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United States4714 Posts
Kita my motivation is that I am trying to find the gf. Who do you think is the godfather? Do you really think they picked like AO or elmizzit as gf?
I think your posts have been mostly pro town other than being wrong about jaminz and impervious.
But look I still think the mafia are much more likely to pick a veteran player to be their gf, looking back through old games 80% of the time they picked an experienced player. The only 2 vets left are you and ilj. If orgolove flips red I don't believe that sinani and him would have just been bussing ilj constantly for the last 4 days. So by process of elimination you are a prime suspect.
And even though you have been wrong how can you deny it isn't suspicious that you are still alive? It is extremely dangerous for mafia to leave a good, active vet alive this late.
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United States4714 Posts
deny it is suspicious I mean
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On May 22 2011 14:05 Mig wrote:Formite is an inexperienced townie who is pushing hard to lynch someone they know is town. Kita is an experienced vet who most people think is town. So it seems to me that if orgolove is green it would be much better for mafia to kill kita instead of formite.
There are a few reasons they may have killed Forumite.
1. To send town into WIFOM - "He was pushing hard for orgolove, we should kill him."
2. orgolove is scum, and they didn't want the lynch leader alive for another day.
3. They picked up on a huge blue tell, as quoted.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 08 2011 07:04 Forumite wrote:
Keeping with Sandrobas suggestion, I´m checking Amber and Cthsazsa. Unfortunately I can´t get a good read on them.
About Amber. Reluctant to point fingers. Talks a bit about Chaoser, but mostly defending himself. Calling attention to the nightkills. Would have lurked much better unless tunneled by Chaoser.
Vote on Kurumi for the weak posting. Good music in his Profile.
OMGUS: Wall-of-text'ed Chaoser, not a real Omgus but that wall was almost as scary as Redtooths rules.
Took no votes at all during Day 1, but tunneling from Chaoser.
Cthsazsa, initially no real accusations, talking about inactives and how noone looks scummy. Claims noobtown. Soon starts with FoS. Objects to redtooth and his rules. Defends himself by brushing away accusations or being rude. Not afraid to get attention.
FoS and votes on: AO, Conversion, Irish, Beneather, Forumite, VarpuliS
OMGUS on: Conversion, Chaoser, possible others
2nd most votes Day 1 (5 after Kurumis 13)
Fun fact: Jackal who voted on Cth died.
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Crude postcheck, I probably missed a lot of things against them. Right now I get red/bluetell from Amber, red/green from Cthsazsa. A lot of it depends on who you decide are obvTown, because the accusers are more or less the same for both. With Cth battling or accusing Conversion, Irish, two scummy players, makes me doubt the idea of lynching either of them.
I´m having trouble backing a lynch on Cthsazsa OR Amber, and will keep my vote on Irish for now.
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United States4714 Posts
On May 22 2011 14:40 chaos13 wrote:There are a few reasons they may have killed Forumite. 1. To send town into WIFOM - "He was pushing hard for orgolove, we should kill him." 2. orgolove is scum, and they didn't want the lynch leader alive for another day. 3. They picked up on a huge blue tell, as quoted. + Show Spoiler +On May 08 2011 07:04 Forumite wrote:
Keeping with Sandrobas suggestion, I´m checking Amber and Cthsazsa. Unfortunately I can´t get a good read on them.
About Amber. Reluctant to point fingers. Talks a bit about Chaoser, but mostly defending himself. Calling attention to the nightkills. Would have lurked much better unless tunneled by Chaoser.
Vote on Kurumi for the weak posting. Good music in his Profile.
OMGUS: Wall-of-text'ed Chaoser, not a real Omgus but that wall was almost as scary as Redtooths rules.
Took no votes at all during Day 1, but tunneling from Chaoser.
Cthsazsa, initially no real accusations, talking about inactives and how noone looks scummy. Claims noobtown. Soon starts with FoS. Objects to redtooth and his rules. Defends himself by brushing away accusations or being rude. Not afraid to get attention.
FoS and votes on: AO, Conversion, Irish, Beneather, Forumite, VarpuliS
OMGUS on: Conversion, Chaoser, possible others
2nd most votes Day 1 (5 after Kurumis 13)
Fun fact: Jackal who voted on Cth died.
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Crude postcheck, I probably missed a lot of things against them. Right now I get red/bluetell from Amber, red/green from Cthsazsa. A lot of it depends on who you decide are obvTown, because the accusers are more or less the same for both. With Cth battling or accusing Conversion, Irish, two scummy players, makes me doubt the idea of lynching either of them.
I´m having trouble backing a lynch on Cthsazsa OR Amber, and will keep my vote on Irish for now.
1. Do you really believe this is true? Forumite has argued for and voted for ogolove for 2 days straight if he was still alive he would still be pushing orgolove. If orgolove is town they would want forumite alive. Instead they could have easily killed kita who is a pro town vet. The only reason for them to kill forumite if orgolove was town is if they didn't have another good option to kill but kita is right there.
2. Right if orgolove is scum gives perfect motivation for forumites death.
3. I doubt this is the case. If they picked up on a blue tell they probably would have killed him much sooner. That post is from like day2.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On May 22 2011 14:34 Mig wrote:
Kita my motivation is that I am trying to find the gf. Who do you think is the godfather? Do you really think they picked like AO or elmizzit as gf?
I think your posts have been mostly pro town other than being wrong about jaminz and impervious.
But look I still think the mafia are much more likely to pick a veteran player to be their gf, looking back through old games 80% of the time they picked an experienced player. The only 2 vets left are you and ilj. If orgolove flips red I don't believe that sinani and him would have just been bussing ilj constantly for the last 4 days. So by process of elimination you are a prime suspect.
And even though you have been wrong how can you deny it isn't suspicious that you are still alive? It is extremely dangerous for mafia to leave a good, active vet alive this late.
I've only ever been scum once and we chose annul as our godfather in his first ever game. The same exact argument was used in Haunted and it ended in a town loss because nobody suspected the newbie. Also, why would scum give me godfather over Amber when it was extremely likely he would be dt checked on night one?
I'm not sure one way or another on AO or elm. I'll have to take a closer look at them in the next cycle. Dropbear is another person I will probably have to further examine. You can use this post to hold me accountable to post my thoughts then.
I won't deny I'm surprised I'm still alive, but scum has clearly been prioritizing their hits on lynchability. There is no chance they are going to hit me over people like chaoser, Cthsazsa, kenpachi, or sandroba who would be nearly impossible to have lynched.
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On May 22 2011 14:47 Mig wrote:
1. Do you really believe this is true? Forumite has argued for and voted for ogolove for 2 days straight if he was still alive he would still be pushing orgolove. If orgolove is town they would want forumite alive. Instead they could have easily killed kita who is a pro town vet. The only reason for them to kill forumite if orgolove was town is if they didn't have another good option to kill but kita is right there.
2. Right if orgolove is scum gives perfect motivation for forumites death.
3. I doubt this is the case. If they picked up on a blue tell they probably would have killed him much sooner. That post is from like day2.
1. Probably not, but it is still a possibility
2. Is the most likely
3. There is no way to tell for sure. They could have gone looking back through the thread to see if they could find a blue tell.
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On May 22 2011 14:51 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not sure one way or another on AO or elm. I'll have to take a closer look at them in the next cycle. Dropbear is another person I will probably have to further examine. You can use this post to hold me accountable to post my thoughts then.
I suggest you do it today. We pretty much have a free day to discuss, seeing as I doubt anyone will be voting for someone other than orgolove, so we may as well take advantage of it.
I'll assume you overlooked my question earlier. What do you think of Mig?
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United States4714 Posts
On May 22 2011 14:17 kitaman27 wrote:
You do realize this is probably why I'm still alive right? Scum saw how much I wanted jaminz dead so they allowed me to live until I pushed him and he flipped green and then use the godfather suspicions against me to get me lynched late game, simply because I've played a couple more games than everyone else. That's weak.
A couple more games is a bit of an understatement. This is my 2nd game, this is elmizzit's 1st, AOs 2nd, dbs 2nd, chaos 1st on tl, conversions I think 3rd. You and ilj are way way more experienced than the remaining players.
I've only ever been scum once and we chose annul as our godfather in his first ever game. The same exact argument was used in Haunted and it ended in a town loss because nobody suspected the newbie. Also, why would scum give me godfather over Amber when it was extremely likely he would be dt checked on night one?
I agree my argument isn't 100% but in the history of tl mafia it is more likely for vets to be picked. And the part about amber applies to everyone still left in the game.
So my argument isn't just 100% omg you are the last vet you must be gf but it's the fact that A) its more likely for vet's to be chosen than newbs B) you are a good vet and yet you are still alive in the game while inexperienced players (varp and forumite) are being killed C) you were on the wrong side of the huge amber/cth lynch and you were incorrect on impervious and jaminz when you are a skilled player.
None of it is solid evidence but I think all of it combined makes you look pretty suspicious to me.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On May 22 2011 15:00 chaos13 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 14:51 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not sure one way or another on AO or elm. I'll have to take a closer look at them in the next cycle. Dropbear is another person I will probably have to further examine. You can use this post to hold me accountable to post my thoughts then. I suggest you do it today. We pretty much have a free day to discuss, seeing as I doubt anyone will be voting for someone other than orgolove, so we may as well take advantage of it. I'll assume you overlooked my question earlier. What do you think of Mig?
mkk, bedtime now but I'll post my thoughts tomorrow.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On May 22 2011 15:06 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2011 15:00 chaos13 wrote:On May 22 2011 14:51 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not sure one way or another on AO or elm. I'll have to take a closer look at them in the next cycle. Dropbear is another person I will probably have to further examine. You can use this post to hold me accountable to post my thoughts then. I suggest you do it today. We pretty much have a free day to discuss, seeing as I doubt anyone will be voting for someone other than orgolove, so we may as well take advantage of it. I'll assume you overlooked my question earlier. What do you think of Mig? mkk, bedtime now but I'll post my thoughts tomorrow.
I'll include my thoughts on Mig too after I take a look back at his posts.
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United States4714 Posts
ILJ and AO both voted recently. What are your guy's thoughts on me/kita?
Who do you think is suspicious / want lynched after orgolove?
Chaos what are your thoughts on me and kita?
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I voted orgolove last cycle, and I will do so again based on the same reasoning as before. Forumite's role reveal only strengthens my belief that org is scum.
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United States4714 Posts
On May 22 2011 16:40 elmizzt wrote:
I voted orgolove last cycle, and I will do so again based on the same reasoning as before. Forumite's role reveal only strengthens my belief that org is scum.
The orgolove vote is obvious and everyone will vote him. But who do you plan on voting for after his lynch?
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Hey guys I'm back, had a ridiculously huge night last night and only got out of bed at 4pm  . Will read up and do some analysis now.
RIP Forumite and it looks like orgolove is preeeeeeeeetty fucked right now
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To be fair, knowing that Key Lime Pie is Mafia wouldn´t have helped that much.
Lots of activity, and everyone postchecking me, all 250 posts.
Go Town!
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Vatican City State1650 Posts
Hm. If Forumite actually checked me he probably wouldn't have kept accusing me.
Still.
I'm holding my vote on ilj. And I made my point plenty of times why my vote is on it. Don't make me repeat myself.
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Sorry for being inactive, I am at my parents and don't have too much time.
I jsut rote a long post hy I think orgolove should be voted on but my parent internet died on me and everything is lost -.-
In a few words, if e don't kill orgolove after todays revealing it ould be stupid, my vote is on orgolove.
Second of all, I don't think kita is scummy only because he is alive, as mafia kills the people that are most trustorthy and not the ones that are most veteran.
All lynches after todays greatly depend on weather or not orgolove is mafia.
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On May 22 2011 16:18 Mig wrote:
ILJ and AO both voted recently. What are your guy's thoughts on me/kita?
Who do you think is suspicious / want lynched after orgolove?
Chaos what are your thoughts on me and kita?
kitaman27 - I am quite sure that he is town at this point. It is rather strange that a veteran player would still be alive at this point, but if I'm not mistaken, ilovejonn and one other (AO?) are relatively experienced as well. I had a strange feeling about him earlier, and went back to make a case against him as being scum, and I was nowhere near convinced by my own argument. His posting has been consistently pro-town.
Mig - You are one of the player who didn't quite stand out to me as much. I looked back through your posts and figured you were town. It took me a little while to find where forumite was pushing orgolove so hard, so I thought it odd that you were pushing for orgolove's lynch so hard. I decided to put a little pressure on you, and you responded well enough for my suspicions to be allayed. I am still not entirely sure that you are town, but I think you're more likely town than scum.
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On May 22 2011 19:32 orgolove wrote:
Hm. If Forumite actually checked me he probably wouldn't have kept accusing me.
Still.
I'm holding my vote on ilj. And I made my point plenty of times why my vote is on it. Don't make me repeat myself.
An up to date post analysis would be helpful. If you start acting pro-town enough you might actually make me believe you're a miller.
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On May 22 2011 16:40 elmizzt wrote:
I voted orgolove last cycle, and I will do so again based on the same reasoning as before. Forumite's role reveal only strengthens my belief that org is scum.
On May 22 2011 21:35 Xedat wrote:
Second of all, I don't think kita is scummy only because he is alive, as mafia kills the people that are most trustorthy and not the ones that are most veteran.
All lynches after todays greatly depend on weather or not orgolove is mafia.
What do you two think of AirbladeOrange?
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