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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
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I'M ABOUT TO ASK KUSH TO VOTE JX WITH ME. HE KNOWS HE WILL FLIP TOWN. THEN TOWN LYNCHES ME / DJO = SCUMWIN. IF KUSH VOTES WITH ME FOR JX -- EYWA / KUSH SCUMTEAM GG On December 22 2012 01:09 kushm4sta wrote: cheesecake are you kidding me? I made the best case in this game by far, and honestly it had nothing to do with my analysis or logic. The only contribution from me was actually going through his filter, because his quotes spoke for themselves..he is that fucking scummy. If that wasn't enough, there's his reaction, which is basically a scumclaim. His personality changes entirely. He seems angry and panicked. I go from being not his top scumread before the case to being OMG MUST DESTROY after it. The case is damning, like you said earlier, but its his reaction that makes him confirmed scum. Cheesecake I just realized that my defense of him was total balls. It was entirely based on the meta of his first mafia game. So on my agenda is a closer look at cheesecake, which will probably happen later in the day. Don't flatter yourself. The only thing I saw was a meta case which was questionable and his reluctance to lynch DYH. I truly believe Djo is Innocent, I cannot pair him up with a scumbuddy. Do JX / Eywa make sense? No, he's pushed for the lynch of JX hardcore and flamed with Eywa, who even called him part of the scumteam. Do I make sense? Yes, I do, but I'm town. Djo's only "scummy quality" is his reluctance to lynch DYH. That's it. If I recall, didn't KUSH actively attempt to PREVENT the DYH lynch? On December 20 2012 04:31 kushm4sta wrote: DYH makes sense to me about Mr Z. Mr. Zs play is exactly how I play as scum.. a too scum to be scum mentality. Like im gonna act so scum that everyone will think no scum would be dumb enough to act like this. Not really that into lynching DYH today because he's not that much a lurker anymore, and his case against mr z looks good and another reason I'll get into later. ATM i want to look at mr z. brb after goign through his filter. Trying to protect his scumbuddy. On December 20 2012 04:48 kushm4sta wrote: fuck it. I got a green check on dyh for scrying. could definitely still be scum but it's less likely. And his newer stuff does have more effort. FAKECLAIM! Calling it right now. You want to know why he was SAFE to fakeclaim? On December 19 2012 05:58 kushm4sta wrote: have people claimed witchcrafy yet? also hapa do you know that you were shot Nobody else claimed. He was trying to see if any town were empowered by witchcraft. Thrawn also was likely to be witchcrafted, since I think at least 2 people voted for him. He also knows that at least I voted for him. He is completely safe to make this fakeclaim -- A scry on DYH. And DYH just happened to be the priest, how convenient. The entire situation just seems to convenient for Kush. He didn't even breadcrumb the god-damned check. Then, he tries to push a mislynch, JX. On December 20 2012 05:42 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote jiexian 1 his cases are built on terrible terrible reasoning 2 he knew 100% morbidus wasn't scum..how could town know that?? 3 extreme lack of content apart from 1 liners (even worse than me and I have 2 really good excuses) 4 process of elimination He kind of reminds me of Dandelion scum. I'd love to lynch djo but I don't think it's realistic today ;_; I'm saving my sick case that will totally convince everyone for tomorrow. Cause there is just so much scumminess hidden in so much bullshit that it's going to take forever to compile all that shit. Look at his reasons for voting JX... 100% knew morb was town... SO DID EYWA. Cases built on terrible reasoning... EYWA MORESO. Why does he want to lynch JX over Eywa? Because he's his scumbuddy. Look at his hard-defense of Eywa. On December 17 2012 14:32 kushm4sta wrote: Exhibit A: Ewya's alleged scumslip Exhibit B: In which Ewya says im town This is just one of many examples of his use of the word citizen. Ewya says CITIZEN when he means town and TOWNIE when he means player. Remember this is his first forum mafia game. The only experience he has had is IRL mafia. Think about it: Does Kush EVER defend people like this? First time forum mafia game my ass, so what. Normal Kush wouldn't give a damn. Kush's case on Djo is OKAY to say the least, but it hinges on only one thing: reluctance to lynch DYH. Kush was SO MUCH MORE reluctant, trying to push another mislynch, and only bussing at the very last second. On December 17 2012 11:16 kushm4sta wrote: I do. fuck off cheese. fuxk off hapa. fuck off thrawn. kush and ewya townbros4life. we scumslip 2gether we die together Why does he think Eywa is town?? Mad that he's getting pressured? Eywa Kush scumteam. And look at this BS: On December 20 2012 07:49 kushm4sta wrote: k this is pretty easy from here. I'm thinking jx djodrrff scumteam. Naysayers prepare yourself for the sickest most convincing case ever tomorrow. I know djodreffs scum meta very well and I know he is scum. I voted thrawn, dp, mrz. Let's see, everyone that is dead and someone that claims to have powers. lol. DJO HAS PUSHED JX ALL GAME LONG HOW CAN THEY BE SCUMTEAM?!!? Anyone that's not Eywa. Eywa / Kush scumteam. Kush has done nothing this game besides push for the lynch of Djo and hard defend Eywa. This fakeclaim bullshit shouldn't instantly make him town. Both Eywa and Kush fit the profile of not wanting to lynch DYH. Kush hard defends Eywa, and attacks Djo for acting the SAME exact way he was during the lynch. Kush never pushes Eywa despite him doing the exact same "scummy things" as JieXian. I can't emphasize how badly I think they are scumteam. Eywa / JX makes sense, so does Kush / Eywa. Gotta lynch me a Eywa today. I can't put together any scumteam that excludes Eywa. My vote stays. I'll go Kush if possible, but Eywa is friggen 100% scum. ##Unvote: ##Vote: Eywa EYWA + KUSH SCUMTEAM DIE DIE DIE Ask me anything about this scumteam right here. I've got more ammo in the chamber for any questions. Kill them. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On December 22 2012 07:03 kushm4sta wrote: cheesecake how about a djo/cheesecake team? does that work? Nice town read on me early, it was cute btw. | ||
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Eywa-
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On December 22 2012 07:08 Eywa- wrote: ##vote Eywa- Nice active lurking. | ||
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Eywa-
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 .Thus, I will instead change my vote to ##unvote ##vote Jie Xian | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On December 22 2012 07:18 Eywa- wrote: Kush isn't the only one to call me town. Thus, your argument is simply based around bias, bias and more bias. I'm not suggesting that you're mafia since your reasoning is entirely based on you not liking me .Thus, I will instead change my vote to ##unvote ##vote Jie Xian Nice scum claim. | ||
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Eywa-
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While everything is speculation, the fact that your argument is entirely bias is really not speculation... It's fact | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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On December 22 2012 07:21 Eywa- wrote: While everything is speculation, the fact that your argument is entirely bias is really not speculation... It's fact Biased? Haha, look through your own filter, tell me it's not the scummiest thing ever. Refer to my case on you. Scum scum scum. Scumteam is either you / jx or you / kush. It's the only shit that makes sense. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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But the fact that Eywa was blatantly active lurking is pretty much the nail in the coffin. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Eywa- Introduction: In many ways, Eywa's play reminds me of Kush's mafia play: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548&user=200457 In that game (Newbie XXVII), Kush is an insanely active scum-player whom many dismissed as "too fearless/crazy to be scum." As a result, townies avoided looking at his filter and analyzing just how much mafia-motivation there was behind his posts. A lot of the arguments for "town" Eywa have been that he's too active and fearless to be scum. I can sympathize with this because this is normally a pretty reliable tell for first-time forum players. However, Eywa is not a first time player. He's an outspoken individual who is very familiar with the mindset of playing mafia. "Fearlessness" is an excuse to dismiss a scum-slip or two. But when someone's filter is littered in mafia-motivation, it's no longer sufficient. As an additional note, I initially took a lot of townie vibes from Eywa's "mood-shift" in Day 2. However, when you look at his analysis over those days... it's pretty... not... convincing... 1) A votecount list calling a bunch of people "possible scum" (also calls DYH "not scum") http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=70#1397 2) A list putting suspicion on virtually every single player in the game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=71#1402 3) A "hypothesis" spreading suspicion on multiple players (also defends DYH) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=74#1462 Table of Contents: 1) Day 1 Play (Lynch + N1) 2) Stance on DYH 3) Stance on Mr.Cheesecake + MrZ ***This should seal the deal*** 4) The Scumslip to End All Slips 1) Day 1 Play My previously posted case talks about this. The analysis still stands, since it was dropped due to Eywa's "fearlessness" rather than him actually defending himself. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816¤tpage=43#852 2) Stance on DYH The first time that Eywa mentions DYH is early in D2, where he calls DYH "not scum" for no reasoning, and then soft-defends him: + Show Spoiler + On December 18 2012 11:47 Eywa- wrote: Yeah, given the lack of posting I'd say people have lost their sanity already. Though, let's look at the situation as it stands: Hapahauli (Possible Scum) - 2 Votes Eywa- () - 2 Votes (one of which is impossible to change) Jie Xian - 1 vote (Not really Scummy, not likely to get majority vote) Kush - 0 votes (Possible Scum, mostly overlooked) MrV - 1 vote (Not Scum) Mr.Cheesecake - 0 votes (Scum) DoYouHas - 0 votes (Not Scum) Drakaz - 0 votes (Possible Scum) Djodref - 0 (Possible Scum) I think DoYouHas has taken a far too impersonal approach to the game so far... He hasn't really seemed to care what has gone on and generally has just sponged off other people, really doesn't make sense to call him mafia. Also, when attacked he hasn't fled ... Point taken, however, you must keep in mind that doyouhas will have no power to persuade anyone, so assume he is mafia, we're better off lynching his allies. I finally convince him to vote one of the "lurkers." He initially wants to lynch Kush and Djo, but he eventually slides on DYH: + Show Spoiler + On December 18 2012 12:29 Eywa- wrote: #unvote It's very possible that the scum in the town are all the quiet guys, while I was leaning away from DoYouHas, I wouldn't mind siding against him in the end, however not as a first lynch. I'd go for Kush or Djodref. On December 18 2012 12:34 Eywa- wrote: Sounds fine by me, Kush and Djoref should post why they should be kept before the day ends. #vote DYH Where things start to get strange is his unvote of DYH, where he offers some strange analysis, then magically "sees no scum" in DYH for absolutely no reasoning. On December 18 2012 23:35 Eywa- wrote: ... For a moment I thought that DoYouHas didn't look scummy at all... But then I was trying to put together the pieces on his obsession with MrZentor and I found that... Why would anyone push for that lynch? To prove innocent. In the scenario where DoYouHas would be scum, MrZentor is as well given that they've kind of been on with their little side show for quite some time. I mean there's no reasonable explanation as to why DoYouHas just went after MrZentor other than MrZentor is a guaranteed non-lynch. By this, he throws out a vote while not bothering the disputing players (me and hapahauli + CC). MrZentor then throws his vote at DoYouHas knowing that before the day is over, there will be enough proof going for DoYouHas to disprove him being a mafia member. Now this is highly advanced play, so I kind of doubt it's the reality. ... On December 19 2012 05:04 Eywa- wrote: #unvote Hapahauli, I see no scum on DoYouHas right now... I'm not sure (of course, I can't be sure... But I think I have a good idea of what's going on). Would you be willing to vote either CC or Djodref today? Then, Eywa moves into hard-defending DYH, and pushing the Mr. CC lynch. He does this for zero valid reasoning. + Show Spoiler + On December 20 2012 02:41 Eywa- wrote: Your entire investigation of DYH is reliant on him being a very strong and confident mafia member, which he doesn't seem to be... Mafia members find it hard to push targets unless they're the second to the story or it's an easy target... Your case was neither. Mr.CC is just that guy with no backbone who follows and tries to not be seen. Considering that added up with his countless mistakes, he's an obvious pick for the lynch. On December 20 2012 03:19 Eywa- wrote: If you're putting DYH up as scum, that means you're also putting up drazak and Kush, it's the only possible combo of 3 I can see working out... Which I would have to deem unlikely. 3) Mr. CC Lynch For most of D2, Eywa leads a bandwagon on Mr. Cheesecake. He's apparently convinced Mr. CC is scum and will not compromise: On December 20 2012 02:34 Eywa- wrote: Mr.Cheesecake is my lynch, I will not compromise. Page 11 of Eywa's filter should show just how convinced he is that Mr.CC is scum: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386816&user=93681¤tpage=11 But right after DYH posts his case on MrZ... On December 20 2012 04:40 Eywa- wrote: #unvote #vote MrZentor This makes zero sense. Eywa provides zero analysis on MrZ and votes him. This makes even less sense considering that when I was pushing MrZ the night before, Eywa was defending MrZ. Hell Eywa's top town read in the game was MrZ only one hour before! On December 20 2012 03:30 Eywa- wrote: My witchcraft vote today went out on MrZentor and nobody. So Eywa turned down voting the guy he was convinced was scum (Mr.CC) in favor of voting his top town read an hour prior for zero rationale. The only motivation I can attach to his actions is that he wanted someone dead - anyone but his scumbuddy DYH. 4) The "Scumslip" This one is pretty simple. Eywa is convinced I'm a part of the scumteam has thought I'm scum all game. On December 20 2012 03:35 Eywa- wrote: Djodref, Mr.Cheesecake, Hapahauli Who's assisting these guys? But then, somehow he knows that I was shot by a witch-hunter bullet. Now alone, the second post is reasonable. After all, I'm the only other obvious witchcraft candidate after Day 1. However, the possibility of me getting shot should not even cross Eywa's mind if he actually thinks I'm scum. After all, scum can't be shot. I have made every attempt to rationalize this from a town perspective. I cannot. I have made every attempt to get Eywa to answer for this. He's only provided us with a non-answer: On December 21 2012 10:41 Eywa- wrote: There are still 2 scum which means, the names above aren't cleared by any means... Why else would they not have used it on Kush if they knew he was blue? In conclusion, Eywa's actions show far too much mafia-motivation for us not to lynch him. Maybe I could excuse one or two of the things above. However there's just too much of his behavior that lines up with a mafia mindset for me not to lynch him. | ||
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Hapahauli
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##Vote Eywa- | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Hapahauli
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Part of me is still conflicted by this. Like the only way I can see him flipping town is if he's a player that posts completely random things that come to his mind. The problem is that this is entirely possible considering his player-type. But at the end of the day, either he's: a) Posting completely random things b) He's mafia Option "b" seems far more likely given just how scummy his play has been so far. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Hapahauli
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As for kush... maybe. Part of the reason I'm hesitant is that kusb seems far too level-headed for his scum play. Kush is a guy that wears his emotions on his sleeve, and his scum play is very angry and/or whiny as a result. When he's calim, Kush has always flipped town. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Kush has tunneled Djo the entire game and defended Eywa. What else? | ||
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Eywa-
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On December 22 2012 07:50 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah probably. As for kush... maybe. Part of the reason I'm hesitant is that kusb seems far too level-headed for his scum play. Kush is a guy that wears his emotions on his sleeve, and his scum play is very angry and/or whiny as a result. When he's calim, Kush has always flipped town. Okay, so assume you're right about Kush... Then who's my scum partner? | ||
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