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Sorry for the influx of posts:
If I work off Rean is town: another reason I would expect scum to make the below post is as follows:
On November 21 2013 23:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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So yeah, i am gonna vote for Onegu or Bereft. Aquanim could be town, but Rean is a mislynch. Go for it if you want but i am gonna lynch thrawn on D2 if you lynch Rean because thrawn is spewing bullshit and he knows better than this.
Vote stands on Bereft, will be swithching to Onegu, not onto anyone else. On November 21 2013 23:16 jampidampi wrote:
Could you provide some reasonings for this? Rayn was going to push the lynch onto Onegu or Bereft, and scum tried to convince Rayn to get back onto Rean.
This actually makes a lot of sense to me because Rean was the lead candidate and its an effective means to "sow the seeds" and let others "reap the benefits - that only work for scums favour".
This interpretation has nothing to do with where I sit with Onegu or Bereft currently; its purely something I think is a very smart move for scum to make given the voting situation at the time.
Assuming Holyflare doesn't scum claim tomorrow (through Delay KP usage); I think jampidampi is a very information lynch for tomorrow.
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After skimming Reans filter I dunno how much I want to lynch him.
Some things are townie, somethings appear scummy.
Slam is not doing much to affect my opinion of the slot either.
Basically, Rean *could* scum; but without some more new information from Slam I dont feel confident in the lynch.
The main reason i doubt he is scum is because hes not really pushing anything ever; and when he does - there are plausible town reasons (OMGUS on Aquanim, Defending himself against the cases on him).
If I am alive next cycle I will read the filter in more detail, but now, I still think jampi is a much better lynch than Rean.
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what do you mean scum claim by delay KP usage? I support the jampi lynch. and yeah, white mafia is my epic fail scum game.
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My last post before cycle finishes
(1) If there is only 1 kill: Please lynch jampidampi; PoE suggests Rean is town.. but.. need a better filter dive first.
(2) If there are 2 kills: Please lynch Holyflare, followed by jampidampi
(3) My best guess for the scum team is: {Holyflare // Rean, Chezinu (jampi), Onegu}
I just don't see how any other combination makes sense.
Thrawns activity has really waiver-ed recently: but I still hold him in higher regard than the 4 listed above.
Even though I had a townish read on Onegu before, no1 else understood my reasoning for it, which suggests it was a confirmation biased read on Onegu. Pragmatically, he has done nothing useful this game other than be a thorn voting against a majority. Even people like Bereft who wanted to lynch me, decided to give it up in the best interests of town.
I think this makes Onegu look terrible.
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On November 26 2013 10:54 Aquanim wrote:
Thrawn, are you about?
yeah what's up
scum is onegu. 1 or two out of chezinu and bereft, then maybe scib or alak?
you corazon and mocsta are town i have no doubts about any of that. i can't say why i think bereft or scib could be scum because i am town reading them, more town on scib than bereft, but alas there are 3 scum so I must be wrong about something
onegu is mafia because he is way too confident in his read on corazon. he is pants on head in a scummy tunneling way. there is no way that a town onegu would ever say that he's going to be night killed because he has the game figured out... he knows everyone wants him dead, if he is town he would not expect mafia to kill him when they can "mislynch" him
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On November 26 2013 11:06 Bereft wrote:
what do you mean scum claim by delay KP usage? I support the jampi lynch. and yeah, white mafia is my epic fail scum game.
You are right, I never thought about Option #4 below.
There was 0 kill Night 1.
Either:
(1) Doctor exists and made correct save (on Thrawn) --> Thrawn is confirmed town
(2) RB exists and RB scum --> I imagine the Town RB would have campaigned for this scum person all cycle Day 2 + makes no sense in the context of the doctor claim.
(3) Scum used Delay KP to have 2 KP Night 2
(4) Scum used Delay KP and a Doctor exists.
Hence, what occurs Night 2 based on the Night 1 options
(1) Scum have a maximum of 1 KP, minimum of 0
(2) ??
(3) Scum have 2KP
(4) Scum have 2KP, and possibility of 1 save to reduce to 1KP.
There is a possibility of 2KP and a doctor existing... fuck me.
In this instance, I still feel much better about a lynch on jampidampi regardless of Night Kills.
I think Onegu is a logical second lynch (assuming jampi is scum)
Hopefully Holy/Slam become more transparent and we can lynch between them.
Like I said before, Holys claim is so so so stupid I dont get it as scum. I know he has pride in his scum game and plays super pro-town. I'm very confused about where I stand with him, other than LoneMeow was relatively scummy from a very low post count.
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I'm gonna post some final thoughts before the deadline:
First of all, I am an investigator and I am checking Onegu tonight. While I'm pretty sure that he is scum, there's no more time to play around and I need to make 100% sure that Onegu is either scum or town. Once we get him out of the way (whether it's from a green check or from lynching him), this game becomes a lot clearer. The evidence points overwhelmingly towards Onegu being scum and I want to get a confirmation of his scumminess so the town can have a clear direction
Once Onegu is out of the way, here are the order of people I want to lynch:
HF's claim unfounded
Chezinu
Thrawn
To be honest, I really think the scumteam is Onegu/Chezinu/HF but if one of those is disproven, I have to look at my shakiest town read. That happens to be thrawn. I have a lot more faith in my other town reads (Sciberia (I got a green check on him night 1), Aqua, Mocsta, Berift, and Alakaslam, in that order) than I do in my thrawn read. I've talked a little bit about how he is suspicious but once we get that far down the totem pole, I will look more into thrawn.
I'm open for questions until the deadline.
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What did you check night 1?
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cor why do you think bereft is town?
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oh wait it was buried in the middle of the paragraph n/m
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because i do yet i have no idea why i do
usually that means i'm wrong
will look at filters when i can get on pc
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Lol.. why claim so early.... Wtf is this
Filtering now for Corazon reads on scibs
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On November 26 2013 11:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
cor why do you think bereft is town?
Bereft is town because of his activity Day 2 and his contributions to the discussion, which I felt were moving the thread forward. It looked like he was trying to move the thread forward and find the best lynch.
Plus I just have a good feeling about Bereft.
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My flavor btw:
Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are Sergei Mikhailov a Private Detective (Town Investigator). You were the bright one in the family and was able to attend criminology school with the help of the "legitimate" side of your family's business. Your role in the family is to find the undercover cops so your business can stay clean and your family's "interests" remain undisturbed. Once per night, you can submit a name to the hosts and receive a message back saying whether your target is an honest Mobster or an undercover Cop. Crush those who would bring down the family "business"
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On November 24 2013 10:02 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2013 09:58 Aquanim wrote:
Corazon, do you think Sciberbia is scum? I'm not very confident in sciberia being scum. I appreciate the quality of his posts and the transparency he has shown throughout most of the game. I don't want to lynch him today.
I am inclined to believe Corazon is truthful
This is a complete 180 on his opinion on Scibs from the 40-odd previous comments.
Holyflare is confirmed scum; there is no way that this game has doctor + cop considering it is "back to basics".
1 power role each side makes sense due to complicating play via fake claims.
KK, so Corazon and Scibs are confirmed town.
I do like {Holyflare, jampidampi, Onegu} as the team.
GO TOWN !!
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corazon.. when there are cops... there are usually godfathers and/or millers and/or framers. if hf's claim is true then cop + doctor might mean we have all that + scum roleblockers. you should kept silent imo.
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I'm sorry I have to eat dinner. Brb 15-20 minutes sorry
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Corazon, I dunno why you claimed so early, coulda waited till last 2min. Now you are going to be shot along with probably Sciberbia.
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btw moc, idk if this has been adressed yet, but all that stuff you said about lynching chez first is not good imo. there's pretty much possible way that onegu isn't mafia
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