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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 03 2012 22:56 GMT
#221
Okay, what do you think about my refutation of your argument that Timeaisis isn't scum because GMarshal wouldn't put first gamers on the scum team?

Maybe this will work, even though I doubt it ...

Are the teams balanced or are they RNG'd?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
February 03 2012 22:56 GMT
#222
I´d already prepare for switching my vote, if i was you, Sinensis. There won´t be enough votes on Sentinel, if he doesn´t make some huge mistakes before the deadline
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
February 03 2012 23:03 GMT
#223
On February 04 2012 07:56 prplhz wrote:
Okay, what do you think about my refutation of your argument that Timeaisis isn't scum because GMarshal wouldn't put first gamers on the scum team?

Maybe this will work, even though I doubt it ...

Are the teams balanced or are they RNG'd?


I agree with that refutation, that game you posted wasn't even that long ago.
Sinensis
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2513 Posts
February 03 2012 23:04 GMT
#224
Also I would really like to know the answer to that question too...
Timeaisis
Profile Joined January 2012
23 Posts
February 03 2012 23:04 GMT
#225
On February 04 2012 07:43 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 07:24 Sinensis wrote:
Timeaisis made his first post on TL in this mafia forum. First game first post, obviously he's new. You believe the dungeon master put him in a scum role?

I don't. I think you're defending Sentinel, like I said you would, just like Bluelightz did, because you're scum too and so is Bluelightz.

It is really hard for me to argue with that first argument because it's so terrible that if you can't see how terrible it is right now, then you maybe never be able to see it. First something we can both agree on: The number of posts you have does not make you better or worse at mafia. Second: Just because you have played a lot of mafia doesn't necessarily make you better at mafia.

Your argument is purely speculation, you haven't looked into old games with similar setup that GMarshal has hosted have you? I haven't looked through all of those I posted earlier but I remember my very first game on this forum, which was hosted by the very GMarshal and had a similar theme. Here's the rolelist. Three scum, all first gamers. They won the game as you can see.

Now you are also speculating that [UoN]Sentinel is scum because I am defending him. This is again bad logic. Say that you think that I am scum, I could be defending [UoN]Sentinel because he is scum and I don't want him to die, or I could be defending him because he is town and I want to buy town credit with him or in case it looks like he's getting lynched, town credit with the surviving town. Both are possible so my alignment tells you absolutely nothing about [UoN]Sentinel's alignment. What does tell you something about my alignment are my arguments. If I have bad arguments then I have no reason as townie to be defending [UoN]Sentinel in the first place, which makes me either wrong or scum.

Which is why you need to look at the arguments and not go about speculating like that. Your case has absolutely no merits and you should really look at it and realize this very soon and switch to Timeaisis.


I'm still trying to figure out why you and sentinel are fixated on me. Is it the fact that I agreed with a lot of people early game and cast a vote for sentinel (which you're calling bandwagonging) after two others had done similarly? I just don't see how that makes me scum. Did I contradict myself or lie at some point? My acting "suspicious" is taken off of my:

1) early voting
2) general neutrality early game
3) agreement with some late game sound logic (mderg's analyis of Sentinel, which I still think is the best case against him)

Is that really that suspicious? I'm just trying to figure out why I have a targetpainted on my back. Yeah, my reasoning for sentinel may not be 100% steel trap, but he was my first inclination, other than you. So are you really calling me out because I'm sticking to my first instinct? I mean, sure that may be a poor strategy, but does it mean I'm scum?

In my opinion, I'm being pretty consistent. I've said in the beginning that I suspect Sentinel, bluelightz, and you. I have not changed my stance on that for since I first said it. So, from here, it seems like I'm getting votes because of my opinion on you and those other two.
GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-03 23:37:04
February 03 2012 23:06 GMT
#226
On February 04 2012 07:56 prplhz wrote:

Are the teams balanced or are they RNG'd?

As with all my mini setups, roles assignments are determined by using random.org.

Also, 3 hours and 50 minutes to the lynch. Remember that zbot requires you to format your vote correctly or else it won't take it. Also remember that you MUST vote or be modkilled.
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mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
February 03 2012 23:34 GMT
#227
I don´t see enough evidence to keep my vote on Sentinel right now. There isn´t anything about him that makes him suspicious enough to justify a lynch.

##Unvote: [UoN]Sentinel
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
February 03 2012 23:58 GMT
#228
Sup guys I'm back gonna look over the thread, I also can stay here for the deadline if needed
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
February 04 2012 00:02 GMT
#229
On the voting situation:

Get a derpin Majority our vote count doesnt look good.(4-3-1-1-1-1 split, not including mderg)
Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 04 2012 00:09 GMT
#230
Hey. I'm going to do one last attempt with you Sinensis

You are voting [UoN]Sentinel not because of anybody else's analysis but because of your own. Your own analysis consists of pointing out that he bandwagon'd you, a reference to mderg's analysis (which he himself doesn't even think is sufficient), and him having to go to swimming practice but promising to be back later. This is in no way convincing.

Don't you think that town has ever been second on a vote train? mderg wrote in his original analysis that he didn't think [UoN]Sentinel was worth a lynch, only that he was top suspect, and he's just now retracted his vote. [UoN]Sentinel has been open and active in this thread, he's responded to criticism already and doesn't seem like he's hiding anything, everything points at him actually just having swimming practice and he'll actually be back later to answer more questions. Timaisis on the other hand at first reacted to an accusation with posts like this. Not very open. Do you think that Timaisis reacted in a more townie way to pressure than [UoN]Sentinel?

I don't think you're scum by the way, I never really did. I'm arguing with you because you're here and because your vote is in the wrong place.



@Timeaisis mderg has the best case on [UoN]Sentinel in the whole thread? What other cases are there? And funny how the author of the best case in the thread on somebody isn't even convinced himself, huh? Doesn't matter really, any person in your situation would push for the other guy's lynch.

@mderg Do you want a no-lynch? Do you think that Timeaisis is town?

@Bluelightz Timeaisis or [UoN]Sentinel?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
sinani206
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1959 Posts
February 04 2012 00:15 GMT
#231
OK, I don't think you people understand.
Get your fucking votes on Sentinel or Timeasis.
We can't risk a NL on Day 1.
In case you don't understand,
This game uses Extended Majority Lynch. That is, at the deadline the player with a majority of votes is lynched (majority = 1/2 the remaining players, rounded down + 1), if no one has a majority then no lynch will take place.


THIS MEANS YOU:
Bluelightz
Vilonis
TheToast
BaronFel
mderg


Also @prplhz:
lol
literally everything is wifom just shut the fuck up
BaronFel
Profile Joined July 2009
United States155 Posts
February 04 2012 00:16 GMT
#232
After reading through the thread (sorry for "lurking", I'll try to post more), I am leaning towards Sinensis not being scum, but I think he's still dangerous with his ideas. (I personally feel his logic is sometimes faulty), but as you said it may just be extreme newness to the game.

##Unvote: Sinensis

I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...

##Vote: Timeaisis

For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous).
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 04 2012 00:17 GMT
#233
@sinani206

Switch to Timeaisis. [UoN]Sentinel is a fucking horrible lynch and if you gathered any skill at all over your SEVEN FUCKING TEEN games then you should know this.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
February 04 2012 00:18 GMT
#234
Alright, a lot of stuff has happened in the past few pages. I wish I could have been more active but I haven't been able to.

Anyways, the vote on Sentinel was more of a reaction test than anything. That's why I didn't use any reasoning in the initial post against him. His posts have been very good as of late and I no longer feel comfortable voting for him.

##Unvote

However, this post from Timeaisis really takes it home. I don't know why a town would make this kind of post. He briefly talks about other people but then dismisses it in favor of a Sentinel lynch.
On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote:
Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).

But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel


Timeaisis is also very aggressive against prplhz for very little reason. I don't like how he's overblowing this post against prplhz. It's a very weak case and since prplhz is making a lot of sense, I could see why a scum would want him dead.

##Vote: Timeaisis
Enjoy your day.
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
February 04 2012 00:20 GMT
#235
Damnit I started writing that post ~8 minutes ago and since then everyone has already unvoted Sentinel. D:
Enjoy your day.
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
February 04 2012 00:21 GMT
#236
I'd also like to call out the lurkers http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306452&user=49531 and Villonis. I'd like to hear more from them.
Enjoy your day.
Nisani201
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1400 Posts
February 04 2012 00:21 GMT
#237
EPWOP BaronFel
formatting got messed up
Enjoy your day.
Bluelightz
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Indonesia2463 Posts
February 04 2012 00:22 GMT
#238
@prp I'm kinda thinking that both are town somehow...

For Sentinel What you explained is preety good

For Timeaisis,

On February 04 2012 08:04 Timeaisis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 07:43 prplhz wrote:
On February 04 2012 07:24 Sinensis wrote:
Timeaisis made his first post on TL in this mafia forum. First game first post, obviously he's new. You believe the dungeon master put him in a scum role?

I don't. I think you're defending Sentinel, like I said you would, just like Bluelightz did, because you're scum too and so is Bluelightz.

It is really hard for me to argue with that first argument because it's so terrible that if you can't see how terrible it is right now, then you maybe never be able to see it. First something we can both agree on: The number of posts you have does not make you better or worse at mafia. Second: Just because you have played a lot of mafia doesn't necessarily make you better at mafia.

Your argument is purely speculation, you haven't looked into old games with similar setup that GMarshal has hosted have you? I haven't looked through all of those I posted earlier but I remember my very first game on this forum, which was hosted by the very GMarshal and had a similar theme. Here's the rolelist. Three scum, all first gamers. They won the game as you can see.

Now you are also speculating that [UoN]Sentinel is scum because I am defending him. This is again bad logic. Say that you think that I am scum, I could be defending [UoN]Sentinel because he is scum and I don't want him to die, or I could be defending him because he is town and I want to buy town credit with him or in case it looks like he's getting lynched, town credit with the surviving town. Both are possible so my alignment tells you absolutely nothing about [UoN]Sentinel's alignment. What does tell you something about my alignment are my arguments. If I have bad arguments then I have no reason as townie to be defending [UoN]Sentinel in the first place, which makes me either wrong or scum.

Which is why you need to look at the arguments and not go about speculating like that. Your case has absolutely no merits and you should really look at it and realize this very soon and switch to Timeaisis.


I'm still trying to figure out why you and sentinel are fixated on me. Is it the fact that I agreed with a lot of people early game and cast a vote for sentinel (which you're calling bandwagonging) after two others had done similarly? I just don't see how that makes me scum. Did I contradict myself or lie at some point? My acting "suspicious" is taken off of my:

1) early voting
2) general neutrality early game
3) agreement with some late game sound logic (mderg's analyis of Sentinel, which I still think is the best case against him)

Is that really that suspicious? I'm just trying to figure out why I have a targetpainted on my back. Yeah, my reasoning for sentinel may not be 100% steel trap, but he was my first inclination, other than you. So are you really calling me out because I'm sticking to my first instinct? I mean, sure that may be a poor strategy, but does it mean I'm scum?

In my opinion, I'm being pretty consistent. I've said in the beginning that I suspect Sentinel, bluelightz, and you. I have not changed my stance on that for since I first said it. So, from here, it seems like I'm getting votes because of my opinion on you and those other two.


the part that i italiced is what makes me think he's town now.




@mderg I'm sorry for accusing you for lurking, lets be friends <3?Anyway I'm unvoting him and we need to hurry up and find a lynch candidate x_x



Roses Are Red, Violets Are Blue, Radiation Is Good Because Nuclear bombs go BOOM | I love TL Mafia! ♥ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 ♥| Mvp is most boss
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5244 Posts
February 04 2012 00:26 GMT
#239
On February 04 2012 07:30 Sinensis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 07:26 prplhz wrote:
@Sinensis

Screw what you think about me or [UoN]Sentinel voting for you, read mderg's case on [UoN]Sentinel and then read EchelonTee's case on Timeaisis. Can you tell me with a straight face that you truly believe that mderg's case on [UoN]Sentinel is better than EchenlonTee's case on Timeaisis? Then why are you still voting for [UoN]Sentinel?

That goes for everybody by the way

You can never say anything about somebody's alignment based on what somebody else is doing. Just because TheToast has posted a terrible defense of Timeaisis doesn't mean that Timeaisis is chaos. Might mean that TheToast is chaos but it doesn't tell me anything about Timeaisis.


I think EchelonTee is the one being emotional. He's been grilling Timeaisis and ONLY Timeaisis this whole game. His "points" he likes to talk about are convoluted. That said I think neither are scum.


Generally, or at least in my opinion, it's better to be focused on who you think is most scum. It doesn't mean that I suspect no one else, or that I have some vendetta against my target; there's no point in me posting on cases I am less sure of.

I will stop by before the deadline to ensure that a lynch happens, but will not be on thread until then.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Vilonis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States130 Posts
February 04 2012 00:27 GMT
#240
Real quick post before I leave for dinner. I should be back before the mafia day is over, but just in case.

I believe that there has been a good case against Timeaisis, and we have a chance to lynch him, so I will vote him.

I like what Nisani206 said here, about Timeasisis's general aggression, and pointed out the post of Timeasis's herein which he put the burden of proof on proving why Bluelightz and UoNSentinel are NOT mafia. On D1, where we have no real concrete evidence, this seems like pretty chaosy behavior.

##Unvote: Nisani201
##Vote: Timeaisis

Sorry if I spelt your name wrong in my post, I am kinda in a rush.
"Such is the vastness of his genius that he can outwit even himself!" - Iskaral Pust, High Priest of High House Shadow
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