EPTIn his case you just ask why you got banned and then say something like "k np". Instead of that he kept whining and whining.
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Conreik
France51 Posts
In his case you just ask why you got banned and then say something like "k np". Instead of that he kept whining and whining. | ||
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GiAx
Austria52 Posts
On July 18 2012 20:44 retardstrong wrote: Since you still can't understand: THE MODERATORS ARE HURTING THE STREAM. There can you understand that? That is the point i'm trying to make. These posts are meant to point out how the moderators are hurting the stream directly through their actions. LOL? The chat is what is hurting the stream dude^^ there is no benefit at all of the stream...it is an utter shitstorm with 99% trolls who deserve to be banned.... and i want to second what the guy above me said....you want goddamn flower and choclate and a guy kissing your feet just because you got timed out?^^ honestly...if you dont want to "hurt" the stream expirience ...block the chat...the only way | ||
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retardstrong
United States46 Posts
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GiAx
Austria52 Posts
On July 18 2012 21:21 retardstrong wrote: That is ridiculous. You are putting the blame on someone who did nothing wrong. The moderators instigated what happened. Alright...let me tell you why that is not true...so...a mod missclicked and timeouted someone...that guy proceeded to flame the mods for it and caused a disturbance...the mods then proceeded to ban the whiney little bitch for causing said disturbance..=> cause: people complaining about stuff noone ever should even complain because its utterly insignificant | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On July 18 2012 14:01 retardstrong wrote: Hey I love watching your stream but once again the mods are in my eyes not doing their job. Someone was mistakenly timed out for 10 minutes for doing nothing. Whoever did this just let him ride out those 10 minutes instead of taking him out of the timeout. After 10 minutes he came back saying something along the lines of "Why was I banned for complimenting him?". Mods said it was probably a missed click. There was no apology so he went on to complain about the mods and without directly attacking any of them or anyone else he was perma banned. So to recap: Guy compliments the streamer Guy is put on a 10 minute timeout by mistake Guy asks why he was banned Mods say "missed click" and do not apologize Guy gets upset about the mods and complains Mods say "It was just 10 minutes chill out" Guy continues to complain Mods say they can ban for whatever they want Guy continues to complain Mods ban guy forever So some dude who actually liked what he saw on your stream enough to compliment you is now perma banned it. A simple "sorry it was a miss click you weren't meant to be banned" would most likely have totally defused the situation, but instead you have a former fan banned from your channel. You have many followers and one person doesn't seem like much but the fact is this isn't an isolated incident. Mods saying statements like "It's just 10 minutes chill out" isn't fair either. Mods should not think like that because then they wave their timeout ban hammer all over for questionable reasons. How many hours of time have people been banned from chat over your streaming career? It adds up. Just take a look through this thread. There are more complaints about moderators in this stream discussion thread than any other thread I have ever seen. It might be time to do something. As a moderator, editor, and TL stream manager for Geoff, let me say this: all of our bans stem from the loose guidelines given to us by Geoff. No trolls, no excessively stupid behavior, no disrespect for Geoff, EG, or the larger SC2 community members, things of that nature. But I myself have a rule that I ban by, which has never been officially commented on by Geoff. Anna is off limits. His idea of "complimenting" Geoff was talking about Anna's looks. Whenever she gets in view of the stream, you children go crazy. If it's not handled, which I've seen many times, it just spirals into you telling us all about how you'd have sex with her, but it would not be nearly as politely worded. Good comments on her looks (eg "She's so hot") receive a timeout. You can argue with that if you want, but you don't even have the right to be discussing her appearance, so whatever argument you came up with would be moot. Bad comments about Anna result in a permanent ban. You'd think after banning hundreds of people for this people would stop being so fucking rude to her and Geoff, but if anything it just gets worse as the viewer count increases. This particular viewer decided that a compliment to Geoff was telling him how his fiance is sexually attractive to him, so he received a timeout. When he came back and bitched about it, he continued bitching, and bitching, and bitching. I think it was Pita who said it may have been an accident. It wasn't. I even addressed this myself, by telling him that Anna was off limits, and that it's not a compliment, it was rude, and it warranted a timeout. He proceeded to tell the mods that they can't timeout people for that. Yes, to that I responded with "I can ban you for any reason". And truly, I can. But I also said if it was demanded of me, I could account for every ban I have ever made to Geoff, ie the only person who matters. I timeout a lot of people who decide to be rude and/or disrespectful. Most of the people I've timedout/banned in the last 8ish months are apparently so stupid they can't realize that saying "I'd fuck your girlfriend" is rude. How many hours of timeouts have I given? Probably in the high hundreds. How many unfair timeouts have I given? Less than a dozen. If you were observant, you'd realize we got several compliments from the regular stream viewers once this guy was permanently banned. He's another flash in the pan, like every other troll. You may think it's an isolated incident, but you don't realize we have to deal with dozens or hundreds of these guys every time Geoff streams. | ||
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retardstrong
United States46 Posts
On July 19 2012 02:25 Chargelot wrote: No trolls, no excessively stupid behavior, no disrespect for Geoff, EG, or the larger SC2 community members, things of that nature. But I myself have a rule that I ban by, which has never been officially commented on by Geoff. Anna is off limits. Why aren't these rules posted anywhere on his stream description? The way that this stream handles trolls and bans is why there are so many trolls. The way the mods and Geoff act towards trolls is what they thrive on and why there are so many in your chat. Not posting the chat rules anywhere will get people timed out and pissed off because they do not understand why they were banned. "Whoa who's the babe?" = timeout then "wtf was i timed out for? fuck u mods" = perma ban I'm not sure why you decided to be a white knight about Anna. There are plenty of streams with girls that show up randomly (Ret) that have no problems. Acting like you're some sort of gentleman or knight by banning people who says she is sexy is just stupid. This encourages people to say more offensive and ridiculous shit when something that is hardly offensive warrants a timeout. The way this stream is moderated attracts trolls more than anything. If there were no moderators and only a bot to timeout spammers, people who type in all caps, and people who post links the chat would be a much better place. Why don't you post the rules somewhere so people know what they are actually supposed to do. The Anna rule is not a common sense rule because tons of people watching have no idea who she is. Over moderation and policing of anything will cause people to act out much more than very little to no moderation at all (the bot). It is extremely easy to set up a bot to timeout someone if they say certain words also ("Anna"). Take a step back and look at how disgusting the chat is on this stream. This is the type of chat that is made when you over moderate and police it. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On July 19 2012 08:34 retardstrong wrote: Why aren't these rules posted anywhere on his stream description? The way that this stream handles trolls and bans is why there are so many trolls. The way the mods and Geoff act towards trolls is what they thrive on and why there are so many in your chat. Not posting the chat rules anywhere will get people timed out and pissed off because they do not understand why they were banned. "Whoa who's the babe?" = timeout then "wtf was i timed out for? fuck u mods" = perma ban I'm not sure why you decided to be a white knight about Anna. There are plenty of streams with girls that show up randomly (Ret) that have no problems. Acting like you're some sort of gentleman or knight by banning people who says she is sexy is just stupid. This encourages people to say more offensive and ridiculous shit when something that is hardly offensive warrants a timeout. The way this stream is moderated attracts trolls more than anything. If there were no moderators and only a bot to timeout spammers, people who type in all caps, and people who post links the chat would be a much better place. Why don't you post the rules somewhere so people know what they are actually supposed to do. The Anna rule is not a common sense rule because tons of people watching have no idea who she is. Over moderation and policing of anything will cause people to act out much more than very little to no moderation at all (the bot). It is extremely easy to set up a bot to timeout someone if they say certain words also ("Anna"). Take a step back and look at how disgusting the chat is on this stream. This is the type of chat that is made when you over moderate and police it. I am not capable nor willing to post the "rules", or as we call them: common sense, on Geoff's stream. The whiteknight argument is silly, but you've obviously spent a lot of time on 4chan. As for your "banning trolls breeds trolls" argument: Let me explain how moderation works. I click a button. Moderation complete. I am not fazed by 3 trolls instead of 1. That said, take a look at IdrA's chat, or even Day[9]'s chat. Is that proof enough that a lack of moderation does not improve the quality of the chat? Now observe this very website, which is constantly accused of overmoderation, yet provides the highest quality discussions of all StarCraft websites. This particular chat is not bad, not in the least. Compared to the rest of twitch.tv, it's basically the one light in the darkness. Last night we were having a perfectly good tech discussion in the chat, and several users received tech support/advice via PM. In the middle of this discussion, Anna shows up, and people go fucking crazy because they've never seen a woman before. I can't, and even if I could, I wouldn't ask Anna to restrict herself, or ask Geoff to restrict Anna, or his webcam, or anything. They are allowed to do whatever they want in their own house, and on his own stream. Neither of them did anything wrong. I can, however, restrict you and your 14 year old friends from flooding Geoff's chat with nothing but disrespect for Geoff and the woman he is going to marry. As a matter of fact, that is why Geoff has moderators in the first place. If you need "be respectful" to be posted somewhere for you to remember it, you shouldn't be allowed to communicate anyways. | ||
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retardstrong
United States46 Posts
As far as the white knight argument goes. Geoff didn't implement the rule you took it upon yourself to be extremely aggressive with the bans for anything regarding Anna. You even say in chat that you are protective of her. If that isn't being a white knight I don't know what is. I don't spend time on 4chan but apparently you do. Is that where the white knight thing started? Not really sure where that comment came from. Idra and Day9 always have at least 2x as many viewers as incontrol so there are too many people in the chats. Slow mode has to be used or else it's a spam fest even if everyone is saying valid arguments Idra doesn't care about his chat and it works out great. The chat for day9 is completely different because he is running a show. The most he looks for out of his chat is "lol hahaha spam" and he goes in depth enough on most subjects in his show that people's questions in chat are answered eventually. Last night i found the tech discussion annoying enough where I actually closed the chat for 5-10 mins figuring it would be over by then. It was not. No one could talk about the game because 3-4 people were talking about tech including mods. Off topic is fine but only for so long right? I don't understand why those people weren't being banned they were arguing the same points over and over and being at least as annoying as anything else I've seen go on in that chat. People were freaking out when Anna came on screen because there are very few women streamers or women involved with sc2 in general. Sc2 stream watchers I'm sure also interact with women much less often than the average person. Who is the one getting offended when someone calls Anna sexy? Is it Geoff? I can say almost with 100% certainty it isn't Anna. Unless Geoff is legitimately offended that someone calls his wife sexy over his sc2 stream internet chat it would appear that only you are offended. That is why I am calling you a white knight. You are going out of your way to "protect" Anna who probably wouldn't mind being called sexy over an internet chat. "Hey I'm banning everyone who is calling you sexy in the chat Anna.". What do you think Anna's response would be to that if Geoff said that? This isn't like someone is standing there in person saying directly to Anna that she is sexy with Geoff standing there as well. There are plenty of over the top comments that would warrant a timeout but not that. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On July 19 2012 09:50 retardstrong wrote: Why aren't you willing to post the rules? That is incredibly stupid. As far as the white knight argument goes. Geoff didn't implement the rule you took it upon yourself to be extremely aggressive with the bans for anything regarding Anna. You even say in chat that you are protective of her. If that isn't being a white knight I don't know what is. I don't spend time on 4chan but apparently you do. Is that where the white knight thing started? Not really sure where that comment came from. Idra and Day9 always have at least 2x as many viewers as incontrol so there are too many people in the chats. Slow mode has to be used or else it's a spam fest even if everyone is saying valid arguments Idra doesn't care about his chat and it works out great. The chat for day9 is completely different because he is running a show. The most he looks for out of his chat is "lol hahaha spam" and he goes in depth enough on most subjects in his show that people's questions in chat are answered eventually. Last night i found the tech discussion annoying enough where I actually closed the chat for 5-10 mins figuring it would be over by then. It was not. No one could talk about the game because 3-4 people were talking about tech including mods. Off topic is fine but only for so long right? I don't understand why those people weren't being banned they were arguing the same points over and over and being at least as annoying as anything else I've seen go on in that chat. People were freaking out when Anna came on screen because there are very few women streamers or women involved with sc2 in general. Sc2 stream watchers I'm sure also interact with women much less often than the average person. Who is the one getting offended when someone calls Anna sexy? Is it Geoff? I can say almost with 100% certainty it isn't Anna. Unless Geoff is legitimately offended that someone calls his wife sexy over his sc2 stream internet chat it would appear that only you are offended. That is why I am calling you a white knight. You are going out of your way to "protect" Anna who probably wouldn't mind being called sexy over an internet chat. "Hey I'm banning everyone who is calling you sexy in the chat Anna.". What do you think Anna's response would be to that if Geoff said that? This isn't like someone is standing there in person saying directly to Anna that she is sexy with Geoff standing there as well. There are plenty of over the top comments that would warrant a timeout but not that. If you took "not willing" out of "not able and not willing" and decided that was the part holding me back, then you're being a little too unreasonable and biased. It's not my place to declare rules, per se. Nor am I able to alter anything "personal" on his twitch, I can alter the videos themselves, including highlighting content, uploading to youtube, changing the description and titles, and I can run commercials. I cannot change the stream info, etc. If you don't like the discussion going on in the chat, you can try to change it, or just talk to people not talking about that. But there were easily 30 people talking about tech stuff. None of them trolls, none of them arguing as you said, none of them being disrespectful. A few asked for help, and they received help. I personally don't see the issue with the topic being about something that isn't the game currently being played, as long as it is an acceptable topic, and it's not 4 hours of "why I hate reddit!" You seem to be mixing up the cause and the effect. I don't timeout people because anyone is offended, I timeout people because it is disrespectful, regardless of how it is received. Not only is it disrespectful, but like I've already said, the discussion always goes out of control. I don't ban "everything" about Anna. I timeout or ban comments about her appearence, which is 95% of what is said about her. But still, people talk about Anna a lot without saying "I'd bang her", "she's sexy" etc. They won't ever be timedout or banned for that. | ||
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retardstrong
United States46 Posts
You aren't able to post the rules and are not willing to post the rules. If you were able to post the rules you would still not be willing to post them. That is stupid. There does that make sense? The way you are moderating will never stop the trolls. You don't tell people why they are being banned. This will either have the person leave the stream (loss of a viewer) or after 10 minutes come back in complaining about the mods or doing things that will be more offensive and lead to a perma ban (loss of a viewer). All this does is make it so anyone who is doing anything borderline wrong to end up getting perma banned and pissed off. Through your actions you are directly causing incontrol to have less viewers and therefore make less money. He is already complaining about not making much while streaming this time of year. That type of moderation CREATES trolls because people will see it and say to themselves "hey this mod is an asshole, fuck this guy!" then they will chat until they get banned. Reading through these last few posts it seems like you're treating the chat as your own personal chat room and not Geoff's stream chat. I really don't understand how you can be so biased in your moderation. This is why there are so many complaints. I haven't ever been banned but watching you (if you were the mod from last night) mod the channel has made me upset enough to post over and over on this forum. You should talk a step back and look at what you are actually doing. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
I think you should take a step back and realize how ridiculous twitch chats of popular streams are. Leave the moderating to the mods Geoff has appointed. | ||
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retardstrong
United States46 Posts
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GiAx
Austria52 Posts
On July 19 2012 11:53 retardstrong wrote: The guy last night took it to far because he was pushed too far by the mod. End of story. If this is the type of moderation Geoff approves then it projects and image of himself being an asshole. At least in my eyes. Since this is going no where I will just stop watching his stream. Enjoy treating people like shit on the internet and justifying it in your head by calling them trolls. Do everyone a favour and just leave alltogether...also....how the FUCK does anyone leave a stream because the chat is annoying? "hide chat" is your best friend; you dont go to a stream to watch the chat..you go to a stream to watch the goddamn stream...usually the streamers dont even pay attention to the chat because its that useless and unimportant | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
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Paradice
New Zealand431 Posts
Guy compliments the streamer Guy is put on a 10 minute timeout by mistake Guy asks why he was banned Mods say "missed click" and do not apologize Guy gets upset about the mods and complains Mods say "It was just 10 minutes chill out" Guy continues to complain Mods say they can ban for whatever they want Guy continues to complain Mods ban guy forever I was not watching the stream at the time. However, based on your own recap, I would have banned that guy too. "gets upset and complains", "continues to complain", "continues to complain". At that point, it is extremely unlikely that the sum total of his potential future positive comments in that stream could ever outwiegh the irritation and annoyance he just caused everyone else. A ban sounds eminently reasonable. | ||
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retardstrong
United States46 Posts
GiAx the only reason I ever watched incontrol's stream was because I was able to chat but the mods get out of control in my eyes. I was hardly watching for the stellar content because there are much more skilled toss players who stream (squirtle). The mods have said they are not able to post the rules of the chat anywhere and even if they could they would be unwilling to do so. This doesn't make any fucking sense to me. They label anyone who they ban as a troll and are overly aggressive towards everything. Every time I feel like I can root for EG again I always get thrown off by incontrol or idra because of their attitudes towards their fans. The stream chat is a direct connection to your fans and you have a mod who bans anyone for very little reason and then calls them a troll. I think even a few pages back he was reading what people said to him in his inbox after being banned and some of it was sincere messages basically saying "was it necessary to ban me? What's with the aggressive mods on this stream.". He then follows up with stuff like "man you could tell this guy really had the ban coming to him.". Incontrol trolls all the time on Inside the Game so I guess he's also being a hypocrite. It is unfortunate wonderful people like demuslim are on the team. I guess I am just missing a connection with the "asshole" attitude that this team is emitting with these players. Ok now I'm done. Not posting on this thread anymore. Hopefully incontrol reads it. | ||
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dogmode
Philippines491 Posts
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GiAx
Austria52 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 19 2012 17:44 dogmode wrote: maybe we can just watch the steam and not chat, you know, like in a movie theatere, if you want to contact iNcontrol then there are other aveneues? just a thought No, that would be way to easy. Clearly he wishes to be in chat and complain about people not posting the "rules"(because clearly there are a well written, bullet pointed set of rules for Geoff's stream chat). Of course, once he had the rules, the next time he got timed out, he would complain that the reason he was timed out was not part of the rules. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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