I was just wondering: of all the things people do with their scouting worker when it's inside their opponent's base, how come I never see anyone trying to delay their opponent's income slightly by having their worker periodically or repeatedly try to mine from their mineral patches without actually taking any (that is, if your worker arrives very early)? Just a thought: not really sure to what extent it would be useful

(since it would probably be even more advantageous resource-wise to delay sending a worker to scout for a bit).

Muhweli

Finland5328 Posts

November 24 2002 13:38 GMT

Many gosus do that... :/

Liquid`Nazgul

22427 Posts

November 24 2002 13:48 GMT

when he chases you he will lose way more minerals.

Liquid.Venice

United States916 Posts

November 24 2002 17:38 GMT

on some maps u can put buildings in their min spots, trapping their workers there.

t0yb0x

Singapore35 Posts

November 24 2002 18:00 GMT

On November 25 2002 02:38 Kiddie wrote:
on some maps u can put buildings in their min spots, trapping their workers there.

I thought that isn't allowed?
Anway it is BM!!(Bad Manner)

Liquid.Venice

United States916 Posts

November 24 2002 18:01 GMT

Why would that not be allowed?

They could stop it if they were skilled.

Roman

United States2595 Posts

November 24 2002 18:33 GMT

easy to stop, and usually not worth pyloning minerals...

ejai63

United States2101 Posts

November 24 2002 19:52 GMT

seems like you would lose more minerals in pyloning workers than your opponent would

mensrea

Canada5062 Posts

November 24 2002 20:13 GMT

It's called the "manner pylon" among Korean pros - a sarcastic term, if there ever was one. Most recently done by Nal_rA last week in the Challenge League (v Eji on Gaema Gowon. I believe the match was stopped mid-game because of network probs, so you won't see it on OGN VoDs...). Nal_rA actually did it twice in that game. The question of whether it's worth it or not depends on what the player wants to accomplish and against which opponent. The effectiveness of this ploy can't really be measured in terms of simple min v min cost analysis. What is clear is that most professional toss players have done it at least once in competitive play, and it continues to get employed every once in a while, so it must be of some help at least some of the time...

Klogon

MURICA15980 Posts

November 24 2002 21:03 GMT

#10

yeah, what mensrea said.... ^_^

LumberJack

United States3355 Posts

November 24 2002 21:21 GMT

#11

i believe Smuft invented it, too. I think the first time it was seen(in the professional scene) was smuft vs grrrr... rival match game 1, which was a quite exciting game.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

November 24 2002 23:05 GMT

#12

I just love manner pylons

Always use them when I can--V
Exept I use them alongside factories (just when they finish, to make them lift of then I cancel and put down another) and in their wall too. And I steal their gas --V And of course I try to get shield bats up and running if vs zerg

Regards FrozenArbiter

mensrea

Canada5062 Posts

November 24 2002 23:34 GMT

#13

When it works, it can be very entertaining ... especially watching the frustration build in the opponent.

ToKoreaWithLove

Norway10161 Posts

November 24 2002 23:36 GMT

#14

you can also do barrack vs (temple) toss @ 12 if you arrive early enough .. pretty cool

Bill307

Canada9103 Posts

November 25 2002 01:05 GMT

#15

But what if they don't chase me around? Or would it be more beneficial to just continuously harass their workers in that case?

I was thinking about this while thinking about instances where the player just grabs 8 minerals away from their opponent's mineral patches and wondering why they don't just stay there trying to mine without actually taking any instead =/ .

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

November 25 2002 07:44 GMT

#16

They might be trying to do just that- mining and then clicking stop just before taking the minerals (I usually fail after 1 or 2 attempts [failing to stop in time]).

Regards FrozenArbiter

AlmostSexy

United States150 Posts

November 25 2002 09:06 GMT

#17

lol
please dont pretend that something like that is gonna have any effect on the game overall

because it wont... it might cost him 16 minerals? maybe 24? But at the same time it takes up time, not to mention they can get hits on your scout. Its really not worth your time, better to focus on other things. If you can do it with not impact on your game then go for it...but really its so unimportant

Liquid`Nazgul

22427 Posts

November 25 2002 09:06 GMT

#18

it's position dependent, which is why it's a gay thing to do

Liquid`Nazgul

22427 Posts

November 25 2002 09:08 GMT

#19

On November 25 2002 10:05 Bill307 wrote:
But what if they don't chase me around? Or would it be more beneficial to just continuously harass their workers in that case?

keep harassing them until they have to chase you again, I think

Liquid.Venice

United States916 Posts

November 25 2002 09:18 GMT

#20

Actually it costs them alot more than 16 minerals. You get one off and cancel it at the last second, and trap say... 3 probes, thats gonna be probably 72 minerals.

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