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On January 17 2012 12:33 Toadesstern wrote: see what I'm talking about? Either lies or misinterpreting  No my case is not about trolling it's about the fact that he dodging everything he can. He does not give explanations, he gives only very little reads and used humour to cover his lack of explanation. That's why I am mentioning the trolls because they're in places were you should simply write 2 or 3 lines to explain his thoughts. He refuses to do so. And no I am not ignoring the case that he supported that case. He did that as well with annul and VE last game I was mafia with him. He is known to do that to screw with peoples reads. If people think he's mafia they think sandrobas reads are wrong => therefore saying a mafia is mafia makes people think his mafia buddy is town because people think he is town. He does that. Interestingly, you never once mention in your analysis that sandroba is "dodging". If your case isn't about trolling, why do I see a bunch of random sandroba quotes followed by the commentary "troll". You never definitively give a conclusion to your analysis as to what the summary points of your case are, because quite frankly you are all over the place and its hard to get your main points. And yeah, that just means sandroba isn't playing like a saint. Sandroba doesn't explain Ciryandor in much detail, but he doesn't have to. I already analyzed him. No need to repeat the same stuff over and over. You are also wrong that this is the same case as TL Mafia XLVIII. The important thing is not that he attacks Ciryandor, but HOW he does it. In XLVIII, Sandroba jumps on annul when annul is already a big topic of discussion and he is already getting votes. In this game, Sandroba jumps on Ciryandor when the case is dead and buried. HUGE difference there. Quit saying that I'm lying and misinterpreting when you don't even properly conclude your "analysis" or attempt to clarify your main points. If all you're going to say about a post is "troll" don't even mention it. It just distracts from your argument. | ||
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But yeah I don't know what to think about BM as well right now I don't like sheriffing lanaia at all. It's just a lot that sounds weird to some people (like what you mentioned). Don't know if that's a coincidence. However I still can't forget what Protactiniumt asked me earlier:+ Show Spoiler + On January 17 2012 09:38 Protactinium wrote: Nice try, but no. Look at the timing of these posts. You claim that sandroba made BC lynch Palmar 5 hours before before BC posted his chat logs. I don't believe that you are clairvoyant. The only information that you should have had access to was the post you quoted from the thread. But I seriously doubt that as a townie you would be bold enough to claim that Sandroba forced BC to lynch Palmar, when his in thread post is quite ambiguous. ESPECIALLY when wherebugsgo was THE #1 vocal proponent of lynching Palmar. If you were a townie, I highly doubt that you would ignore wherebugsgo's BLATANT support for the Palmar lynch and instead attempt to pin it on sandroba. Your story does not match up. You posess information that you should not have had at the time and are trying to hide it. There is still no possibility for this OMGUS to be true. 1) He states that he does not believe that I am able to read what I said out of what Sandroba posted (important!) 2) He says he does not think I am bussing my mafia buddy 3) !!!Assumption of my own!!!: I don't think that he thinks BC is mafia How in the world am I supposed to get that information I should not possess? Because you think that makes me look strange. If I am a mafia and asked my mafia buddy to give me the logs (eitehr BC or Sandroba) this makes sense, because I could read the logs and therefor know what's inside the logs. However he said that's bullshit and said I'm bullshitting a townie into death. So impossible according to him. Furthermore he tells me that I'm not having that good intuition to read that out of sandroba. Guess what when I am mafia and sandroba is town (because you don't think I'm bussing him) he's not going to give me his logs. Asking would be against the rules in the first place unless I'm another mason (sandroba do me a favor and tell him I did not mason or somehow contact you outside this game, BC the same) Yeah I know you did not want to talk about it and maybe I know why but please, give me just one single plausible solution to this problem: How did I get that information I am not supposed to possess if you don't think I have the same alignment as sandroba. Did I ask Santa to give me the logs? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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Also, BM for trying to put suspicion on me for not masoning you? I clearly said in thread that I was not going to mason you. In fact you attempting to justify that myself or opz must be red for not masoning you is hilarious. Why? One player has already claimed in thread he would not be masoning you, the other has yet to post. This is not an admission of guilt, however, I find it interesting that you then swap over to within a few posts with no posted reasons of On January 17 2012 11:42 Bill Murray wrote: 2 people who are masons are mafia together the sandroba lynch gives us a lot of information Now? If you were so sure of me 1 post before this post, why the hell would you not keep pushing me? Opting to lynch sandro for information on MY ALIGNMENT is not an actual case for my lynch. You just called me scum yet don't want to lynch me? But instead want to lynch someone for information on me? This is blatantly scummy. A town player would push his reads, not opt to lynch someone else for information. Jumping to sandro seems a cop out. Why? Because you are hopping on a bandwagon pushed by someone else. To give a reason why you would suddenly change we get On January 17 2012 12:10 Bill Murray wrote: not close enough, apparently, I said that it was 1/5, I had a brain fart The problem here is *I* called Sandroba out d1 He was pretty slippy d1 Now, we can lynch Macpo tomorrow with the double lynch, but your Sheriff wants Sandroba today, ok, guys? For no reason for swapping from me to sandro today as you were so sure of my guilt before (off of wtf information no less) I am asking everyone NOT VOTE SANDRO. The sheriff is hopping over to a bandwagon without giving a solid post why aside from it gives information on BC. If he was so sure of my guilt as he was a mere post before that he would be gunning me, not a person already being voted for. IF he was so sure of sandro, he would have posted his agreement on the case without ever out and out accusing me of being red, period. Jackal Hi Jackal, you may remember me from such games as this one. Lets take a look at your posting history shall we. You may ask, but why are we doing that? Simple, I believe its important to bring it for all to see. On January 14 2012 11:39 Jackal58 wrote: I'm sorry Bum. I had no intention of pissing you off. You are one of my favorite people on here. this is a discussion bum and jackal were having in thread and makes up 3 of jackals posts. None are game related and all have to do with a previous game. It is not game relevant at all and serves no point to bring up in this game. On January 14 2012 11:52 Jackal58 wrote: Is this Mist or Incog posting this? And could you identify yourselves when posting please. Rather than commenting on the quality of this post, its content, he opts to ask who was posting. This is not the jackal that I have seen play before as town. Jackal is a player who will push his reads, by overlooking an entire post of content that people will either agree or disagree with he opts to not discuss that and ask an irrelevant question. On January 15 2012 00:06 Jackal58 wrote: On January 14 2012 23:23 Adam4167 wrote: Ah, OK. I assumed "Good enough for me", was your way of saying "OK, you make a good argument", when instead you meant "A meta case is 'good enough for me' to lynch him with". My mistake. While you're around, who do you like for Mayor? I have an idea which way you might go (  )Bum. This post is important as he is asked who he wants for mayor and he says who. He follows it up with On January 15 2012 09:05 Jackal58 wrote: Voted for Bill Murray. He never states why he made this vote, ever. It is unhelpful as the only person he had made any point to wanting in office was bum but voted with no reason for bm. On January 16 2012 01:51 Jackal58 wrote: On January 16 2012 01:22 rgTheSchworz wrote: SO he's doing a scum-move thats not a scummy move? Omg, i sense contradiction Are you two the same person?????? Posts a question that is not game relevant, hosts clear this potential issue before game start or early into first day. On January 16 2012 13:11 Jackal58 wrote: On January 16 2012 12:35 Lanaia wrote: I noticed something. BM never posted who he was incarcerating. If he were mafia, how do we think that power would be used? I'm just curious here. However, this shortens the post I'm going to be making soon. Possible, but kita's claim... Is it typical for people to claim what happened to them? Why would he? I'd be pissed if he did. This although an important point is a very weird thing to solely concentrate on. Why? Because a mere two pages before you had an analysis of king james by me, and a huge analysis post on multiple players by protrac, one of the players on that list was jackal and yet this is never responded to. Protrac reposts the analysis later in the game as it went basically ignored and once again jackal did not respond in a meaingful way. A townie jackal would not be ignoring key issues and posting on this point while ignoring the debate on who to lynch completely. After the repost, jackal responds with On January 17 2012 06:25 Jackal58 wrote: Protactinium - Sorry if I haven't jumped in anybodies shit yet but this game is full of a boatload of people I don't know. I'm attempting to reconcile the style of play from those I know with the statements and associations being made from those I don't. And I still want to know which head of the hydra is making which posts. He doesn't give his opinion on the post as a whole aside from to clarify his excuse for not doing sweet fuck all. He uses the reason there are a boatload of people he doesn't know. Guess what, there are also a large amount of people in this game HE DOES KNOW. This is a moot point as while attempting to get a read on newer players he should be trying to get them on the players he does in fact know. Jackal as a town player shows his opinions. He usually does not make large grandois posts like myself but he does post in a very opinionated way as town. Why do I say this? Lets take a quick gander from responsibility mafia, a game he was just in where he was town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=124528 is his filter from that game. On December 21 2011 12:44 Jackal58 wrote: On December 21 2011 12:33 LSB wrote: I'm against the Foolishness lynch simply because it's a bad idea to lynch a vet day 1. Typically vets are the ones shot first, so there is a high probability that even if we don't lynch a vet, the vet still won't live to see day 2. What?????? Everybody in this game has been playing here for a minimum of 6 months. Easily. And you're using this as a reason for anything???? Your reasoning is worse than VE's reasons for not lynching Annul in XXXVIII. And those were horrid. ##VOTE: LSB On December 22 2011 01:39 Jackal58 wrote: Hi Palmar. Are you making a conscious effort this game not to bully others into following the Palmar train? This is actually bothering me a little. The last 2 games I've played with you when you were town on day 1 you pushed people hard. I mean really hard. Like threatening to kill them hard. Pushing to the point of others shooting townies or blowing you up. Is that Palmar playing this game. Cause that's the townie Palmar I know and love. The one that picks a lynch target and brow beats town into voting for them. The one that screams at people to role claim or die. Ya that Palmar. Not this Palmar. I don't know this Palmar. What are you Palmar? And what have you done with townie Palmar? On December 22 2011 01:55 Jackal58 wrote: On December 22 2011 01:44 Palmar wrote: @Chaoser: If I need to say something that fits into one line I'm going to keep posting that. @Jackal58: In theory this town is less dumb than the average TL town... although I'm starting to doubt that now. I'm trying to get GM lynched. How do you like that idea? GM and Mr. Wiggles both give me the willies. LSB does to an extent as well. But LSB is due to his foolish assertion that Foolishness is too good to be lynched. We used that exact same premise to save Annul on day 1 of 48. I can't point to any one thing that GMarshall or Mr.Wiggles have posted that I can point to and say aha. But they both bother me. I supose it's for much the same reason you are bothering me. They both seem to lack that townie drive I see both of them lay with. Oh and GGQ is scummy too. On December 22 2011 06:23 Jackal58 wrote: On December 22 2011 05:55 wherebugsgo wrote: Jackal, can you explain what makes you suspicious of LSB? Simple. His reason for not wanting to lynch somebody is ludicrous. Particularly in this game. The person he chose as a bad lynch target was Foolishness. Simply because he's a vet. I'm pretty sure I saw Annul receive the same defense day 1 in 48. Ya I know I did. I did it. He has also completely ignored my comment and my vote. You know what? I do the same thing when I'm scum and a single person fos's me or votes me. I ignore it. Why draw attention to it if everybody is ignoring it? I think LSB is scum. He tries to deflect a lynch target with bs reasoning. I think the target he was deflecting from - Foolishness is also scum. Foolishness is not a person that gimps through day one as a townie. GGQ is another that has 1 real post in the game. He stated in that post that he's ok with a the case on Chezinu and would support his lynch. Except there is no case on Chez. Just some early policy lynch talk but he has no votes. Then GGQ says he would support an LSB lynch but the case is really weak but hey I'll kill him anyways but it's a bad idea. Palmar and L are either both townies or both scum. I know Palmar loves to have pissing contests with his scum buddies on day 1. I've been the other half of that duo with him before. And their argument is so fucking inane it's well within the realm of possibility they are both scum. I'm undecided on both as yet. But I'll wager whatever the one flips the other will as well. So ya right now I'd be cool with everybody consolidating their votes on LSB. He should be the first domino to fall for team red. On December 22 2011 09:46 Jackal58 wrote: On December 22 2011 09:44 Palmar wrote: The most damning thing in LSB's play is that he has not actively pushed any lynch. I haven't actually played with him on day 1 before in a game I remember (he replaced in in steamship, and while his initial case on me was wrong, it was very aggressive). But I'd expect him to be actively trying to get his number one scumread (which seems to be sandroba/curu) lynched. I also very much disagree with sandroba/curu being any kind of scummy. I actually have a pretty strong town read on them, my second strongest town read after Syllo I guess. All he did was accuse them of bandwagoning a case. ##Unvote ##Vote LSB The most damning thing on LSBs play is he hasn't tunneled RoL into fucking oblivion on day 1. And vice versa. [B]On December 22 2011 10:41 Jackal58 wrote: Nope. Not today. Today is LSB. LSB gives us info regarding people that defended him hard and soft. Your vote on GMarshall could be seen as an omgus. It can also be seen as useless. Vote LSB with me Kita. Do I seriously need to continue posting these? You get the idea. His play from one game to another is insanely different. Jackal shows confidence as a town, he pushes people, generates discussion, calls people out. None of his posts have that feel this game. He has skirted talking about any major issue, sharing any read aside from palmar and overall has not attempted in anyway to actively scumhunt or keep town focus'd on one issue. He has instead posted non game relevant info, pushed no one and was fine letting town stay in a chaotic state. Quite frankly, he is clearly red. Lets lynch this mofo. IF by some reason you guys refuse to lynch jackal, the only other choice should be macpo. He has been analyzed multiple times, he is a scum read for near everyone who mentions his name and yet people want to off other people? He is one of the strongest red reads in the game, you lynch. I feel my case on jackal is as strong, but seriously? Why are votes anywhere else. | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:51 Jitsu wrote: @BC, are you back yet, bro? Did you mason up yet? That I did. | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:35 Bill Murray wrote: Ok, guys, I've passed on the names of the BGs to the 2 masons that masoned me the other guy townslipped in PMs with me .... please tell me you encrypted the names first. | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:54 Protactinium wrote: Interestingly, you never once mention in your analysis that sandroba is "dodging". If your case isn't about trolling, why do I see a bunch of random sandroba quotes followed by the commentary "troll". You never definitively give a conclusion to your analysis as to what the summary points of your case are, because quite frankly you are all over the place and its hard to get your main points. And yeah, that just means sandroba isn't playing like a saint. Sandroba doesn't explain Ciryandor in much detail, but he doesn't have to. I already analyzed him. No need to repeat the same stuff over and over. You are also wrong that this is the same case as TL Mafia XLVIII. The important thing is not that he attacks Ciryandor, but HOW he does it. In XLVIII, Sandroba jumps on annul when annul is already a big topic of discussion and he is already getting votes. In this game, Sandroba jumps on Ciryandor when the case is dead and buried. HUGE difference there. Quit saying that I'm lying and misinterpreting when you don't even properly conclude your "analysis" or attempt to clarify your main points. If all you're going to say about a post is "troll" don't even mention it. It just distracts from your argument. read the very first part of my case again and when you come back and still tell me what you just posted I'm going to lynch you: Toads case I'll just quote something else sandroba said, it's going to be big: EVERYONE, do me a favor: Replace GGQ in his post with "sandroba" and look into sandrobas filter. He is doing the exact same thing. That is the very beginning of my post except for the little part early on ( "how is it even possible to have so little support for sandroba after we had so many people who said that they'd be all over sandroba the last 2 days?"). Sandroba says He is doing his usual scum meta which is popping in from time to time with short messages that don't explain shit. Not only that but most of them is actively spread doubt without trying to gather any support from others on his "beliefs". This is something that makes absolutely no sense from a town player to do, but fits mafia behavior quite nicely. That is what he accuses GGQ to do and I said sandroba does exactly the same. How did I NOT tell I am talking about (let's quote again) He is doing his usual scum meta which is popping in from time to time with short messages that don't explain shit. | ||
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On January 17 2012 11:08 sandroba wrote: Also L I recognize that type of play from last game. Who the fuck you think is scum? Nice blabbering and walls of nothing. I'd be up for a L lynch aswel. Pretty sure not a page before this I put up a rather concise post fingering Toad and Kenpachi. Are you just not bothering to read, or has the stress of hiding from the thread gotten to you quite yet? | ||
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I hope for your good and my sanity that I'm wrong on sandroba and really am a moron. Because if I see sandroba red I'm going to get mad. | ||
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I am making this post as a way of compiling the thoughts of the few people in this game who are making sense and posting good analysis. A lot of it will be my own thoughts, but it's heavily based on a few people (should be obvious) who are the most transparent and the most obvious townies. 9 Mafia remaining. Here's the preliminary suspects: Macpo, GGQ, L. These are the people I feel we have the best case for and most of the transparent people in the thread seem to agree about these 3. Personally I think GGQ is town and we should avoid lynching him for now. Protact already gave viable reasons why Macpo is better than GGQ today, and I feel there is little to argue there. sandroba pointed out how L is acting like in Ver's game, and I couldn't agree more. We also have Incog's analysis against L. Secondary suspects: Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees. These 3 people have garnered attention from a few people but not from everyone, so they are listed as secondary candidates. I am of the belief that all 3 of these people are mafia. evantrees is already mentioned by Incog. I think Cyber_Cheese highlighted a good summary of chaosquo here. Most of it is similar arguments to Macpo. Bill Murray as red? I think so. Others have cast suspicion but there's not been a full analysis anywhere. A few people have commented that the election "feels" weird in some way, and I definitely sympathize. The votes for Bill Murray come across as the most suspicious: lots of random votes there. Personally I was surprised he even got into office (remember I was out all day so I saw the results without reading the previous 20 pages). I do realize I may have initially pushed him into candidacy, but I shall take responsibility for that and see to it that he's lynched in the near future. But to be simple: Bill Murray posted a lot, and got into office. Since then he's been pretty passive at the helm (so has BC I realize). That's good enough reason to warrant a ton of suspicion, as he should be actively scumhunting and posting without fear at this point. Remaining mafia candidates: Jackal, Opz, kingjames, zeks. Incog has an analysis against Jackal as we know. I am not on board with him being mafia yet. Traditionally when he is mafia he posts paragraphs, and not one-liners. However he warrants suspicion for having an apathetic attitude. Opz is someone who I believe Sheth was the first to cast doubt on, and I must say Sheth is definitely onto something. I know of the past Opz as a town player who is aggressive, not afraid to call people out on their bullshit. That's something we aren't seeing much of this game. He's posted a few of his own thoughts, but there is a clear lack of effort. Bored townie who is facepalming at having to read 100 pages? Possibly. Mafia hiding in the shadows? Fits better. kingjames is called out on by Incog, and there's further analysis by BC. His last sentence is the perfect sum to kingjames: "The key thing to note is that in contrast to his town play where he is outgoing and analytical, his posts in this game are very subdued, seem artificial and feel overly planned." kingjames has yet to do anything to contradict this. zeks I felt strongly about yesterday, he made a bad post which is nothing like his normal outspoken attitude (though it's been a while since he's played I think). He has since asked for a replacement and hasn't posted, but should still be looked at in the future. Meapak_Ziphh is someone I would like to throw out there as a candidate (which shouldn't be a surprise from the few of my recent posts). What has Meapak done this game? Tried to get GGQ lynched, and unfortunately that's about all he's tried to do. There is a very aggressive push from him to kill this guy, which I find a little suspicious and slightly out of character. Mafia: Macpo, GGQ, L, Bill Murray, chaosquo, evantrees, Opz, Kingjames, Meapak_Ziphh. Substitute a few off candidates and I think we've found our 9: Jackal, BrownBear, zeks, Munk-E, other random inactive player goes here. DONT LOSE THIS POST ITS SO IMPORTANT! Writing all that I think the usefulness of this post is immediately made clear. The most prominent townies and the ones doing the analysis are all right on most of their reads. It's just each person has found 2-3 mafia on their own, and most of the time they are all different. Pooling this information together I realize it's hard to call anyone and their analysis wrong, as when you analyze the big picture everything fits together. Anyone in their right mind would look at this game and think "wow this atmosphere is perfect for the mafia". Ver once told me that lots of times it's easier to find the mafia when the town atmosphere sucks because they will not be the ones causing chaos and disruption. Instead they will be sitting on the sidelines enjoying the show while the townies flail around. Look at all the names I've listed above. Everyone (yes everyone on that list) is guilty of apathy and does not have the interests of the town in mind. They are not thinking long term, or analyzing the big picture. They aren't playing the game, they are watching. Macpo Many others have said so, and though I may be biased, I still think it's best we lynch him today. I believe his case is still by far the strongest we have at the moment, especially since he has responded to his threats (with even more reason to kill him). At the time of writing GGQ has yet to say anything. We kill him (Macpo) today and spend the night figuring out who has the next best case. In the meantime, I'm going to be looking for connections between the above players to see if anyone can be ruled out or automatically included. IF YOU HAVE FINISHED READING AND YOU ARE A COMPETENT TOWN PLAYER PLEASE READ AGAIN Also, after sifting through this information, I feel we have a strong enough lead to start killing like there's no tomorrow. ##Vote: double lynch | ||
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On January 17 2012 12:47 blahz0r wrote: Okay so I want to make sure I read this correctly. You do think Bill Murray is Mafia? You could talk to me about it, and not VE QUOTE]On January 17 2012 12:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Unless I'm mistaken...I could be reading his shit out of context, and if I am then probably not - he comes across as pretty town. But if he's slipped up and told us how many masons the mafia have, then yeah, obviously he's mafia because town doesn't know how many mason the mafia have.[/QUOTE] I really don't like this from you, VE. I didn't understand what you meant at first, and when I realized you meant "how many people can they mason" I looked at the op at the mafia mason wording, and it doesn't say anything On January 17 2012 12:51 Jitsu wrote: @BC, are you back yet, bro? Did you mason up yet? I don't think he can. On January 17 2012 13:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: For all those atm trying to lynch sandro off "he made bc lynch palmar" is incorrect. The only lynch choice he liked of the ones I proposed was palmar and that was off the posting of palmar in thread at the time of the messages. Seriously, go check back and read palmars posts and you will see why. Sandro already reasonably explained this. Also, BM for trying to put suspicion on me for not masoning you? I clearly said in thread that I was not going to mason you. In fact you attempting to justify that myself or opz must be red for not masoning you is hilarious. Why? One player has already claimed in thread he would not be masoning you, the other has yet to post. This is not an admission of guilt, however, I find it interesting that you then swap over to within a few posts with no posted reasons of Now? If you were so sure of me 1 post before this post, why the hell would you not keep pushing me? Opting to lynch sandro for information on MY ALIGNMENT is not an actual case for my lynch. You just called me scum yet don't want to lynch me? But instead want to lynch someone for information on me? This is blatantly scummy. A town player would push his reads, not opt to lynch someone else for information. Jumping to sandro seems a cop out. Why? Because you are hopping on a bandwagon pushed by someone else. To give a reason why you would suddenly change we get For no reason for swapping from me to sandro today as you were so sure of my guilt before (off of wtf information no less) I am asking everyone NOT VOTE SANDRO. The sheriff is hopping over to a bandwagon without giving a solid post why aside from it gives information on BC. If he was so sure of my guilt as he was a mere post before that he would be gunning me, not a person already being voted for. IF he was so sure of sandro, he would have posted his agreement on the case without ever out and out accusing me of being red, period. Jackal Hi Jackal, you may remember me from such games as this one. Lets take a look at your posting history shall we. You may ask, but why are we doing that? Simple, I believe its important to bring it for all to see. this is a discussion bum and jackal were having in thread and makes up 3 of jackals posts. None are game related and all have to do with a previous game. It is not game relevant at all and serves no point to bring up in this game. Rather than commenting on the quality of this post, its content, he opts to ask who was posting. This is not the jackal that I have seen play before as town. Jackal is a player who will push his reads, by overlooking an entire post of content that people will either agree or disagree with he opts to not discuss that and ask an irrelevant question. This post is important as he is asked who he wants for mayor and he says who. He follows it up with He never states why he made this vote, ever. It is unhelpful as the only person he had made any point to wanting in office was bum but voted with no reason for bm. Posts a question that is not game relevant, hosts clear this potential issue before game start or early into first day. This although an important point is a very weird thing to solely concentrate on. Why? Because a mere two pages before you had an analysis of king james by me, and a huge analysis post on multiple players by protrac, one of the players on that list was jackal and yet this is never responded to. Protrac reposts the analysis later in the game as it went basically ignored and once again jackal did not respond in a meaingful way. A townie jackal would not be ignoring key issues and posting on this point while ignoring the debate on who to lynch completely. After the repost, jackal responds with He doesn't give his opinion on the post as a whole aside from to clarify his excuse for not doing sweet fuck all. He uses the reason there are a boatload of people he doesn't know. Guess what, there are also a large amount of people in this game HE DOES KNOW. This is a moot point as while attempting to get a read on newer players he should be trying to get them on the players he does in fact know. Jackal as a town player shows his opinions. He usually does not make large grandois posts like myself but he does post in a very opinionated way as town. Why do I say this? Lets take a quick gander from responsibility mafia, a game he was just in where he was town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=124528 is his filter from that game. Do I seriously need to continue posting these? You get the idea. His play from one game to another is insanely different. Jackal shows confidence as a town, he pushes people, generates discussion, calls people out. None of his posts have that feel this game. He has skirted talking about any major issue, sharing any read aside from palmar and overall has not attempted in anyway to actively scumhunt or keep town focus'd on one issue. He has instead posted non game relevant info, pushed no one and was fine letting town stay in a chaotic state. Quite frankly, he is clearly red. Lets lynch this mofo. IF by some reason you guys refuse to lynch jackal, the only other choice should be macpo. He has been analyzed multiple times, he is a scum read for near everyone who mentions his name and yet people want to off other people? He is one of the strongest red reads in the game, you lynch. I feel my case on jackal is as strong, but seriously? Why are votes anywhere else. That's not what I said AT ALL; Don't put words into my mouth What I said is I now know 2 masons that aren't you that I can confirm So that makes you/opz look bad because mattchew flipped already | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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On January 17 2012 13:39 Bill Murray wrote: You could talk to me about it, and not VE QUOTE]On January 17 2012 12:48 VisceraEyes wrote: Unless I'm mistaken...I could be reading his shit out of context, and if I am then probably not - he comes across as pretty town. But if he's slipped up and told us how many masons the mafia have, then yeah, obviously he's mafia because town doesn't know how many mason the mafia have. I really don't like this from you, VE. I didn't understand what you meant at first, and when I realized you meant "how many people can they mason" I looked at the op at the mafia mason wording, and it doesn't say anything On January 17 2012 12:51 Jitsu wrote: @BC, are you back yet, bro? Did you mason up yet? I don't think he can. On January 17 2012 13:08 BloodyC0bbler wrote: For all those atm trying to lynch sandro off "he made bc lynch palmar" is incorrect. The only lynch choice he liked of the ones I proposed was palmar and that was off the posting of palmar in thread at the time of the messages. Seriously, go check back and read palmars posts and you will see why. Sandro already reasonably explained this. Also, BM for trying to put suspicion on me for not masoning you? I clearly said in thread that I was not going to mason you. In fact you attempting to justify that myself or opz must be red for not masoning you is hilarious. Why? One player has already claimed in thread he would not be masoning you, the other has yet to post. This is not an admission of guilt, however, I find it interesting that you then swap over to within a few posts with no posted reasons of Now? If you were so sure of me 1 post before this post, why the hell would you not keep pushing me? Opting to lynch sandro for information on MY ALIGNMENT is not an actual case for my lynch. You just called me scum yet don't want to lynch me? But instead want to lynch someone for information on me? This is blatantly scummy. A town player would push his reads, not opt to lynch someone else for information. Jumping to sandro seems a cop out. Why? Because you are hopping on a bandwagon pushed by someone else. To give a reason why you would suddenly change we get For no reason for swapping from me to sandro today as you were so sure of my guilt before (off of wtf information no less) I am asking everyone NOT VOTE SANDRO. The sheriff is hopping over to a bandwagon without giving a solid post why aside from it gives information on BC. If he was so sure of my guilt as he was a mere post before that he would be gunning me, not a person already being voted for. IF he was so sure of sandro, he would have posted his agreement on the case without ever out and out accusing me of being red, period. Jackal Hi Jackal, you may remember me from such games as this one. Lets take a look at your posting history shall we. You may ask, but why are we doing that? Simple, I believe its important to bring it for all to see. this is a discussion bum and jackal were having in thread and makes up 3 of jackals posts. None are game related and all have to do with a previous game. It is not game relevant at all and serves no point to bring up in this game. Rather than commenting on the quality of this post, its content, he opts to ask who was posting. This is not the jackal that I have seen play before as town. Jackal is a player who will push his reads, by overlooking an entire post of content that people will either agree or disagree with he opts to not discuss that and ask an irrelevant question. This post is important as he is asked who he wants for mayor and he says who. He follows it up with He never states why he made this vote, ever. It is unhelpful as the only person he had made any point to wanting in office was bum but voted with no reason for bm. Posts a question that is not game relevant, hosts clear this potential issue before game start or early into first day. This although an important point is a very weird thing to solely concentrate on. Why? Because a mere two pages before you had an analysis of king james by me, and a huge analysis post on multiple players by protrac, one of the players on that list was jackal and yet this is never responded to. Protrac reposts the analysis later in the game as it went basically ignored and once again jackal did not respond in a meaingful way. A townie jackal would not be ignoring key issues and posting on this point while ignoring the debate on who to lynch completely. After the repost, jackal responds with He doesn't give his opinion on the post as a whole aside from to clarify his excuse for not doing sweet fuck all. He uses the reason there are a boatload of people he doesn't know. Guess what, there are also a large amount of people in this game HE DOES KNOW. This is a moot point as while attempting to get a read on newer players he should be trying to get them on the players he does in fact know. Jackal as a town player shows his opinions. He usually does not make large grandois posts like myself but he does post in a very opinionated way as town. Why do I say this? Lets take a quick gander from responsibility mafia, a game he was just in where he was town. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=124528 is his filter from that game. Do I seriously need to continue posting these? You get the idea. His play from one game to another is insanely different. Jackal shows confidence as a town, he pushes people, generates discussion, calls people out. None of his posts have that feel this game. He has skirted talking about any major issue, sharing any read aside from palmar and overall has not attempted in anyway to actively scumhunt or keep town focus'd on one issue. He has instead posted non game relevant info, pushed no one and was fine letting town stay in a chaotic state. Quite frankly, he is clearly red. Lets lynch this mofo. IF by some reason you guys refuse to lynch jackal, the only other choice should be macpo. He has been analyzed multiple times, he is a scum read for near everyone who mentions his name and yet people want to off other people? He is one of the strongest red reads in the game, you lynch. I feel my case on jackal is as strong, but seriously? Why are votes anywhere else. That's not what I said AT ALL; Don't put words into my mouth What I said is I now know 2 masons that aren't you that I can confirm So that makes you/opz look bad because mattchew flipped already[/QUOTE] How does that make us look worse than them? If you so strongly believe 1 of us is red why is your vote elsewhere? Someone masoning you is not an indicator of their or the other masons alignments, actions are. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
Bill Murray incarcerated Lanaia. mafia attempted to kill: Kurumi, Mr. Wiggles, GiygaS, kitaman27. They succeeded on the first 3 players. kitaman27 survived the hit. Kurumim shot Ciryandor. Here are several posts showing that Kurumi believed Ciryandor to be mafia. On January 14 2012 01:28 Kurumi wrote: Is the Ciryandor quote the classic "scumslip" or am I mistaken, since "waiting for Wiggles" then "Wiggles has the best campaign?" besides, <generic things> <vote for me> is not good enough to earn a vote. On January 14 2012 01:43 Kurumi wrote: You're consistent, good. Given that that's a huge game and we've got no special means of removing lurkers, do You find it logical to have a decent amount of KP on town's side? Do You think that Ciry will try to feign inactivity today? On January 14 2012 20:21 Kurumi wrote: Wait, You want Incog elected and Ciry killed or both of them killed? and of course, From Occam's Razor I had already assumed that Kurumi was the vigilante responsible for Ciryandor's death. I recall encountering some doubt after the Day 2 Post. Also, I don't want the idle speculation about whether the mafia used one of their KPs on Ciryandor. Finally, kitaman27: I read through your filter again but don't see an updated suspect list. Since I believe that you were targetted for death last night, I am very interested to hear who you would like to lynch Day 2. | ||
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I'm keeping my bill murray filter close at hand. 
