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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 17 2012 19:13 GMT
#2341
" Now both are bussing me "
DarthPunk is bussing you? Good to know.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
September 17 2012 19:45 GMT
#2342
On September 17 2012 17:51 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 17:18 ShiaoPi wrote:
hey shady mind popping into the thread instead of blogging away? IF you are town (quite a huge stretch now imo) you should be here sharing reads and stuff or trying to convince us otherwise, right now you are like mattchew when his fakeclaim got snuffed out.

@Darthpunk:
What are your thoughts right now?


Hi. I am just rereading it all again. But some things to note so far.

Shady looks extremely scummy from the last passage of play. He really Pushed for a mislynch on gravan even with better candidates who were even more guilty of similar things. (rewok) and the byplay during the previous nights play has really looked bad for him. I have played and obsed shady for 3 out of his 4 games and his meta has been 100% out from those games. Which included a scum game. One thing about that though is that I would absolutely expect shady to have been in the thread pushing a read or defending himself. Something which he has not really done at all recently. I think he is a good lynch candidate. For me it is weird because I had a town read on him this game. But I guess I was wrong.


Show nested quote +
On September 15 2012 08:06 Shady Sands wrote:
[snip]
I have a few other players who look scummy to me:
Rewok
ShiaoPi
Mementoss
DarthPunk

I'm going to be looking through their filters and will get something out before the daypost.

Final note: in case this isn't obvious already, S&B lynch should serve as strong town-tells for Sloosh and Hopeless1der.



This post where he thinks that everyone but him who voted for Gravan is scummy seems like a ploy to misdirect attention away from himself, especially after he pushed it so hard and pointedly asked for people to vote for him. He then finds no one on this list scummy and pushes on BM.

Further. I am concerned about the Following players.

BM

Rewok

Grush

I think scum could easily be hiding in the midst of those three. I had a town read on BM amazingly (this was mainly due to the consistent assurances of the vets that he was probably town.) but reading through. The 2 people who made these claims flipped 3rd party and as toad said. THEY HAD A VESTED INTEREST IN DERAILING TOWN as we were so far ahead after the mattchew lynch and gk flip.

So BM is worrying due to his playstyle being unreadable and all the assurances about him were from non town.

Rewok is hard lurking and only makes one post for his vote. and then sheeps the popular choice.

Grush is trolling or doesn't give a shit.

All these players are a liability during LYLO. I still feel BM is townie just due to the fact that he seems to actually give a shit about town.

The other two clearly do not give a shit about town. And that makes me fucking nervous.

I have a strong town read on Kreb. He is playing really well and is actively pro town. Especially as a replacement.

Also I don;t think this has been posted so I got it together quickly. (if it has I apologise)

DAY 4 VOTECOUNT

S&B Sloosh, MMToss, Mav, Kreb, Imallinson, Hopeless

Gravan Rewok, SS, Shiao Pi, Toad, DarthPunk

Maverick32X S&B, Grush57

Shady Sands BM

Yay another post blindly calling me a troll without reading thread.
ANYWAYS BOYS WE GOT THE NEXT DAY SCUM LYNCH
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 17 2012 20:20 GMT
#2343
Well I got up early. and there have been ~3 posts and only one of substance. SO I am going back to bed. Before I do though.

On September 18 2012 04:45 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2012 17:51 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 17 2012 17:18 ShiaoPi wrote:
hey shady mind popping into the thread instead of blogging away? IF you are town (quite a huge stretch now imo) you should be here sharing reads and stuff or trying to convince us otherwise, right now you are like mattchew when his fakeclaim got snuffed out.

@Darthpunk:
What are your thoughts right now?


Hi. I am just rereading it all again. But some things to note so far.

Shady looks extremely scummy from the last passage of play. He really Pushed for a mislynch on gravan even with better candidates who were even more guilty of similar things. (rewok) and the byplay during the previous nights play has really looked bad for him. I have played and obsed shady for 3 out of his 4 games and his meta has been 100% out from those games. Which included a scum game. One thing about that though is that I would absolutely expect shady to have been in the thread pushing a read or defending himself. Something which he has not really done at all recently. I think he is a good lynch candidate. For me it is weird because I had a town read on him this game. But I guess I was wrong.


On September 15 2012 08:06 Shady Sands wrote:
[snip]
I have a few other players who look scummy to me:
Rewok
ShiaoPi
Mementoss
DarthPunk

I'm going to be looking through their filters and will get something out before the daypost.

Final note: in case this isn't obvious already, S&B lynch should serve as strong town-tells for Sloosh and Hopeless1der.



This post where he thinks that everyone but him who voted for Gravan is scummy seems like a ploy to misdirect attention away from himself, especially after he pushed it so hard and pointedly asked for people to vote for him. He then finds no one on this list scummy and pushes on BM.

Further. I am concerned about the Following players.

BM

Rewok

Grush

I think scum could easily be hiding in the midst of those three. I had a town read on BM amazingly (this was mainly due to the consistent assurances of the vets that he was probably town.) but reading through. The 2 people who made these claims flipped 3rd party and as toad said. THEY HAD A VESTED INTEREST IN DERAILING TOWN as we were so far ahead after the mattchew lynch and gk flip.

So BM is worrying due to his playstyle being unreadable and all the assurances about him were from non town.

Rewok is hard lurking and only makes one post for his vote. and then sheeps the popular choice.

Grush is trolling or doesn't give a shit.

All these players are a liability during LYLO. I still feel BM is townie just due to the fact that he seems to actually give a shit about town.

The other two clearly do not give a shit about town. And that makes me fucking nervous.

I have a strong town read on Kreb. He is playing really well and is actively pro town. Especially as a replacement.

Also I don;t think this has been posted so I got it together quickly. (if it has I apologise)

DAY 4 VOTECOUNT

S&B Sloosh, MMToss, Mav, Kreb, Imallinson, Hopeless

Gravan Rewok, SS, Shiao Pi, Toad, DarthPunk

Maverick32X S&B, Grush57

Shady Sands BM

Yay another post blindly calling me a troll without reading thread.
ANYWAYS BOYS WE GOT THE NEXT DAY SCUM LYNCH


I have read the thread. Calling you a troll was giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you aren't trolling you are scum.
.
On September 18 2012 04:13 Bill Murray wrote:
" Now both are bussing me "
DarthPunk is bussing you? Good to know.


I am not bussing shady. Obviously he is just setting WIFOM bombs because he is going to die. It seems both Grush and BM want to lynch me next. I can;t say I am surprised as I have been calling out their anti town behaviour for a lot of the game. I don't know how that makes me scummy. It seems to be an OMGUS from the both of them :D
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 17 2012 22:26 GMT
#2344
Ok night post going up.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 17 2012 22:30 GMT
#2345
Night ... 5?



Shady Sands the Vanilla townie has been lynched

24 hours to submit your actions
Computer says mafia
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
September 17 2012 22:38 GMT
#2346
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
September 17 2012 22:43 GMT
#2347
:'(
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 17 2012 22:48 GMT
#2348
That was a wasted 48h.....

Also, didnt Rewok miss the vote?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 17 2012 22:56 GMT
#2349
Will look into Rewok
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 17 2012 23:03 GMT
#2350
Ok, I still kinda wanna lynch Rewok, but Im still very much interested in Grush and BM. Rewok I posted about this before, and I dont have anything else on him:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 15 2012 20:39 Kreb wrote:
Rewok - He is up there together with Toad, but for a completely different reason. The reason he is up there is because I cant see how he hasnt purposedly gone completely lurk mode. This feels like something only a mafia would do (possibly because some other mafia (Toad?) told him do to so). Look a bit at his starting posts:
+ Show Spoiler +
Holy shiet this thread gets going quickly!

Alright, time to say hi :-) My name's Rewok. I haven't played with any of you before, so I'm gonna take this first post to tell you about my strategy for this game. I'll also give my reads, etc. But that's gonna be further down.

Basically, I see the game like this. The goal for mafia is to stay alive. The goal for Town is to get rid of people. Knowing this, Town tends to be more bloodthirsty from the front. While Mafia's best strategy is to target specific people.

Town strategy tends to lean towards "getting blood" right away. Because each person gone could kill a mafia. Worst case scenario, you know one person isn't a mafia. And you can get a better read from the filters.

Mafia tends to want specific people dead, right away. They have better information. So they tend to skew towards "let's kill THIS PERSON. Otherwise, let's pass on the ban this round."

(A little about me: I like to be careful about my scumreads. I'll only give a scumread if I've got a VERY strong hunch. My goal isn't to lynch townies. It's to make sure we use each lynch to nail a mafia and get this game over with quickly. Also - with every townie left alive.)

Now that I've revealed this, the meta is gonna change. However, using the current filters from before I posted this, here's what I got:

page 9 stop being paranoid

- - - - - -
READS
<< ps. holy filters, batman!! >>
- - - - - -

And:
+ Show Spoiler +
When I say Town Read or Mafia Read, it's gonna be a firm read as far as I can tell. I'm not looking to change or update my reads every 1/2 day. My goal is to make reads that stick, which simply requires more info than we're got so far. (Zero votes and lots of bickering.)

He comes into his first mafia game all fine and dandy with perfectly reasonable posting for a newbie, right? But then he completely shifts into lurker mode without saying anything! Would a newbie with all good-hearted and genuine goals not say anything? I find that very unlikely. He is apparently a bit taken by surprise by the amount of posting going on and how much he is supposed to keep up with. Wouldnt a town-newbie really excuse himself? Say stuff like "Im sorry I cant keep up this is taking too much of my time" or "Im not really used to this so Im sorry Im not helping much" or maybe even go as far as to ask for a replacement? We've seen nothing of that, instead he just goes afk completely.

This might also be due to a mafia leading the pack (Toad?) telling him to stop with his "Im an innocent townie"-talk to not get attention drawn to him. Maybe mafia prefers him being easily bussable. Last part might have been far fetched by yea, I dont see his play fitting an innocent newbie.



BUT, I might have something on Grush.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 17 2012 23:09 GMT
#2351
I cant really say I have much due to what he has said. But I decided to take a different approach to this. And I might have found something. Lets look at Grushs posting habits around night posts:

Night 5 post:
Palmar Iceland. September 18 2012 07:30. Posts 5910
Grush post night 5: grush57 Korea (South). September 18 2012 07:43. Posts 1372
13minutes after

Night 4: Quatol Burkina Faso. September 15 2012 07:16. Posts 55
Grush: grush57 Korea (South). September 15 2012 07:29. Posts 1372
13min after

Night 3:
marvellosity United Kingdom. September 12 2012 07:01. Posts 5085
Grush: grush57 Korea (South). September 12 2012 07:18. Posts 1372
17min after
BUT
Also: grush57 Korea (South). September 12 2012 06:40. Posts 1372
21min before

Night 2: Nothing close

Night 1:
marvellosity United Kingdom. September 06 2012 07:34. Posts 5086
Grush: grush57 Korea (South). September 06 2012 06:48. Posts 1372
46min before, but only 12min before deadline
grush57 Korea (South). September 06 2012 07:50. Posts 1372
16min after

My point: Grush has clearly been around 4 out of 5 nights. He was also posting soon before deadline Night 1 and 3.
WHY WASNT GRUSH POSTING PRE-NIGHT 4, WHILE WE WERE ALL SWITCHING TO S&B?
Obviously, not proof. And hes gonna say he wasnt there, which we cant say anything about. But lacking something on his posting content this might be something to go on.

Gonna take a closer look at DP/BM tomorrow too most likely.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 17 2012 23:37 GMT
#2352
KREB HOW MANY SCUM DO YOU THINK THERE ARE?
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 17 2012 23:38 GMT
#2353
dat tf2
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 17 2012 23:41 GMT
#2354
Aecta est fabula, plaudite.

glhf town =)
Что?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-17 23:47:40
September 17 2012 23:44 GMT
#2355
Rewok, vanilla Townie, has been modkilled for neither posting nor voting during the last day.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
September 17 2012 23:53 GMT
#2356
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, I know I'm town.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
September 17 2012 23:54 GMT
#2357
Btw, Starsenses
(Just Confirmed)
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 17 2012 23:56 GMT
#2358
On September 18 2012 08:37 Bill Murray wrote:
KREB HOW MANY SCUM DO YOU THINK THERE ARE?

2. Most likely within the trio: You, Grush, DP.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
September 17 2012 23:59 GMT
#2359
Pretty good we got rid of Rewok at least. It should be 5-2. If both KPs hit during the night it will be 3-2, which is doable. I prefer 3-2 without Rewok than 4-2 with.
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
September 17 2012 23:59 GMT
#2360
MMk so we have
grush57(me :D)
Bill Murray
DarthPunk
ShiaoP
imallison
Kreb
Hopeless1dr
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
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