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slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
March 13 2013 02:58 GMT
#2081
On a side note, I find it very interesting how I'm perceived as a very good town player, especially by people who have never even played with me, given that the last decent town game I had was July last year.

You guys also seem keenly aware of my weak scum meta. Well then take advantage of it. Talk to me - either I'm town and I provide good insight as "very good town slOosh" or I'm scum and I expose my weakness and frailty as "noob sauce scum slOosh".

I don't have the spread of time that I used to have, and instead have blocks, so I can't play as I usually do.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 13 2013 02:59 GMT
#2082
OK this is going to be a bit of a ramble and possibly unstructured. This corresponds to how I feel about the game. I guess it's only night 1 but i'm less certain on so many people than I like.

I'm going to start with the wishy washy (my thoughts that is, not how they've played necessarily) middle.

risk, prplhz, BC, Stutters, slOosh, Mocsta, Ver (ugh), Acrofales, supersoft.

ok quick rundown.

I like risk when he's around, it feels like town risk. But he's not around enough, and that's more mafia risk.

prplhz. super lurky, although a decent case on BC. Some posts feel like town prplhz, but the lurkiness, oh the lurkiness. I'm banking on his weird anger towards me being genuine, but i'm not sure.

BC. Weird roleplaying thing that he's trying to excuse how he's playing. I don't like it. I don't like how he said I outright lied about him, when it clearly wasn't the case, as per what VE and I wrote. I'm pretty clearly town to most people reading the thread properly, BC has a brain, so I should be pretty clearly town to him too. Instead he's baselessly attacking me. Not good. But I don't think he should be a focus tomorrow.

Stutters - super lurky and bad, called out, did some stuff, disappeared. Don't know what to make of him. his contributions seemed ok when he stopped RPing. bleh.

slOosh. absent. bad. maybe his push on yamato is genuine. maybe his role thing up there is genuine. wait and see. could well be mafia, but could still be town.

Mocsta. Snipey and unhelpful, but isn't shitting up the thread. don't know where i stand with him.

Ver. Really absent. Maybe he should be in somewhat scummy. I just don't know. confuses the fuck out of me.

Acrofales. wasn't sure what he has been trying to achieve so far this game. but reads post that he just made looks decent at first glance. i expect him to be stepping it up and helping day 2 if he's town.

supersoft, not getting mafia vibes. but really, really unproductive, which is unlike supersoft. bleh.

[u]People I'm town on to varying degrees

Hiro. Too lurky I guess, but his posts feel genuine when he makes them. I'm not sure, but I'm kinda leaning town here. I don't see why he should be a focus tomorrow at all.

VE. Has backed me up, whether on purpose or not, on several occasions. So he's seeing the game the way i am. I hope to god he's town. I think he's town, no reason at all not to at this stage.

Dandel. His play really does feel nothing like British II that he just came out of as mafia. He's more helpful and productive, even if still trolly, but he'll always be that way. I liked his catch on Acro's sheeping at the end of day 1, which may or may not mean anything.

austin. seems to be thinking about the game and caring about the game, engaging people in conversation. I have no real reason to think austin is mafia at this point.

Oatsmaster. Suspicious of a lot of people, that's how he plays town. He is always all over the place, he asks stupid questions, and apparently contradicts himself quite a bit. this doesn't make him mafia. Oats plays SCARED as mafia. Posts like these are not scared:

On March 13 2013 02:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Going to sleep, Ill be up at deadline to see what else you monkeys post.


strongandbig - I think he's probably town. I know recently he's had a massive motivation problem with mafia in general, and I think if he rolled mafia this game he'd just have completely given up. Lurkier than I like but is actually providing some contributions and points when he's around.

iamp - posting less than I like, but some posts give me a warm and fuzzy vibe. don't see a reason to look at him right now. especially as he made me a giggle. good towntell ;D

Promethelax - despite posting in limericks, seems to have a clear plan and idea to his play. he was all over the shop as mafia in LX, his limerick posts actually make more sense than his awful posts here. MAYBE he's hiding behind it? but i don't think so right now.

yamato - his posting today makes me feel better about him. i still think he's town, i'm not certain, but I don't want to lynch him right now either.

More interesting things
[b]Vivax!

Not actually certain Vivax is mafia at all. Here's the thing about Vivax. He's absolutely batshit insane. This is usually a pretty solid town tell for Vivax. However there are a few specific things that make me worry about using this broadbrush read.

1) a really weird slight town read on Crossfire
2) calling Foolishness town and attacking me, despite having not read either filter and missing TWO things in Foolishness' under one page filter
3) asking me to ragequit like in LVIII. He knows I was town there, and he also probably knows that I only genuinely really rage when I'm town. I don't like this at all.

So Vivax, I don't know.

Crossfire

Nothing in his filter says town. At all. The reason we didn't lynch him is because he conveninently showed up as the votes were piling on him, and was like "oh lol is it deadline lol daylights saving time" and it seemed kinda genuine. What the fuck has he done with this reprieve? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Looks like mafia.

Corazon

I think he's mafia. I'm running out of time so I can't quote posts, but his push on yamato feels really forced. If I'm dead, go read back through his filter. Look at how he talks about his push on yamato. It continuously reads that he's going to keep pushing yamato until he doesn't have to anymore. He refuses to do anything else, but he basically says "yeah I'm just going to tunnel yamato". He's not active or engaged with anything else. When yamato was in the thread earlier talking with austin, corazon came back to the thread to tunnel yamato some more, and disappeared, deciding not to take the time to make conversation with his main scumread. Looks like mafia.

Foolishness

Apparently he's short of time because he's doing jack shit. He got caught in a lie by saying that he always finds me scummy, even though that's impossible, everything he said about that, our games together, my smurf game, has been disproved. He's kinda around but not doing anything. I'm quoting this post for length

On March 11 2013 13:14 Foolishness wrote:
And it is so on this brightest of white days that I stroll into Personality Town. I clutch the assignment paper in my pocket as I walk into the main parts of the town. The paper that was handed to me not moments ago from the gate guard Greymist. Though I had arrived late to the town, I had already knew exactly where I was proceeding to; a destination known, but not known for I had only just arrived and getting my bearings down would take some effort.

But on the right side of the street I came across a wonderful grove; full of vibrant trees that radiated through the yard. I stopped for a moment to take in the scene. I was not the only one so moved by the scenery, as many people buzzed through their way through the many trees. Not a minute had passed before a fine gentleman approached the grove as well. Though I gave him no inclination to, he stood beside me and struck up conversation.

"They are cherry pickers you see," he said, pointing at the people wandering in and out of the grove.
"Cherry pickers?" I asked.
"Yes," BloodyC0bbler replied. "But they only pick cherries. Ask them to pick from the apple trees, and you will be met with resistance."
"That must make it difficult to accomplish anything."
"Aye. You best be moving on. If you stare too long you too will succumb to the ripe taste of the cherry. And then we will have lost another soul."
"But what about you?" I questioned him.
"I am the shepherd of these people. It is my job to lead them down the path of the scumhunt; to steer them away from the cherry trees. They are my responsibility."

Without another word I departed the poor man and made my way down the street. And I wondered about the shepherd as I walked. Surely his cause is noble, but is that all there is too it? For a few minutes I pondered this question as I walked, until I came across a man sitting on a bench.

"Excuse me," I asked the man, "could you tell me where I can find the house of Vivax?"
"Ahhh, the house of Vivax you say? Well I could not know where anything is in this town. You see I am blind, and I have not interest where anything is in this town during my stay," Ver replied.
"Blind?!?!" I was shocked at this finding. "But how can you possibly hope to accomplish anything?"
"Oh ho ho sir! You only think to see with your eyes. But you have other senses with which you can see. You must learn to use all your senses in this town, not just what you see with your eyes. And then you will see! You will see that there is much to learn from your other sense. Why I have learned so much in this short time without my eyes. Sometimes, your eyes bias your mind, and you see things that are not really there. You only see them because your mind wants to. I do not have such issues. And thus, what I see is truly......pure."

Truly pure. I was at a loss for words from his short speech. What could I say to that? I gave a quick goodbye and went on my way, pondering his vision about seeing; seeing what is right in front of you, seeing without your eyes. Was I seeing things that weren't really there? Was I just seeing them because my mind wanted to see them? I ducked into a coffee shop and parked myself at a table.

I looked back through notes of the case. Except this time, I did not read with my eyes, but I read with my mind. And I saw something different this time. I saw what couldn't be seen with my eyes. I saw exactly what I needed to see. It was beyond what I saw the first time, the first time with my eyes. I saw a depth that was previously not there. I saw all the motivation (or lack of it), all of the ineptitude, all through a hidden agenda. It was...pure.

With the knowledge of my mind lingering in my head, I packed up my things and continued on my way; destination in hand, more determined than ever.

##Vote: Vivax


He had the time to make a post like this, but not do anything more than skim the thread for a read he'd later recant? Why not spend that fucking time writing the post doing something useful? This fucking REEKS of mafia making some kinda post to make it look like they're doing something. But he wasn't.

I've run out of time. This will have to do.


[/b]
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 13 2013 02:59 GMT
#2083
No will post for me. SS right, I'm just a nobody and in no danger tonight.

Luckily though, through the magic of townie play, you're all aware of both whom I find suspicious AND why, so a will post isn't even necessary EVEN IF I die! KALLOH KALLAY!

To answer the question I posed, I'm confident that yes, there are scum inside of Yamato, Crossfire and Vivax. I think yamato is townie - the other two just flip a coin and lynch one. That's my opinion.

You guys need to force BC/Foolish/Ver to contribute more than they have been. All of them, BC included, are guilty of calling people scum with little reasoning. It's not enough that they have an opinion - they have to explain their opinion so everyone can understand in order for it to be effective - and they're ALL capable.

marv is carrying this game for town, and if he's scum you guys should be ashamed of yourselves. Acro looking better now though. Mocsta is (?) because I now know he's capable of stellar scum play so he's on my "watch carefully" list. Everything SEEMS to be in order so far, but be ever vigilant.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Crossfire99
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1529 Posts
March 13 2013 02:59 GMT
#2084
I reckon this'll be my will cause I'mma out of kilter this game even though I ain't a varmint. Also, sorry y'all for my lurking, but I've been busy.

Vivax and Foolishness should be fixin' to get lynched cause they be no 'count varmints. I reckon too much been said 'bout them already, so I ain't gonna add anything to that.

Someone that y'all should be hankerin' to lynch should be Cora.
+ Show Spoiler [Cora] +
On March 11 2013 23:08 marvellosity wrote:
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On March 11 2013 22:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
Marv could you spell out your suspicion of Cora for me? Like, for me? I know whatever it's in your filter, but if you mean it you can just repeat it for me bish do it.


Yes, of course.

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On March 11 2013 01:44 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 11 2013 01:28 Kurumi wrote:
##Shoot cDgCorazon
##Nuke cDgCorazon
##Kill cDgCorazon
##DayVig cDgCorazon
##Burn cDgCorazon
##Murder cDgCorazon


Fucking hell hosts learn to balance the game...


Whether explained away as a 'joke' or not, this feels forced.

Then I don't like at all his attitude towards Oats:

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On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 11 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...

##Vote: Yamato

Gonna start scumhunting?


Does this not describe your play too? Did you not just delurk to call out Yam/Acro for something you yourself were guilty of?

What do you think of the "other targets being hunted"?


I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand.

I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that...

Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted...


Sounds like Corazon agrees a lot with the case, so Oats is probably mafia. Kinda fine I guess. But...

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On March 11 2013 08:06 cDgCorazon wrote:

On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote:
On March 11 2013 06:47 Kurumi wrote:
oh I will repeat that
I AM A SCUM ROLE AND I AM TOWN ALIGNED AND I WANT TO DIE SO WE CAN AVOID THE POSSIBILITY OF ME BEING A MOLE
thanks


so, if you're intent on being lynched, why don't you tell us what your role is?

hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today and to be honest I only barely skimmed your case. $10 says that what you said is probably valid, but it doesn't make Oats mafia.

By far the most interesting result of the case is that Corazon agrees with it, despite having played with Oats before (more than once I think?).

Corazon, why don't you tell me in your own words why you think Oats is mafia, why don't you tell me how Oats' play is different this game than in Hiro's game. thanks bish.


Dude, this shitty logic is bad for your standards Marv. Why are you attacking me for having the same view as you? We literally just said the same thing (like the case but don't want to vote for it). You are saying that you are not going to vote because it does not make Oats mafia and I said I'd rather see Yamato lynched than Oats. What is the problem with that?

The thing is, Oats' meta is not the main part of the case. BnS laid out many reasons as to why he thinks Oats is scum and I just made a comment that I liked his case and that it had a lot of valid points in it.

Let me ask you this Marv: Would you rather I...

Say "I agree with SnB" and just vote for Oats?

or

Say "I think it's a good case but I'm going to continue to scumhunt and push my top scum read"

If you prefer #1 it would be such a glaring scumtell.


Kinda everything in here is a misrepresentation. To the first bolded bit - our attitude was not the same in any way. I said the case probably made valid points but I still thought Oats was town. As per the previous Corazon quoted, this isn't what's coming across at all, it reads like he really finds Oats scummy. His equating of what I said with what he said is just totally false.

As you can see from the nested quote, I asked him how Oats' play differed from the last game we all just played together. Second bolded bit is him sidestepping the question entirely and saying it's not about meta. But he can't tell me WHY s&b's case has valid points, or HOW Oats' play is different this game. This is particularly interesting as most of Corazon's early thrust on yamato *was* meta based. Dichotomy...

The bit in red Vivax picked up on as well. It seems to indicate a concern for how he appears, for how he is viewed by others. Who cares if something is a 'glaring scumtell' if it's what you think and want to do? Do you refuse to vote for someone because you're scared of how you're perceived? Not at all.

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On March 11 2013 12:31 cDgCorazon wrote:
Vivax:
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 11 2013 07:07 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 11 2013 06:31 Vivax wrote:
On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 11 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...

##Vote: Yamato

Gonna start scumhunting?


Does this not describe your play too? Did you not just delurk to call out Yam/Acro for something you yourself were guilty of?

What do you think of the "other targets being hunted"?


I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand.

I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that...

Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted...


[vivax]
You think his argument is very good? His case is pretty big what exactly do you think is good about it or what parts do you think are good?

If you think his argument is good why aren't you pushing Oats and say we're far away from deadline?
[/vivax]



I think he makes good points. If you're going to make me repeat what he is saying and then try to hammer me for it, it's not going to happen.

I'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple.


I don't think I said I wanted to hammer you it's just strange that you comment on someone's case as being very good without reacting to it by either voting for the guy in the case or putting it into relation with your own case.

I don't understand why you are so afraid of me I just asked you something that made me curious
Why aren't you trying to persuade me about the yamato lynch then?

You too Kurumi I only asked you to write in a way that is understandable I don't get why you react like that (also you failed to roleplay didn't I break the Chezinu role or something like that ? )


Marv:
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2013 06:47 Kurumi wrote:
oh I will repeat that
I AM A SCUM ROLE AND I AM TOWN ALIGNED AND I WANT TO DIE SO WE CAN AVOID THE POSSIBILITY OF ME BEING A MOLE
thanks


so, if you're intent on being lynched, why don't you tell us what your role is?

hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today and to be honest I only barely skimmed your case. $10 says that what you said is probably valid, but it doesn't make Oats mafia.

By far the most interesting result of the case is that Corazon agrees with it, despite having played with Oats before (more than once I think?).

Corazon, why don't you tell me in your own words why you think Oats is mafia, why don't you tell me how Oats' play is different this game than in Hiro's game. thanks bish.


Mocsta:
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 11 2013 12:02 Mocsta wrote:
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On March 11 2013 11:34 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 11 2013 11:18 Mocsta wrote:
On March 11 2013 11:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 11 2013 10:51 Mocsta wrote:
On March 11 2013 10:43 iamperfection wrote:
On March 11 2013 10:13 Mocsta wrote:
OK. caught up.

(1) This game is super fucked with all the rhymers.

Promes are the most easily interpreted. I am happy to keep him around out of the rhymers (left)
i.e. Bugs to me reads like Chezinu in Mafia LX = White Noise....

(2) Yam shot; makes me lean scum... The guy was town TODAY, and confirmed at that... Martyr isn't a solid reason to drop our numbers down like this. The game is to lynch scum; not confirmed town.

(3) Strong and Big case on Oats reads well, and the points are valid.
But I know Oats meta/personality pretty damn well. Hes reading slightly town to me so far.

=======
I am more concerned Corazon (who has played with Oats recently in Duelist Mafia) is keeping his options open on Oats (if yam doesnt gain traction)..

Its early game, & we all know reads are subject to change...
Why keep his options open like this?
Why say, "I like the case but pushing my own reads anyways"?
Why does he even agree with the read in the first place?

Reads as over-eager ass-kissing to me.

@Corazon
Now that Yamato has taken a Day2 shot, I expect you to put your money where your mouth is, and make a judgment on his alignment and follow through accordingly.

##Vote: cDgCorazon

i dont understand this vote. You say yamatos shot makes you think he is scum yet you are coting for cor for some reason why?

I said, yam action makes me lean scum.

But in my mind, corazon handling of S/B case just read forced to me.

OK, so he confirmed he voted for Yam, but, it still doesnt go any way to explain his management of SnB Oats case?

His rebuttal is: You're lazy.


What else am I supposed to say? You didn't ask any questions, you just came to conclusions. Not only were you lazy and basically lied about my stance on a Yamato lynch, you basically said "Corazon is scum beacuse..." and put it in question form, basically saying you do not care about my answer and that you are going to sit here and use your vote on me as an excuse to not scumhunt and post silly pictures of whatever you posted before.

Your vote is fucking stupid. Asking for the same reply I give everyone else, just with a reply to your quote, is just you trying to look like you are scumhunting. Do you really think I am scummier than Yamato or anyone else who has been discussed as possible scum so far?


This is COMPLETELY different reasoning to "reads are subject to change" and is not town like.
Town will push their target for lynch until it is proven they are innocent or guilty.

You did not do this; you said, I will stick with yamato, and can then move to oats if that fails... wishy-washy and indicative of scum not giving a shit on who they vote for.


LOL
When in the world did I say I would move to oats "if it fails?" Read my fucking filter and stop putting words in my mouth...

Mocsta, your argument is ridiculously stupid and you're wasting everyone's time with this shit.


Heres your filter dive
(1) + Show Spoiler [yamato tunnel] +

On March 10 2013 13:36 cDgCorazon wrote:
Here's what I do not want to see from anyone in this town(in no particular order):

Lurking
BS
Confusing Posts
Being Scum
Lying
Decrypted Messages
Being Scum
Disagreeing with me
Being Scum.

So why do you immediately attack yamato? Surely it must be for something you put in your first list, right?

On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:
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On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:
On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
That would be...the most disappointing ever.

Wtf is this post

English too hard


Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet?

You're pursuing yamato for an absolutely stupid reason... Grammar & a stupid meta-hypothesis.
its a 25 player game, and about a handful had posted; why the fuck would he anyone have the scum team down pat.
This is just stupid, meaningless aggression that goes no where.
Then, there is your "question" to him: rhetorical at best, and derogatory at worst.
Exactly the type of outcome town seeks ... NOT

Lets keep chugging along please.

You then continue discourse solely with Yamato even though he is politely saying I am not entering a war of words with you; and start talking about Duel mafia (instead of the actual game).
You build lots of suspicion on yamato, and then, retreat. why... because maybe its a "personality influencing him"
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 10 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote:
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On March 10 2013 13:44 yamato77 wrote:
On March 10 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 10 2013 13:41 yamato77 wrote:
On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:
On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
That would be...the most disappointing ever.

Wtf is this post

English too hard


Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet?

You're a buzzkill

Not fighting with aggressive people this game

just finding mafia


So you have backed off of your position on this from N0 of Duel Mafia?

What position are you talking about?

I think you've played with me once for a full game, and you think you know EXACTLY how I play?

Lol.


The position I'm talking about is when you basically accused me of having no scum reads 3 hours into Duel Mafia and basically told me that I needed to have 100% scum reads 3 hours into the game or I am scum.

I know a general feeling of how you play. You're aggressive as town. You don't give a fuck if you die or not, as long as your top scumread dies with you:

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On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:
Let the double lynch [Yamato and Hapa] happen

I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things.


The fact that you have decided to back way down from posts like this and play more passive is a bit suspicious. However, I'm going to assume the personality of whoever you are is influencing your play right now. I'll take a look later to see what kind of Yamato (or whoever you are) is going to come into town.


Then you rescind to a meta argument to support the yam claim.. which is interesting.. because you dont apply a meta read to oats (with SnB case) YET you just played Duel mafia with yamato and oats
On March 10 2013 15:36 cDgCorazon wrote:
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On March 10 2013 15:29 Crossfire99 wrote:
On March 10 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote:
You haven't done anything, precisely.

You must be walkin' on a slant if you think you dun somethin' so far.


Yamato's already playing way too far away from his town meta for me to be comfortable.


More meaningless insults that go no where.
On March 10 2013 16:19 cDgCorazon wrote:
Yamato if you were playing to anyone's town meta you would not be playing this badly.

You're just trying to stir up BS and you are calling people out for stuff that you have not done either (which basically means you called someone out for something).

You aren't scumhunting, you're just throwing shit around. There's no need to do that. We find scum and lynch them. The fact that you are murking the water up means that you are not trying to scumhunt, which would make you not town.

Why you so scummy?

Again, more living in the past of Duel Mafia as reasoning for his Yamato tunneling.
On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote:
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On March 10 2013 16:39 yamato77 wrote:
Your argument is that I'm scum because I refused to argue with you.

Not exactly a strong one.


No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is.

So Yamato, let me get this straight:

You called me out in Duel Mafia for not having scum reads

AND

You're calling me out now for having a scumread.

Please bow down to your King and tell me what I am missing.


Absolute stupid vote rational.
On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...

##Vote: Yamato

Gonna start scumhunting?

So not only has this tunneling of Yamato been founded upon nothing except living in the past, and grammar.
He now votes the guy, because he wasn't around when Corazon thinks he should be around....

=============
(2) + Show Spoiler [SnB] +

CorazonWhen in the world did I say I would move to oats "if it fails?"

Here: Implicitly
On March 11 2013 06:20 cDgCorazon wrote:
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On March 11 2013 06:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...

##Vote: Yamato

Gonna start scumhunting?


Does this not describe your play too? Did you not just delurk to call out Yam/Acro for something you yourself were guilty of?

What do you think of the "other targets being hunted"?


I think Strongandbig's argument is very good. It's very convincing, but we are still a long time away from the deadline. Other than that, I've just seen a lot of nonsense and posts that I cannot understand.

I was the first one to start scum hunting, don't accuse me of not doing that...

Also, it's a bit frustrating to try and scumhunt and then have 5 people complain that no one has scumhunted...

(1) Says he has been scum hunting? I already proved his reasoning for targeting yamato were stupid and meaningless?
(2) Clearly says the SnB case is convincing... why mention the deadline comment? Because it would lose traction. This is implicitly stating he would support it, if it came about later in the cycle.

Yet he has the audacity to tell me, he never said anything of the sort?

On March 11 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
I think he makes good points. If you're going to make me repeat what he is saying and then try to hammer me for it, it's not going to happen.

I'm not pushing Oats because I am pushing my own read (Yamato). Just because SnB's case is good doesn't give us an excuse to sit around for 24+ hours and do nothing. I've already said why Yamato is scummy and now I'm voting for him. It's pretty simple.

And this is where he is setting himself up to move onto Oats whenever Yam loses traction.
it reads pretty clear to me.

tl;dr
Corazon says he been scum hunting.. but the effort has been fruitless and lacking of town conviction.
He hasnt obtained any real information from his target; nor prodded yamato for meaningful discourse.

He then follows up with a vote, cos they guy might have been asleep or having a drink with mates - i.e. wasn't around for an hour.
All meek attempts to scum hunt, and indicative of scum taking the easy road.

Then with the SnB case, clearly says he likes it..but its a "townie" thing to push your own case instead so will do that. LOl
Doesnt even give reasoning to why the case is good (when others clearly do not agree with it as valid on Oats)
Again, setting himself up for an easy switch, if yam loses traction.
Again, scummy play.

##Vote: Corazon



These posts look very similar...are you sure you aren't piggybacking off of them? Kicking someone when they're down is not a very town thing to do, especially when you just rehash the arguments that knocked them down in the first place.

Not looking good for you Moc.


Why is agreeing or using other people's arguments a scumtell?

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On March 11 2013 11:34 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 11 2013 11:18 Mocsta wrote:
On March 11 2013 11:06 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 11 2013 10:51 Mocsta wrote:
On March 11 2013 10:43 iamperfection wrote:
On March 11 2013 10:13 Mocsta wrote:
OK. caught up.

(1) This game is super fucked with all the rhymers.

Promes are the most easily interpreted. I am happy to keep him around out of the rhymers (left)
i.e. Bugs to me reads like Chezinu in Mafia LX = White Noise....

(2) Yam shot; makes me lean scum... The guy was town TODAY, and confirmed at that... Martyr isn't a solid reason to drop our numbers down like this. The game is to lynch scum; not confirmed town.

(3) Strong and Big case on Oats reads well, and the points are valid.
But I know Oats meta/personality pretty damn well. Hes reading slightly town to me so far.

=======
I am more concerned Corazon (who has played with Oats recently in Duelist Mafia) is keeping his options open on Oats (if yam doesnt gain traction)..

Its early game, & we all know reads are subject to change...
Why keep his options open like this?
Why say, "I like the case but pushing my own reads anyways"?
Why does he even agree with the read in the first place?

Reads as over-eager ass-kissing to me.

@Corazon
Now that Yamato has taken a Day2 shot, I expect you to put your money where your mouth is, and make a judgment on his alignment and follow through accordingly.

##Vote: cDgCorazon

i dont understand this vote. You say yamatos shot makes you think he is scum yet you are coting for cor for some reason why?

I said, yam action makes me lean scum.

But in my mind, corazon handling of S/B case just read forced to me.

OK, so he confirmed he voted for Yam, but, it still doesnt go any way to explain his management of SnB Oats case?

His rebuttal is: You're lazy.


What else am I supposed to say? You didn't ask any questions, you just came to conclusions. Not only were you lazy and basically lied about my stance on a Yamato lynch, you basically said "Corazon is scum beacuse..." and put it in question form, basically saying you do not care about my answer and that you are going to sit here and use your vote on me as an excuse to not scumhunt and post silly pictures of whatever you posted before.

Your vote is fucking stupid. Asking for the same reply I give everyone else, just with a reply to your quote, is just you trying to look like you are scumhunting. Do you really think I am scummier than Yamato or anyone else who has been discussed as possible scum so far?


This is COMPLETELY different reasoning to "reads are subject to change" and is not town like.
Town will push their target for lynch until it is proven they are innocent or guilty.

You did not do this; you said, I will stick with yamato, and can then move to oats if that fails... wishy-washy and indicative of scum not giving a shit on who they vote for.


LOL
When in the world did I say I would move to oats "if it fails?" Read my fucking filter and stop putting words in my mouth...

Mocsta, your argument is ridiculously stupid and you're wasting everyone's time with this shit.


Stuff like this, there's more of it, is irrationally angry, and he keeps attacking Mocsta rather than any of the arguments.

I'd really like to know where Corazon stands on yamato after the revelation of how his role mechanics supposedly work.
On March 13 2013 01:57 marvellosity wrote:
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On March 13 2013 01:48 Acrofales wrote:
I just got done reading most of the fall-out from Yamato's shot and I think everybody who calls Yamato scum for it is either terrible or scum.

Why the fuck would a scum Yamato use an anonymous vig-shot to shoot a confirmed townie and then own up to it. They could have used that power to take out some superpowered veteran with no fear of a medic, but instead use it to kill someone who was shitting up the thread.

Yes, it was a fucking stupid move to shoot a modconfirmed townie. However, that doesn't make it scummy. SnB said this completely correctly.

Vivax, Cora, Sloosh, VE all fail to see this, or are scum using it to try to wagon what looks at the time to be an easy mislynch. Out of these, I like Cora the least, but I'll keep reading.

+ Show Spoiler [brief thoughts on cora] +

Cora's early game was to attack Yamato based on meta. This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia. He then gets extremely paranoid about dying when Kurumi posts fake shots in the vote thread, and is extremely defensive about his contributions this game, which, at the time were minimal.

Finally, when mocsta points out some stuff he thought was scummy, Cora uses some terrible misdirection to deflect the case, by saying Mocsta was just piggybacking on other people's thoughts. Not everything has to be an original thought, and if other people had good ideas, a townie SHOULD use them.

Regardless of whether it was original or not, the deflection seems like a guilty conscience trying to wiggle out from explaining something he had no town explanation for.


Acro your best point you hid in the spoiler!

This from a player who I distinctly recall saying all meta cases are terrible in Duel mafia

I'd completely forgotten this. Witness:

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On February 26 2013 00:13 cDgCorazon wrote:
3. When I get home from school (in a few hours), I am going to re-read the pages with the whole go around between the TL veterans (basically everyone but the lurkers, me, Adam, Yamato, and Dieno). It's hard to follow because you guys just sit around and call each other scum/town based on each other's metas, which in all honesty is kind of pointless. Metas can change at any point, and players can use their meta from one side or another to conscientiously give others a town read based on their meta. Don't read too much into them (which I'm afraid you guys are doing right now). I'm not saying that all of it has been meta talk, but I've seen way too much meta talk thrown around.


This game, witness (spoilered for length)

+ Show Spoiler +

On March 10 2013 14:02 cDgCorazon wrote:
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On March 10 2013 13:44 yamato77 wrote:
On March 10 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 10 2013 13:41 yamato77 wrote:
On March 10 2013 13:40 cDgCorazon wrote:
On March 10 2013 13:39 yamato77 wrote:
On March 10 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
That would be...the most disappointing ever.

Wtf is this post

English too hard


Don't post stupid shit about grammar. Who is scum Yamato? Your meta tends to be that everyone should have the scum team down 100% five minutes in the game. Have you found the scumteam yet?

You're a buzzkill

Not fighting with aggressive people this game

just finding mafia


So you have backed off of your position on this from N0 of Duel Mafia?

What position are you talking about?

I think you've played with me once for a full game, and you think you know EXACTLY how I play?

Lol.


The position I'm talking about is when you basically accused me of having no scum reads 3 hours into Duel Mafia and basically told me that I needed to have 100% scum reads 3 hours into the game or I am scum.

I know a general feeling of how you play. You're aggressive as town. You don't give a fuck if you die or not, as long as your top scumread dies with you:

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On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:
Let the double lynch [Yamato and Hapa] happen

I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things.


The fact that you have decided to back way down from posts like this and play more passive is a bit suspicious. However, I'm going to assume the personality of whoever you are is influencing your play right now. I'll take a look later to see what kind of Yamato (or whoever you are) is going to come into town.


Meta!

On March 10 2013 15:36 cDgCorazon wrote:
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On March 10 2013 15:29 Crossfire99 wrote:
On March 10 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote:
You haven't done anything, precisely.

You must be walkin' on a slant if you think you dun somethin' so far.


Yamato's already playing way too far away from his town meta for me to be comfortable.


Meta!

On March 10 2013 16:41 cDgCorazon wrote:
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On March 10 2013 16:39 yamato77 wrote:
Your argument is that I'm scum because I refused to argue with you.

Not exactly a strong one.


No, it's the fact that you are not playing as abrasive as your usual town meta is.


So Yamato, let me get this straight:

You called me out in Duel Mafia for not having scum reads

AND

You're calling me out now for having a scumread.

Please bow down to your King and tell me what I am missing.


Meta!



Marvellosity, Dandel Ion, VisceraEyes, Promethelax, and Yamato77: These people sho 'nuff are fit as a fiddle and snug as a bug, and all y'all should be particular 'bout their health.

If I do bite the bullet, hear tell a storm is coming.

I'mma off to hit the hay now.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 13 2013 02:59 GMT
#2085
the only thing that makes Foolish look a little less bad is that Ver looks bad as well. that isn't much to go on.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 13 2013 03:06 GMT
#2086
as the daypost isn't posted yet, the reason I think Foolish is much more likely to flip mafia than Ver right now is that Foolish keeps coming back to the thread to not contribute. That seems worse than just beinb absent.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 03:09:16
March 13 2013 03:06 GMT
#2087
Deadline has been reached. No talking! Expect delays.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 13 2013 03:08 GMT
#2088
Monkeys.
All monkeys.

Vivax is being dumbass town IMO.

Foolishness may be scum.

Austin posting a whole lot of nothing but is town I think.

Dandel lon is suspiciously inactive.
Iamp is also not the shining beacon of townieness. Roleplaying only goes so far.
Iamp.
I will pressure Iamp next cycle.

No gg, No skill.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-13 03:47:19
March 13 2013 03:37 GMT
#2089
Day Two


Sandroba is protecting syllogism.

A Magic Marker has been invented

VisceraEyes as prplhz has been killed.

You are prplhz! After being lynched 12 times, we've decided to give you a little help! Once per cycle, during the day you may submit one of the following one-shot abilities: 1) Loose Noose: Three votes will be subtracted from your final vote count. 2) Extend Cycle: You may extend the lynch deadline by 2 hours. 3) Unlimited votes: empowered by the spirit of prplhz in steamship mafia, you may now vote for as many targets as you please. You win with town.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 15 2011 17:36 prplhz wrote:
Town shouldn't let itself get sidetracked if player A decides that they want to tunnel player B, look at what is happening. Don't just say "lole~(tm) u r tunnl means u r scum". If you want to lynch either a lurker or a liar you ALWAYS need to post analysis of why they are scummy too.


On November 16 2011 18:23 prplhz wrote:
Yea I like Kenpachi as a lynch too

##Vote Kenpachi


On November 16 2011 23:52 prplhz wrote:
I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR DRAZERK BECAUSE HE IS SCUM

##Vote Drazerk


On November 17 2011 00:12 prplhz wrote:
NO CASE NEEDED DRAZERK IS SCUM


On November 17 2011 11:18 prplhz wrote:
START VOTING DRAZERK HIRORUBY AND CYBER_CHEESE

STOP VOTING LANAIA AND CHAOSER

##Vote Cyber_Cheese

ALSO WTF ABOUT KENPACHI GG SON SORRY FOR MY VOTE


On November 18 2011 10:53 prplhz wrote:
##Vote bumatlarge

oh my god you suck

MORE PEOPLE ON DRAZERK, HIRORUBY, AND CYBER_CHEESE

LESS PEOPLE ON SINANI206

THANK YOU



BloodyC0bbler as RebirthOfLeGenD has been killed.

You are RebirthOfLegend! As an outlet for your rage, you've become a bus driver, running over anyone who gets in your way. Once per game at night, you may bus yourself with target player. Careful not to break physics! You win with town.

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 11 2011 01:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
LSB, you are straight up lying. The PM chain shows you made a favorable decision to the bus driver just because he pmed you more. And don't tell me you thought out all the implications of him being able to bus himself. If you actually thought it out you would realize that having a busdriver who can bus himself in a game is generally broken to begin with. Having a bus driver who can bus himself in a game with puppeteer/roleblock in it makes no sense at all it doesn't allow you to logically map out the actions.

By sheer virtue of him bussing himself it doesn't allow you to resolve what happens first, his bus of himself or my mind control of him. This is shown when you have "Physics fail" as our actions resolution. You didn't think it through properly and made a retarded as fuck decision by ON A WHIM BECAUSE HE ASKED allowing tnkted to bus himself. If you saw the implications of allowing that and still allowed it, then you are an idiot. That obviously isn't the case though, you did it without realizing how it would fuck over action resolution than wouldn't go back on it.

The part that pisses me off about it though is that you have the balls to try and say "It's mafia fault for not asking the right questions!" No, it's mafia fault for not saying "Hey, if a bus driver hypothetically existed he wouldn't be able to bus drive himself, RIGHT?" before tnkted asked if he could bus drive himself.

The reason I wouldn't ask such a stupid question is because the only thing that should stop my bus, is if I somehow got role blocked which is impossible. Logically him being able to bus himself makes our actions unresolvable, doesn't punish him for claiming like you said this game would, and furthermore with a mayor in play makes him pseudo-invincible, or requiring a roleblock + hit to kill.

So tell me, how are you blaming night 2 on mafia incompetence outright while claiming you thought everything through? The implications above are clear. You fucked up, and now you are unable to admit you fucked up. No host is perfect, hell I even fucked up a few times hosting in games. The difference is I admit when I fuck up.


supersoft as syllogism has been killed.

You are syllogism! As a player that almost always rolls town, you've inherited the ability to impact the game even after death. Upon death by lynch, you may place a vote the following cycle, but may not post in the thread. Upon death by day or night hit, you may post in the thread and vote during the following cycle. You win with town.

+ Show Spoiler +
On February 25 2012 06:32 syllogism wrote:
I'm also accepting role claims, pretty sure the setup is easily broken as long as we keep this quiet so as not to attract Kurumi's wrath


On February 25 2012 07:27 syllogism wrote:
I've in my possession one (1) Ice cream and am willing to trade it for an item of equal of greater value


On February 25 2012 08:47 syllogism wrote:
I've only two claims so far, hopefully the pace will pick up while I'm asleep.


On February 26 2012 00:13 syllogism wrote:
I've 5 claims right now, so even if some of you are still for some reason suspicious of my intentions, you might as well claim by this point. The majority of players will claim eventually and you are only giving me less time to plan.


On February 26 2012 08:54 syllogism wrote:
11 role claims so far, looking kind of grim then!


On February 26 2012 09:15 syllogism wrote:
Sheth: Mass claim is a good idea, claiming to a random person is not. I already have 11 claims from people who are quite likely to all be town.


You have 47.5 hours to decide a lynch. Deadline is 03:00 GMT (+00:00)
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17957 Posts
March 13 2013 03:42 GMT
#2090
How did Syllo die, if he's being protected? Fake message?

Did BC bus himself with a NK target? Or how the hell does this work?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
March 13 2013 03:42 GMT
#2091
FUCKING SERIOUSLY
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 13 2013 03:43 GMT
#2092
well, if we had medics they failed pretty hard :p

for what it's worth, I received opposite alignments back for Foolish and Ver.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 13 2013 03:47 GMT
#2093
huh i was assuming my role had a hidden component
but i guess it was just coincidence that the first two roles to be revealed had hidden powers

means i used it wrong last night, anyway. oh well.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 13 2013 03:47 GMT
#2094
On March 13 2013 12:42 Acrofales wrote:
How did Syllo die, if he's being protected? Fake message?

Did BC bus himself with a NK target? Or how the hell does this work?

No the message is real.
might as well claim it now I didn't get roleblocked.

I'm sandroba.
My role is worded that I decide that a player is syllogism and town, then I protect him.
Downside is that I can't change the target.
But the target is marv, so i dun cur.
ololol.

The announcement is a blanket "sandroba protects syllo" by design. Marv should now also return "syllogism" to rolename checks.

I did crumbs and shit but i cba to look for them atm.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17957 Posts
March 13 2013 03:49 GMT
#2095
On March 13 2013 12:43 marvellosity wrote:
well, if we had medics they failed pretty hard :p

for what it's worth, I received opposite alignments back for Foolish and Ver.

Do you believe the check?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
March 13 2013 03:51 GMT
#2096
On March 13 2013 12:49 Acrofales wrote:
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On March 13 2013 12:43 marvellosity wrote:
well, if we had medics they failed pretty hard :p

for what it's worth, I received opposite alignments back for Foolish and Ver.

Do you believe the check?


No idea at all. Luckily it has no bearing on the fact that Foolishness needs to hang.

##Vote: Foolishness
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7875 Posts
March 13 2013 03:51 GMT
#2097
sigh. Fuck you all.

GG
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
March 13 2013 03:52 GMT
#2098
Meh bitches got a parity check.

Lynch the fool.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 13 2013 03:54 GMT
#2099
##Vote: Yamato

Let's kill this mofo.
Grubby's #1 Fan
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
March 13 2013 03:54 GMT
#2100
Wow.. so SS gets to still post/vote. Cool power
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