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On December 21 2012 13:55 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm really hesitant to vote Djo right now, simply because I cannot pair him with a scumbuddy. Nobody in this thread makes sense as his scumbuddy, unless you count me as scum, in which case then that makes sense.
The only thing that is scummy about him is his indecision at lynch time, and nothing more. 3 others were reluctant to vote DYH at lynch time, not just him. Hapa, I really do think you're wrong with this one, and calling Kush 99% town simply because he is using good logic is kind of crap. Logic comes from both sides of the spectrum.
I DO WAT I WANT!
In all seriousness, I have legitimate reasons to lynch just about every player here. I also have reasons to think that every player here is town.
Tomorrow I have a day off, so I'll go through filters deeply and see if I can peg a scumteam. Hopefully I'll be able to find something a little more convincing somewhere.
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cheesecake are you kidding me?
I made the best case in this game by far, and honestly it had nothing to do with my analysis or logic. The only contribution from me was actually going through his filter, because his quotes spoke for themselves..he is that fucking scummy.
If that wasn't enough, there's his reaction, which is basically a scumclaim. His personality changes entirely. He seems angry and panicked. I go from being not his top scumread before the case to being OMG MUST DESTROY after it.
The case is damning, like you said earlier, but its his reaction that makes him confirmed scum.
Cheesecake
I just realized that my defense of him was total balls. It was entirely based on the meta of his first mafia game. So on my agenda is a closer look at cheesecake, which will probably happen later in the day.
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Hey! Green check on me! Neato.
Just for future reference, here is the voting that's taken place over the last two days. Only assumption made here is that Hapa is green. Anyone care like explaining to me how he got confirmed town status? Waaaay too lazy to read the thread.
+ Show Spoiler [Day 1 Votes] +
Morbidius (8): Drazak, MrZentor, DarthPunk, Kushm4sta, MrCheesecake, DoYouHas, threesr, hapahauli
threesr: djodref
MrZentor: morbidius
Hapahauli: eywa-
MrCheesecake: thrawn2112
thrawn2112: jiexian
Thirteen alive, seven to lynch.
+ Show Spoiler [Day 2 Votes] +
DoYouHas (5): Hapahauli, MrZentor, Mr. Cheesecake, Djoref, kusm4sta
MrZentor: DoYouHas, Eywa-, JieXian
With Drazak missing.
Nine alive, five to lynch.
Now, what can we take from this? Here are a few of my thoughts.
- Typically, on Day 1, scum hate to put all of their votes on the same person. It's a possibility, but highly unlikely. That implies that one of the two remaining scum are in the group {djodref, eywa- JX}.
- With Drazak being a possible vote, a single scum from the group {MrCC, DJ, kush} could not have afforded to switch to MrZ to cause a no-lynch.
- Two scum in that same group is a possibility. Both of them changing their vote to MrZ would be incredibly costly.
- Chances of all three scum being on the counterwagon to prevent a scum lynch is basically zero. This implies that at least one of {Eywa-, JX} is town.
I'm thinking that both scum are in the group {MrCC, DJ, kush}. DJ meets my criteria for scum votes during day 1, so I'm thinking, just by looking at the votes, that he is scum.
I'd appreciate anyone else's thoughts on the voting over the last two days, and again, I have no idea how Hapa is confirmed town. Him being even a possibility for scum really changes the whole dynamics of that analysis.
brb, picking up lunch.
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On December 21 2012 03:41 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 03:21 JieXian wrote:
*snip*
Djo please tell me how the hell am I playing clean lol what nonsense are you talking about. Everyone agrees that I'm messy as hell. If you mean clean as in not accusing everybody like what you're doing, I don't need to because things appear clear to me.
*snip*
You are totally twisting what I've presented. I have made a post presenting the points I had against DYH, at your request. You didn't reply directly to this post (of course not, so why asking it at the first place ?) but you have made the a comment related to this post a few moments after.
Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:00 Djodref wrote:@ JieXanHere is the summary of the points against DYH. I would like to remind you that the cases against Kush are far better  Especially mines ^^ Anyway... - unemotional and not involved in this game
- "clean" play, generally blending in
- generally lurking
- Disputable case on MrZ, which could be a way for him to avoid to contribute for real
@ EywaCould you do the same thing for CC ? It took me like 5 minutes  So there is no direct comment on this from your side. But here is what I get from another remark. Show nested quote +On December 20 2012 03:05 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 03:03 Djodref wrote:On December 20 2012 02:55 JieXian wrote:
I call
SCUMPSLIP Blew, half of the players have been doing 'scumslips' at this point of the game... Even you did But, please, enlighten me ^^ lol wasn't for you you're bee nplaying super clean just like dyh This is an OMGUS, but on the behalf of DYH. I point out to you what makes DYH scum, you take your pick, and say without justification that I'm guilty of the same sin.
no, honestly at that time I couldn't find anything standing out to pick you out as mafia for sure. Same with DYH.
On December 21 2012 03:48 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 03:29 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 21:35 Djodref wrote:
Part IV --- Lynch Derailments
Morbidius LynchI think that JieXian was trying to provoke a no-lynch when he provoked MrCC into voting thrawn. Please note that JieXian has no fucking reason to vote thrawn at that point. What kind of town player would do that ? DYH LynchOne thing I like in JieXian's filter is this post, because he is basically claiming mafia here On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
Let's try to switch the DYH lynch on the guy I have as townish, and not the three other guys which I have as mafia. I'm going to develop on JieXian's attempt to derail DYH lynch in the following part. I just skimmed at this and you don't seem to understand my logic 1 zentor and dyh are null to me 2 scum want to lynch dyh 3 Didn't expect them to bussing 4 I vote for zentor lol At this point, here are your supposed premises, tell me if I'm wrong but you are supposed to believe that Hapa, CC and me are the scumteam. Is that right ? There is only 3 scum in this game so, here is what town JieXian would think. I have already the whole scumteam so 1. zentor and DYH are town, we are currently lynching a town player (green check on DYH) 2. And, the whole scumteam is behing this lynch, this is obviously a mislynch ! 3. Bussing who ? The 4th mafia member ? 4. I vote for another townie, to be sure to have a mislynch.... No, if you were town, you should vote for one of your scumreads
I don't see how you seem to be blind to the fact given your points fully support my decision as townie.
1. zentor and DYH are town, we are currently lynching a town player (green check on DYH)
maybe you know that they're town, I had null reads
2. And, the whole scumteam is behing this lynch, this is obviously a mislynch
Very well, so I try to stop it by voting MrZ
3. Bussing who ? The 4th mafia member ?
To me, they were lynching a townie especially given kush's check. You seem to know a little more than me
4. I vote for another townie, to be sure to have a mislynch.... No, if you were town, you should vote for one of your scumreads
My scumread had 1 vote 10 minutes to lynch time >_> My best option was to try to stop mafia
You seem to have scumslipped djo
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excuse the bad formatting, can't edit it.
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djo, the only reason I thought you were 3rd guy with hapa nad mrcc was because you seemed to be overprotective of hapa.
Clearly, now I know that my speculation was wrong
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On December 22 2012 01:19 ghost_403 wrote:
I'd appreciate anyone else's thoughts on the voting over the last two days, and again, I have no idea how Hapa is confirmed town. Him being even a possibility for scum really changes the whole dynamics of that analysis.
Don't worry, not everyone thinks so. kush was saying don't lynch hapa because he's a strong townie. MrCC enjoys sheeping hapa. Djo presented some reads on hapa somewhere in his filter.
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On December 22 2012 02:23 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 03:48 Djodref wrote:On December 21 2012 03:29 JieXian wrote:On December 20 2012 21:35 Djodref wrote:
Part IV --- Lynch Derailments
Morbidius LynchI think that JieXian was trying to provoke a no-lynch when he provoked MrCC into voting thrawn. Please note that JieXian has no fucking reason to vote thrawn at that point. What kind of town player would do that ? DYH LynchOne thing I like in JieXian's filter is this post, because he is basically claiming mafia here On December 20 2012 06:49 JieXian wrote:
#unvote
##Vote MrZentor
I had you as townish but I'm not sure of your alignment after all that crap but if djo hapa and mrcc have their votes on someone like that I can be sure it's town.
hapa it's 5.49 am here where do you think I was
Let's try to switch the DYH lynch on the guy I have as townish, and not the three other guys which I have as mafia. I'm going to develop on JieXian's attempt to derail DYH lynch in the following part. I just skimmed at this and you don't seem to understand my logic 1 zentor and dyh are null to me 2 scum want to lynch dyh 3 Didn't expect them to bussing 4 I vote for zentor lol At this point, here are your supposed premises, tell me if I'm wrong but you are supposed to believe that Hapa, CC and me are the scumteam. Is that right ? There is only 3 scum in this game so, here is what town JieXian would think. I have already the whole scumteam so 1. zentor and DYH are town, we are currently lynching a town player (green check on DYH) 2. And, the whole scumteam is behing this lynch, this is obviously a mislynch ! 3. Bussing who ? The 4th mafia member ? 4. I vote for another townie, to be sure to have a mislynch.... No, if you were town, you should vote for one of your scumreads I don't see how you seem to be blind to the fact given your points fully support my decision as townie. Show nested quote +1. zentor and DYH are town, we are currently lynching a town player (green check on DYH) maybe you know that they're town, I had null reads Show nested quote +2. And, the whole scumteam is behing this lynch, this is obviously a mislynch Very well, so I try to stop it by voting MrZ To me, they were lynching a townie especially given kush's check. You seem to know a little more than me Show nested quote +4. I vote for another townie, to be sure to have a mislynch.... No, if you were town, you should vote for one of your scumreads My scumread had 1 vote 10 minutes to lynch time >_> My best option was to try to stop mafia You seem to have scumslipped djo
no wait I just realised mrz was shot, i take that scumslip back.
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On December 21 2012 05:44 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 03:21 JieXian wrote:
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Hapa to answer that question I'm still suspecting you because of your ignored questions and your weak and forced points/cases against me, it was no OMGUS (take D1 for example)
I don't see why the idea of bussing was totally ignored. I admit that I have to rethink things but as I said, the main scum I have in mind were hapa and cc, I only added djo in because he appeared to be a bff of hapa but I wasn't sure.
I'll address everything tomorrow if I'm still around. I guess more of my issue with your "suspicion" on me that it looks more like trolling rather than actual suspicion. For example this: Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 00:30 JieXian wrote:ok bye I'm done for the day. Glad to see things toning down. Even gladder to have seen this earlier On December 18 2012 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:52 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:50 Eywa- wrote:
I'm just curious as to why hapahauli is vouching so hard for cheeseflake when no one else has ever vouched this hard for another person.
Furthermore, I fail to see why we would listen to him given that hapahauli is the only one to change his character profile 4 times (next highest being 0) and he has a scumslip to his name claiming that he is scum...
What more is needed? I'm not vouching for him. I'm stating that I don't have enough evidence to think he's scum. On December 18 2012 07:48 MrZentor wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 MrZentor wrote:
I don't like how Eywa is playing, but I'm sure he is town.
-.- Name one thing substantive in his filter. He's doing nothing but flinging shit around. I don't care whether somebody is pro town or not. I care whether they're town or scum. And Eywa is town. I need to calm down. I'll be back in a bit. yet you have more evidence for Jie Xian? lol... you're obviously scum. Yes you piece of shit. I have plenty of evidence for JieXian if you ever bothered to read you dumbfuck. Was about to post a huge lol and some gifs and youtube links but controled myself. I'll just have to settle with hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha There is zero reason to post this other than to deliberately antagonize a player. That's really fucking scummy.
that was some trolling, yes. Aren't I allowed to have some fun after yelling the entire game? :D
come on :D
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jx did you read my case on djo? will you vote him today?
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@ Ghost
I think the general gist of me being "confirmed town" is that I have a 20-something page filter, and that I pushed the DYH lynch through despite a lot of opposition. Of course you can't discount the possibility of a bus (I mean why am I still alive... geez...), but the size of my filter and my engagement in the game should convince you that I'm town.
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On December 22 2012 03:07 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 05:44 Hapahauli wrote:On December 21 2012 03:21 JieXian wrote:
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Hapa to answer that question I'm still suspecting you because of your ignored questions and your weak and forced points/cases against me, it was no OMGUS (take D1 for example)
I don't see why the idea of bussing was totally ignored. I admit that I have to rethink things but as I said, the main scum I have in mind were hapa and cc, I only added djo in because he appeared to be a bff of hapa but I wasn't sure.
I'll address everything tomorrow if I'm still around. I guess more of my issue with your "suspicion" on me that it looks more like trolling rather than actual suspicion. For example this: On December 19 2012 00:30 JieXian wrote:ok bye I'm done for the day. Glad to see things toning down. Even gladder to have seen this earlier On December 18 2012 07:54 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:53 Eywa- wrote:On December 18 2012 07:52 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:50 Eywa- wrote:
I'm just curious as to why hapahauli is vouching so hard for cheeseflake when no one else has ever vouched this hard for another person.
Furthermore, I fail to see why we would listen to him given that hapahauli is the only one to change his character profile 4 times (next highest being 0) and he has a scumslip to his name claiming that he is scum...
What more is needed? I'm not vouching for him. I'm stating that I don't have enough evidence to think he's scum. On December 18 2012 07:48 MrZentor wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 Hapahauli wrote:On December 18 2012 07:43 MrZentor wrote:
I don't like how Eywa is playing, but I'm sure he is town.
-.- Name one thing substantive in his filter. He's doing nothing but flinging shit around. I don't care whether somebody is pro town or not. I care whether they're town or scum. And Eywa is town. I need to calm down. I'll be back in a bit. yet you have more evidence for Jie Xian? lol... you're obviously scum. Yes you piece of shit. I have plenty of evidence for JieXian if you ever bothered to read you dumbfuck. Was about to post a huge lol and some gifs and youtube links but controled myself. I'll just have to settle with hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha There is zero reason to post this other than to deliberately antagonize a player. That's really fucking scummy. that was some trolling, yes. Aren't I allowed to have some fun after yelling the entire game? :D come on :D
Yeah, that's probably my ego having an issue more than me actually finding it scummy.
Though can you talk to me about your current scumreads? I want to see you do some analysis.
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Kush,
I think JX is more scummy looking than Djo. The only thing against Djo really is his reluctance to lynch.
Imo one of them has to be scum. If JX flips town, I'd be sure Djo is scum. But I'm positive JX will flip scum. Would you vote JX with me?
##Unvote
##Vote: JieXian
I don't think I want to lynch Djo today.
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I'm pretty sure of Eywa being scum, but my 3 candidates stand tall. I Know you really want to lynch djo, but I can't be convinced until I get a JX lynch. JX town = Djo scum. I doubt you'll vote Eywa, what about JX? If he dies and flips town it's djo / Eywa scumteam, we lynch Djo, then we lynch Eywa at the end for the win.
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Can you tell us why you think Djo is town? I get that you don't like the case on him, but that doesn't exonerate all his behavior.
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Hapa,
Think about it. I can't pin him with anyone as a scumbuddy. JX? Tunneled all day. No. Kush, obviously no. Eywa? Possible, but it's highly unlikely. I know what you're thinking "omg cc djo scumteam gggggg" but seriously think about it. Who makes sense as Djo's scumbuddy? Not really anybody.
He's also done a hell of a lot more in this game than most. More than me, Kush, JX, Eywa, drazak (ghost). I had a town read on him early, and I can't see that being forfeit unless somehow JX flips town. I'm set on Eywa being scum because every scumteam I can think of includes him.
Can you propose a scumteam that excludes Eywa?
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I can propose scumteams that don't include Eywa, but they're not all that convincing.
Well more on that in the next hour or so - I'm typing something up on Eywa at the moment.
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On December 22 2012 06:29 Hapahauli wrote:
I can propose scumteams that don't include Eywa, but they're not all that convincing.
Well more on that in the next hour or so - I'm typing something up on Eywa at the moment.
Exactly. None of them make any sense whatsoever.
Hey Kush,
JX lynch?
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cheesecake how about a djo/cheesecake team? does that work?
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On December 22 2012 07:03 kushm4sta wrote:
cheesecake how about a djo/cheesecake team? does that work?
Yes it does. But once I or him flip town, you're done.
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