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Questions to All Persons
Intent:
Discussion is quite slow at the moment. I have addressed questions to each participant to promote further conversation, whether directly to myself, or to others.
Please take the time and respond to these accordingly.
If you have qualms replying to my content, please notify myself and the rest of town, why you deem this unnecessary.
- cDgCorazon
+ Show Spoiler +(1) What do you make of Spaghetticus and his request for scum QT knowledge. If the motives are indeed town in nature, do you think it aligns with the reasoning he presented? (2) At this stage, TeMiL & OmniEulogy have roughly the same contribution (= zilch). Which candidate do you think we should target for more information? Please lead the discussion as you did today with the opening post 
- OmniEulogy
+ Show Spoiler +(1) You mentioned not lynching lurkers D1, instead town needs to actively scum hunt. Between myself and Spaghetticus; who do you think needs to be questioned first? Please lead the discussion.
- jampidampi
+ Show Spoiler +(1) With your sole post, you succintly laid down your stance on lurkers. I congratulate this efficiency of words. I understand timezones/real life schedule impacts ability to post; regardless, if this was your sole post cum lynch deadline. Using your logic, why would town choose to vote another lurker compared to your "current" self?
(2) StriX is a man also of few words. Do you think StriX is a person worth questioning further? If so, please lead the discussion. If not, please nominate an alternative.
- zarepath
+ Show Spoiler +(1) I am keen to hear your thoughts in general during the USA shift.
(2) If stuck on items to discuss, please direct any concerns you have over my play to me to address.
- Spaghetticus
+ Show Spoiler +(1) What do you make of cDgCorazons play so far. What do you think of his reaction to my lynch vote? (2) Jampidampi addressed a reasonable question towards thou; would you care to indulge us with your riposte? On January 03 2013 16:25 jampidampi wrote:@Spaghetticus Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 11:42 Spaghetticus wrote:
DO NOT LURK. IDGAF WHO PLAYS SCUMMY I WILL BE VOTING THE LURKIEST PLAYER DAY ONE PERIOD. So you would rather lynch a lurker than a strong scumread D1? (3) On January 03 2013 11:42 Spaghetticus wrote:
This is my third game. First game I played standard town as cop. Second game I played as VT and was a little(lot!) too passive. I was lynched day one for not scumhunting, and in doing so saved their MVP scum player. I think I might dally with standard play once more to get my confidence back up :D
How do you characterise your standard play? So far, your post count to post quality ratio is skewed heavily towards post count [NOT a good sign] (4) On January 03 2013 19:51 Spaghetticus wrote:Show nested quote +Is it not curious, at this early stage in the game. Spag ALREADY feels the need to distance himself from being town PERCEIVED as knowledgable in "scum behaviour". [a] (1) ... (2) I did not want to look at the OP. I chose to elucidate it out of laziness, but also because of the small potential to generate discussion. There was no downside in my mind. (3) ... [b] I am relatively knowledgeable in scum behaviour. I am not knowledgeable about the specifics, though I was not trying to tell you this, I was merely asking for information. In no way am I claiming not to know about scum behaviour, as this would damage my ability to further my agenda whether I be town or scum. Your claim is wishful thinking or deliberate misinterpretation. Frankly Spag, I do not care for your response(s). (a2) Admiting laziness is not a solid town trait Spag. You know this. Its not indicative of scum play either. You know this as well. As they cancel each other out, let us now consider your potential to generate "small discussion" due to Scum QT. What did you have in mind? Please lead this discussion. (b) I never stated you were directly claiming to have limited scum gameplay knowledge. I called you out, because I expect a player of 3 games to know the answer to what you asked. Even as a player of 1 game, I knew that answer. There must be a motive, and that is what I want to find out. I will await your response to (a2) before deciding how to proceed with this.
- Sylencia
+ Show Spoiler +(1) You questioned Spaghetticus behaviour as pretty slack, or pretty scum. Which are you leaning towards? Do you think your thought process is being swayed by wanting to find mafia, or do you find peculiarities in Spags phrasing making you consider scum play at hand?
(2) You identified StriX as the last contributor. Who else do you think needs to step it up? Please let these people know as you did with StriX.
- StriX
+ Show Spoiler +(1) You mention keeping it simple, Lynch the liars + lurkers. Please expand on this. Would you chose liars/lurkers over top scum read?
(2) Noone is asking you to support the summary idea; thus, how do you propose to support town play?
(3) Your post contribution currently is on par with TeMiL and zarepath. If we are you Lynch all lurkers, which of (TeMiL, zarepath, StriX) shall town vote to lynch? Please lead the scum hunt with your chosen candidate.
- TeMiL
+ Show Spoiler +(1) We are yet to have any meaningful contribution from yourself. Please share your thoughts of how Day1 has proceeded (not seeking a summary/recap; moreso, your perceptions on who is suspicious so far)
(2) What do you think of OmniEulogy and his position to not lynch lurkers. (Lurkers typically have low contribution/quality; and thus, represent your current self)
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Post Count Summary
Intent:
To identify participants "flying under the radar" and not actively contributing.
The intent is not to provide a quality check on posts
That onus falls upon all of town individually.
Session 1
From: 03-Jan: 0930
To: 03-Jan: 2130
+ Show Spoiler +- cDgCorazon: 7
- Sylencia: 8
- OmniEulogy: 2
- Spaghetticus: 15
- Mocsta: 7 (8 if you include this post)
- zarepath: 2
- TeMil: 2
- jampidampi: 1
- StriX: 3
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For your questions:
1) More slack than scum. At a glance, it looks like it could be a really obvious scum play, but after looking at it again it looks like it's just laziness.
2) Pretty much all of us should be stepping it up. With only a couple of pages of discussion going on, it's really hard for any reads to come out.
To all the first time players: Don't be scared to post. I was the first time because I didn't know what to write. I still don't know what to write. However, flying under the radar doesn't really do us any good, nor does it do you any good, that's why I'm aiming to post more than I did in my first two games, where I didn't exactly have the most input in the town. If you're town, then you should have nothing to hide from us, and telling us your thoughts will help us deduce who is and isn't town.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 03 2013 22:08 Mocsta wrote:
(1) With your sole post, you succintly laid down your stance on lurkers. I congratulate this efficiency of words. I understand timezones/real life schedule impacts ability to post; regardless, if this was your sole post cum lynch deadline. Using your logic, why would town choose to vote another lurker compared to your "current" self?
(2) StriX is a man also of few words. Do you think StriX is a person worth questioning further? If so, please lead the discussion. If not, please nominate an alternative.
I don't think we can call anyone a lurker yet. It has been only 12 hours since the game started, and no analysis/cases have been posted. Once we get a case rolling, be it a scum or town read, we can get discussion and opinions. The only action so far is Mocstas vote for cDgcorazon based on metaread from the one game he played earlier. I'm reading through Newbie Mini Mafia XXXIII to get an idea the meta of others. Expect some analysis in while.
As to why you shouldn't lynch the current me: I prefer only to post if it has a meaning. Answearing questing and asking them. Sharing my reads on someone. Unnecessary spam just clutters the thread and hides important post.
StriX is certainly a person worth questioning. Using your own newbines as an argument is usually associated with being scum, not to mention he hasn't posted much. He has no contributions to speak of. So StriX:
- Who are analysing/suspecting?
- Do you have any prior mafia experience outside TL?
@All
Keep the spam like weather updates out of this thread. It only helps the mafia.
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(1) You mention keeping it simple, Lynch the liars + lurkers. Please expand on this. Would you chose liars/lurkers over top scum read?
(2) Noone is asking you to support the summary idea; thus, how do you propose to support town play?
(3) Your post contribution currently is on par with TeMiL and zarepath. If we are you Lynch all lurkers, which of (TeMiL, zarepath, StriX) shall town vote to lynch? Please lead the scum hunt with your chosen candidate.
1. Doesn't seem logical to do that so no. As you can deal with a lying or lurking town with less punishment than .5?-1 death/night.
2. No ideas yet honestly - still getting the hang of who is who.
3. Zarepath at the moment - mainly due to his policy on no lynch. Town environment can be improved and giving a lynch which could potentially be a free scum kill away seems too steep a price to pay.
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Good to see you asked Spag about the generate discussion thing Mocsta, I was meaning to post that when I first read it - completely forgot about it, then remembered again but read your questions to everyone first 
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On January 03 2013 22:47 StriX wrote:
3. Zarepath at the moment - mainly due to his policy on no lynch. Town environment can be improved and giving a lynch which could potentially be a free scum kill away seems too steep a price to pay.
Expanding on this, no lynch (especially on day 1) doesn't help us whatsoever. We get no information out of it, and we're stuck with most likely the same situation the next day, but with one less townie. Mafia obviously wouldn't care about this, and would welcome a no lynch with open arms.
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@jampidampi
-just answered
-some RL mafia experience and very little online experience.
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@StriX
Do you have a link to an online mafia you played? Getting a sense of your meta would allow me to get more information from your posts.
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Nice post Moc
In regard to your question to Omni:
(1) You mentioned not lynching lurkers D1, instead town needs to actively scum hunt. Between myself and Spaghetticus; who do you think needs to be questioned first? Please lead the discussion. - Mocsta
This is scummy. You know that Omni and I have a very different approach to mafia, and last game we both found it almost impossible to not see the other as scum (we were both town). You also know Omni has a tendency to bandwagon as town, and that between you and I the current atmosphere favours you over me (you haven't been called out, I have).
By having attention brought upon both of us, you expect pressure to only be put on me. This post on it's own looks like you are trying to get someone else to set up the bandwagon for you, so you can remove responsibility from yourself when I flip town. This play in a void makes you look scummy IMO, however you do later offer yourself as a target of suspicion when rousing Zare:
(2) If stuck on items to discuss, please direct any concerns you have over my play to me to address.
- Mocsta
In my eyes this goes some way to dilute your guilt, though not dismiss it. You know this is Zare's second game and that he has zero town experience. You do not expect him to be able to make a case on you, and up until your last post, there was no sign of one. By inviting people to scrutinize your play you have not taken a risk be you town or scum, but you have increased the pressure on me from other players, which is scummy. This is not mere rousing, you have lit a fire under people and slyly directed it at me.
Just so it's clear, by "dilute your guilt", the second quote dilutes the first it by being closer to a null read, it is still half scummy.
You have also been leaping on irrelevant details (from my perspective), inflating them beyond their importance. Soft claiming 'not scum' is far too crass a move for my style and you know it. I can see that you are doing everything you can to promote town activity, and I believe this is within what is reasonable to expect from you, so I won't call scum read on this.
I would like to point out however, that picking on small and probably* meaningless discrepancies is a great scum tactic for promoting confusion, and so would suggest you lay off the UberHolmsing if you feel that the balance of probability dictates that you are more likely to mislead town. This is not a defense of my slip*. By all means, hammer me for the mistake I have already made (it was a mistake whether I be town or scum), but for the sake of town please consider the potential implications.
I will now address your questions that were directed at me.
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(1) We are yet to have any meaningful contribution from yourself. Please share your thoughts of how Day1 has proceeded (not seeking a summary/recap; moreso, your perceptions on who is suspicious so far)
well mafia looks like Clue right now xD
am trying to understand and be more friendly with the terminology so thats why i cant say who is who right now.
in the next hour ill make my ideas but now i'm working T_T
(2) What do you think of OmniEulogy and his position to not lynch lurkers. (Lurkers typically have low contribution/quality; and thus, represent your current self)
i think everyone can choose his way to play. for me i thank that position cause like u said i'm like a lurker right now and he wont lynch me ^ ^. but that situation will change everyday while am growing in my role... ill hope so
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After reading Spag's filter, I might backtrack my statement a little and say that I am now having some suspicions on him.
On January 03 2013 11:42 Spaghetticus wrote:
DO NOT LURK. IDGAF WHO PLAYS SCUMMY I WILL BE VOTING THE LURKIEST PLAYER DAY ONE PERIOD.
Saying you're going to vote out the lurkiest player, combined with the scum qt question both add up to being a bit more suspicious than lazy (on the second part at least).
FoS: Spag
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@jampidampi
can pretty much explain to you and sylencia can confirm as he was moderator for that game. (mods can confirm I signed up from his ip?). We know each other in RL and he's the catalyst for me being in this game.
I was a VT which lurked quite a bit too much early game (20/20 hindsight). Misread towards the end and kept posting analysis which supported my theory and was kind of blind to a lurking mafia which lost the town the game.
0/10 do not wish to repeat.
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Naturally though, I am not discussing any of this with him outside the game (he is hard enough to contact as is)
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@StriX
Reading the actual posts allows me to compare them to your posts in this thread, so if the game still exists, could link it?
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@jampidampi
was on facebook so privacy of others involved etc., Sorry. Occassional frequency but long posts was my modus operandi.
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Me talking about no-lynch was theoretical in regard to a blind lurker lynch, and I stand by it; however, I personally think we'll have a good enough read by the end of Day 1 for a more than fair shot at a scum. I think most lurking concerns so far have more to do with overlapping time zones than anything else.
Reads:
I agree with Mocsta on Spaghetticus -- the question about the mafia QT is suspicious, and his responses have an over-defensive tone, with a lot of "I don't knows" and "your claims are wishful thinking or deliberate misinterpretation." A townie would not be so defensive as to attack the person voting -- a townie would know, and agree, that not knowing something like that would be a kind of scum tell, and certainly wouldn't attack the other townie for "wishful thinking or deliberate misinterpretation."
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In light of Spag's response (while I was writing my post), I'd like to elaborate on my read of Spag, but will await his forthcoming response to Mocsta's Q's. Meanwhile, I am checking a few other filters.
StriX: Do you consider my no-lynch comment more scummy than any other contribution in this thread?
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zarepath: Rationalizing no-lynch is nothing by itself.
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StriX: Again, do you consider my no-lynch comment more scummy than anything else that's happened? And who do you suspect the most right now?
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