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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 25 2013 21:31 GMT
#1961
On November 26 2013 06:25 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.

I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.

That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one".



Ok first look at the bolded part. Im not going to make a case and vote because people only skim them and read them fully only when they think I am scum. How is this a townies mindset? He is worried about people makeing a case on him. This does not come from someone townie. Now look at the underlined part, there is no reason to make a case this early as they never stick. What out giveing someone pressure and makeing them answer questions with a early case and getting a read on them.


Cora answer me this what is really so bad with cases and votes in the first few hours of day one?


Did you see any votes that lasted from the first few hours of D1 all the way to the deadline? No.

Also, I only mentioned votes, not cases. I'm fine with cases and pressure/questioning in the early bits of D1. Why did you blatantly twist my words there? It is because you are scum trying to fake a scum read on me in order to push the agenda of getting me lynched.

Town has to find reasons that people are scum.
Scum have to make up reasons that people are scum.

The fact that Onegu tried to twist my words so that it appeared to have me say that I did not like pressure/cases early D1 is a clear sign that he is scum.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:32 GMT
#1962
my tldr
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:33 GMT
#1963
On November 26 2013 06:31 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 06:25 Onegu wrote:
On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.

I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.

That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one".



Ok first look at the bolded part. Im not going to make a case and vote because people only skim them and read them fully only when they think I am scum. How is this a townies mindset? He is worried about people makeing a case on him. This does not come from someone townie. Now look at the underlined part, there is no reason to make a case this early as they never stick. What out giveing someone pressure and makeing them answer questions with a early case and getting a read on them.


Cora answer me this what is really so bad with cases and votes in the first few hours of day one?


Did you see any votes that lasted from the first few hours of D1 all the way to the deadline? No.

Also, I only mentioned votes, not cases. I'm fine with cases and pressure/questioning in the early bits of D1. Why did you blatantly twist my words there? It is because you are scum trying to fake a scum read on me in order to push the agenda of getting me lynched.

Town has to find reasons that people are scum.
Scum have to make up reasons that people are scum.

The fact that Onegu tried to twist my words so that it appeared to have me say that I did not like pressure/cases early D1 is a clear sign that he is scum.



Why dont you like votes on people?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:34 GMT
#1964
Dont you think votes add to the pressure?
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 25 2013 21:40 GMT
#1965
On November 26 2013 06:33 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 06:31 cDgCorazon wrote:
On November 26 2013 06:25 Onegu wrote:
On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.

I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.

That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one".



Ok first look at the bolded part. Im not going to make a case and vote because people only skim them and read them fully only when they think I am scum. How is this a townies mindset? He is worried about people makeing a case on him. This does not come from someone townie. Now look at the underlined part, there is no reason to make a case this early as they never stick. What out giveing someone pressure and makeing them answer questions with a early case and getting a read on them.


Cora answer me this what is really so bad with cases and votes in the first few hours of day one?


Did you see any votes that lasted from the first few hours of D1 all the way to the deadline? No.

Also, I only mentioned votes, not cases. I'm fine with cases and pressure/questioning in the early bits of D1. Why did you blatantly twist my words there? It is because you are scum trying to fake a scum read on me in order to push the agenda of getting me lynched.

Town has to find reasons that people are scum.
Scum have to make up reasons that people are scum.

The fact that Onegu tried to twist my words so that it appeared to have me say that I did not like pressure/cases early D1 is a clear sign that he is scum.



Why dont you like votes on people?

Why do you insist on twisting my words? You're trying to get me to forget that I didn't say all of the shit you are affirming I said. I said "I don't like votes two hours into a game". Look at my post, that is what I said almost verbatim.

I don't like votes two hours into a game because votes should be an intention to lynch. If they are thrown around for pressure, it just takes the bite out of them. If someone throws their vote around a lot, why should I take them seriously when they vote for me? I would know that they are very likely to throw their vote off of me quickly.

Now Onegu, it's your turn to answer a question. Why did you just take one post I made and come up with two conclusions that are not obviously right if you were reading the entire post?

Either
a)You didn't read the post well enough (which is scummy)
or
b)You're trying to twist my words and make me lookscummier (which is basically lying and fabricating evidence, two very obvious scum tells)
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:47 GMT
#1966
On November 21 2013 01:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
On Aqua (again):

My problem with Aquanim is that he goes from a very neutral stance on me:

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please.

I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.)
As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information.

I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next.

I still want an answer to this from you:
On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far?


Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says.

@Rean
Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment?



To an all-out "he's scum!" stance without really having a transition between the two stances. It really troubles me that this was only after all of the cases on me came out. It just looks like Aqua just wants to follow thread sentiment for the big issues and branch out only for things related to his "reads". For example, his case on Rean screams to me that he wants to attack Rean for defending me. His case is weak and he blatantly lies about Rean's questioning of him and calls them not important when in fact he failed to read the reason they were asked in the first place:

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please.


It's obvious that Aquanim did not read the reason that Rean threw out this post and simply calls Rean scummy for asking this question. This was a good post because Rean wanted to continue discussion and get a read on Aqua who he had felt was not contributing enough information and enough opinions to the conversation. The fact that Aqua calls this scummy is absurd and can only be attributed to his own scumminess.

TL;DR
Changes opinion on me to follow thread sentiment
Attacks Rean (and says his question about town/scum reads accomplishes nothing when in fact it does) for defending me
This guy is scum

I'm confident enough in this case to throw a ##Vote: Aquanim out.




Because this was your next post, and I was trapping you, look at time stamps people 16 minutes after that post about not voteing people, you think this case was meant to lynch Aqua 2 hours 16 minutes into the game? And then I ask him here and he confirms.

Baby Seals would be nice.

Full case tomorrow.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:48 GMT
#1967
##Dunked
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 25 2013 21:50 GMT
#1968
Please read the time stamp for this post.

On November 20 2013 11:59 GMarshal wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Day 1

[image loading]


Thirteen men gathered around GMarshal's casket. Its odd, how a man, in death, is nothing more than a cadaver, a figure of muted reverence, quickly forgotten, weather in life his name invoked horror and reverence or scorn and disgust. The thirteen men spoke in hushed tones around the casket. The body wasn't cold yet, but politics were politics, a successor must be chosen. A truce made in the intrim. One man however wasn't as calm as the others. ObviousOne was rather noticeably nervous, in contrast to the rest of the men, long driblets of sweat streaked down his face. The rest of the men didn't notice, or at least pretended not to. The gathering slowly dissolved, one man at the time peeling away from the group, the meeting time for the next day decided, only ObviousOne having remained behind.

The gathering, at dawn of the next day, was a burlesque recreation of the previous nights gathering, except for twelve men instead of thirteen, and a different corpse. ObviousOne's bullet riddled body on the table. One of the men grunted "We have a problem." A silence fell over the room as the facts were laid out, among the twelve men here were three who didn't have the families' best interests in mind. Not only did the men here have to decide on who would lead them and keep the families from turning on each other and the city into a bloodbath, but they also had to find the cops who dared attend this most private of meetings.

It would not prove to be easy.



GMarshal the Padrino has died of "natural causes"
ObviousOne the Police Sting Coordinator has died of lead poisoning.

It is day 1! You have 48 hours to determine who to lynch! Remember you need a majority. Vote in this thread in the proper format.


And the time stamp for my other post.

25 hours and 16 minutes passed. Not 2 hours and 16 minutes. That is your third lie in about 15 minutes.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 25 2013 21:50 GMT
#1969
On November 26 2013 06:48 Onegu wrote:
##Dunked

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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 25 2013 21:53 GMT
#1970
Just kidding, I can't count.

It was 11 hours and 16 minutes. Not 2 hours 16 minutes.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 25 2013 21:54 GMT
#1971
But still
On November 26 2013 06:48 Onegu wrote:
##Dunked

Please concede
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 21:58 GMT
#1972
On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.

I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.

That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one".


November 21 2013 01:00


On November 21 2013 01:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
On Aqua (again):

My problem with Aquanim is that he goes from a very neutral stance on me:

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please.

I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.)
As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information.

I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next.

I still want an answer to this from you:
On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far?


Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says.

@Rean
Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment?



To an all-out "he's scum!" stance without really having a transition between the two stances. It really troubles me that this was only after all of the cases on me came out. It just looks like Aqua just wants to follow thread sentiment for the big issues and branch out only for things related to his "reads". For example, his case on Rean screams to me that he wants to attack Rean for defending me. His case is weak and he blatantly lies about Rean's questioning of him and calls them not important when in fact he failed to read the reason they were asked in the first place:

Show nested quote +
On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please.


It's obvious that Aquanim did not read the reason that Rean threw out this post and simply calls Rean scummy for asking this question. This was a good post because Rean wanted to continue discussion and get a read on Aqua who he had felt was not contributing enough information and enough opinions to the conversation. The fact that Aqua calls this scummy is absurd and can only be attributed to his own scumminess.

TL;DR
Changes opinion on me to follow thread sentiment
Attacks Rean (and says his question about town/scum reads accomplishes nothing when in fact it does) for defending me
This guy is scum

I'm confident enough in this case to throw a ##Vote: Aquanim out.


November 21 2013 01:16

Soooo

16minutes apart.

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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 22:01 GMT
#1973
Im waiting for baby seals cora.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 25 2013 22:02 GMT
#1974
On November 26 2013 06:58 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 01:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
When did I say that sciberia was bad town? Please find a post where I said he was bad town.

I didn't vote for sciberia because 0% of wagons in the first 2 hours of a game actually get to the deadline? None. What is the point of vote-jumping? It just allows people to skim my cases once they see the bold vote and only really look at it once it's my turn to be under the gun. Voting for people at this stage is pretty useless because it's not going to get a lynch going. I guarantee you that our reads and opinions are going to change before the deadline and it's useless to lock yourself in (or at least making a statement saying you are going to) 2 hours into a game.

That case was confirmation bias because you took 1-2 decent points about me (which alone are not enough to justify a vote or my lynching) and then supplemented them with saying "Corazon is doing stuff that he always does in every game, he has to be scum for it in this one".


November 21 2013 01:00


Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 01:16 cDgCorazon wrote:
On Aqua (again):

My problem with Aquanim is that he goes from a very neutral stance on me:

On November 20 2013 13:45 Aquanim wrote:
On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please.

I reckon Thrawn's town because I liked the vote on Corazon. That is the kind of action which will get us doing truly productive things. (His unvote doesn't change that.)
As for scum, I'm not sure yet. Not enough information.

I don't much like Corazon's case on sciberbia but I can think of reasons why Corazon would make that argument as town, regardless of how good it is. I'm still null on Corazon but I'm very interested in what he chooses to do next.

I still want an answer to this from you:
On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote:
On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote:
Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far?


Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says.

@Rean
Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment?



To an all-out "he's scum!" stance without really having a transition between the two stances. It really troubles me that this was only after all of the cases on me came out. It just looks like Aqua just wants to follow thread sentiment for the big issues and branch out only for things related to his "reads". For example, his case on Rean screams to me that he wants to attack Rean for defending me. His case is weak and he blatantly lies about Rean's questioning of him and calls them not important when in fact he failed to read the reason they were asked in the first place:

On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote:
Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please.


It's obvious that Aquanim did not read the reason that Rean threw out this post and simply calls Rean scummy for asking this question. This was a good post because Rean wanted to continue discussion and get a read on Aqua who he had felt was not contributing enough information and enough opinions to the conversation. The fact that Aqua calls this scummy is absurd and can only be attributed to his own scumminess.

TL;DR
Changes opinion on me to follow thread sentiment
Attacks Rean (and says his question about town/scum reads accomplishes nothing when in fact it does) for defending me
This guy is scum

I'm confident enough in this case to throw a ##Vote: Aquanim out.


November 21 2013 01:16

Soooo

16minutes apart.


Yeah. That was about 11 hours after the game started. I had my whole exchange with sciberia and I went to bed. When I woke up, I responded to all the crap about me not voting sci and blah blah blah and then I read the thread and voted for Aqua. Your point is invalid because in order for it to be valid, you needed to hope that I didn't realize that I didn't make this post 2 hours after the game started.

Only scum would try to convince the thread that 2=11 when it actually doesn't.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 25 2013 22:07 GMT
#1975
Ah, the sound of scum's arguments being squashed is like music to my ears.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
November 25 2013 22:11 GMT
#1976
Anyway now 5am, you can thank me for solveing the game with a mafia shot. If not Full case on cora for day 3 believe me there is so much more like the part in his filter where he claims to be not reading. Says my case on mocsta is great but we shouldnt lynch mocsta d2. There is a part in there where he talks about me not careing but words it from a scum PoV. Also you need to look at his post about it being difficult for him to vote rayn. And thats not even includeing his cases.

Plus I truely think he is being such a ass in this game as scum agenda, I cannot believe he is town and acting the way he has been.

Anyway sleep now way past my bedtime thats what I get for staying up reading his 14 page filter and tldr every post in my notebook and add my thoughts. Pics postgame, have mocstas also, but coras is bigger. That sounded bad.

Ok sleep

Baby seals.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
November 25 2013 22:14 GMT
#1977
On November 26 2013 07:11 Onegu wrote:
Anyway now 5am, you can thank me for solveing the game with a mafia shot. If not Full case on cora for day 3 believe me there is so much more like the part in his filter where he claims to be not reading. Says my case on mocsta is great but we shouldnt lynch mocsta d2. There is a part in there where he talks about me not careing but words it from a scum PoV. Also you need to look at his post about it being difficult for him to vote rayn. And thats not even includeing his cases.

Plus I truely think he is being such a ass in this game as scum agenda, I cannot believe he is town and acting the way he has been.

Anyway sleep now way past my bedtime thats what I get for staying up reading his 14 page filter and tldr every post in my notebook and add my thoughts. Pics postgame, have mocstas also, but coras is bigger. That sounded bad.

Ok sleep

Baby seals.

"Corazon just owned me and I don't want to talk about the 3 lies I just told but I swear I have a better case on Corazon and another case on Mocsta"
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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 23:04 GMT
#1978
can you two stop waving your dicks around kthx
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 23:06 GMT
#1979
I actually quite like you arguing with one another, might help me read you... but try to leave the egos out of it plz?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
November 25 2013 23:07 GMT
#1980
@Onegu:

What is your opinion of this case from Mocsta?
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