On September 18 2011 04:02 zXzXz wrote: I don't think who you practice or how much you practice can be taken into account tho. "You need to cut his skill in half in order to compare because he practices with koreans", IdrA chosed to move back to the USA to move into the teamhouse, but even when he was in korea and training with koreans, he didn't have any success against the koreans anyways. And in the last MLG, Jinro was ripping thru the open bracket and got 2-1ed by trimaster. Idra ran 2-3 in the group stages with several foreigners and then got 2-1ed by trimaster. Hard to say who's doing best (or worst) I guess Anyways, I hate to repeat myself but I guess we'll agree to disagree ^^ You think Idra is doing better, I think Jinro is doing better. DH finals now so I wont be responding, ciao :d
Of course it has to be taken into account :O If one guy plays with top koreans, and another plays with 2nd tier NA and Demu, who should be the best? The one playing with the Koreans of course. That being said, I hope they both come out strong again. With Idra on top of course
On September 18 2011 04:02 zXzXz wrote: I don't think who you practice or how much you practice can be taken into account tho. "You need to cut his skill in half in order to compare because he practices with koreans", IdrA chosed to move back to the USA to move into the teamhouse, but even when he was in korea and training with koreans, he didn't have any success against the koreans anyways. And in the last MLG, Jinro was ripping thru the open bracket and got 2-1ed by trimaster. Idra ran 2-3 in the group stages with several foreigners and then got 2-1ed by trimaster. Hard to say who's doing best (or worst) I guess Anyways, I hate to repeat myself but I guess we'll agree to disagree ^^ You think Idra is doing better, I think Jinro is doing better. DH finals now so I wont be responding, ciao :d
when Idra was in korea training with koreans he was in code S and making ro16 each time, he qualified for every GSL when there were 3 open seasons. He was doing quiet well vs koreans lol even making it to the round of 8 and took a game off of MVP during his insane tvz reign (well when it was insanely good then and still is now) on steppes of war.
On September 18 2011 04:02 zXzXz wrote: I don't think who you practice or how much you practice can be taken into account tho. "You need to cut his skill in half in order to compare because he practices with koreans", IdrA chosed to move back to the USA to move into the teamhouse, but even when he was in korea and training with koreans, he didn't have any success against the koreans anyways. And in the last MLG, Jinro was ripping thru the open bracket and got 2-1ed by trimaster. Idra ran 2-3 in the group stages with several foreigners and then got 2-1ed by trimaster. Hard to say who's doing best (or worst) I guess Anyways, I hate to repeat myself but I guess we'll agree to disagree ^^ You think Idra is doing better, I think Jinro is doing better. DH finals now so I wont be responding, ciao :d
when Idra was in korea training with koreans he was in code S and making ro16 each time, he qualified for every GSL when there were 3 open seasons. He was doing quiet well vs koreans lol even making it to the round of 8 and took a game off of MVP during his insane tvz reign (well when it was insanely good then and still is now) on steppes of war.
On September 18 2011 04:02 zXzXz wrote: I don't think who you practice or how much you practice can be taken into account tho. "You need to cut his skill in half in order to compare because he practices with koreans", IdrA chosed to move back to the USA to move into the teamhouse, but even when he was in korea and training with koreans, he didn't have any success against the koreans anyways. And in the last MLG, Jinro was ripping thru the open bracket and got 2-1ed by trimaster. Idra ran 2-3 in the group stages with several foreigners and then got 2-1ed by trimaster. Hard to say who's doing best (or worst) I guess Anyways, I hate to repeat myself but I guess we'll agree to disagree ^^ You think Idra is doing better, I think Jinro is doing better. DH finals now so I wont be responding, ciao :d
Jinro mostly played no-names in the MLG open bracket, I don't think that counts. He lost to all the good players he faced. It's unfortunate, but if so many foreigners can convincingly beat Jinro in a Bo3 while he benefits from Korean training in the same house as terrans such as TOP, Supernova and TheSTC, then you can only conclude that right now Jinro doesn't deserve to be named one of the best foreigners.
Idra also started losing a lot more ever since returning from Korea, but his decline has very different reasons. He never benefited too much from Korea, since he was just by himself practicing ladder. He didn't have too many English-speaking practice partners and the Korean scene wasn't as developed back when he was still there. Maybe it did give him some advantage, but I think it's at the very least arguable the effects were minimal. Korean players have become better than Idra as a result of the environment and Idra is still very competitive against just about all foreign players. Maybe he has lost a couple of ZvZs against Nerchio or something, but so what? You can't expect him to be dominant in all match-ups against players from different servers, and of course Idra's mechanical advantages are less pronounced now that others have had time to catch up.
On September 18 2011 04:02 zXzXz wrote: I don't think who you practice or how much you practice can be taken into account tho. "You need to cut his skill in half in order to compare because he practices with koreans", IdrA chosed to move back to the USA to move into the teamhouse, but even when he was in korea and training with koreans, he didn't have any success against the koreans anyways. And in the last MLG, Jinro was ripping thru the open bracket and got 2-1ed by trimaster. Idra ran 2-3 in the group stages with several foreigners and then got 2-1ed by trimaster. Hard to say who's doing best (or worst) I guess Anyways, I hate to repeat myself but I guess we'll agree to disagree ^^ You think Idra is doing better, I think Jinro is doing better. DH finals now so I wont be responding, ciao :d
Jinro mostly played no-names in the MLG open bracket, I don't think that counts. He lost to all the good players he faced. It's unfortunate, but if so many foreigners can convincingly beat Jinro in a Bo3 while he benefits from Korean training in the same house as terrans such as TOP, Supernova and TheSTC, then you can only conclude that right now Jinro doesn't deserve to be named one of the best foreigners.
Idra also started losing a lot more ever since returning from Korea, but his decline has very different reasons. He never benefited too much from Korea, since he was just by himself practicing ladder. He didn't have too many English-speaking practice partners and the Korean scene wasn't as developed back when he was still there. Maybe it did give him some advantage, but I think it's at the very least arguable the effects were minimal. Korean players have become better than Idra as a result of the environment and Idra is still very competitive against just about all foreign players. Maybe he has lost a couple of ZvZs against Nerchio or something, but so what? You can't expect him to be dominant in all match-ups against players from different servers, and of course Idra's mechanical advantages are less pronounced now that others have had time to catch up.
In game one, I think he just underestimated the power of the Warp prism drop. and he could use a little better base layout too. In game 2 I dunno what happened. He was in such a good position, then he just got out multitasked or something :s He should have secured the outer bases earlier, and the infestor control was kind of bad. That said, They both played really good ;o
On September 18 2011 20:57 Xouh wrote: HerO don't really played that much better than IdrA. In both games, what IdrA should have done ? Build Hydras ? Or maybe Nydus worm ..."lol"
Hydras, Infestion pit in another spot and better control. Second game Idras Infestor control was really bad and was letting them get feedbacked... Idra played sloppily. Also he for somereason never secured his base with 5+spines. In those game HerO played better.
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