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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On February 11 2012 18:18 Toadesstern wrote: oh that's all you said. Lol I thought there was something else going on. What about this Palmar: I'm going to shoot Chaoser tonight and you could join me! If he gets medic protected or is a mafia vet he's done for. I really don't think your shot is unblockable at all, however I believe you when you're saying you got multiple shots because you said that a lot and I even quoted that earlier when you claimed in the first place. BM you better shoot tonight as well. I think the lists palmar and I did yesterday are both nice. Obviously mine is waaay more awesome but whatever. I could understand if you'd trust a vet instead of a guy who shot a townie n1. You should definitely shoot Chaoser tonight. Kitaman27 isn't a terrible target either. I'm going to kill you. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On February 11 2012 18:12 Toadesstern wrote: Still think Chaoser is probably scum and I as I mentioned I disagree with Palmars scenarios he did. Those scenarios are btw a bad thing for town to do according to my very first coach from my very verst game of mafia. Or it was my 2nd game of mafia but I'm pretty sure wbg gave me that advice because those scenarios make town derp way to much. Could you please elaborate? This sounds interesting. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 11 2012 18:23 Palmar wrote: You should definitely shoot Chaoser tonight. Kitaman27 isn't a terrible target either. I'm going to kill you. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/OacxRs.png) On a more important sidenote: I want DocH to be protected tonight. That's the most important thing for tonight. I'm gone for now visiting my big sis but we need to think of a plan how to protect him without outing our medics and at the same time make sure that the medic I called out to protect him is actually in this game. I'm considering telling you 2 names, if you're one of them you have to protect docH and he's proooobably going to have either 1 protection or 2 and I'm fine with both results. After all, he's the only confirmed townie and there still was no counterclaim. So that confirmed really is confirmed to me. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
You should be. | ||
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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
On February 11 2012 02:00 Toadesstern wrote: you know what I was referring to. Jackal shot DocH. DocH is the only one within the circle of people who are either dead or claimed a hit and at the same time are on the gay-phone-session. Jackal can only shoot people on his gay-phone-session. He called me a liar and maybe found out what was meant to be for docH. Anyways I'm pretty sury Jackal shot DocH. Do you mean all 4? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
I am worried because you're about to waste a bullet on a blue role that can't die tonight instead of shooting someone else, you know someone who's scummy and all but I'd say it's more likely that you're up to something than shooting me and in the offchances that you're not I'm still fine. No reason to be worried at all. Ok that's it I'm afk for now. Will be re in about 2 hours I guess. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
I don't think Clayface can save you from everything, even when posing as you. | ||
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Jayjay54
Germany2296 Posts
Radfield is now (like toad said) not scum to me, until he gives me reason to do otherwise. Palmar. I hope you don't waste your bullet on someone who is pretty much likely town. Next two lynch choices are: rG, can't believe that a fake DT claim is still believed to be town. Also, there is a lot of information coming from this. chaoser defending him. The situation with doc (even if the check was fake). hero, he's the one lurker, I'd like to kill the most. His few post make me feel sad. I'll look into Katina again, too. Something was off about the way she popped up and pushed sheth... Also, I actually don't like blue directions right now. I'd rather have them make their own choices and have mafia deal with the WIFOM. I am conformtable in you guys <3. | ||
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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
Even if you think i m scum because I lied,then you should shoot Palmar because he lied too. Can t say that I agree with chaoser defending me. Trusting what you think on first impulse is bad. On the other hand, how can you explain my actions, in a way that I end up scum? Reasonably, I should ve been scumcoached by now.would they allow me to endanger their team? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
I'm gonna start with Kurumi. Reading Kurumi's filter a few things stand out at me, they are very big things. 1. Kurumi criticizes other players for doing things that he does and for not doing things that he does not do. 2. Kurumi makes many posts which give the illusion of contribution. I am not talking about spamming. 3. Kurumi seems more interested in making other players look bad and putting down their play than making a real scum case. It's easy as scum to be hostile to people and make it look like you're "pressuring" or something of that nature without making real analysis, because you have to make shit up when you do that. 4. He is okay with lying.and does it for what I see as no pro-town benefit. 5. His relations with Sheth considering that Sheth was Tyger Guard seem defensive and his Day 1 offense on Sheth is short lived and possibly artificial. You can read his filter yourself here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=68386 On February 06 2012 19:13 Kurumi wrote: I find it funny how Schworz wanted to create discussion by voting Kenpachi and he indeed did. The mass claim is weak, just looking at things that Poison Ivy can be two roles (Medic and Vigilante) same deal with Harley Quinn and Two-Face can be either Vigilante or Detective. (AKA, what will You do when You have 2 Two-Faces or even 3?) The interesting thing though is Scum Doc, besides Scum Vig and Scum RB(Talia al Ghul). And to make it even funnier, there's DT-Vet too (Ra's Al Ghul). Killing Hugo(GF Medic or Jailkeeper?) removes Deadshot's(additional kp, the Vig I believe) power from the game. So: Mafia has 3KP and a lot of additional actions. They're like mini-town setup on their own. Where that puts us? Mafia can easily fakeclaim, because they have the powers, easy as that. About Schworz, I just ponder, is he IWANNABETHEHEROTOWN or he's like scumvoteasfastaspossible, pardon, but piling votes on him that fast does might be a little wrong (and that early in the day, sup dead set lynch when it's left 8-10 hours). On the other hand, we kind-of can't have Vigi kill him if he's scum.. Y'know, the Doc. This is a good example of a Day 1 scum post. While me and Cyber_Cheese had a real argument (which should have ended much sooner, which I tried to end sooner but kept bringing it up because I was being assailed for it) this is absolutely nothing. He is explaining the scenario then making a completely inconclusive "analysis" of rGTheSchworz. On February 06 2012 22:47 Kurumi wrote: Also why are we discussing 3rd party strategy, besides giving them advice and generating void discussion because not much can be analysed from that. They play for themselves and were here to win as whole: town. When I get home I will try to compose some lists, maybe even graphs. "What you're doing is useless. I'll be helpful later." Lists and graphs are not helpful. His list was equally useless to layabouts list which he gets upset about later. On February 07 2012 03:41 Kurumi wrote: 1.Bill Murray - He's back. A lot of posts. 2. Kenpachi - Don't worry if You forget about him playing. 3. Visceraeyes - "Core" of TL mafia 4. Toadesstern - Still quite new 5. Hiro Protagonist - "Core" of TL mafia 6. Jayjay54 - New 7. Layabout - New 8. Cyber_cheese - Still quite new // "core"? 9. Doctor Helvetica - Uh, need advice from someone like Jackal 10. Jackal58 - lurky, aggressive and good. 11. Slardar - new 12. Tobberath - new 13. jaybrundage - new I guess? 14. Wherebugsgo - vocal aggressive and good 15. Tyran - new 16. Tunkeg - new 17. Kurumi - troll/"core" player many posts (myself, ask away) 18. Risk.nuke - Still quite new 19. Opz - ??? 20. Kitaman27 - Quite good, been here for a while 21. ico - new 22. Evantrees - new 23. -_-qualis - new 24. forumite - "core" 25. Liquid`sheth - new, but played a lot of rl mafia 26. Radfield - if not dead N1 he's mafia. seriously though, amazing player 27. rgtheschworz - new 28. Palmar - sufferring from something I can't name, or maybe it's boredom because of role received? 29. Chaoser - was baller and not so baller since 30. Katina - new 31. Adam4167 - some say promising newbie I'd like people to add things to this player list, I'll how do You call it? important people // known // good should be discussed The first of two. This offers nothing to the discussion. This offers nothing to town to help find scum. This lets Kurumi control who is looked at and who isn't. This is more useless than anything he will later call "useless" when other players do it. On February 07 2012 04:31 Kurumi wrote: All Your posts are utter garbage. Do I need to motivate You with a vote to help Town? Oh wait, maybe You don't want to help us? Why are You defending Kenpachi? Such as this one. I think that scum was trying to get layabout lynched early in Day 1 because of the unhelpful graph he posted. Unlike Kurumi's little list, layabouts was a joke (somewhat amusing actually) whereas Kurumi's had a serious motive. Which is described by him it was list of generic info about players (really generic..) people who were suspicious and people who should be important in the game." Very helpful. Looking through the filter you can see his apparent tunneling of Kenpachi. He accuses other players of saying that Kenpachi's green claim is helpful or pro-town. In reality, nobody is saying that. They are only saying that Kenpachi does this every game and assuming he is scum for it when he does it every game regardless of his role is stupid and we should talk about something else. Kenpachi is not very good at framing arguments and can not deal with good pressure, his only bet to surviving as scum is to lurk, so he's not the kind of player anyone should be worried about on Day 1 anyway imo. I haven't looked into Sheth case. Give me some time. If he's mafia this makes a lot of sense. He seems to be pretty active in the thread and I doubt he'd have no opinion. The fact that he's criticizing other players for being obtuse and not contributing leads me to believe he should have jumped all over Sheth WITHOUT anyone else even having to have made the case. So why not defend him right away? If they're scumbuddies, Kurumi has to be deceptive here. He needs to think about it. Is he going to defend Sheth or is he going to distance himself from a guy who very well might be lynched? Artificial arguments happen. Scum will vote for eachother. Scum will bus eachother. The fact that Kurumi later supports the Sheth vote does NOT clear him of innocence. Kurumi does not commit to the Sheth wagon and because I missed I can't relate the context to the voting record at the time but it seems he switches to Qualis when the Sheth vote becomes a serious possibility. If Sheth gets lynched he gets to say "I voted for him originally, aha I knew he was scum all along!" if Sheth survives then he helped save his scumbuddy by moving his vote. This is the only thing that throws me off. It's a lot rarer, I think, that mafia players have confusion about the rules than town players. Especially something really simple like traitors/millers I think the mafia would definitely all know about. I don't know how many scumteams fake this kind of stuff now. I make it a point to ask questions in the thread, pretend to be confused about rules, etc. when I am scum and I encourage my teammates to do similar things. This is just a bit too specific and it seems like Kurumi could just be horrendous town from this. I don't know his metagame so I'm not qualified to judge if he is usually this bad as a town player or not. On February 08 2012 07:34 Kurumi wrote: I am afraid because i have no time and my targets are not exactly the candidates Didnt look into sheth or cc too much is vote wbg if it would matter but it doesnt so i voted qualis because he is my strong scum read too Doesn't care who gets lynched, picks the non-sheth candidate arbitrarily here. On February 08 2012 11:03 Kurumi wrote: Look: My strongest scum read is WBG. He came to the thread, made Toad case, then changed his mind and made Schworz case making two people change their vote and basically say "I agree", when the discussion on this guy was pretty much dead and irrevelant. Then he goes for CC, again weak case and bullshit argument. No big efforts and backed up by scummy people. Also, his case on Toad was built on basis that Toad had seen nothing wrong with DrH, while WBG does not comment himself on the case. His switch to Sheth was that WBG soft-defended him. If WBG is the one you think is scum, why didn't you vote for WBG instead? On February 08 2012 11:48 Kurumi wrote: I'll probably won't have time to redeem myself. This seems staged as hell to me. Kurumi isn't the one pushing Sheth so hard, the fact that he singles out the guy who is really just accusing WBG through Sheth just seems so odd to me. That's not town thinking. Sheth hasn't done anything to defend himself or contribute to town. "Oh, I thought you were scum but you want another day? Yeah okay haha fine  " Sheth's defense here is SO weak. Why did he appeal to Kurumi so specifically?Sheth has the heat on him and now his scum buddies need a legit way to take their votes off. On February 08 2012 12:11 Kurumi wrote: Chaoser, indeed. WBG Layabout Qualis my reads, top being the strongest. They are crumbling though. Most of the suspicion on WBG comes on soft-defense of Sheth and ressurecting Schworz and being backed up by individuals like BM. Layabout.. Terrible pictures useless at the beginning and actively lurking voted cc without reason only defends himself Qualis defending Kenpachi saying that claiming d1 is completly fine and gives no info or indication of alignment I thought most of your suspicion on SHETH came from WBG soft defending him because earlier you said WBG was your strongest scum read. You were useless at the beginning. You voted for CC without reason. You even admitted it. You contributed useless list which is basically equivalent to layabouts picture. He defends himself because everyone is pressuring him : i.e you. Scum tactic: Get hostile on someone, they act defensive, then say "lolol why u so defensive? u must be scum". Bullshit. Bullshit. On February 08 2012 12:14 Kurumi wrote: I am not trying to dodge the lynch, I don't give a fuck. Lynch me, fine. I understand why You're thinking that's a good decision. No need for claiming anything. Let's say, stars aligned perfectly with something. Somehow I am on a vig spree lately. scum. On February 08 2012 12:21 Kurumi wrote: My train of thought WBG is scummy. No way of swinging lynch on him. He defends Sheth, high probability of being scumbuddies. Proceed to vote Sheth. Then I get caught in my stupidity. My faith in my read on WBG crumbles. CC is the guy I never investigated because I tunneled people I've seen on my scum list. Layabout is on me now, was on CC. No way to get him up for lynch either. Forfeit him in favor of WBG. Then I get caught on being narrowminded and that most of my reads are for shreds. Although, Qualis still rubs me wrong way. Low activity, scummy behaviour, like, I can't be that wrong. You didn't get caught in anything, Sheth was the right choice. On February 08 2012 12:24 Kurumi wrote: Vigilantes are in the danger zone. I refuse. You have the balls to claim and make yourself a target. You say you don't care if you get lynched. But too afraid to put a name on the claim. Ha, ok. On February 08 2012 12:28 Kurumi wrote: The last time I made a big post on someone and the first time I believe was Merc Mini 2, pushing Radfield the Town Day One. I was Town. "I don't have to put in effort but anyone else who doesn't must be scum." On February 09 2012 21:35 Kurumi wrote: Death to Ra's Ghul! ##vote DoctorHelvetica Immediate and stupid assumption. Notice that he voted for Qualis and made a barely existant case in an earlier post. It was here Qualis defending Kenpachi saying that claiming d1 is completly fine and gives no info or indication of alignment Pretty weak. Tunneling Kenpachi again. So you lied and still won't claim the name. You didn't attract a single bullet, so your original point for claiming with no name is dead. On February 09 2012 22:58 Kurumi wrote: Actually, I think I might know what's going on with Schworz then. He might be Poison Ivy. She is unkillable by CW. This means, if CW hit him, it would have no effect. And, as You said, we can be sure CW actually did hit Schworz. Although, this still means he's town. A really weird gambit if You ask me. No, it's not for sure actually. Three people claimed two-face yesterday. OpZ did his little penguin roleplaying. There were other potential targets. Yes it's possible she used her DT powers. On February 09 2012 23:02 Kurumi wrote: Schworz is Poison Ivy Vigilante and he hit You. Since You did not flip, he assumed You're Ra's Al Ghul. How can Schworz be Poison Ivy vigilante and survive CW's hit? If I'm not mistaken, only if she chooses vet will she survive the Catwoman shot. I don't know if this is a slip of you making shit up to defend rG (as you've done all game). Scum might not be all too concerned about exactly how Catwomans hits function so he might not have thought it through. It's WIFOM to get too deep into this beyond that this post is nonsense. On February 09 2012 23:53 Kurumi wrote: Anyway DrH, I believe You now. I just wanted some reactions. No you didn't. If I didn't claim Clayface you would have never backed off me as Ghul. Scum. On February 10 2012 01:57 Kurumi wrote: Schworz, what's Your real role and name? Why don't you give up yours since you lied too. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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rgTheSchworz
Romania425 Posts
I ll explain. Catwoman didnt shoot N1 and I know it. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On February 11 2012 19:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You can just read the numbered list and look at his filter yourself. Whenever you're done lying and trolling. I never lie. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On February 11 2012 19:03 rgTheSchworz wrote: DrH, Kurumi isn t scum. I ll explain. Catwoman didnt shoot N1 and I know it. Of course not. Catwoman investigated Sheth (for whatever reason) N1 | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
You lied about being the two face and you're lying about being the Joker now so I have basically no reason to trust you. I don't even bother to read your posts when it's apparent you're being serious and I'll never /in another game that you're signed up for again. You're too annoying. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On February 11 2012 19:03 rgTheSchworz wrote: DrH, Kurumi isn t scum. I ll explain. Catwoman didnt shoot N1 and I know it. You mean the thing Kurumi is saying would be impossible in order to defend you???? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On February 11 2012 19:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote: You lied about being the two face and you're lying about being the Joker now so I have basically no reason to trust you. I don't even bother to read your posts when it's apparent you're being serious and I'll never /in another game that you're signed up for again. You're too annoying. I never claimed joker, and I never claimed two-face. Stop trying to say I did things I didn't. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
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