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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 07 2012 02:42 Hassybaby wrote: He's gone for a few hours. You're thinking the bandwagon is too easy? Hassy, I read it that ET was ??ing about the move to get people off Manason. I had a look at Maju's filter. It doesn't look great for 2 reasons 1) the low content to post ratio as ET mentioned. 2) the lol didn't read thread! syndrome. There's a pretty good chance he's scum. He just doesn't push anything, a comment here, a question there, a weird little case-let on stofu that he never pushes. marv's order of scumminess from absolute scum to scum is thusly Manason, papapanda, Maju. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 07 2012 02:36 EchelonTee wrote: what in the balls is happening? toad you want to switch lynch off manason? I'm not trying to get people off Manason, I'm trying to get people off Kita because you guys are apparently scared. Kita was t-1 to being lynched, manason never got close to that and I'd rather lynch maju than manason due to the people voting manason. So if anything I'm trying to gett people off Kita and voting maju instead due to my plan. I wouldn't mind lynching Kita and manason either though if I have to. I just think maju is the better choice if you don't want to go for kita. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
 Manason - (7) MajuGarzett EchelonTee marvellosity Hyaach papapanda Toadesstern Hassybaby The red color doesn't mean they are mafia but they've got a decent chance of flipping mafia. I've got 6 people who are red like those, manason is one of them and he obviously won't vote himself. So that's 5 people left who I consider to be mafia / lyncher and we've got 4 of them voting manason. Yeah I think Manason looks scummy as fuck but those 4 people give me a really hard time not being scared right now. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Hassy is the 6th one who I'd only consider if 2 of the other 2 flip town :p | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
Maju is the better lynch out of him and Manason. First, I'll explain why I don't agree with the case on Manason, and then I'll explain why I think Maju is scum (Hint: It's not just about content or whatever he's saying). I don't agree with the case on Manason, because the read I personally get going through his filter is that he's just a newbie town. This is his first game of mafia ever. I don't think he's a smurf unless the guy smurfing is putting a ton of effort into roleplaying a new town and not playing the game beyond that, and I find that very unlikely. So, it's his first game. In that light, the things he says make sense from a town perspective. A lot of what he says, is just blatantly scummy, and things that no experienced town would even think of, much less say, but this is why I think it makes him more likely to be town. If he was part of a scum team, I don't think they'd let him promise to make a case (twice!), and not let him follow up on it and use the excuse that he was playing skyrim. As well, I don't think they'd let him vote for VE and then post that he thought VE was town the entire time. It's just blatantly wrong to do. So, I think that's the entire reason he was able to post those things. He hasn't had the benefit of any coaching, from town or scum, so he's just doing things on his own. As such, he's posting things that are wrong from a game-play perspective, and things that people learn to not do after a few games. It's somewhat hard to explain, because this is just my intuition on the matter, and it's telling me that he's new, inexperienced, town. I'm not voting him today. As for Maju, the thing that really typifies his play is that he always takes the path of least resistance. Examples of this are that his contributions on Day 1 are arguing against whether Toad's claim was good for his role (which doesn't contribute anything), then on Day 2 arguing against VE's breadcrumb. Both of these are easy to do, since the mason claim was bad, and the breadcrumb was bad. However, this is a huge majority of everything he's done this game. Arguing whether Toad's claim was good play or not was useless, because it doesn't matter now that's he's claimed. Then, when arguing against VE, he doesn't state reasons for why he thinks VE is scummy besides sheeping MZ's case. Everything to do with VE is just arguing against the breadcrumb. Both of these are easy to do, because they provide points of contention where you can argue without actually providing any thoughts on alignment to the thread. It's easy to take a stand, because both of them were bad moves, and that makes it really easy to tear into them. Additionally, on Day 3, he ends up voting for Gambit, but nowhere in his filter does he mention original reasons for wanting to do so. He says at one point he likes the case, and that's it. So again, he's just taking the path of least resistance forward. Even now, when pressured to give some reads, he ends up posting about Hassy and papapanda, who were generally thought to be scummy, so he could blend in. Again, he's taking the path of least resistance. Even in his analysis, notice how unsure he seems to be than when he was arguing against VE or Toad. It's because now he's talking about thread behaviour, not just arguing with bad plays, so it's harder for him to fake analysis. This is further shown, when he's called out on the Hassy check. If he really thought Hassy was scum, he would just argue that he was framed, was the GF, or that Prob was insane and Toad was framed Night 1 or something. All of those are valid reasons that could explain why the check came back town, but he doesn't try to argue any of them. Instead, he backs off completely and says in his own words to disregard anything he said about Hassy. This shows that he just wanted someone to make an easy case against, and that he didn't believe any of it. So, without further ado: ##Vote: Maju | ||
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papapanda
Taiwan326 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I know it's a really weak argument I'm bringing but we can't really afford a ML Anyways manalynch seems to be the only option we have with only 2 hourrs left, so vote mana. We still stick to the Kita-plan I did unless someone gives me a reason not to. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote: So is it just that no one is here, or do people just not want to switch their votes? Is no one going to address that Manason reads and feels more like a clueless new player than scum? Remember my vote counts double, so we only need 6 other people to vote maju. Manason is 1. With MZ and Toad, that's 3. So, only 3 others need to switch to kill Maju. Your defence of Manason seems to be that he's too scummy to be scum. It's just not a defence. I've mentioned twice already this game that scum Zealos got caught in Magic admitting he voted for a townie, and he had Katina on his team to 'coach' him. The fact that he was willing to discuss the mayoral elections but NEVER on scum analysis is pretty damning. He's not even responded when kita gave him an explicit chance to earlier (Zealos and gambit were pushed to contribute earlier this game and did not, and we know how they flipped). So when Manason doesn't contribute he's townie because the scumteam would have told him to, but when Zealos/Gambit didn't the scumteam were doing what? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On June 07 2012 06:30 slOosh wrote: Day 4 Vote Count Manason - (8) <------- gonna get lynched MajuGarzett EchelonTee marvellosity Hyaach papapanda Toadesstern Hassybaby Meapak_Ziphh kitaman27 - (3) Probulous austinmcc Kenpachi MajuGarzett - (3) Manason Mr. Wiggles (+2 vote) Haven't voted - (1) kitaman27 It is now Day 4, with 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch! the day ends in ~1.5 hours, on Wednesday, Jun 06 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) | ||
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