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monk
United States8476 Posts
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Vivax
22043 Posts
According to BassInSpace, roflwaffle55 bandwagoned with the Release criticism. I took a look at his post again, and it's true. It's a very soft criticism too. Actually a mistake by me in calling it an early post. There were FoS on Release out already at that point when rofl made his first post. With this, I have no reason to believe he might be town yet. I still find Esspen's behavior to be strange, and I wouldn't be able to choose between him and rofl decisively yet. Esspen on the other hand posted more, but has one potential slip. Since NrG announced himself and two of the lurkers are hard to choose from, I'll simply place my vote on AegonC and await further developments/good posts. | ||
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Esspen
Croatia29 Posts
Case on BioSC: His posts before someone accused him as lurker: On June 25 2012 11:01 BioSC wrote: I like Esspen. A man after my own heart! I've played in one other newbie mafia game, and lurking town + scum made it hard to make reads. So post, and post often, lest I find you and do horrible things to your bodies. And hi everyone else! On June 25 2012 12:57 BioSC wrote: Right now would be the perfect time to discuss it, seeing as we've been talking about it since game start. Now would be a good time to say some things, seeing as how you have the first vote and all. On June 26 2012 03:32 BioSC wrote: @ JieXian - We have 48 hours from the day 1 post to decide a lynch target, and then 24 hours to submit night actions. The mafia get to shoot at this time as well. Then it all starts over. So far he has said the obvious, embraced the discussion (while not adding anything to it - this is just weird) and answered a question. Contribution to town - zero. But after he gets mentioned as a possible target for lynch for being a lurker, he gets active and tries to put the focus on the other lurker who is even more lurkerious. He also mentiones he's not lurker which can only mean that he saw himself being active - might indicate that he wrote such vacuous things for a reason. Also he attacks the one who proposed him for the lynch. His posts after getting accused for being a lurker: On June 26 2012 12:12 BioSC wrote: I'm confused... You want to change policy to lynching lurkers, but want to lynch me because I'm not lurking? Huh... On June 26 2012 12:41 BioSC wrote: Whatever. My point was that you want to lynch lurkers. AegonC isn't going to be modkilled. He's met the quota (Barely, but he has) Release called you out on your first policy, and now you are shifting to lurkers. On June 26 2012 13:03 BioSC wrote: Sorry, I'm not going to make a case on myself for you. If you believe me to be scum, make the case. Look through my filter. I've discussed policy (Hint: I want people to post too) You are voting for me? Why? Am I a lurker? I'm not even sure you know why you are voting for me. We've done and posted about pretty much the same things. So, I bounce the question back to you. What makes me a lurker, a candidate for YOUR policy, over someone who's filter I can quote in 4 lines? + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2012 03:09 AegonC wrote: /in This is my first mafia game, I believe I am signing up correctly. On June 25 2012 10:22 AegonC wrote: Perhaps the best way to approach this situation is circumspectly, that is to say don't rush into any stupid decisions. I agree with Hopeless1der, truth should be our banner and justice our sigil! On June 26 2012 13:43 BioSC wrote: ## Vote Hopeless1der Odd, because I was about to say similar to you. You have yet to explain to me why I've met your random, mysterious qualities for lurking, over someone with bare minimum posting standards. Here's me not discussing policy - + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2012 11:01 BioSC wrote: I like Esspen. A man after my own heart! I've played in one other newbie mafia game, and lurking town + scum made it hard to make reads. So post, and post often, lest I find you and do horrible things to your bodies. And hi everyone else! Hmm... so lets see, now who's meeting policy? Don't try to make a half assed case on me and ignore portions of my filter, especially this early, there is no reason for it. We wanted policy talk done early. I made my statement about lurkers, and that was it. Now, lets go through YOUR posts. Your opening post contains some cliche townie wisdom/ Your "policy" (don't lie) wrapped up in some cute dialect. 2-4th posts are you floundering about when Release calls you out on your policy. Trying to make yourself seem better when you are called out (I.E. excuse making.) Then this post: + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2012 04:46 Hopeless1der wrote: FOS:Esspen Blues are townies as well, yes? In what game would your suggestion be beneficial to the town? Certainly not a newbie game. This is an insane statement to make, regardless of "I wanted to see the reactions." Also, Release hasn't really questioned you except for the whole "OMGUS" as the opening post: Oh noes...Granted Release is attacking just about anyone right now, but that's to get things going. Your statement was ridiculous and right now, I'm suspect you of trying to shift the attention back onto him since he's been so vocal that it makes him an easier target. Release has gone to bed, so his pressure is off you, and now you begin shifting attention away from yourself. Start with the easiest case, Esspen with his really bad "joke" statement. Easy target to shift focus to. Finally, we arrive to your 3rd policy of the day, Lurkers. No one is really biting on Esspen for whatever reason, so you need to find something that sticks. Lurkers gets some comments, as some people have already expressed interest in that policy. So your choices are arbitrarily narrowed down to 2 people. If you honestly expect people to follow your lynch lurker policy, Aegon would have probably been a better choice. Hell, I may have gone along with you. But for whatever reason you have yet to explain adequately, you focus me. I think you may have made a few too many scumslips. You can stick to policy lynching lurkers. I'll policy lynch scum. On June 26 2012 13:51 BioSC wrote: Don't think I've forgotten about you Aegon FOS Aegon Step up the activity. If you don't want to be next. I'm going to bed. See everyone in the morning. Now on Release: There is just something wrong with him. Seems like a smart guy, might as well be the most heard one so noone would assume he's mafia. Why would anyone assume that the most outgoing person is mafia? That's it on him. Anyway we should all reach some consensus for whom to vote, and then all vote for him. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On June 27 2012 04:12 Esspen wrote: Contribution to town - zero. Its also a plurality lynch: Whoever has the most votes in a given day gets lynched. Does not require majority. This also means that I am currently on the chopping block. Keep an eye out for bandwagoners. | ||
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Vivax
22043 Posts
Esspen follows Hopeless1der with a case. I think initially it was good by Hopeless to get BioSC out of his cover, but I'm not liking the followup. Points of accusation against Bio are the lurking and the lack of content in his posts before he had to defend. He sure should be subject to discussion and I am not sure what to think of him yet. He has yet to post some reads. But just skipping over his defense that he stopped lurking isn't ok imo. You are just giving other lurkers more options to keep lurking if you only have 1 target you're still accusing for lurking after he unlurked. I would rather like Bio posting good cases to prove that he's valuable to town rather than having him defend himself when he already did. | ||
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Vivax
22043 Posts
On June 27 2012 04:27 Hopeless1der wrote: Its also a plurality lynch: Whoever has the most votes in a given day gets lynched. Does not require majority. This also means that I am currently on the chopping block. Keep an eye out for bandwagoners. I'm highlighting this for the guys who say they vote for the majority cause they fear No lynch (hey, Esspen). No Lynch isn't possible here, you will only vote for the ones you truly believe to be mafia, and not try to hide behind the majority. If you do vote hiding behind a majority, it will come back to haunt you cause it's scummy. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
His actions are not very committed to any stance except escaping from under my thumb. Things are said, but they are of very little consequence. As for other lurkers, NrGmonk has let us know he is very busy. We've yet to hear from AegonC. Both of them have not really contributed to town. But BioSC has had plenty of posts and opportunities to chime in and support discussions and has not done so. Maybe he needs more time? Maybe I should let up? Who knows, but his actions paint him scum on my canvas and so I voted for him. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On June 27 2012 04:33 Vivax wrote: I'm highlighting this for the guys who say they vote for the majority cause they fear No lynch (hey, Esspen). No Lynch isn't possible here, you will only vote for the ones you truly believe to be mafia, and not try to hide behind the majority. If you do vote hiding behind a majority, it will come back to haunt you cause it's scummy. I hope you wouldn't hold it against me if I bandwagoned to keep myself alive. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I think BioSC is Active Lurking. | ||
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dNa
Germany591 Posts
he strikes me as the guy who wants to stay under the radar the most, swim with the stream. I'm not really seeing any REAL tells by the guys you all voted on so far. even though hopeless's switch of 'targets' seems a bit odd to me, it just seems to me that he just did not post a "yeah okay, you are right, lynching lurkers might be better". lynching someone just based on such a 'missing link' seems hapharzadly to me. Release might want to play the "i'm so active in this thread there is no way that you can really see me as a threat"-card, but again, so far he has not given any real tells, besides his very fast vote, which might just be a way to start a discussion, that might very well just be his play style For the judgement of BioSC i'd like to refer to Vivax's post here, since this basically said everything I thought. I really hope you people don't get into the hopeless1nder vs BioSC fight, and instead really think about if all the stuff they said really makes them look like scum. | ||
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BioSC
United States636 Posts
On June 27 2012 04:43 Hopeless1der wrote: Even after I pressured BioSC, he responded with an OMGUS and to me still has not contributed to any other discussions. Instead he has been trying to counter-case me. He did comment on Aegon lurking but never followed up. His actions are not very committed to any stance except escaping from under my thumb. Things are said, but they are of very little consequence. As for other lurkers, NrGmonk has let us know he is very busy. We've yet to hear from AegonC. Both of them have not really contributed to town. But BioSC has had plenty of posts and opportunities to chime in and support discussions and has not done so. Maybe he needs more time? Maybe I should let up? Who knows, but his actions paint him scum on my canvas and so I voted for him. If you really think my case against you was OMGUS, you need to learn what a case is. | ||
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BioSC
United States636 Posts
On June 27 2012 04:55 Hopeless1der wrote: My vote against BioSC boils down to: + Show Spoiler + I think BioSC is Active Lurking. Phew... we finally learn what constitutes "Lurking" In the eyes of Hopeless. Here's the definition taken from his link. + Show Spoiler + Examples of active lurking include posts made only of taunts, excuses for not posting, incoherent gibberish that will lead people to suspect that you do not have the Internet savvy to play Mafia, general bland agreement with whatever is going on, and so forth. For the less couth readers, this is frequently called "bullshitting" in MeatWorld. Posts made only of taunts - nope Excuses for not posting - nope incoherent gibberesh - perhaps if someone didn't speak english, nope Bland agreement - I'm the only one to make a case on you, so gonna disagree there. I really hope people aren't buying his weak case over his obvious scummy actions. I'm going to work out, be back in an hour and a half. I'll make some more reads if that's what you really want. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On June 27 2012 05:57 BioSC wrote: Phew... we finally learn what constitutes "Lurking" In the eyes of Hopeless. Here's the definition taken from his link. + Show Spoiler + Examples of active lurking include posts made only of taunts, excuses for not posting, incoherent gibberish that will lead people to suspect that you do not have the Internet savvy to play Mafia, general bland agreement with whatever is going on, and so forth. For the less couth readers, this is frequently called "bullshitting" in MeatWorld. Posts made only of taunts - nope Excuses for not posting - nope incoherent gibberesh - perhaps if someone didn't speak english, nope Bland agreement - I'm the only one to make a case on you, so gonna disagree there. I really hope people aren't buying his weak case over his obvious scummy actions. I'm going to work out, be back in an hour and a half. I'll make some more reads if that's what you really want. First off, those are examples, not an exhaustive list of what constitutes active lurking. Also: + Show Spoiler + but the material posted is irrelevant or otherwise useless for scumhunting See Also: On June 26 2012 03:32 BioSC wrote: @ JieXian - We have 48 hours from the day 1 post to decide a lynch target, and then 24 hours to submit night actions. The mafia get to shoot at this time as well. Then it all starts over. This isn't all that bad, but it still counts towards my case against you. I would prefer to let the mods sort out the rules in the future Secondly: Posts made only of taunts (this ones a stretch, and one of the last posts hes made but still...implies I'm stupid.) + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2012 05:52 BioSC wrote: If you really think my case against you was OMGUS, you need to learn what a case is. Excuses for not posting: + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2012 13:03 BioSC wrote: Sorry, I'm not going to make a case on myself for you. If you believe me to be scum, make the case. Look through my filter. I've discussed policy (Hint: I want people to post too) You are voting for me? Why? Am I a lurker? I'm not even sure you know why you are voting for me. We've done and posted about pretty much the same things. So, I bounce the question back to you. What makes me a lurker, a candidate for YOUR policy, over someone who's filter I can quote in 4 lines? + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2012 03:09 AegonC wrote: /in This is my first mafia game, I believe I am signing up correctly. On June 25 2012 10:22 AegonC wrote: Perhaps the best way to approach this situation is circumspectly, that is to say don't rush into any stupid decisions. I agree with Hopeless1der, truth should be our banner and justice our sigil! Incoherent Gibberish: + Show Spoiler + Okay you didn't meet this one...yet Bland Agreement: + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2012 11:01 BioSC wrote: I like Esspen. A man after my own heart! I've played in one other newbie mafia game, and lurking town + scum made it hard to make reads. So post, and post often, lest I find you and do horrible things to your bodies. And hi everyone else! Last thing: + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2012 05:57 BioSC wrote: SNIP I'm going to work out, be back in an hour and a half. I'll make some more reads if that's what you really want. 3 hours left to deadline at time of post. Which leaves you about an hour and a half for you to make some reads and allow people time to review in order to decide who to vote for. That's some serious scum maneuvering right there. If people are unsure of whether to vote BioSC and are in a tossup between a couple of choices, I'd propose temp-voting BioSC until he at the very least provides the reads he has kind of said he'd be willing to do...you know, if that's what we really want | ||
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BioSC
United States636 Posts
On June 27 2012 06:32 Hopeless1der wrote: First off, those are examples, not an exhaustive list of what constitutes active lurking. Also: + Show Spoiler + but the material posted is irrelevant or otherwise useless for scumhunting See Also: On June 26 2012 03:32 BioSC wrote: @ JieXian - We have 48 hours from the day 1 post to decide a lynch target, and then 24 hours to submit night actions. The mafia get to shoot at this time as well. Then it all starts over. This isn't all that bad, but it still counts towards my case against you. I would prefer to let the mods sort out the rules in the future He asked a question. I knew the answer. This is a newbie game. I suppose I'll just let everyone fend for themselves from now on, because that is scummy. Secondly: Posts made only of taunts (this ones a stretch, and one of the last posts hes made but still...implies I'm stupid.) + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2012 05:52 BioSC wrote: If you really think my case against you was OMGUS, you need to learn what a case is. I don't make personal attacks. Don't imply that I do. If you don't know what OMGUS is, that is ignorance. I did not OMGUS. Making a case isn't OMGUS. This is OMGUS - (Insert your accusal of me being a lurker) "OMG you think I'm a lurker! You must be scum! (Votes you back) Excuses for not posting: + Show Spoiler + On June 26 2012 13:03 BioSC wrote: Sorry, I'm not going to make a case on myself for you. If you believe me to be scum, make the case. Look through my filter. I've discussed policy (Hint: I want people to post too) You are voting for me? Why? Am I a lurker? I'm not even sure you know why you are voting for me. We've done and posted about pretty much the same things. So, I bounce the question back to you. What makes me a lurker, a candidate for YOUR policy, over someone who's filter I can quote in 4 lines? If you really think I'm going to make a case on myself for why I'm scum, I really can't help you. It's not my job to tell you why I'm scummy. I'm not, and you have failed to do so adequately. + Show Spoiler + On June 17 2012 03:09 AegonC wrote: /in This is my first mafia game, I believe I am signing up correctly. On June 25 2012 10:22 AegonC wrote: Perhaps the best way to approach this situation is circumspectly, that is to say don't rush into any stupid decisions. I agree with Hopeless1der, truth should be our banner and justice our sigil! Incoherent Gibberish: + Show Spoiler + Okay you didn't meet this one...yet I won't. Me, Release, Vivax, and Keiriathi are the only ones making sense atm. Bland Agreement: + Show Spoiler + On June 25 2012 11:01 BioSC wrote: I like Esspen. A man after my own heart! I've played in one other newbie mafia game, and lurking town + scum made it hard to make reads. So post, and post often, lest I find you and do horrible things to your bodies. And hi everyone else! Uh huh. One of the first posts of the game (7th) and I began the policy talk on lurkers. Totally agreeing with people blindly there. Last thing: + Show Spoiler + On June 27 2012 05:57 BioSC wrote: SNIP I'm going to work out, be back in an hour and a half. I'll make some more reads if that's what you really want. 3 hours left to deadline at time of post. Which leaves you about an hour and a half for you to make some reads and allow people time to review in order to decide who to vote for. That's some serious scum maneuvering right there. If people are unsure of whether to vote BioSC and are in a tossup between a couple of choices, I'd propose temp-voting BioSC until he at the very least provides the reads he has kind of said he'd be willing to do...you know, if that's what we really want Responses in spoilers in bold Honestly, your case is bad and I don't know how to make people see it more. I don't need to make reads. The read I want dead is right here. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
Votecount: Votes for Hopeless1der (2): BioSC Release Votes for roflwaffles55 (2): BassInSpace dNa Votes for BioSC (1): Hopeless1der Votes for Release (1): JieXian Votes for AegonC (1): Vivax Not voting: AegonC roflewaffles55 Keirathi NrGmonk Esspen Currently, Hopeless1der is set to be lynched. Note: You must post in this thread once per day/night cycle and vote every day while you are alive. If you fail to do so, you will be modkilled. | ||
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BioSC
United States636 Posts
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
##Unvote BioSC ##Vote roflwaffles55 | ||
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Esspen
Croatia29 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. | ||
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