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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: The 2v2 rankings over the past 2-3 seasons (at the very least) rarely show him near the top, and plenty of other consistent, better players have been ahead of him for months now. I see, thanks! | ||
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PesteNoire
151 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: The 2v2 rankings over the past 2-3 seasons (at the very least) rarely show him near the top, and plenty of other consistent, better players have been ahead of him for months now. Both in 2v2 RT and AT. Baz, Bubbles, Paragon, Mystik, various Ai/ Demos/ RavenZ clan members, etc. It might be because ProTech hasn't been grinding out 2v2 as seriously as he used to (e.g., he's also trying to become a better 1v1 player), but that's obviously going to take a toll on how he fares against the current best 2v2 players. And clearly it's fine for him to do other things, but then he can't really be advertised as the premier 2v2 player like he used to be a long time ago. He's definitely still a great 2v2 player; there's no doubt about that. And I'm sure those who are his fans are upset with the whole oscillation of him being featured then unfeatured, back and forth. But I'm just not sure how much help it's going to be for new people to make a TL account just to sling mud on TL's decision to unfeature him. EDIT: For the record, I don't think a requirement to get featured is to actually be the best either. There are criteria outlined in the relevant threads. You are actually way wrong. Protech actually got to number 1 2v2 RT on KOREAN server. He is better than all those players listed, he swtiches accounts so often its hard to tell which ones are his. Mystik, bubbles, etc.. those guys only play arranged teams, protech only play Random teams.. He is the best 2v2 random teamer by a mile. Its not even debatable. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45368 Posts
On January 22 2014 06:26 PesteNoire wrote: You are actually way wrong. Protech actually got to number 1 2v2 RT on KOREAN server. He is better than all those players listed, he swtiches accounts so often its hard to tell which ones are his. Mystik, bubbles, etc.. those guys only play arranged teams, protech only play Random teams.. He is the best 2v2 random teamer by a mile. Its not even debatable. He's not even on page one on either of these: http://www.sc2ranks.com/hots/global/2v2t/all/all http://www.sc2ranks.com/hots/global/2v2r/all/all And last season he wasn't near the top 10 (or 20?), let alone #1. And as you can see, plenty of the listed people play RT as well as AT above him. Sorry, but he hasn't been at the top for a while now. I don't want to muck up his stream thread with any more negativity, so I'll stop involving myself in the conversation. I hope his featuring/ unfeaturing becomes more consistent, by whatever metrics are being used for that decision. It's pretty cool that a non-1v1 player has so many followers. | ||
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PesteNoire
151 Posts
On January 22 2014 06:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: He's not even on page one on either of these: http://www.sc2ranks.com/hots/global/2v2t/all/all http://www.sc2ranks.com/hots/global/2v2r/all/all And last season he wasn't near the top 10 (or 20?), let alone #1. And as you can see, plenty of the listed people play RT as well as AT above him. Sorry, but he hasn't been at the top for a while now. I don't want to muck up his stream thread with any more negativity, so I'll stop involving myself in the conversation. I hope his featuring/ unfeaturing becomes more consistent, by whatever metrics are being used for that decision. It's pretty cool that a non-1v1 player has so many followers. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Protech has only been mostly playing on barcodes and on korean server these days. http://www.sc2ranks.com/hots/fea/2v2r/master/all oh look, there is protech, on a barcode, number one on the korean server. For proof that account is his, you see the last game played on it was 1/09/14.. so going back on his VODs, to that date, here is him playing on it. http://www.twitch.tv/protech/b/493760026 But I already knew it was his because I actually watched his stream when he got number one. You probably have never watched his stream other than turning it on for 5 minutes one time. Any more questions? | ||
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XllX
Germany23 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: The 2v2 rankings over the past 2-3 seasons (at the very least) rarely show him near the top, and plenty of other consistent, better players have been ahead of him for months now. Both in 2v2 RT and AT. Baz, Bubbles, Paragon, Mystik, various Ai/ Demos/ RavenZ clan members, etc. On January 22 2014 06:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: He's not even on page one on either of these: http://www.sc2ranks.com/hots/global/2v2t/all/all http://www.sc2ranks.com/hots/global/2v2r/all/all And last season he wasn't near the top 10 (or 20?), let alone #1. And as you can see, plenty of the listed people play RT as well as AT above him. Sorry, but he hasn't been at the top for a while now. I don't want to muck up his stream thread with any more negativity, so I'll stop involving myself in the conversation. I hope his featuring/ unfeaturing becomes more consistent, by whatever metrics are being used for that decision. It's pretty cool that a non-1v1 player has so many followers. If you actually played or watched 2v2 (or, if you do, were less biased against ProTech), you wouldn't even mention arranged teams (AT), since playing as a somewhat decent arranged team is a gigantic advantage over playing random team (RT). ProTech basically only plays RT these days. Why is ProTech so often not prominent the ladder point list in RT? This is because he rarely uses his/a main account for laddering. His mmr is so high, that queue times are around 20-30 minutes (I have witnessed his queue time going up to an hour once), as the matchmaking system looks to no avail for similarly high rated accounts to match him against. ProTech only needs to use an account for 1-2 days to make its mmr reach a level where queue times become ridiculously long. To avoid these for a streamer unfeasible queue times, ProTech mostly plays on viewer accounts, finding games much faster. On top of the horrendous queue times, stream sniping and stream cheating are rampant when he uses his/a main account. Stream cheating ProTech seems to be a sport for some. CombatEX and Deezer sniping Destiny and Incontrol back in the day is nothing in comparison. So, playing on his/a main account, he has the choice between facing stream cheaters 30-40% of the games and having a 5 minute stream delay, the latter of which impairs the viewer experience, since it eliminates stream interaction for the most part. Usually, ProTech doesn't try to rank up an account in ladder points until roughly the last week of a season. During last season, he mostly laddered on the Korean server, where he did manage to end the season ranked #1 (despite the lag playing from North America!). The "plenty of other consistent, better players" outright don't exist. Most of the ones you mention are vastly inferior. Baz is legitimately good and two seasons or so ago he and ProTech went head to head on NA ladder. And maybe Mystik, but he doesn't really play much at all. | ||
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vNmMasterT
68 Posts
On January 22 2014 03:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: The 2v2 rankings over the past 2-3 seasons (at the very least) rarely show him near the top, and plenty of other consistent, better players have been ahead of him for months now. Both in 2v2 RT and AT. Baz, Bubbles, Paragon, Mystik, various Ai/ Demos/ RavenZ clan members, etc. It might be because ProTech hasn't been grinding out 2v2 as seriously as he used to (e.g., he's also trying to become a better 1v1 player), but that's obviously going to take a toll on how he fares against the current best 2v2 players. And clearly it's fine for him to do other things, but then he can't really be advertised as the premier 2v2 player like he used to be a long time ago. He's definitely still a great 2v2 player; there's no doubt about that. And I'm sure those who are his fans are upset with the whole oscillation of him being featured then unfeatured, back and forth. But I'm just not sure how much help it's going to be for new people to make a TL account just to sling mud on TL's decision to unfeature him. EDIT: For the record, I don't think a requirement to get featured is to actually be the best either. There are criteria outlined in the relevant threads. Paragon aka StellarMango aka your maphacking little brother? | ||
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ProTech
United States443 Posts
On January 22 2014 06:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: He's not even on page one on either of these: http://www.sc2ranks.com/hots/global/2v2t/all/all http://www.sc2ranks.com/hots/global/2v2r/all/all And last season he wasn't near the top 10 (or 20?), let alone #1. And as you can see, plenty of the listed people play RT as well as AT above him. Sorry, but he hasn't been at the top for a while now. I don't want to muck up his stream thread with any more negativity, so I'll stop involving myself in the conversation. I hope his featuring/ unfeaturing becomes more consistent, by whatever metrics are being used for that decision. It's pretty cool that a non-1v1 player has so many followers. Screenshots / vods provided being top ranked. Why do people make themselves looks like idiots, when the proof is there? My stream was defeatured from racial chat / homophobic chat / transgender chat. Which you can find on plenty of featured streams on this website. Has nothing to do with my achievements or anything else. I have achieved all you can achieve in 2v2. People who hate my stream got the better of my stream, reported for content they didn't like ( even though it clearly states inappropriate content on both TL and twitch.tv ) and so it got removed. My viewer numbers are there, my skill is there. The drama is what defeatured me. Frankly, I don't care I don't need TL.net to get viewers. But what they did is wrong and obviously they play favorites here. | ||
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
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Comadevil
Germany214 Posts
TL can give a boost to a streamer who was not featured before (or for a long time like Avilo) and so some people, who never or seldom look into the non-featured section,will discover someone. But i guess the majority of regular TL visitors who are interested in watching streams have seen ProTech already and made their opinion up if they want to watch him or not | ||
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iverysmiles
12 Posts
As a lot of you know, for about 6 months now, Protech has been struggling with a debilitating wisdom teeth condition. Whatever controversy has surrounded it, one thing is for certain, he has a serious condition that needs to be addressed. For the procedure he needs $1700. The fact that he has been bearing this pain specifically to CONSTANTLY GIVE VIEWERS CONTENT shows just how committed he is to the community. Now, to head off any people say that protech gets money blah blah blah, well guess what? In the real world people have BILLS to pay. Not everyone can just go out and pay $1700 out of pocket! He has been averaging about $2000-3000 a month in just donations which is classified as LOW INCOME. Anyone who has watched streams for awhile KNOWS that the ad revenue is GARBAGE! As he has said it is laughable at around $300 a month! Protech has averaged around 165 subscribers and has now gotten up to 200. Before you say wow, that's another $1000 a month, you need to THINK and realize that Twitch takes HALF of that money! He only sees an extra $500 a month from that $1000! He has said very specifically that he spends all his money on putting a roof over his head and money in his belly. Anything left over he uses to pay his bills. He doesn't waste it on drugs or any crap like that. If we are going to pull together as a community and get this guy enough money to get past his monthly bills, I feel like we could do that if he were up to around $5,000 a month. If he is breaking even now, then he should be able to get his MUCH NEEDED operation at that level. A lot of people talk a lot about the community and helping out, but I bet a lot of people watch his stream and don't donate or subscribe and probably even use adblock. I agree with Protech, he has been doing this for FOUR YEARS and makes a pittance compared to what other streamers make. He's said he really deserves that kind of success and income but he has continued streaming despite not getting what he is worth. $5 or $10 is probably the price of a movie or a beer, so time to man up people! Oh and to make matters worse, he just lost his No Scope sponsorship after less than one day. They cited "racist and discriminatory" behavior on his chat. Total BS, anyone who has seen his stream knows that he has never said or done anything like that! Just like he said, go look through ALL his vods, you won't find anything like that at all! Just more garbage perpetuated by people. | ||
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Gaskal
Canada241 Posts
If you want to ask for help this isn't how you go about doing it. You already started a thread over this issue that a mod closed. Heck, you associated forking over some cash with "manning up". I mean, really? He's also a 2v2 streamer, which is a niche fan following compared to the rest of competitive SC2. So you can't always expect the viewership of 1v1. They cited "racist and discriminatory" behavior on his chat. Total BS, anyone who has seen his stream knows that he has never said or done anything like that Lol laying it on a bit thick aren't you http://imgur.com/m0o3ttg TL defeatures his stream because of it and now you're telling me his sponsors dropped his sponsorship because of it. So obviously attitude seems to be an issue. | ||
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iverysmiles
12 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45368 Posts
On August 23 2014 08:38 iverysmiles wrote: Community was really supportive of Total biscuit when he got sick, he's a good guy and all, but Protech has literally provided 100+ times more content than TB. As a lot of you know, for about 6 months now, Protech has been struggling with a debilitating wisdom teeth condition. Whatever controversy has surrounded it, one thing is for certain, he has a serious condition that needs to be addressed. For the procedure he needs $1700. The fact that he has been bearing this pain specifically to CONSTANTLY GIVE VIEWERS CONTENT shows just how committed he is to the community. Now, to head off any people say that protech gets money blah blah blah, well guess what? In the real world people have BILLS to pay. Not everyone can just go out and pay $1700 out of pocket! He has been averaging about $2000-3000 a month in just donations which is classified as LOW INCOME. Anyone who has watched streams for awhile KNOWS that the ad revenue is GARBAGE! As he has said it is laughable at around $300 a month! Protech has averaged around 165 subscribers and has now gotten up to 200. Before you say wow, that's another $1000 a month, you need to THINK and realize that Twitch takes HALF of that money! He only sees an extra $500 a month from that $1000! He has said very specifically that he spends all his money on putting a roof over his head and money in his belly. Anything left over he uses to pay his bills. He doesn't waste it on drugs or any crap like that. If we are going to pull together as a community and get this guy enough money to get past his monthly bills, I feel like we could do that if he were up to around $5,000 a month. If he is breaking even now, then he should be able to get his MUCH NEEDED operation at that level. A lot of people talk a lot about the community and helping out, but I bet a lot of people watch his stream and don't donate or subscribe and probably even use adblock. I agree with Protech, he has been doing this for FOUR YEARS and makes a pittance compared to what other streamers make. He's said he really deserves that kind of success and income but he has continued streaming despite not getting what he is worth. $5 or $10 is probably the price of a movie or a beer, so time to man up people! Oh and to make matters worse, he just lost his No Scope sponsorship after less than one day. They cited "racist and discriminatory" behavior on his chat. Total BS, anyone who has seen his stream knows that he has never said or done anything like that! Just like he said, go look through ALL his vods, you won't find anything like that at all! Just more garbage perpetuated by people. You're comparing TotalBiscuit's cancer to ProTech's wisdom teeth? I don't know much about the latter problem (as you didn't go into any detail), but to downplay TB's situation (and then make up the absurd notion that ProTech "has literally provided 100+ times more content than TB", which exactly zero educated people from this community will agree with you on) is despicable. I'm all for ProTech starting some sort of kickstarter or charity fund or whatever if he wants to try and receive more community support (and he seems to have enough of a following that he'll probably make some money that he may need), but you starting off your rant by downplaying other community members' situations and then trying to guilt trip us into donating by saying that ProTech's job-of-choice doesn't pay super well, is not the way to go about this problem. I wish ProTech good health and a safe recovery from whatever his medical issue is. If he does have a serious issue that he believes deserves community support, I hope that he explains his situation in a much less aggressive manner than you have. EDIT: Also, it doesn't help to full-out lie and say that ProTech doesn't act in a racist or discriminatory manner, especially when people dump screen shots of him doing exactly that all the time (e.g., two posts ago). Instead, you might not want to mention anything related to his bigotry when looking to garner support from the community, and just focus on his medical issue. | ||
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sc2fanboi
United States2 Posts
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Gaskal
Canada241 Posts
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vNmMasterT
68 Posts
On August 24 2014 20:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: You're comparing TotalBiscuit's cancer to ProTech's wisdom teeth? I don't know much about the latter problem (as you didn't go into any detail), but to downplay TB's situation (and then make up the absurd notion that ProTech "has literally provided 100+ times more content than TB", which exactly zero educated people from this community will agree with you on) is despicable. I'm all for ProTech starting some sort of kickstarter or charity fund or whatever if he wants to try and receive more community support (and he seems to have enough of a following that he'll probably make some money that he may need), but you starting off your rant by downplaying other community members' situations and then trying to guilt trip us into donating by saying that ProTech's job-of-choice doesn't pay super well, is not the way to go about this problem. I wish ProTech good health and a safe recovery from whatever his medical issue is. If he does have a serious issue that he believes deserves community support, I hope that he explains his situation in a much less aggressive manner than you have. EDIT: Also, it doesn't help to full-out lie and say that ProTech doesn't act in a racist or discriminatory manner, especially when people dump screen shots of him doing exactly that all the time (e.g., two posts ago). Instead, you might not want to mention anything related to his bigotry when looking to garner support from the community, and just focus on his medical issue. Hey, when are you gonna tell your little brother Jason Mango aka StellarMango aka Paragon to stop hacking? His twitch just got banned I heard. You always seem to be on the moral high ground, why do you have such a scum of a little brother? | ||
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Gaskal
Canada241 Posts
On September 17 2014 01:51 vNmMasterT wrote: Hey, when are you gonna tell your little brother Jason Mango aka StellarMango aka Paragon to stop hacking? His twitch just got banned I heard. You always seem to be on the moral high ground, why do you have such a scum of a little brother? So absolutely nothing to do with Protech's medical condition nor addressed what DPB said, what a waste of a post... If PT fans weren't such douchebags maybe he'd actually have a better reputation... | ||
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vNmMasterT
68 Posts
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Gaskal
Canada241 Posts
On September 17 2014 02:43 vNmMasterT wrote: I don't see how Protech's medical condition has anything to do with him either. If he had so much time stalking this thread and being a "good guy" (just look at the huge posts here in this thread) then he has time to teach his little brother not to be a scumbag. Such saltiness | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45368 Posts
On September 17 2014 01:51 vNmMasterT wrote: You always seem to be on the moral high ground Thank you for your kind words; I appreciate you seeing me as a role model and one who always takes the moral high ground. Maybe you see something in myself that I don't, but you've inspired me to continue being the best person I possibly can! That being said, this stream should be about ProTech, so please feel free to PM me if you would like to pay me any other compliments!  + Show Spoiler + My brother's Twitch did not get banned because of hacking. If you want to discuss anything, PM me. Publicly making accusations aimed at other TL users or their family members is pretty petty... especially when one could just as easily handle things privately. Also, you clearly don't know my brother, because he's not "scum". And I won't be discussing this any further in a public thread. | ||
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