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@ ilovejonn: Well yes, your position is pretty awkward, I think it was a failure on our part not to diffuse the whole orgolove vs ilovejonn thing earlier.
What I always found a bit problematic was that you just accused orgolove and didn't say anything about the other players.
You could contribute a lot more by just posting a list like chaos13 did.
@ Dropbear: How could forumite attack orgolove anymore without revealing himself? Also voting for orgolove is not based entirely on forumite's accusations, he was a vote target for the last two days and we lost those 2 days because we lynched scummy looking inactive guys.
Between Impervious, elmizzt, AirbladeOrange and jaminz there probably is one mafia. For me they were pretty much equally scummy and we got the wrong guys.
We could lynch AirbladeOrange and elmizzt today and tomorrow, but if none of them is mafia we have lost and as there are other targets that are more scummy lynching one of them would be stupid.
If orgolove is scum we can lynch AirbladeOrange and then see if we won or if we need to look somewhere else for the last 2 lynches.
If orgolove is town I think ilovejonn would be a better target, as it is our last shot and ilovejonn has a shitty voting record (there is a reason he is high on orgoloves list.)
@chaoser13/about AO As I said earlier I think AIrbladeOrange hides between the inactive players / is an inactive player. The suspicious thing about him is definitely that he jsut does not react to any accusations at all. All other players (Impervious, Jaminz) became more active after accusimg them or voting for them. Maybe mafia tries to sit this game out.
Tl;DR
Orgolove today, if he is scum AO after that, if AO is not scum we have to look at kita,dropbear and elmizzt.
If orgolove is town, get ilovejonn. If ilovejonn is mafia we still have to look at the people I mentioned earlier.
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P.S. I jsut looked at AO's voting. If orgolove is scum there is one interesting thing:
On the day 5 he is the third to vote orgolove after 2 people voted for ilovejonn and 2 who voted for orgolove. If orgolove and AO are both town this would be termendously stupid. I don't know what to think of that.
The days after Dropbear and AirbladeOrange just vote for each other, I somehow missed that.
What do think about this vote? Is this relevant?
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I don't understand. How does orgolove flipping town constitute me being mafia? If you guys lynch me the next day, provided orgolove flips town, you would get ANOTHER mislynch. I've already explained why his spreadsheet is the worst way to find scum. It is all based on voting analysis. I've literally explained my reasons for each of my votes. We don't know the scum agenda, for all you know a member of the scum team could have bus'd his team mates with every vote and end up low on orgolove's spreadsheet. Look at sinani, he was low and flipped red. It just doesn't make sense putting those arbitrary points into a system when you can't account for what the mafia wants people to think.
Sure, mafia would want to defend themselves if they are going to go down, but why wouldn't a townie do the same thing? Why isn't orgolove defending himself, he says we deserve to lose, but I say if a townie lets themselves get lynched it is even worse. We have 7 town players remaining. orgolove is going down for sure and with the play he has displayed we honestly have to hope he is scum. If he flips town, we are down to 6 townies. 1 night kill, thats 5 townies. Then if you guys lynch me the next day it is down to 4 townies + the next night kill it would be 3 townies. Based on the night kill information we have to seriously consider who we lynch next.
On May 24 2011 05:53 Xedat wrote:
P.S. I jsut looked at AO's voting. If orgolove is scum there is one interesting thing:
On the day 5 he is the third to vote orgolove after 2 people voted for ilovejonn and 2 who voted for orgolove. If orgolove and AO are both town this would be termendously stupid. I don't know what to think of that.
The days after Dropbear and AirbladeOrange just vote for each other, I somehow missed that.
What do think about this vote? Is this relevant?
Are you saying with the voting there, either orgolove/AO is scum? I think we really have to consider analyzing people's posts more, instead of voting patterns. Voting patterns are a way to help your case but by it self it is not something substantial to push with. We can't just say, oh the people who were on the XXX lynch has to contain 1 scum. We definitely need to read over everyone's posts again and try to see why they said what they said with a mafia mindset. If I have to put anything out there I'm willing to say Dropbear is town though. He has been consistently doing post analysis through out the whole game, despite being wrong on some occasions, but even the best of players can get analysis wrong. He just has the most town vibe to me right now.
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Jonn by taking a stance I meant besides on orgolove. Everyone is going to vote orgolove it is obviously the correct play. But after orgolove who do you plan on voting for? Who do you think is scum? Who do you think is town? These are the things we should be discussing because orgolove is pretty much a dead issue.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
chaos13- Townie. It appears likely that Forumite checked him and he has been one of the few people who haven't dropped off the face of the earth. There is a godfather possibility, but his posts don't lead me to believe so.
Mig- Leaning Townie. The best thing going for Mig is his willingness to throw around accusations. Scum usually prefer to let others do the dirty work, rather than get caught up in scum hunting. His posts have been generally pro-town, with the exception of the EternalMisfit lynch and an average voting history.
Xedat-Null Read. I'm torn on Xedat. There isn't anything in particular that makes me feel suspicious about him, but his counter-part Conversion doesn't have a pro-town post to his name. I doubt I would consider voting against him in the upcoming lynch, but I feel as town needs more information about him.
elmizzt-Suspicious. I probably sound like a broken record, but is he really still playing? The entire game he has been lurking hard. I had that weird exchange with him about blending in a while back, but that is really all I have to go by. There isn't exactly a clean argument against him, but he is someone on my radar. He was off on the Amber lynch, but gains some town cred for pushing orgolove early, assuming he pops red.
ilovejonn-Suspicious. I made an argument about him early on in the game about how he was trying to buy town cred, which he didn't deserve. Since then he has been rather quiet, playing a bored townie role. If orgo flips red, he also gains a decent about of town cred due to the whole spreadsheet argument.
I'll probably post my thoughts on DropBear and AO before night hits. I would prefer mafia did not know my opinion of these two at this point as one is rather strong.
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Night 7![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/R6J0U.png)
The town spent the day mourning their lost detective, poring over the reams of text in his office. They knew his efforts would not, could not go to waste. orgolove was heavily implicated, and before long he was making his lonely way to the gallows, with nobody defending him.
“For the Detective!” the town cried as the rope stretched taught and orgolove’s neck snapped..
orgolove the MIller is dead.
...aaaaaaaaaaaaaand it’s time for Night 8! Boy, this game sure is taking awhile... but there’s not much time left. As usual, night actions to both myself and GMarshal within the next 24 hours.
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
On May 24 2011 06:25 Mig wrote:
Everyone is going to vote orgolove it is obviously the correct play
On May 23 2011 01:40 AirbladeOrange wrote:
orgolove is my vote again.
Next in line are probably DropBear and Kita, maybe jaminz.
I don't feel like I have much to go by now though because there is too much to go by.
On May 23 2011 19:56 Xedat wrote:
I am pretty sure that orgolove is scum.
On May 22 2011 05:01 Forumite wrote:
I think orgolove is scum,
On May 22 2011 16:40 elmizzt wrote:
I voted orgolove last cycle, and I will do so again based on the same reasoning as before. Forumite's role reveal only strengthens my belief that org is scum.
On May 22 2011 17:19 DropBear wrote:
RIP Forumite and it looks like orgolove is preeeeeeeeetty fucked right now
lol.
To be fair, I should've revealed the spreadsheet after a few more days had passed. Revealing it so early allowed the red to manipulate their voting patterns and rendered the remaining data worthless.
Sigh. My involvement in this game was doomed from the start. I could've just stayed in Ver's game -_-
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I like how us dead guys are the only ones here.
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sorry I got so aggressive about your spreadsheet org. I'll take a look at it once the game is over and node releases the player list. Now that I know it wasn't a scum ploy, it might be worth taking a look at, because it's a cool idea.
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United States4714 Posts
Even tho orgolove wasn't red I mean it was obvious the town had to lynch him. He could only be miller/mafia after it was clear that forumite checked him. When we lynched him we all knew there was a big risk he was miller.
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One of the main things that has really crippled town this game is just the complete lack of townies defending themselves. Jaminz, impervious sacrificed themselves pointlessly and orgolove did nothing along with every post of his was about as anti town as possible.
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Chaos almost always either you or I will be killed tonight, most likely you unfortunately. So we should discuss who we think should be lynched tomorrow. I expect AO and elmizzit to remain completely useless and post pretty much nothing. This night might be the last chance for any real discussion to happen.
And I don't think it matters if the mafia know who we are considering it's not like there was any chance they were going to kill AO/ilj anyway.
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I guess miller was an apt role for him. RIP orgolove.
I think we should keep it quiet tonight guys. Mafia will be trying to avoid taking out people that are found suspicious. Keep your analysis to the morning, or post it at the very last second of the night.
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muhahaha
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I'll wait until the 1 minute before the day post comes to post my emoticon, so that I don't influence the scum hit.
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United States4714 Posts
On May 24 2011 13:24 DropBear wrote:
I guess miller was an apt role for him. RIP orgolove.
I think we should keep it quiet tonight guys. Mafia will be trying to avoid taking out people that are found suspicious. Keep your analysis to the morning, or post it at the very last second of the night.
Why would we keep quiet? Mafia is not gonna kill you/elmizzit/ao/ilj tonight regardless of what we say. We should not be quiet when one of the only active people left is going to be killed. We need to discuss what our best play is now while we have the chance.
If we keep quiet you are going to quickly find yourself trying to scum hunt with people who have posted 3 times in the last 2 days.
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