EPTUkraine vs Sweden - Group D Matchday 1 - Page 13
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17843 Posts
On June 12 2012 05:50 Zexion wrote: Ukraine can't be allowed to score two cheap goals like that... And even if I'm mad because the referee blew the whistle too much I must say he did a good job. I'm hope we can defeat England and France now...(who am I kidding...?) "Cheap" goals? Shev did OUTSTANDING job on both of those, especially the second one, putting the ball between the post and the player guarding it. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
The Swedish winger that came on (was it Svensson or Wilhelmsson?) looked so deadly. He's one to look at as this tourney progresses definitely. England and France need to look out...this group is very open. Any team can go through | ||
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Hittegods
Stockholm4642 Posts
On June 12 2012 05:52 Hassybaby wrote: i dunno bout you guys, but that did NOT look comfortable to me. Ukraine looked very nervous at the back for a number of chances. Sweden just failed to capitalise a lot of them. The Swedish winger that came on (was it Svensson or Wilhelmsson?) looked so deadly. He's one to look at as this tourney progresses definitely. England and France need to look out...this group is very open. Any team can go through Wait, what? "Taco" Svensson is terrible and way, way past his prime. Wilhelmsson is terrible too, the only thing I want to look at him do is get off the team. | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
please give a place on the bench next to you to Rosenberg and Lustig. Afterwards... send your guys out to win vs France and England. Thank you. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
But also bad luck to Ukraine about the groups, if they and poland swapped groups then Ukraine would be a clear favorite with Russia to move on as Greece, Poland and the Czechs look like the three weakest teams, so far. | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
On June 12 2012 05:52 Manit0u wrote: "Cheap" goals? Shev did OUTSTANDING job on both of those, especially the second one, putting the ball between the post and the player guarding it. I don't know how you can argue how they weren't cheap. We have 4 defender s in the box on the first one. No one is watching or holding Scheva, who is used to heading in sweet crosses like that. The second goal is an absolute atrocity. He should not be allowed to get clear like that, and Lustig let go of the post like the fucking idiot waste of space he is. If he stands by the post LIKE HE SHOULD there is no second goal. I'm boiling with anger. Like I said earlier in the thread, this is what we've sucked at lately, and something we should have been better at, especially when facing a brilliant striker like Scheva. That's not to say that Schevchenko didn't do it well. Two excellent headers are extremely hard to hit like that, and he is still a fantastic player, even at 35. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On June 12 2012 05:55 Hittegods wrote: Wait, what? "Taco" Svensson is terrible and way, way past his prime. Wilhelmsson is terrible too, the only thing I want to look at him do is get off the team. Wow, I thought English fans were unforgiving.... | ||
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Happystreet
550 Posts
On June 12 2012 05:52 Manit0u wrote: "Cheap" goals? Shev did OUTSTANDING job on both of those, especially the second one, putting the ball between the post and the player guarding it. The second one was kinda the defenders fault though. Sure great header but you put a guy at the post for a reason. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 12 2012 05:57 NuclearJudas wrote: I don't know how you can argue how they weren't cheap. We have 4 defender s in the box on the first one. No one is watching or holding Scheva, who is used to heading in sweet crosses like that. The second goal is an absolute atrocity. He should not be allowed to get clear like that, and Lustig let go of the post like the fucking idiot waste of space he is. If he stands by the post LIKE HE SHOULD there is no second goal. I'm boiling with anger. Like I said earlier in the thread, this is what we've sucked at lately, and something we should have been better at, especially when facing a brilliant striker like Scheva. That's not to say that Schevchenko didn't do it well. Two excellent headers are extremely hard to hit like that, and he is still a fantastic player, even at 35. First goal was Melberg showing his age, its a bit unfair to expect all the defenders to collapse on one guy. If its a zone its Melbergs fault. If he was supposed to mark him its still Melbergs fault. Second goal was just everyone in Sweden falling asleep because no one was expecting such a tight finish. Well they shouldve been. I wouldnt call them cheap goals. If a goal is scored like that and so many defenders around its usually someones fault but still goals like that get scored all the time, a cheap goal would be perhaps the one Jelavic scored yesterday. Underestimate Shevchenko to your own detriment. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17843 Posts
On June 12 2012 06:02 Happystreet wrote: The second one was kinda the defenders fault though. Sure great header but you put a guy at the post for a reason. That doesn't make the goals cheap. It only means defenders did a very lousy job. Cheap goals are ones based purely on luck (ball randomly bouncing off of someone, goalkeeper not catching some very weak and easy ball etc.). By the way, I believe this video is in order here: | ||
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Coal
Sweden1535 Posts
On June 12 2012 06:05 Manit0u wrote: That doesn't make the goals cheap. It only means defenders did a very lousy job. Cheap goals are ones based purely on luck (ball randomly bouncing off of someone, goalkeeper not catching some very weak and easy ball etc.). By the way, I believe this video is in order here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLSMCWe8pi4 Dude... how old is Shevschenko? o.O | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
On June 12 2012 06:04 Rebs wrote: First goal was Melberg showing his age, its a bit unfair to expect all the defenders to collapse on one guy. If its a zone its Melbergs fault. If he was supposed to mark him its still Melbergs fault. Second goal was just everyone in Sweden falling asleep because no one was expecting such a tight finish. Well they shouldve been. I wouldnt call them cheap goals. If a goal is scored like that and so many defenders around its usually someones fault but still goals like that get scored all the time, a cheap goal would be perhaps the one Jelavic scored yesterday. Underestimate Shevchenko to your own detriment. You just further explained why the goals where very cheap. I'm afraid I won't be swayed on this. Good strikes from Scheva, but the goals were gifted to him. Call me ignorant, biased, stupid or whatever, but I cannot see those goals as anything but cheap. Dude... how old is Shevschenko? o.O Schevchenko is 35 years old. | ||
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Gigaudas
Sweden1213 Posts
On June 12 2012 06:00 Hassybaby wrote: Wow, I thought English fans were unforgiving.... Fans (Swedish fans, British fans, any fans) know a lot less about football than the lead coaches do. That's kind of a "duh". Fans look at things such as "in what club does he play?" and "how many goals did he score?" when deciding the value of a player. Willhelmsson plays football in Qatar and Svensson is the only player from the Swedish domestic league who gets a lot of playtime. This is enough reason for fans to consider these two player bench material. | ||
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archonOOid
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sharkie
Austria18742 Posts
On June 12 2012 06:11 archonOOid wrote: Ukrainians should be ashamed of themselves as their national team faked injuries left and right. Lustig next time you are guarding your post, guard your fucking post. I take any bet in the world that Swedish players would have done the very exact same thing if the situations had been reversed. | ||
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Hittegods
Stockholm4642 Posts
On June 12 2012 06:11 Gigaudas wrote: Fans (Swedish fans, British fans, any fans) know a lot less about football than the lead coaches do. That's kind of a "duh". Fans look at things such as "in what club does he play?" and "how many goals did he score?" when deciding the value of a player. Willhelmsson plays football in Qatar and Svensson is the only player from the Swedish domestic league who gets a lot of playtime. This is enough reason for fans to consider these two player bench material. Actually it's been the Swedish coaches who've been looking at what clubs the players belong to for a long time. And you're seriously arguing Svensson isn't way past his prime? Wilhelmsson used to be at least fast and have ok technique. Now he's not that fast and just ends up trying to make love to the ball or walk it all the way into the net. | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 12 2012 06:10 NuclearJudas wrote: You just further explained why the goals where very cheap. I'm afraid I won't be swayed on this. Good strikes from Scheva, but the goals were gifted to him. Call me ignorant, biased, stupid or whatever, but I cannot see those goals as anything but cheap. I dont have to your doing it all by yourself. You cant give him credit for good strikes and then take it away by saying they are cheap. I dont think anyone has ever been swayed on this forum Im not about to start trying now lol. If I were being a fan Id just say "yea cheap goals didnt deserve them end of story" doesnt matter if I'm wrong im a fan. Not this middle of the road contradictory stuff | ||
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NuclearJudas
6546 Posts
On June 12 2012 06:11 Gigaudas wrote: Fans (Swedish fans, British fans, any fans) know a lot less about football than the lead coaches do. That's kind of a "duh". Fans look at things such as "in what club does he play?" and "how many goals did he score?" when deciding the value of a player. Willhelmsson plays football in Qatar and Svensson is the only player from the Swedish domestic league who gets a lot of playtime. This is enough reason for fans to consider these two player bench material. There will always be harsh critics. Wilhelmson is playing in the middle of nowhere but almost always gives a good showing. I cannot agree with the dude calling Svensson terrible. I still hold him over Elm. A very experienced and great passer, and fights like almost no one else. I for one will hang out Lustig for the second goal, and probably said some harsh things in my rage. On June 12 2012 06:11 archonOOid wrote: Ukrainians should be ashamed of themselves as their national team faked injuries left and right. Lustig next time you are guarding your post, guard your fucking post. Some Swedish players were rolling around as well. Unfortunately that shit is here to stay, unless FIFA and UEFA takes strong stands against it, which I hope they do. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On June 12 2012 06:11 Gigaudas wrote: Fans (Swedish fans, British fans, any fans) know a lot less about football than the lead coaches do. That's kind of a "duh". Fans look at things such as "in what club does he play?" and "how many goals did he score?" when deciding the value of a player. Willhelmsson plays football in Qatar and Svensson is the only player from the Swedish domestic league who gets a lot of playtime. This is enough reason for fans to consider these two player bench material. But that's so stupid...anyone who watched the game would clearly see that Willhelmsson is a fantastic winger. Every time he ran he had defenders reeling. He lacks a bit of composure in crowded environments, but there was a lot of commitment and ability there. I hope he comes back to Europe. I'd most definitely like to see more of him after that spell. | ||
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