch anything. The rest is all just odd stuff. Like, I went through one day and there were a bunch of little interactions that stuck out, and you've got to admit that the BH/MZ mason stuff was just a little odd. It's all immaterial though, I think I included it just to show some weird interactions and to drive home the point that nobody has been confirmed (except hassy in my mind). The mason claim absolutely decides this, because either you are a town mason or you're not and you're almost certainly scum (i guess 3rd party is an option?). That's why, instead of masoning me, I actually want to suggest something else. I think, depending on who gets lynched, you should mason someone from this list tonight: hyaach, papapanda, majugarzett, manason. If you're town, they can confirm you. If you're scum, you'll either have to out the final scum (if you/MZ/kita are scum) OR you'll have to get rid of one of those players for town and say that you masoned him but he got shot. Congrats, 1/2 of scum's KP wasted and town potentially gets saved some effort. The pic was BEFORE the mason thing happened. How retarded would someone be to fakeclaim Mason d1 as mafia and making his buddy fakeclaim mason-buddy? Ok let's say out of 100 people maybe 1 guy would be retarded enough to do that. How many people would be retarded enough to claim MASON WHO CAN MAKE A NEW MASON EVERY NIGHT CYCLE. Why should I do that as mafia? I could have simply told people that I'm a one-shit mason like every other mason in every other game. What you're sainyg is the biggest bullshit I've ever seen. You're taking what people said BEFORE n1 and ignoring EVERYTHING you know... | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Manason
45 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:14 Toadesstern wrote: Actually screw this guy. I'm not going to tell you guys a thing. This dude is retarded and this is bound to be some mafia plan to figure out who I'm going to mason or whatever else. If you're not this is a lesson for your next game austin: Think before posting. No mafia in the world would do what I claimed. NOT A SINGLE ONE. Which is why it's suck a good idea to do it. Having said that I don't have a ton of doubts at to toads townieness, however I don't want to get lynched, so if someone could tell me what it would take to convince them I'm not mafia that would be great ^^ (If anyone say's it would take my death to convince them, I will be mad.) | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:09 Toadesstern wrote: Oh and obviously what foru said is completly wrong as well as I already pointed out because he thought I'm a one-shot mason as well. Everything changes if I can repeat the result every night. I can't be mafia with a mafia buddy claiming mason partner because that way I would out 3 mafias the moment I told you the third one. That would be retarded. Ummmmm.
Again, the mason claim decides your fate in a few days. Either you're a mason or you're scum, and nothing matters except you actually being able to be confirmed by another player or two. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:17 Manason wrote: Which is why it's suck a good idea to do it. Having said that I don't have a ton of doubts at to toads townieness, however I don't want to get lynched, so if someone could tell me what it would take to convince them I'm not mafia that would be great ^^ (If anyone say's it would take my death to convince them, I will be mad.) No it's not. A good idea would be to shut up and not claim at all because you're giving away AT LEAST 2 mafias on d1 OR if you really want to claim mason as mafia claim Mason, and not recruiter who can confirm his confirmation every single day. From a mafia point of view it would be the same benefit without the possibily of being "caught" because you can only mason one guy. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:18 austinmcc wrote: Ummmmm.
Again, the mason claim decides your fate in a few days. Either you're a mason or you're scum, and nothing matters except you actually being able to be confirmed by another player or two. No that's wrong. I CLAIMED multi-mason. There would be NO REASON AT ALL to claim multi mason as mafia. Just claim a normal mason and have the same benefit without drawbacks (except for outing 2 mafias d1...). You're just paranoid or mafia right now. Read what I posted again think about it before posting. Frankly you have not so far because you still haven't understood a word I said. You still think it's weird that I told people to not shoot the guy I masoned n1 for whatever reason. I'm going to ignore everything you say from now on. Either you're not reading because you're not reading or you're not reading because you're mafia. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
To everyone else who catches up on this nonsense:
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I have the most awesome plans of them all to combine all of our problems. Kita claimed medic and mafia already lost their RB. Here's the plan
Either way we're good.:
Can anyone see drawbacks to that plan? I like it very much atm because we're probably going to maka mafia shoot into people they don't want to shoot or make them doublestack when they don't want to. | ||
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