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On November 26 2013 11:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
corazon.. when there are cops... there are usually godfathers and/or millers and/or framers. if hf's claim is true then cop + doctor might mean we have all that + scum roleblockers. you should kept silent imo.
Well, thats true. But i think its unlikely to have so many roles.
It defeats the intent of this particular game.
That aside: All HF has to do is put a save onto Corazon. At worse, both die and HF is scum; at best, HF dies and Cora gets a cop check.
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cora, please check mocsta. please!!!
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On November 26 2013 11:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
btw moc, idk if this has been adressed yet, but all that stuff you said about lynching chez first is not good imo. there's pretty much possible way that onegu isn't mafia
I find it highly likely that Onegu is mafia
But I find it conclusive that jampi is mafia.
I dont see the point of this post? Are you arguing that jampi could be town?
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On November 26 2013 11:36 Bereft wrote:
cora, please check mocsta. please!!!
so you agree with my case on jampi; yet you still think I am scum?
dude... c'mon, you dont vote your scum reads.. scum read.
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if onegu is scum, he will eventually get lynched. if mocsta is the last scum, he'll run with it to the end.
though I guess if it's true, the presence of a cop AND a doc means there's probably a mafia godfather or some other power role.
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On November 26 2013 11:41 Bereft wrote:
if onegu is scum, he will eventually get lynched. if mocsta is the last scum, he'll run with it to the end.
though I guess if it's true, the presence of a cop AND a doc means there's probably a mafia godfather or some other power role. Dude, this is going to be discussed post-game.
*THIS* is not a reason to vote someone. Instead of being scared; prove my alignment.
Now you already tried to make a case, so did Onegu.
You also acknowledged that your best town reads don't think it holds water
I dont even understand what your issue with my play is... i mean fuck.. you even agree with my choice of lynch candidate.
I dont even need to see a jampi flip to know that *is* the best case in the whole game.
Theres not really much else I can say.
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Why waste a cop check to confirm an opinion I've had almost the entire game?
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hold up... why didn't you check onegu night 1? wasn't he your strongest scum read all day?
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On November 26 2013 11:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 11:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
btw moc, idk if this has been adressed yet, but all that stuff you said about lynching chez first is not good imo. there's pretty much possible way that onegu isn't mafia I find it highly likely that Onegu is mafia But I find it conclusive that jampi is mafia. I dont see the point of this post? Are you arguing that jampi could be town?
no they are both mafia
but onegu's derp conversation with corazon "confirms" him as scum so we lynch him first
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On November 26 2013 11:47 Bereft wrote:
hold up... why didn't you check onegu night 1? wasn't he your strongest scum read all day?
Because I would rather spend one check on someone I wasn't too sure of. The difference between last night and tonight is that we NEED to lynch scum tomorrow. I wanted to check someone I was less sure (aka more null) about, just to take off the amount of suspects that I had. I wasn't as sure about Onegu scum as I am now, and getting a red check wasn't as important then as it is now.
Also, things weren't as set in stone with 3-4 people who are probably scum. I had about 2-3 solid town reads and was unsure about the rest during night 1. As you can see, I got a green check with sciberia and I stopped attacking him after N1.
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On November 26 2013 11:37 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 11:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
btw moc, idk if this has been adressed yet, but all that stuff you said about lynching chez first is not good imo. there's pretty much possible way that onegu isn't mafia I find it highly likely that Onegu is mafia But I find it conclusive that jampi is mafia. I dont see the point of this post? Are you arguing that jampi could be town?
my response to this should have been
swtich "highly likely" and "conclusive" and those are my reads... opposite of yours. wanting to lynch for info is bad
do you think that there is any possilbe way for a town onegu, who knows that he almost got lynched d2 and that people want to lynch him in d3, thinks that he will be nightkilled? that post was so fake.. here let me show you
On November 26 2013 06:06 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote:On November 26 2013 05:54 Onegu wrote:
Its mocsta who failed at bbc code in his spoiler btw not me Well I wrote that post you quoted because I thought it was a case on me. If you were reading you would've seen that I realized that. Trust me Im reading very close. You wont like what I found since I will prove you are scum, since its 4am Im going to give you the big things now, and do a full case like mocsta where I dont cherrypick and show all your scummyness tomorrow, but since I am now right onto the real scumteam I might be shot tonight. Preview + Show Spoiler + Mocsta, cDgCorazon, rean/alakaslam
to quote corazon
"LOL"
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ya I'm pretty much with thrawn on this one
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On November 26 2013 11:52 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 11:47 Bereft wrote:
hold up... why didn't you check onegu night 1? wasn't he your strongest scum read all day? Because I would rather spend one check on someone I wasn't too sure of. The difference between last night and tonight is that we NEED to lynch scum tomorrow. I wanted to check someone I was less sure (aka more null) about, just to take off the amount of suspects that I had. I wasn't as sure about Onegu scum as I am now, and getting a red check wasn't as important then as it is now. Also, things weren't as set in stone with 3-4 people who are probably scum. I had about 2-3 solid town reads and was unsure about the rest during night 1. As you can see, I got a green check with sciberia and I stopped attacking him after N1.
Scibs made some sense to me because Corazon filter was lazed with over 40 references to scibs throughout the cycle.
He was also Corazons first scum read.
Having said that..
On November 24 2013 09:38 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 12:48 Holyflare wrote:On November 22 2013 12:41 Mocsta wrote:On November 22 2013 12:32 Holyflare wrote:
Onegu is someone who prides himself in reading rayn, he even started to call him town at his last post before he afk'd. If he knew rayn was displaying his towny attributes why did he not try and convince any of you that he wasn't scum? Well, his last post was at like 3am.. i dunno So.. am I still scum to you? From what I've read so far, I mean, you of all people have played with rayn and that vote just now was pure policy. You know I have also played with rayn a lot and so when I call him town based on what I've read you shouldn't throw it away and still lynch him. Yes he may have been obnoxious and shit flinging but that is because he was quite clearly annoyed at people. He was emotionally invested. It is hard to fake it the way he did and whether he was annoying or not a towny is a towny. You actively went against a win con because you did not want to play with him again. THAT is scummy. There was Aqua who blatantly disregarded anything rayn said at all. The crux of it comes down to this: He had reads on people that disagreed with thread sentiment. He thought he was correct in those reads and shit things up, so what part of that would have been scummy to you? He went balls to the wall defending someone other people think is scum. Do you think he'd associate that strongly with someone if he was scum? That is not how rayn plays at all. Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 16:23 Onegu wrote:
Also when are people going to realize this is a game of logic not emotion, rayn never personally attacks people, he only attacks thier gameplay. I have a problem when people are attacked with personal assults that have nothing to do with the game rayn never does this. Rayn forces his reads down your throat, and when he is throwning reads everywhere and changeing them constantly its difficult to follow, but when he tunnels onto someone most of the time he is right. And in this game say what you want rayn was playing the game and wanting to policy lynch him for it dumb. Mocsta you habe played multiple games with him why all of a sudden do you want to policy lynch him this game? Why are these posts basically the same? Why are they both attacking Mocsta and trying to pass the blame for the Rayn lynch solely on him? Cause they are scum! This is before the night post ended.
Im kinda surprised HF wasnt checked. I would expect him after that claim and you calling him out as scum to be your first read.
I suppose you could argue he may have been shot so its a waste of a check.
But then yes, I am in agreement with Bereft, Onegu makes more sense from your perspective.
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got it. well do whatever you think is best, I can't stop you.
I wanted to see what mocsta's reaction would be. can't tell if I'm "CB" atm. I'll think about it after the flip.
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(A lot of this has been said already since I wrote a fair bit of it last night. But you can have it anyway.)
Who to lynch tomorrow? My preference is Chezinu or Onegu. I'm pretty sure both of them are in the scumteam along with one of Holyflare/Alakaslam.
The case on Jampidampi by Mocsta and the "scumslip" picked up by Thrawn is probably as close to a read on Chezinu as we're going to get, especially if Thrawn dies (since I'm pretty sure none of the rest of us have much prior experience with Chez). May as well flip that coin sooner rather than later.
As for Onegu, this last tossup with Corazon has finally broken my credulity in just how few damns Onegu gives about this game. I honestly don't think there's any way he can have thought those two posts by Corazon were at the 2-hour mark if he's seriously analysing this game. His cases on Bereft and Mocsta could easily have been written by scum just pulling out post after post after post from their filters and saying the first damning-sounding thing which comes to mind. And while I was fooled by Onegu's indignation yesterday, I've been fooled by Onegu playing dumb before (see Newbie 43). I don't intend to let it happen again. You can lynch Onegu first to satisfy Corazon, if you like.
As for Holyflare:
- I have never seen him angry as town, but that's the vibe I'm getting here
- I have never seen him this disinterested as town. Read page 4 of his filter, compare it to any town game he's played in the past, and tell me that this is a town Holyflare who is genuinely interested in pushing a lynch
- He could claim to save somebody who aren't the two who scum kills. In that case, use your judgement.
- Sure he hasn't played like this as scum before, but there's no reason to change his town meta into this and plenty of reason to change his scum meta (replaced into a scum team with lurkers, just plain doesn't want to even try to contribute)
A quick aside re. Holyflare
+ Show Spoiler +If there's a save tonight obviously don't lynch Holy tomorrow, but still keep him on your radar. His play so far this game has been COMPLETELY unlike his town play, and maybe this is the scum team trying to protect Holy. It would explain their motive for having him claim in the first place. It does give us another mislynch so I think it would be poor play, but my opinion is hardly going to stop them...
maybe, MAYBE he'll get off his ass and contribute now that the weekend's over. But I think he's just scum. (Having difficulty reconciling that with the doctor claim, but... frankly that doctor claim was a f***ing awful idea whatever his alignment, so I guess it being risky as scum isn't scum-indiciative.)
Alakaslam I still gotta think about. If I die you're probably better off considering what he posts tomorrow rather than whatever thoughts I have now anyway.
In the light of this claim I have no idea who scum will shoot. If they shoot me, good luck - you're gonna need it.
(tl;dr I agree with sciberbia and mocsta, {Holyflare // Rean, Chezinu (jampi), Onegu})
Last-minute additions:
Corazon's cop claim... gah. I don't see the point if he's scum. But damn it why did you claim so long before deadline? If the scum have a framer we could be led entirely up the garden path. I hope he's planning to check someone who isn't Onegu and was just claiming that to lead scum astray. I'd far prefer to see a check on Chezinu or even Holyflare than Onegu. Given how hard Corazon bashed on Holy for his claim I have hopes that Corazon has plans he hasn't revealed yet.
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Night 2 Ends, Day 3 Begins
Flavor of strawberries.
thrawn2112 the Vanilla Townie is dead.
+ Show Spoiler [Role PM Fluff] +Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Samuel Flores Borrego a Mobster (Vanilla Townie) , you're the local expert on... handling... cops. Your extensive net of blackmail and controled information means that you never have an issue with arressts, investigations, or anything else, which means you're the man who other families pay good money to ensure that nothing happens to the things they really care about. Unfortunately for you, the police investiagation into this meeting is beyond your power to affect. its so secret you couldn't even find out who the damn cops are to get dirt on them, so for now you're forced to smile, nod, and pray you can figure who they are before you wind up in jail.
Aquanim the Vanilla Townie is dead.
+ Show Spoiler [Role PM Fluff] +Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Gerry Hutch a Mobster (Vanilla Townie) known by some as "The Monk". You are Liquidia's most successful and famous bank robber, and you made sure everyone knows, even if the cops can't prove it. You're actually surprisingly poor for a man who's robbed all the major banks in the city, some twice, prefering to establish and maintain your own charities instead of spending the money on untold luxury, like some of your fellows. That said, you have no love for the cops, and they'd love to get their hands on you.
Night 2 is now over. Day 3 has begun. You have to reach a majority for a lynch. With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch.
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GG guys
##Vote: Onegu
I agree with Thrawn, it doesnt make a difference.
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HF is guaranteed scum too btw. Doctor save had to be Aquanim.
Could toss up Thrawn/Sciberbia.
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EPT
