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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On August 26 2012 23:31 winymure wrote: Do not buy coaching from him. He will take your money and not do the lessons, seriously, oh i was gonna but i guess now... | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On August 30 2012 01:12 drooL wrote: Guy going downhill again. I was supportive when he was putting effort into SC2 a few months ago but right now he's just wasting away on LoL. I won't say anything if he ends up having success with it but I can't imagine it. And seeing how his SC2-fans seem to have donated over 1500 bucks in his chip-in so he can "stay as a pro gamer in Korea", him playing LoL all the time is even more painful. Please go away now, lastshadow. Really? Holy shit, Nick. You just reached a new low. | ||
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
Me playing LoL is something I chose to do when stuff arose that presented the possibility, I'm not doing it for "fun". I'm on the first wave of HoTS beta-invites and I'll be playing/streaming that. As for the coaching stuff it's quite bullshit lol, there were two incidents where something *close* but not completely similar happened and I asked numerous other large figures in the community what to do, in the end, yes there was a coaching session that never went through and this was around the time of red-bull and completely shocked me (hence why I asked others opinions on what to do). Please keep the thread on topic of my stream please, cause all the other non-sense is just paltry. I'll start streaming more SC2 when HOTS beta is out, but I'm unsure where it will go. | ||
RaGe
Belgium9947 Posts
On August 30 2012 02:17 lastshadow wrote: The 1500 dollar donation never fully went through and stuff happened (this snowballed into me stopping sc2) a lot of stuff happened with it and then other stuff occurred. I stopped SC2 for reasons which would take paragraphs to type. Ultimately I had/have offers in place for other stuff and I had to priotize them as no one has any idea what my situation is like in Korea, so they should cease to comment on it. Me playing LoL is something I chose to do when stuff arose that presented the possibility, I'm not doing it for "fun". I'm on the first wave of HoTS beta-invites and I'll be playing/streaming that. As for the coaching stuff it's quite bullshit lol, there were two incidents where something *close* but not completely similar happened and I asked numerous other large figures in the community what to do, in the end, yes there was a coaching session that never went through and this was around the time of red-bull and completely shocked me (hence why I asked others opinions on what to do). Please keep the thread on topic of my stream please, cause all the other non-sense is just paltry. I'll start streaming more SC2 when HOTS beta is out, but I'm unsure where it will go. You're being purposefully vague. If it would take you paragraphs to write, write them. People giving you 1500 dollars isn't something to take lightly, as is you bailing on your coaching obligations while taking the money. If anyone should realize you need to protect your reputation it's you, so refute this in a decent way or this community will have to sanction you in one way or another. You're right that it doesn't belong in your streaming thread though, so I expect you to make a blog explaining yourself to those that supported you (monetarily). To all others in this thread: please don't discuss this until he gets his statement out. | ||
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winymure
United States7 Posts
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
On August 30 2012 02:48 RaGe wrote: You're being purposefully vague. If it would take you paragraphs to write, write them. People giving you 1500 dollars isn't something to take lightly, as is you bailing on your coaching obligations while taking the money. If anyone should realize you need to protect your reputation it's you, so refute this in a decent way or this community will have to sanction you in one way or another. You're right that it doesn't belong in your streaming thread though, so I expect you to make a blog explaining yourself to those that supported you (monetarily). To all others in this thread: please don't discuss this until he gets his statement out. Here you go. Now please calm down and we can all resolve this without acting like 5 year olds. Pretty disappointed about how this was handled by both sides... | ||
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winymure
United States7 Posts
Now this is where the video gets funny, he says, I tried to not be a dick and tell him there are no refunds.......However this is how he actually said it word for word on skype " [8/26/2012 7:40:17 AM] IM LS---Nick: i dont recall anywhere saying there is refunds, lol, i dont recall being apart of a sign organization or anything that gives refunds to hormonal 10 year olds that act like a fcking child". And Nick goes on further "i mean you still have 4hrs there is no where that outlines the quality of the lessons however".... Now before that here are some other messages from that same conversation from Saint Nicholas " [8/26/2012 7:39:12 AM] IM LS---Nick: do you think you even deserve lessons at this point? lol. My response "that or my money back". If you all notice I am still saying I want the "quality" lessons I paid for or a refund .. But his repsonse to my request for the refund or the actual lessons was--Saint Nicholas " oh no....well you can get lessons and they can be the worst in the world, if you like. I'll explain a marines dps, and how it moves etc"...My response "then give me my money back" And this conversation went on before that that's even better. He goes on to say it took me how long to get masters, and that I am a retard for not being overjoyed for being stood up by him all the time and so on (paraphrased here). Now all of you can decide, should he be allowed to advertise his coaching on TL if he refuses refunds in the manner I demonstrated above, with his name calling, and saying he will give me the worst lessons in the world? The guy is a liar and a thief, clearly it wasn't just my money he took. Don't believe a word he says. | ||
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
Additionally you can see how he takes days/weeks to respond to even a month, or just ignoring what I said. This is all pretty cute. + Show Spoiler + [4/24/2012 7:53:14 AM] John C: thanks for the file, please send those time stamps, i cant really practtice the match up without them [4/24/2012 7:53:23 AM] Nick: ok oo; [4/24/2012 9:57:27 AM] John C: there is no sound to the file you sent me, so it looks like i cant use that [4/24/2012 9:57:43 AM] John C: if you have anouther way of sending it that would be great [4/24/2012 9:58:13 AM] Nick: really no sound? o_o [4/24/2012 9:58:15 AM] Nick: wtf [4/24/2012 9:58:37 AM] John C: yea no sound [4/24/2012 9:58:50 AM] Nick: ;;;;; [4/24/2012 9:58:52 AM] Nick: ah fuck [4/24/2012 9:59:18 AM] John C: is there another way to send it? does it have sound on your end when you play it? [4/24/2012 9:59:28 AM] Nick: no it doesnt [4/24/2012 9:59:33 AM] Nick: the mic might've been muted [4/24/2012 9:59:34 AM] Nick: fuck [4/24/2012 9:59:34 AM] Nick: lol ~_~; [4/24/2012 9:59:45 AM] John C: oh well thhat sucks lol [4/24/2012 10:00:38 AM] John C: well send me those time stamps, cause that is all i will have to go off of at this point [4/24/2012 10:03:55 AM] Nick: ok [4/24/2012 10:04:45 AM] John C: Could you send them today? I really want to practice the match up [4/24/2012 10:18:05 AM] Nick: yes [4/24/2012 10:18:07 AM] Nick: after i stream oo; [4/24/2012 4:43:35 PM] John C: Nick, I am a little disappointed, you said you would send all that info right after our lesson like you do for everyone, and that was almost 3 days ago, and i have asked for the time stamps like 5-6 times now. I have decided I no longer want coaching, and will be asking for a refund of 100.00 for the remaining 4 lessons on pay pal today, in their dispute system. [4/24/2012 4:50:29 PM] Nick: hi [4/24/2012 4:50:33 PM] Nick: im out of the shower -_-; [4/24/2012 4:50:39 PM] Nick: i didnt slep lol [4/24/2012 4:51:00 PM] Nick: and no i dont send it right away ; usually i send it after everythings complete o_o [4/24/2012 4:51:44 PM] Nick: also i wasnt aware the video didnt record sound [4/24/2012 4:51:57 PM] Nick: because i didnt have the webcam enabled and the webcam is my microphone also [4/24/2012 4:52:51 PM] John C: you told me during the lesson you would send it right after the lesson, and i asked several times for the time stamps and you klept saying you would send them today or yesterday....the lesson was great, but since the recording messed up, which i not that bothered by, it is the long delay in getting the info you promised [4/24/2012 4:53:08 PM] Nick: i cant send messages offline lol and you were offline [4/24/2012 4:53:14 PM] Nick: i told you i'd send after i was done streaming etc before i slept [4/24/2012 4:53:19 PM] Nick: and i just got out of shower + back to computer [4/24/2012 4:53:27 PM] Nick: wasn't going to just go to sleep [4/24/2012 4:53:32 PM] Nick: i told you i'd write it out after i was done streaming [4/24/2012 4:53:40 PM] Nick: but if i didnt get in the shower then ; hanbin was going to [4/24/2012 4:53:50 PM] Nick: and im overtired so i plan to sleep after typing everything out [4/24/2012 4:54:14 PM] Nick: 5:45 - 4gate timing ; 6:05 scan (if you dont scout nexus) [4/24/2012 4:54:23 PM] Nick: 6:35 main scan (if nexus has been scouted, othewise natural scan) [4/24/2012 4:54:34 PM] Nick: 7:05 scanner sweep in main if nexus + followup tech has been scouted [4/24/2012 4:54:47 PM] Nick: 7:35 gases (3rd/4th gas timing) [4/24/2012 4:54:52 PM] Nick: 8:05 main scan [4/24/2012 4:54:57 PM] Nick: 8:35 army scan [4/24/2012 4:55:07 PM] Nick: 9:05~10:00 unit commitment scan [4/24/2012 4:55:21 PM] Nick: 12~14:00 is the beginning of their tech switch (colo to ht, ht to colo) [4/24/2012 4:55:34 PM] Nick: 16:00 is usually when it's fully functional. [4/24/2012 4:55:56 PM] Nick: if second gas is done before cybernectics is finished, it is usually dark templar or blink. [4/24/2012 4:55:59 PM] Nick: always scan at 6:25 in this case [4/24/2012 4:56:15 PM] Nick: if cyber core + second gas finish same time [4/24/2012 4:56:18 PM] Nick: its voidray [4/24/2012 4:56:20 PM] Nick: thats all the timestamps etc [4/24/2012 4:56:31 PM] Nick: now ive been up for almost 24hrs and need sleep really badly [4/24/2012 4:57:11 PM] John C: go ahead and send the info, and i will cancel the dispute....but i run a business and timing and commitments are very important to me, so if you say after a lesson or yes i will send it today and you dont that rubs me the wrong way, as it would most people......As i really like your coaching, and dont want things to be awkward, I am just lettting you know how i fee at this pointl, and you seem like a nice guy....have a good night and thank you for sending it [4/24/2012 4:58:12 PM] Nick: oh and remember 10:00 ghost academy is a general rule unless weird stuff happened. [4/24/2012 4:58:28 PM] John C: thank you [4/24/2012 5:00:21 PM] John C: Dispute is cancelled, let me know if anything still shows up, it should not though [4/26/2012 10:38:25 AM] John C: you know your stream went down right now? [4/26/2012 10:54:20 AM] Nick: ,,,? [4/27/2012 9:44:27 AM] John C: dont let the haters get to you [4/27/2012 9:46:46 AM] Nick: oh they dont [4/27/2012 9:46:46 AM] Nick: lol [4/27/2012 9:46:49 AM] Nick: i find it humorous [5/4/2012 11:44:55 PM] John C: I may need a lesson soon [5/4/2012 11:45:16 PM] John C: probably going over some replays of my games, where i am still lacking an understanding in the tvp match up [5/4/2012 11:45:28 PM] John C: for example, i do cc first into 6 rax [5/4/2012 11:45:38 PM] John C: the toss goes fast 3 nexus [5/4/2012 11:45:44 PM] John C: and easily holds off my push [5/4/2012 11:45:59 PM] John C: i look at it as, i should at lest do some dmg [5/4/2012 11:46:08 PM] John C: at least [5/4/2012 11:46:17 PM] John C: let me know when you have time [5/5/2012 9:08:43 AM] Nick: hi [5/5/2012 9:08:44 AM] Nick: sure [5/5/2012 9:08:46 AM] Nick: do you know my rates [5/6/2012 4:11:55 AM] John C: actually i already boought sessions from you, and still have 4 left, we already had 2 on the tvo match up [5/6/2012 8:00:52 AM] Nick: oh shit so sorry haha [5/6/2012 8:00:52 AM] Nick: rofl [5/6/2012 8:00:55 AM] Nick: i get flooded with these questions [5/6/2012 8:00:58 AM] Nick: so i just type that out LOL [5/6/2012 8:01:13 AM] Nick: and sometimes on my ipod and it just shows your photo (which is a black square) [5/6/2012 8:01:37 AM] Nick: and ok when do you want do the next ones? [5/12/2012 2:22:22 PM] John C: there is no sound on your stream right now [6/2/2012 11:52:44 AM] John C: try some kambucha tea, it helps me focus so good, and it is not caffiene focus [6/2/2012 11:52:55 AM] Nick: its not about [6/2/2012 11:52:57 AM] Nick: focusing [6/2/2012 11:52:59 AM] Nick: its i have a lot on my mind [6/2/2012 11:53:00 AM] Nick: so i cant play [6/2/2012 11:53:04 AM] Nick: + i never play bio [6/2/2012 11:54:46 AM] John C: well then i can only wish you well, stress mental or otherwise just takes time and maybe a break to realize whats good in life [6/2/2012 11:55:23 AM] Nick: has nothing to do with a break [6/2/2012 11:58:19 AM] John C: i meant take out 5-10 min out, focus on the good things you have take some deep breaths etc, it helps a lot to realize the good things... in either case i wish you well [6/13/2012 10:32:18 PM] John C: hey [6/13/2012 10:32:30 PM] John C: i would like to do some lessons on Protoss, if you coach them [6/13/2012 10:32:35 PM] John C: please let m eknow when you have time [6/13/2012 11:13:10 PM] Nick: yeah i coach protoss [6/13/2012 11:13:36 PM] John C: what times are good for you? [6/13/2012 11:14:07 PM] John C: and i am completely new to toss, so i have no idea how they play really except from my tvp experience [6/13/2012 11:21:29 PM] Nick: im busy tomorrow / saturday (sunday your time) [6/13/2012 11:21:29 PM] Nick: oo; [6/18/2012 9:03:39 AM] John C: are you still gonig to coach for a while if you leave sc2? [6/18/2012 9:05:33 AM] Nick: yes [6/18/2012 9:06:05 AM] John C: well sorry to see you go, you are a great player and good coach [6/18/2012 9:06:23 AM] Nick: im not good [6/18/2012 9:06:40 AM] Nick: sorry that illusion got constructred somewhere. [6/18/2012 9:07:43 AM] John C: its an illusion if only one person sees it.... clearly there are quite a few people who think you are good. [6/18/2012 9:08:24 AM] Nick: yes but they're wrong [6/18/2012 9:12:09 AM] John C: well in either case, i enjoy wwatching you, and learn a lot from you. I would like you to stay, but you should do what you feel is best. [6/18/2012 9:12:42 AM] Nick: i have to do [6/18/2012 9:12:46 AM] Nick: what will allow me to eat [6/18/2012 9:12:47 AM] Nick: and sleep [6/18/2012 9:12:53 AM] Nick: without causing more damage to my body [6/18/2012 9:14:18 AM] John C: i feel you there, and dont blame you at all. that's life sometimes, and a poker career can be a lot of fun. Good luck with it [7/2/2012 8:14:35 PM] John C: i need some toss coaching, let me know when you have time [7/2/2012 8:15:30 PM] Nick: toss oo;? [7/2/2012 8:15:34 PM] Nick: you could get ToD [7/2/2012 8:15:37 PM] Nick: for just some more $ [7/2/2012 8:15:54 PM] John C: naw man i want you, you are good [7/2/2012 8:16:27 PM] Nick: ToD is better [7/2/2012 8:16:28 PM] Nick: o_O [7/2/2012 8:16:42 PM] Nick: i mean i know alot about P but [7/2/2012 8:16:46 PM] Nick: he would be able to help you a lot more i think [7/2/2012 8:16:49 PM] Nick: he's best articulate P i know i think [7/2/2012 8:17:01 PM] John C: yea but i already have sessons with you, i dont want to spenf more money at the moment.... i just need the basics of toss [7/2/2012 8:17:08 PM] John C: i am noob with them [7/2/2012 8:17:42 PM] Nick: ah ok oo; [7/2/2012 8:17:42 PM] Nick: sure [7/2/2012 8:17:58 PM] John C: let me know when you have time [7/2/2012 8:22:54 PM] John C: do you have time today? [7/2/2012 8:23:10 PM] Nick: well i have to go out tonight, and ive already set out tiem for helping infernal [7/2/2012 8:23:13 PM] Nick: he's just having a short break [7/2/2012 8:23:26 PM] John C: ok, what days are good for you? [7/2/2012 8:23:40 PM] Nick: i can probably do wed or thurs my tiem [7/2/2012 8:24:12 PM] John C: you are 16 hours ahead, what times on wed or thurs day work? [7/2/2012 8:38:41 PM] Nick: hmm [7/2/2012 8:38:45 PM] Nick: usually like 1pm [7/2/2012 8:39:45 PM] John C: thats like 7 pm here, so that works i think [7/2/2012 8:39:56 PM] John C: is it 830 pm there now? [7/2/2012 8:47:03 PM] Nick: oo; [7/2/2012 8:47:38 PM] John C: i am old and dont know what that face face means,, lol [7/2/2012 8:47:47 PM] John C: so it is like 850 pm there now ? [7/2/2012 8:48:43 PM] Nick: its like 'ok' [7/2/2012 8:48:47 PM] Nick: or yes' [7/2/2012 8:48:52 PM] Nick: its 8:50 [7/2/2012 8:48:54 PM] John C: i c, thank you ok [7/2/2012 8:49:18 PM] John C: 1 pm your time on wednesday [7/2/2012 8:49:25 PM] John C: let me know if this works [7/2/2012 9:23:58 PM] John C: yes 1pm your tiome wednesday?| [7/2/2012 9:36:24 PM] Nick: ok [7/3/2012 9:28:33 AM] John C: would you mind telling me where i can find some build orders for protoss? [7/3/2012 9:28:45 AM] John C: that way i can get some practice in before our sessoin [7/3/2012 1:48:30 PM] Nick: hmm [7/3/2012 1:48:34 PM] Nick: i only know a few buidl orders [7/3/2012 1:48:39 PM] Nick: i wouldnt know where to get them outside of protoss replays [7/3/2012 1:48:52 PM] John C: could yoyu send me some in some form? [7/3/2012 1:49:00 PM] John C: i have no idea where to find them either [7/3/2012 1:49:07 PM] John C: replays work fine for me [7/3/2012 1:49:34 PM] Nick: http://gosugamers.net/starcraft2 [7/3/2012 1:49:38 PM] Nick: good place for replays [7/3/2012 1:53:19 PM] John C: thanks [7/3/2012 8:57:46 PM] John C: wow awesome game there [7/5/2012 12:54:24 PM] John C: can we do the lesson now or in the next hour? [7/6/2012 7:28:23 AM] John C: test [7/6/2012 7:29:19 AM] Nick: hi [7/6/2012 9:23:28 AM] John C: can you look at this and tell me wtf..... [7/6/2012 9:23:30 AM] *** John C sent tvp is so fucking stupid.SC2Replay *** [7/7/2012 10:55:59 PM] John C: do you have time for any lessons this weekend? [7/7/2012 10:56:52 PM] John C: please lket me know [7/7/2012 11:02:43 PM] Nick: uhhhhhhhhh [7/7/2012 11:02:45 PM] Nick: monday my time [7/7/2012 11:02:47 PM] Nick: sunday yours [7/7/2012 11:04:55 PM] John C: what time [7/7/2012 11:05:08 PM] John C: 1 pm your time again work? [7/9/2012 1:12:43 PM] John C: are you still available for the coaching session today [7/9/2012 1:12:57 PM] John C: i know we didnt set a time, but if you are available please let me know [7/9/2012 9:48:04 PM] Nick: hi [7/9/2012 10:40:22 PM] John C: hello [7/9/2012 10:57:45 PM] John C: i know we didnt set a time for the lesson but were you still up for it today? [7/9/2012 10:57:52 PM] John C: i am surprizingly still awake [7/9/2012 10:57:53 PM] John C:  [7/9/2012 11:39:38 PM] John C: ???? [7/9/2012 11:51:06 PM] Nick: hi oo; [7/9/2012 11:51:24 PM] John C: did you have tme today? [7/9/2012 11:51:36 PM] John C: i think you said that faces means "ok" [7/9/2012 11:54:06 PM] Nick: ;o [7/9/2012 11:54:07 PM] Nick: it means ive read what you;ve said / awaiting a response [7/9/2012 11:55:23 PM] John C: ok [7/9/2012 11:55:31 PM] John C: are you wating on a response from me? [7/9/2012 11:59:32 PM] Nick: well m on my laptop [7/9/2012 11:59:37 PM] Nick: i cant see if you wrote anything on my desktop [7/9/2012 11:59:37 PM] Nick: ;o [7/10/2012 12:00:10 AM] John C: can you see this? [7/10/2012 12:00:11 AM] John C: ????? [7/10/2012 12:00:14 AM] John C: test [7/10/2012 12:02:01 AM] Nick: yes [7/10/2012 12:02:24 AM] John C: ok, well just let me know when you have time [7/10/2012 12:02:40 AM] John C: i prefer we set a firm time so we dont keep missing each other [7/11/2012 12:27:03 AM] John C: Hey Nick, I know you have been really busy lately, but i would like to set a firm time for a lesson when you get a chance [7/11/2012 12:27:37 AM] John C: gl on the tsl [7/11/2012 12:30:18 AM] Nick: just throw random times at me [7/11/2012 12:30:20 AM] Nick: and i can confirm/deny [7/11/2012 12:30:22 AM] Nick: that i can do them [7/11/2012 12:30:23 AM] Nick: o_o [7/16/2012 4:46:39 AM] John C: ban; incontrolofweight [7/16/2012 4:46:48 AM] John C: ban this fuck, he is uber troll [7/16/2012 4:48:03 AM] John C: ban him [7/16/2012 4:48:18 AM] John C: [Monday, July 16, 2012 4:46 AM] John C: <<< ban; incontrolofweight [7/27/2012 3:53:57 PM] John C: [Friday, July 27, 2012 3:52 PM] John C: <<< do you have any high diamond, low masters students i can practice with? i need some consistent practice partners for our lessons to stick, its hard to know the in's and outs without one [7/31/2012 7:25:40 AM] John C: Hi Nick, I just wanted to let you know i am done with this game until hots comes out or Blizzard fucking realizes how stupid terrans are [7/31/2012 7:26:23 AM] John C: please keep my 4 lessons remaining somewhere, so that if i do decide this retarded fucking game is worth polaying again, then we can finish those lessons [7/31/2012 7:26:46 AM] John C: i can't just roll my face across the key board like protoss and zerg and win [7/31/2012 7:26:53 AM] John C: thanks [7/31/2012 8:40:39 AM] Nick: T_T [8/3/2012 3:46:25 PM] John C: i am done with this game, let me know if anyone owuld like to buy my last 4 lessons from me [8/3/2012 3:46:33 PM] John C: i will sell them for 25.00 a piece [8/3/2012 5:18:25 PM] Nick: ;;;;;;;;; [8/3/2012 5:18:28 PM] Nick: 100% done? why [8/3/2012 10:36:01 PM] John C: actually, can we do a lesson, i need you to look at some replays and tell me what the fuck i am doing so wrong [8/3/2012 10:36:17 PM] John C: but needless to say, losing a bunch in a row to bullshit sets me off [8/3/2012 10:36:26 PM] John C: i have calmed down now [8/4/2012 3:29:33 PM] John C: actually i am done, this game just is no fun at all for me anymore [8/4/2012 3:29:53 PM] John C: sorry for flip flopping but i tried giving it some time and another try [8/4/2012 3:29:59 PM] John C: but i just dont enjoy the game anymore [8/4/2012 3:30:13 PM] John C: let me know if anyone on your stream or anything would like to buy those from me More chat-logs where personal-dislike for me gets in the way+ Show Spoiler + [8/7/2012 12:52:55 AM] John C: polt vs mvp tonight!!!! [8/23/2012 5:39:51 PM] John C: I finally made master [8/23/2012 5:40:10 PM] Nick: nice [8/23/2012 5:40:10 PM] Nick: oo; [8/23/2012 5:40:17 PM] John C: ty [8/23/2012 9:15:58 PM] John C: i want my money back for coaching [8/23/2012 9:16:01 PM] John C: 100.00 [8/23/2012 9:16:28 PM] Nick: first its [8/23/2012 9:16:30 PM] Nick: reschedule [8/23/2012 9:16:32 PM] Nick: then its keep it [8/23/2012 9:16:36 PM] Nick: now its you want it back [8/23/2012 9:16:37 PM] Nick: lol [8/23/2012 9:17:52 PM] John C: every time i try and schedule you dont show or dont have time to schedule [8/23/2012 9:18:04 PM] John C: and you act like a prick, and it rubs me the wrong way [8/23/2012 9:18:18 PM] Nick: i act like [8/23/2012 9:18:19 PM] Nick: a prick? [8/23/2012 9:18:19 PM] Nick: lol [8/23/2012 9:18:22 PM] Nick: you realize im practicing [8/23/2012 9:18:24 PM] Nick: like 16hrs a day [8/23/2012 9:18:28 PM] Nick: to keep my life afloat [8/23/2012 9:18:30 PM] Nick: cuz i have offers [8/23/2012 9:18:31 PM] Nick: in place [8/23/2012 9:18:31 PM] Nick: for LoL? [8/23/2012 9:18:38 PM] Nick: im alt-tabing to respond [8/23/2012 9:18:40 PM] Nick: and im on 'busy' on skype [8/23/2012 9:18:43 PM] Nick: with 10-15messages [8/23/2012 9:18:45 PM] Nick: going on at once [8/23/2012 9:18:47 PM] Nick: i dont always see stuff [8/23/2012 9:19:00 PM] Nick: i just did 2 lessons [8/23/2012 9:19:00 PM] Nick: last week [8/24/2012 12:42:58 AM] Nick: early sunday morning [8/24/2012 12:42:59 AM] Nick: is fine [8/24/2012 10:16:44 AM] John C: sunday at 10am your time, works for me [8/24/2012 10:16:50 AM] John C: please confirm [8/26/2012 9:03:29 AM] John C: still meeting in an hour correct? [8/26/2012 9:18:42 AM] John C: ...... [8/26/2012 10:00:33 AM] John C: ??? [8/26/2012 10:07:29 AM] John C: This is what I mean.... Where are you [8/26/2012 4:03:38 PM] Nick: hi i just woke up [8/26/2012 4:04:00 PM] Nick: i said sunday morning, and i always specify the other persons timezones (like i did in the past) [8/26/2012 4:04:03 PM] Nick: unless otherwise stated [8/26/2012 5:45:54 PM] John C: Then you should respond by saying that or confirming a time......... so then what about today? [8/26/2012 7:49:13 PM] John C: ........... [8/26/2012 9:46:57 PM] John C: ??? [8/26/2012 9:52:28 PM] John C: So what this morning can you do the lesson? [8/26/2012 10:41:43 PM] John C: This is what I mean, you say sunday morning on Thursday night, I ask you to confirm a time then, and you dont respond for 3 days [8/26/2012 10:41:56 PM] John C: and now its sunday morning and you are no where to be seen [8/26/2012 10:42:20 PM] John C: i can't section out time or message you like 30 times in hopes of a response [8/26/2012 10:44:12 PM] John C: i will make contact with your team, and ask if they can resolve this, because you simply act un professional. I paid for lessons and can't get them because you have no idea how to be professional and fulfill that obligation. I can't sit around all day and hope you fucking find it in your heart to give me a response [8/26/2012 11:19:12 PM] Nick: team? [8/26/2012 11:19:13 PM] Nick: what team [8/26/2012 11:19:14 PM] Nick: lol [8/26/2012 11:19:16 PM] Nick: i just got on [8/26/2012 11:19:22 PM] Nick: its 7:19am your time [8/26/2012 11:19:25 PM] Nick: its barely morning [8/26/2012 11:19:30 PM] Nick: you want to come at me hard with walls of texts [8/26/2012 11:19:33 PM] Nick: when you have mood swings [8/26/2012 11:19:41 PM] John C: dude,m you nmever fucking repsond [8/26/2012 11:19:42 PM] Nick: about 'no' 'yes' 'no ' 'nevermind' 'sell it' [8/26/2012 11:19:43 PM] Nick: etc [8/26/2012 11:19:45 PM] John C: never respond [8/26/2012 11:19:47 PM] Nick: i do respond [8/26/2012 11:19:48 PM] John C: really [8/26/2012 11:19:50 PM] John C: 3 days [8/26/2012 11:19:54 PM] John C: no confirmation [8/26/2012 11:19:54 PM] Nick: 3days [8/26/2012 11:19:54 PM] Nick: its been [8/26/2012 11:19:55 PM] Nick: 1.5 [8/26/2012 11:19:59 PM] John C: thursday night [8/26/2012 11:20:02 PM] John C: to this morning [8/26/2012 11:20:05 PM] John C: 3 days [8/26/2012 11:20:15 PM] Nick: depends how [8/26/2012 11:20:18 PM] Nick: you translate the timezones [8/26/2012 11:20:21 PM] Nick: its been [8/26/2012 11:20:21 PM] Nick: 2 [8/26/2012 11:20:23 PM] Nick: technically [8/26/2012 11:20:40 PM] John C: no it doesnt, thursday night, your time, and now it is sundy night your time [8/26/2012 11:20:43 PM] Nick: it wasnt [8/26/2012 11:20:45 PM] Nick: thursday night [8/26/2012 11:20:45 PM] Nick: my time [8/26/2012 11:20:47 PM] Nick: it was friday my time [8/26/2012 11:20:56 PM] Nick: its irrelevant [8/26/2012 11:21:02 PM] Nick: you have moodswings about not wanting coaching [8/26/2012 11:21:03 PM] Nick: then wanting coaching Chat-log with some insulting, etc: + Show Spoiler + [8/26/2012 5:45:54 PM] John C: Then you should respond by saying that or confirming a time......... so then what about today? [8/26/2012 7:49:13 PM] John C: ........... [8/26/2012 9:46:57 PM] John C: ??? [8/26/2012 9:52:28 PM] John C: So what this morning can you do the lesson? [8/26/2012 10:41:43 PM] John C: This is what I mean, you say sunday morning on Thursday night, I ask you to confirm a time then, and you dont respond for 3 days [8/26/2012 10:41:56 PM] John C: and now its sunday morning and you are no where to be seen [8/26/2012 10:42:20 PM] John C: i can't section out time or message you like 30 times in hopes of a response [8/26/2012 10:44:12 PM] John C: i will make contact with your team, and ask if they can resolve this, because you simply act un professional. I paid for lessons and can't get them because you have no idea how to be professional and fulfill that obligation. I can't sit around all day and hope you fucking find it in your heart to give me a response [8/26/2012 11:19:12 PM] Nick: team? [8/26/2012 11:19:13 PM] Nick: what team [8/26/2012 11:19:14 PM] Nick: lol [8/26/2012 11:19:16 PM] Nick: i just got on [8/26/2012 11:19:22 PM] Nick: its 7:19am your time [8/26/2012 11:19:25 PM] Nick: its barely morning [8/26/2012 11:19:30 PM] Nick: you want to come at me hard with walls of texts [8/26/2012 11:19:33 PM] Nick: when you have mood swings [8/26/2012 11:19:41 PM] John C: dude,m you nmever fucking repsond [8/26/2012 11:19:42 PM] Nick: about 'no' 'yes' 'no ' 'nevermind' 'sell it' [8/26/2012 11:19:43 PM] Nick: etc [8/26/2012 11:19:45 PM] John C: never respond [8/26/2012 11:19:47 PM] Nick: i do respond [8/26/2012 11:19:48 PM] John C: really [8/26/2012 11:19:50 PM] John C: 3 days [8/26/2012 11:19:54 PM] John C: no confirmation [8/26/2012 11:19:54 PM] Nick: 3days [8/26/2012 11:19:54 PM] Nick: its been [8/26/2012 11:19:55 PM] Nick: 1.5 [8/26/2012 11:19:59 PM] John C: thursday night [8/26/2012 11:20:02 PM] John C: to this morning [8/26/2012 11:20:05 PM] John C: 3 days [8/26/2012 11:20:15 PM] Nick: depends how [8/26/2012 11:20:18 PM] Nick: you translate the timezones [8/26/2012 11:20:21 PM] Nick: its been [8/26/2012 11:20:21 PM] Nick: 2 [8/26/2012 11:20:23 PM] Nick: technically [8/26/2012 11:20:40 PM] John C: no it doesnt, thursday night, your time, and now it is sundy night your time [8/26/2012 11:20:43 PM] Nick: it wasnt [8/26/2012 11:20:45 PM] Nick: thursday night [8/26/2012 11:20:45 PM] Nick: my time [8/26/2012 11:20:47 PM] Nick: it was friday my time [8/26/2012 11:20:56 PM] Nick: its irrelevant [8/26/2012 11:21:02 PM] Nick: you have moodswings about not wanting coaching [8/26/2012 11:21:03 PM] Nick: then wanting coaching [8/26/2012 11:21:04 PM] John C: [Friday, August 24, 2012 12:43 AM] Nick: <<< early sunday morning is fine [8/26/2012 11:21:06 PM] Nick: then not wanting coaching [8/26/2012 11:21:06 PM] Nick: etc [8/26/2012 11:21:16 PM] Nick: you dont even [8/26/2012 11:21:18 PM] Nick: know me enough [8/26/2012 11:21:20 PM] Nick: to know i dont have a team [8/26/2012 11:21:22 PM] Nick: and i havent [8/26/2012 11:21:23 PM] Nick: for 9months [8/26/2012 11:21:25 PM] Nick: like honestly? [8/26/2012 11:21:25 PM] Nick: lol [8/26/2012 11:21:30 PM] Nick: you want to badger me [8/26/2012 11:21:31 PM] Nick: about life [8/26/2012 11:21:33 PM] Nick: when you have moodswings [8/26/2012 11:21:35 PM] Nick: like a 10yr old [8/26/2012 11:21:38 PM] Nick: changing your mind [8/26/2012 11:21:39 PM] Nick: every week [8/26/2012 11:21:42 PM] John C: all i wanted are the lessons [8/26/2012 11:21:42 PM] Nick: when you fail to contact me [8/26/2012 11:21:46 PM] Nick: thats wonderful [8/26/2012 11:21:48 PM] Nick: its not my obligation [8/26/2012 11:21:49 PM] John C: and you never confirm a time [8/26/2012 11:21:49 PM] Nick: to contact you [8/26/2012 11:21:54 PM] Nick: no coach EVER has that obligation [8/26/2012 11:22:04 PM] John C: really, how am i supposed to get coahing [8/26/2012 11:22:12 PM] John C: just randoml;ly hope you have time [8/26/2012 11:22:22 PM] John C: i paid you money for a service [8/26/2012 11:22:50 PM] John C: and you simply can't do it, either you dont want to or are too busy, either way doesnt matter [8/26/2012 11:23:02 PM] Nick: correct you paid for a service not an object [8/26/2012 11:23:12 PM] Nick: you badger me now [8/26/2012 11:23:13 PM] Nick: for days [8/26/2012 11:23:17 PM] Nick: after being hormonal [8/26/2012 11:23:17 PM] John C: no shit you fucking moron, and if you never perform the servicce [8/26/2012 11:23:19 PM] Nick: like a teenage [8/26/2012 11:23:20 PM] Nick: teenager [8/26/2012 11:23:22 PM] Nick: lol [8/26/2012 11:23:23 PM] Nick: moron? [8/26/2012 11:23:30 PM] Nick: and you're the one that just got master [8/26/2012 11:23:34 PM] Nick: after how many years of playing? [8/26/2012 11:23:46 PM] Nick: you think [8/26/2012 11:23:47 PM] Nick: im even [8/26/2012 11:23:52 PM] Nick: obligated to coach yo [8/26/2012 11:23:53 PM] Nick: anymore [8/26/2012 11:23:55 PM] John C: keep changin the subject, if you dont want to give me my money back [8/26/2012 11:23:55 PM] Nick: after the shit you say [8/26/2012 11:23:58 PM] Nick: and your moodswings? [8/26/2012 11:24:02 PM] Nick: nah [8/26/2012 11:24:04 PM] Nick: its not about that [8/26/2012 11:24:07 PM] Nick: you dont insult someone [8/26/2012 11:24:07 PM] John C: i will make suree TL knows, any team you join knows [8/26/2012 11:24:08 PM] Nick: act like a 10yr old [8/26/2012 11:24:10 PM] Nick: and cry [8/26/2012 11:24:12 PM] Nick: yeah [8/26/2012 11:24:12 PM] Nick: go ahead [8/26/2012 11:24:14 PM] Nick: and ill explain [8/26/2012 11:24:15 PM] Nick: the situation [8/26/2012 11:24:19 PM] Nick: you'll look like a fucking [8/26/2012 11:24:19 PM] Nick: retard [8/26/2012 11:24:24 PM] Nick: how many times do you think this happens [8/26/2012 11:24:25 PM] Nick: with other coaches [8/26/2012 11:24:30 PM] John C: explain what, i am asking for my moeny back [8/26/2012 11:24:31 PM] Nick: it happens alot [8/26/2012 11:24:32 PM] Nick: yeah [8/26/2012 11:24:34 PM] Nick: your money back [8/26/2012 11:24:34 PM] John C: and you wont give it [8/26/2012 11:24:36 PM] Nick: for a service [8/26/2012 11:24:38 PM] Nick: nah [8/26/2012 11:24:39 PM] Nick: you paid for [8/26/2012 11:24:40 PM] Nick: hours [8/26/2012 11:24:43 PM] Nick: you didnt pay for [8/26/2012 11:24:45 PM] Nick: an object [8/26/2012 11:24:45 PM] John C: that your never gave me [8/26/2012 11:24:47 PM] Nick: you also [8/26/2012 11:24:48 PM] Nick: then told me [8/26/2012 11:24:50 PM] Nick: to keep the money [8/26/2012 11:24:52 PM] Nick: then to sell it [8/26/2012 11:24:53 PM] Nick: etc [8/26/2012 11:24:56 PM] John C: you never gave me the 4 remainf lessons [8/26/2012 11:25:00 PM] Nick: because you [8/26/2012 11:25:02 PM] Nick: disappear [8/26/2012 11:25:02 PM] Nick: for [8/26/2012 11:25:04 PM] Nick: god knows how long [8/26/2012 11:25:07 PM] Nick: then randomly come back [8/26/2012 11:25:09 PM] Nick: then you tell me you quit [8/26/2012 11:25:12 PM] Nick: and to keep the money [8/26/2012 11:25:13 PM] Nick: etc [8/26/2012 11:25:15 PM] Nick: like grow the fuck up [8/26/2012 11:25:23 PM] John C: i ask you like 3 times a week, you say this weekend then dont ever confirm a time [8/26/2012 11:25:28 PM] Nick: clearly [8/26/2012 11:25:29 PM] Nick: it is morning [8/26/2012 11:25:30 PM] Nick: your time [8/26/2012 11:25:31 PM] Nick: is it not [8/26/2012 11:25:40 PM] John C: grown ups have schedules and fulfill their busniess deals [8/26/2012 11:25:42 PM] Nick: we would've [8/26/2012 11:25:46 PM] Nick: lol [8/26/2012 11:25:47 PM] Nick: no [8/26/2012 11:25:48 PM] Nick: not all jobs [8/26/2012 11:25:52 PM] Nick: have schedules [8/26/2012 11:26:04 PM] John C: dont give me that shit, i am not stupid, it took you a week just to send time stamps you said you would have sent the same day [8/26/2012 11:26:10 PM] Nick: ? [8/26/2012 11:26:13 PM] Nick: oh you mean [8/26/2012 11:26:14 PM] Nick: because i had [8/26/2012 11:26:14 PM] John C: fact is, the only time you resond is when i threat [8/26/2012 11:26:16 PM] Nick: a life problem [8/26/2012 11:26:17 PM] Nick: with MVP? [8/26/2012 11:26:19 PM] Nick: nah [8/26/2012 11:26:20 PM] John C: check the lof [8/26/2012 11:26:20 PM] Nick: i dont respond [8/26/2012 11:26:23 PM] Nick: when you "threat" [8/26/2012 11:26:24 PM] John C: log [8/26/2012 11:26:24 PM] Nick: cuz [8/26/2012 11:26:26 PM] Nick: your threats are dry It's my mistake to not specify a time Sunday morning in this latest chat log, yes, but again, as the person trying to obtain the service he doesn't message me the day before to confirm (in a 2day time period) or make any efforts just like in the past, when I've made it publically known that in Korea, I'm not always around/etc, and this can be seen in the earlier chat-logs. Hope people read this in full, we then go on to get pretty aggressive in chat, I drag him into a call with my manager where he insults me IRL/etc and thus I respond accordingly. A person acting like this, lying like this, and ultimately just acting like a child etc I outright didn't want to even continue to give the lessons to (this was the "4th" case in the video). After hourly debate with my manager (who again handles most of my online calendar-esque stuff and as of late some coaching stuff/website stuff), I told the guy to wait until I return to SC2 (HOTS-beta) and that I would give him the last lessons in a few weeks (9-17~9.20 range) as that would allow me to refamiliarize myself with the meta/current builds/etc, and also for us both to "calm down" in a sense since we clearly we not getting along at this point. [edit removed due to a request from the third-person involved as the possibility of a skype error) EDIT - Split up the dates rather than one long chat-log from skype so it's easier to see the disappearances/easier to read. | ||
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