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Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
May 22 2011 16:29 GMT
#2381
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
May 22 2011 16:40 GMT
#2382
orgolove is my vote again.

Next in line are probably DropBear and Kita, maybe jaminz.

I don't feel like I have much to go by now though because there is too much to go by.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 22 2011 16:59 GMT
#2383
On May 23 2011 01:40 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Next in line are probably DropBear and Kita, maybe jaminz.


Why? (jaminz is dead btw)
AirbladeOrange
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2574 Posts
May 22 2011 18:25 GMT
#2384
If not jaminz then definitely GMarshal.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 22 2011 18:45 GMT
#2385
Why are DropBear and kita your next suspects after orgolove?
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 22 2011 20:45 GMT
#2386
AO hasn't answered my question, kita said he would be on to answer, and Mig and I are about the only regular contributors.

Town, if you're wondering why you lose games, this is it. If you can't post regularly, at least make sure you put forward your thoughts when you do. We're lacking in both quantity and quality, and all scum has to do is sit back and laugh.
Mig
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States4714 Posts
May 22 2011 21:06 GMT
#2387
Yea AO/db/ilj/elmizzit all voted without taking any relevant stances :/. I would like to hear kita's thoughts on everyone.

Like I said before I am not 100% that kita is scum but with this few people in the game we should be discussing all possibilities and not take anything for granted. And I would like to hear everyone's opinion on it.

Would anyone have a problem if we moved the lynch up to tonight, instead of tomorrow? It seems a lot of people are just going to wait until after orgolove is killed before actually saying anything. If that is the case we might as well get it over with instead of just sitting here for a day. Especially since everyone has already voted.
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chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 22 2011 21:29 GMT
#2388
I say we leave it for the usual length of time. The more time we have to discuss, the more likely we'll actually catch scum. I don't think kita is scum. Either that, or he is doing a really good job at hiding it.
Varpulis
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2517 Posts
May 23 2011 00:40 GMT
#2389
I think I'm more active than half the town, and I'm dead. What has the world come to?
For he is the Oystermeister, lord of all the oysters.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 23 2011 01:26 GMT
#2390
If only we had a priest this game :p

I know I said I would post analysis today, but I'm feeling pretty dead at the moment, so it will come tomorrow. Sorting through hundreds of posts is a pain -_-

Still hoping to hear from dropbear as well.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 23 2011 03:20 GMT
#2391
On May 23 2011 10:26 kitaman27 wrote:
I know I said I would post analysis today, but I'm feeling pretty dead at the moment, so it will come tomorrow. Sorting through hundreds of posts is a pain -_-


Promising to post analysis and then refusing to? Scum.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 23 2011 10:56 GMT
#2392
Just checked back in, I will be more active tomorrow.
Dropbear has not voted yet.
I am pretty sure that chaos13, Mig and kitaman27 are town.
Dropbear contributes, but like Mig? I also alays had a bit of a strange feeling about him, but I must analyse him properly before I can say anything.

AirbladeOrange and elmizzt always were too inactive, I have the same feeling about them I had about Impervious and jaminz, that is why I am a bit more careful about allegations now. Of the to I tihnk AO is a bit more suspicious, but I also have to look more into that.

ilovejonn is town if orgolove is scum.

I am pretty sure that orgolove is scum.

I think chaos13 and kitaman27 have the highest danger of being hit this night, so it would be helpful for town if they postet a list of their suspects before next day begins.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
May 23 2011 11:04 GMT
#2393
On May 23 2011 12:20 chaos13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 10:26 kitaman27 wrote:
I know I said I would post analysis today, but I'm feeling pretty dead at the moment, so it will come tomorrow. Sorting through hundreds of posts is a pain -_-


Promising to post analysis and then refusing to? Scum.


Twisting my words? Scum.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Xedat
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany358 Posts
May 23 2011 11:46 GMT
#2394
Did I not see him or did Dropbear really not vote untill now? when is the deadline?
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 23 2011 11:57 GMT
#2395
On May 23 2011 20:04 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2011 12:20 chaos13 wrote:
On May 23 2011 10:26 kitaman27 wrote:
I know I said I would post analysis today, but I'm feeling pretty dead at the moment, so it will come tomorrow. Sorting through hundreds of posts is a pain -_-


Promising to post analysis and then refusing to? Scum.


Twisting my words? Scum.


:p

My thoughts on players

TOWN
-Xedat: Replacement player. Has actively contributed since joining the game. It would be easy to lurk as a replacement player, as no standard of activity has been established.
-Mig: Actively scumhunting. Pro-town attitude consistently

SUSPECT
-orgolove: Tunneled by DT for two days. Scum or miller.
-AirbladeOrange: Very scummy vote pattern, not always pro-town. Lurker. Tied to ilovejonn. Almost every day they vote the same person.
-ilovejonn: Tied to AO. Lurker. Very scummy vote pattern, and not always pro-town.

UNCERTAIN
-elmizzt: Inactive. Not enough recent posting for me to get a read on. Posts throughout the whole game are suspicious.
-DropBear: Relatively inactive. Questionable posts and scumhunting. Most likely town though.
-kitaman27: Experienced player still alive Day 7. Promised to contribute analysis and then failed to. Over all a 'strange' feel about his posts. Definitely nowhere near enough to base a lynch on. Most likely town.


This town is pathetically inactive.
chaos13
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada885 Posts
May 23 2011 12:02 GMT
#2396
EBWOP: Formatting made prettier and stuff added.

On May 23 2011 20:57 chaos13 wrote:

My thoughts on players

TOWN
-Xedat: Replacement player. Has actively contributed since joining the game. It would be easy to lurk as a replacement player, as no standard of activity has been established.
-Mig: Actively scumhunting. Pro-town attitude consistently

SUSPECT
-orgolove: Tunneled by DT for two days. Scum or miller.
-AirbladeOrange: Very scummy vote pattern, not always pro-town. Lurker. Tied to ilovejonn. Almost every day they vote the same person. Did not respond when asked twice for explanation on his suspects.
-ilovejonn: Tied to AO. Lurker. Very scummy vote pattern, and not always pro-town.

UNCERTAIN
-elmizzt: Inactive. Not enough recent posting for me to get a read on. Posts throughout the whole game are suspicious.
-DropBear: Relatively inactive. Questionable posts and scumhunting. Most likely town though.
-kitaman27: Experienced player still alive Day 7. Promised to contribute analysis and then failed to. Over all a 'strange' feel about his posts. Definitely nowhere near enough to base a lynch on.


This town is pathetically inactive.


I want Xedat's thoughts on this - if AO was scum, would he really ignore my request for an explanation of his suspects? It is an extremely scummy move, and no mafia who would do something that obvious would have been able to stay alive this long.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4396 Posts
May 23 2011 14:32 GMT
#2397
[image loading]


Sorry been quiet the last few days, been chasing a female. With a colossal fail it's back to mafia!

The general consensus is that orgolove should go today. This post is just before Forumite's death.
On May 22 2011 05:01 Forumite wrote:
Scumhunting is hard. I think orgolove is scum, but whenever I look elsewhere it gets tough, partly because of the tunneling on orgolove, everything else gets distorted around it, like ilj, orgolove has been tunneling on him for so damn long.

This suggests to me that he either checked orgolove the night he died or that he checked him before that and he flipped green. It also suggests the possibility of him having checked ilovejonn and him coming up green.

Forumite has been pushing the hell out of orgolove and everyone has wagoned on him today based pretty much entirely on this. To be honest I'm not completely convinced. Forumite has been pushing orgolove but he wasn't 100%.


As for you AO...
On May 22 2011 02:10 AirbladeOrange wrote:
These two quotes are from page 97. I'm getting more suspicious of DropBear because he continues not only to push me without any good evidence but also he has a pretty bad voting record. These two posts were when sinani206 was under a lot of pressure and DropBear seems to be publicly trying to help him out and gain him some town credit by urging him to defend himself then repeatedly states he now thinks sinani to be town. I'm not convinced on DropBear but he might be a good candidate for the other goon assuming the godfather is a more experienced player.

Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 03:09 DropBear wrote:
On May 14 2011 03:08 sinani206 wrote:
Do we know if we are Godfather? I heard somewhere that Godfather appears as town, is that why I don't know? Because if not I think I'm town.

Come on man. If you are town defend yourself. Explain the reasoning behind your votes, behind your arguments.

I don't think you are mafia anymore.

Make a roleclaim, what role are you?


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On May 14 2011 03:15 DropBear wrote:
On May 14 2011 03:10 sinani206 wrote:
I just said, I think I'm town.

Ok that's cool. What role are you? Vanilla Townie? Detective? Third Party Planar Dragon? Check your role PM from GMarshal. You can't post it in the thread but you can tell us what role you are.

The way things are going you are almost certainly going to be lynched. Do you want to be lynched? I don't think you're mafia anymore man, even though I voted for you on Day 3.

If you are town you owe it to everyone to defend yourself. Tell us why you voted the way you did. Tell us why you never defended yourself yesterday. Tell us why you said you'd post analysis on day 3 and never did.

If you give a satisfactory explanation I will move heaven and earth to save you.



ilovejonn gets town credit because of this (probably coached) attack post by sinani after there was a good chance he was getting lynched:

Show nested quote +
On May 14 2011 13:42 sinani206 wrote:
ilovejonn


This is ilovejonn's list of votes:

1)
kurumi
2)
beneather
cthsaza

3)
eternalmisfit
4)
sinani206
ilovejonn
oroglove

Hmm....
So far, 3 greens and a blue. Kurumi bandwagon day 1 and EternalMisfit bandwagon day 3, with no real explanations for either. He is also experienced, so he can't be forgiven for not explaining.

Today, first he votes on my bandwagon, then after I defend myself and DropBear accepts the defense, he switches to himself, saying this:

On May 14 2011 04:06 ilovejonn wrote:
I'm townie. Why not lynch for information? We have mislynches at disposal. And what defense do you guys possibly want from me. I've been on all the wrong lynches and have no credibility in this game any more, flipping will probably provide more than what I can say.

Why do you first roleclaim townie and then tell the town to lynch you for information? You want us to call a bluff, to believe that you are a Townie that will sacrifice himself for the town, and then leave you alive. But you aren't. You wanted us to leave you alone so that you could stay alive and the Mafia would keep their 2KP.

Then, after Varpulis' post:

On May 14 2011 04:40 Varpulis wrote:
It's good policy to lynch scum. If you're town, you should help us lynch scum, not help us lynch you.

Wrong =/= scum. Saying "I give up, just lynch me" makes me very suspicious. orgolove did it, and people aren't discussing him anymore, so you're going to try it too?

You post this and switch back to oroglove:

On May 14 2011 05:34 ilovejonn wrote:
I still think orgolove is GF. Check his posts before 1802 and after.

Like people mentioned, he gives us a flawed data sheet to follow (I know it's flawed because I'm townie but managed to accumulate the most points due to a) not switching to Amber because I was away, b) sticking with my analysis on EM which turned out to be wrong.), says that Dropbear and I are top targets based on the point system he made out of thin air, and then when we lynch EM he goes, guys I convinced you soooooo hard that you guys deserve to lose if you don't follow my spreadsheet.

You didn't convince us on anything dude, you laid out information we all could have observed and placed some arbitrary points into it, then said you're disgusted with the town after a mislynch. That's some major convincing you did.

And you guys are right, why waste a vote on myself. I'll use MY vote on who I think is scum.


Because you realize that Varpulis is right, you switch to orgolove, to act more like a townie and act like you are trying to kill the scum. But you just use the same arguments against him that everyone else has. Another bandwagon. You realize that this is 3 band wagons you have joined, all without adding to the accusation?

I know where my vote is going today.
##Vote: ilovejonn


AO you haven't really done ANYTHING since an early analysis of Cthazsa. I'm trying to get you to help. You are continually making decisions with absolutely no reasoning provided. The more it happens the more worried I get.

On May 17 2011 03:53 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I did not feel compelled to do an analysis on people who voted for Kurumi. But I still say it would be a good idea.

I thought Mig had a good chance of being mafia.

I thought there was a good chance EternalMisfit was mafia.

You still haven't answered these. WHY MIG AND EM? WHY NOT DO ANALYSIS?

On May 12 2011 03:05 AirbladeOrange wrote:
I haven't been posting much lately because I don't really know what to do or say. Are we generally agreeing to pick out two people to vote on again?

I'm leaning toward EternalMisfit at this point. I'm going to vote now since I might not be back before the end of the day.

I think what I'm going to do later is look at the first day of the game and see who was voting for who and who was defending who out out our suspicious people list. I want to look at the posts that weren't necessarily suspicious at the time but might be now.

No reasoning for EM. Your vote analysis never transpired.
On May 16 2011 13:00 AirbladeOrange wrote:
Oroglove is my number one and redtooth is my number two.

Why?

On May 23 2011 01:40 AirbladeOrange wrote:
orgolove is my vote again.

Next in line are probably DropBear and Kita, maybe jaminz.

I don't feel like I have much to go by now though because there is too much to go by.

Why?

The analysis you provide of me today is pretty much the first thing you've done since day 2 that wasn't a one-liner.

Also, pretty sure that I pointed out that sinani's ilj analysis looked coached before anyone else did, directly after it.
On May 14 2011 14:31 DropBear wrote:
Lol it's almost a perfectly split lynch again.

Sinani I agree with most of your analysis and I've been backing you but.... that post is very different to ones you've made previously. Is there some scumcoaching going on there I wonder?


On May 14 2011 15:00 DropBear wrote:
This is sinani's day 1 analysis.
This is his analysis just now on Day 4 on the opposing lynch target.

The style and confidence are different. He is much more structured now that he is under pressure. This seems counter-intuitive.

Oh fuck I'm having a sandroba moment. Why is everyone being so quiet?

Due to my confusion I offered an alternative.
Sucker for nostalgia
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4396 Posts
May 23 2011 14:58 GMT
#2398
On May 22 2011 14:19 chaos13 wrote:
I have a few problems with what you're saying:
-You deflect my question about AO, and then don't fully answer it
-You advocate lynching kitaman27, an experienced player whom everyone thinks is town
-You say we need to find the GF after we lynch orgolove. You seem to have information that I don't, seeing that as far as I'm aware, orgolove himself could be the godfather.

Your votes are also rather incriminating. The only time you have voted for mafia is the day we lynched sinani206, and on that day he was 99% confirmed scum.

AirbladeOrange, DropBear, and kitaman27, what do you think of Mig?
Day 4 thoughts on Mig here.
Since then Mig has:
Voted for sinani206 on the day he was lynched
Voted redtooth then switched to Impervious
Voted Jaminz
His voting record is quite bad.

His posting looks alright though. I can't find much that is suss at all. Everything he does he gives a reason for and clearly states it. It all seems to be in order. I feel much much better about Mig than I feel about most of the others.

Chaos, not everyone thinks kita is town. You yourself accuse him here.

And I don't understand what you mean when you say that Mig has more information? Could you explain please?


Sucker for nostalgia
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4396 Posts
May 23 2011 15:15 GMT
#2399
At this point a vote for anyone other than orgolove is pointless. There isn't even an alternative candidate. I will focus on what we should do when he flips.

This is the last post from Amber[Light].

On May 09 2011 11:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Damn you mothers day!

Terrible analysis by the town. No wonder you were pushing bullshit for the last few days.

Chaoser and Sandroba, not actually good at scumhunting. Remember that town.


This is after chaoser named GGQ, sinani and oohed and ahhed about ilovejonn. Obviously it was trying to divert attention away from chaoser's list. In the event that orgolove flips green I will probably vote ilovejonn tomorrow, depending on who survives the night.

In the event that orgolove flips red, it's down to kita, AO and elmizzt.. Xedat, Mig, chaos13 are clear townies to me and ilovejonn would be cleared completely after being the alternative target to both orgolove and sinani206.
Sucker for nostalgia
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
May 23 2011 19:42 GMT
#2400
On May 23 2011 06:06 Mig wrote:
Yea AO/db/ilj/elmizzit all voted without taking any relevant stances :/. I would like to hear kita's thoughts on everyone.

Like I said before I am not 100% that kita is scum but with this few people in the game we should be discussing all possibilities and not take anything for granted. And I would like to hear everyone's opinion on it.

Would anyone have a problem if we moved the lynch up to tonight, instead of tomorrow? It seems a lot of people are just going to wait until after orgolove is killed before actually saying anything. If that is the case we might as well get it over with instead of just sitting here for a day. Especially since everyone has already voted.

What stance do you actually want me to take? I've been voting orgolove the past few days and with Forumite's death why would anyone vote for anyone else? This guy isn't even defending himself. Either he's scum who gave up or he's the worst townie I've ever seen. Is his only defense going to be "I'm telling you this dude is scum" and "I told you so"?
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