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Introducing Germany:
Germany introduced a large number of fresh, young players to their team of the last couple of years - with great success. Their most recent tournament finishes were 3rd place in the WC 2006, 2nd place in the EC 2008, and another 3rd place in the WC 2010. Both 2008 and 2010 they lost to the later champions: Spain. Germany now has a still young, but at the same time experienced squad - and they are eager to finally bring home a title.
Once again, there are some very talented newcomers playing their first tournament as well. Players like Mario Götze, 20 years (30m € market value) or Marco Reus, 23 years (20m € market value), as well as Matts Hummels, André Schürrle or Ilkay Gündogan are players you should definitely keep an eye on this tournament.
Overall Germany has one of the most complete squads, with strong players on almost every position and very little weak spots. However, the defense has been a little been a little shaky in the last couple test games prior to the tournament, which is worrying alot of fans. Germany is considered one of the favorites to win the title, but being in a tough group, with the defense not being in form, could also lead to a quick exit out of the tournament. Whatever happens in this tournament, the team has a very bright future ahead.
Team Info:
World ranking: 3rd
Total value: 459.000.000 €
Most valuable player: Mario Gomez, 42.000.000 €
Average age: 25.0 Years
Youngest player: Mario Götze, 20 Years
Oldest player: Miroslav Klose, 33 Years
Caps of the squad: 779 Matches
Most experienced player: Miroslav Klose, 116 Matches
Roster:
Goalkeepers
1 Manuel Neuer, 26 years, Bayern München
12 Tim Wiese, 30 years, Werder Bremen (TSG Hoffenheim next season)
22 Ron-Robert Zieler, 23 years, Hannover 96
Defense
14 Holger Badstuber, 23 years, Bayern München
20 Jérôme Boateng, 23 years, Bayern München
4 Benedikt Höwedes, 24 years, FC Schalke 04
5 Mats Hummels, 23 years, Borussia Dortmund
16 Philipp Lahm C , 28 years, Bayern München
17 Per Mertesacker, 27 years, Arsenal FC
3 Marcel Schmelzer, 24 years, Borussia Dortmund
Midfield
15 Lars Bender, 23 years, Bayer Leverkusen
19 Mario Götze, 20 years, Borussia Dortmund
2 İlkay Gündoğan, 21 years, Borussia Dortmund
6 Sami Khedira, 25 years, Real Madrid
18 Toni Kroos, 22 years, Bayern München
8 Mesut Özil, 23 years, Real Madrid
21 Marco Reus, 23 years, Borussia Mönchengladbach (Borussia Dortmund next season)
7 Bastian Schweinsteiger, 27 years, Bayern München
Offense
23 Mario Gómez, 26 years, Bayern München
11 Miroslav Klose, 33 years, Lazio Roma
13 Thomas Müller, 22 years, Bayern München
10 Lukas Podolski, 27 years, 1. FC Köln (Arsenal FC next season)
9 André Schürrle, 21 years, Bayer Leverkusen
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Germany are gonna do pretty well, but I'm wondering if the fact that so many first team players are from Bayern Munich and have had a tough season affects their euro challenge
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We are only ranked #3 right now, tho...
Uruguay got us! :D
Nice summary, let's hope we can do well again. And for once beat Spain! QQ
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Got a question for you guys. I'm setting up a fantasy team. Schürrle is super cheap and seems to be the kind of player to get some play time later in matches. He seems to have been doing great in the friendlies.
1. Do you think Schürrle will be one of the standard picks for late game subs? To me it seems Reus, Schürrle and Klose/Gomez are the most likely subs.
2. Do you think Schürrle has a chance to later take Podolski's spot in the starting lineup? Or is his (lacking?) defensive qualities making too risky of a choice?
Will be rooting for Germany as long as they don't run into Sweden (highly unlikely because we're not planning on making it out of the group stages).
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Expected starting XI:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neuer - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Boateng - Mertesacker - Badstuber - Lahm
- - - - - - - Khedira - - - -Schweinsteiger - - - -
- - - - Müller - - - - -Özil - - - - - Podolski - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - Klose - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Strengths:
- starting XI with high international experience (five Bayern CL finalists, whole starting XI except Badstuber played last WC)
- high individual quality throughout the whole roster, makes starting XI harder to predict and leaves room for changes both through substitutions and in the lineup for the next matches
- traditionally strong goalkeeper
- variable offensive play with a very strong bench (Reus, Schürrle, Kroos, Götze)
Weaknesses:
- Key players coming back from injury (Mertesacker, Klose) or bad form (Schweinsteiger)
- possible defensive weaknesses:
- right fullback not trained as such (Boateng, Höwedes are centrebacks, Bender is a defensive midfielder)
- Mertesacker known to lack speed, but to make up for it in positioning
- Podolski known to not work very hard defensively, at least on the national team
Edit: @ SonicDeathMonkey, Schürrle is probably going to be subbed in a lot, especially if Germany needs a late goal. He's been scoring reliably after coming on for Podolski, exploiting the exhaustion of his opponent through speed and technical skill. Probably better defensively than Podolski, too, but lacking experience. He's not likely to take Podolski's starting spot, unless Podolski plays really, really bad - there's just so much synergy with Lahm, and Schürrle needs every advantage in speed he can get, so coming late is good for him.
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love the video, gives me chills :D
On June 08 2012 00:13 DragoonTT wrote:
Weaknesses:
- Key players coming back from injury (Mertesacker, Klose) or bad form (Schweinsteiger)
- possible defensive weaknesses:
- right fullback not trained as such (Boateng, Höwedes are centrebacks, Bender is a defensive midfielder)
- Mertesacker known to lack speed, but to make up for it in positioning
- Podolski known to not work very hard defensively, at least on the national team
A week ago or so, Mehmet Scholl said the playey in front of Lahm just cannot play bad, because Lahm is just that good 
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I just hope we don't fail so close to the goal again. It really was too painful the last years. I remember getting into a lot of trouble 2002, not saying a single word for 3 days 2006 and yelling at a customer 2008. Just go out in groups or win it all pls!
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The chances for Schürrle getting substituted are really high. He replaced Podolski in almost every game and always played really well and his defensive qualities are not worse. It probably depends on which side of Germany plays weaker, so if the left side (Podolski) does not play its best he will come in 100%.
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@DragonTT
Badstuber played last WC, he started as left back during the group stage game we lost for example.
Boateng has played a lot more games as right back than as centreback in his professional career, even tho he is a trained centreback he barely played that position @ HSV/Man City, and he even played right back at Bayern already :p
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Germany is gonna do great! I'm part German and I've always supported them so I'm really hoping to do well this year. I think if we can make it out of our exceptionally tough group we have a strong chance of winning it all.
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On June 08 2012 00:13 DragoonTT wrote:
Edit: @ SonicDeathMonkey, Schürrle is probably going to be subbed in a lot, especially if Germany needs a late goal. He's been scoring reliably after coming on for Podolski, exploiting the exhaustion of his opponent through speed and technical skill. Probably better defensively than Podolski, too, but lacking experience. He's not likely to take Podolski's starting spot, unless Podolski plays really, really bad - there's just so much synergy with Lahm, and Schürrle needs every advantage in speed he can get, so coming late is good for him.
On June 08 2012 00:17 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
The chances for Schürrle getting substituted are really high. He replaced Podolski in almost every game and always played really well and his defensive qualities are not worse. It probably depends on which side of Germany plays weaker, so if the left side (Podolski) does not play its best he will come in 100%.
Thanks guys, I appreciate it!
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On June 08 2012 00:28 clusen wrote:
@DragonTT
Badstuber played last WC, he started as left back during the group stage game we lost for example.
Boateng has played a lot more games as right back than as centreback in his professional career, even tho he is a trained centreback he barely played that position @ HSV/Man City, and he even played right back at Bayern already :p
Badstuber played against Australia and Serbia, was mediocre against Australia and totally failed against Serbia, if I remember correctly. Missed all those deciding to-or-die matches, though.
Boateng played a lot of right fullback, but has recently looked very, very shaky everytime he played that position. It's not really a question of experience for him - he's just not suited to the role, in my opinion.
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Imo:
edit:
Neuer
Lol forgot Neuer. No discussion here.
Boateng - Mertesacker - Badstuber - Lahm
As mentioned above: Boateng is too shaky. Imo Bender should play. Merte will play if he'll gets the nod over Hummels. Experience wise it is the most likely option, although as a BVB-Fan im hoping for Hummels. Should be very close. Badstuber and Lahm are set in stone.
Khedira - Schweinsteiger
Khedira will play 100%. Option for Schweinsteiger will be Kroos if Schweini isn't healthy.
Müller - Özil - Podolski
Nothing to say here. As a BVB-Fan i hope for Götze and Reus sub-ins. Schürle also could act as a Joker.
Klose
Imo he's better defensive. But Gomez is more the Goalgetter.
Sorry for my bad english.
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It seems like most of you believe in Klose as a starter. I got the feeling the lineup against Israel was the one Löw intends to play against Portugal (except for Schweinsteiger because of his injury). Gomez started and scored. I assume this is not the common perception in Germany?
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On June 08 2012 01:40 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
It seems like most of you believe in Klose as a starter. I got the feeling the lineup against Israel was the one Löw intends to play against Portugal (except for Schweinsteiger because of his injury). Gomez started and scored. I assume this is not the common perception in Germany?
In one of his last interviews Löw stated that he appreciates the ability of a forward to defend, especially to narrow down the space in the opponents half to intercept passes. It makes the work of defense a lot easier and the game faster.
Imo Klose has this talent and Gomez doesn't. Simple as that.
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On June 08 2012 02:00 seenster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 01:40 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
It seems like most of you believe in Klose as a starter. I got the feeling the lineup against Israel was the one Löw intends to play against Portugal (except for Schweinsteiger because of his injury). Gomez started and scored. I assume this is not the common perception in Germany? In one of his last interviews Löw stated that he appreciates the ability of a forward to defend, especially to narrow down the space in the opponents half to intercept passes. It makes the work of defense a lot easier and the game faster. Imo Klose has this talent and Gomez doesn't. Simple as that.
Also, Klose is a experienced tournament player that has always played well at euro and world cups. He is reliable, while Gomez has a tendency to choke in important matches.
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On June 08 2012 02:03 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2012 02:00 seenster wrote:On June 08 2012 01:40 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
It seems like most of you believe in Klose as a starter. I got the feeling the lineup against Israel was the one Löw intends to play against Portugal (except for Schweinsteiger because of his injury). Gomez started and scored. I assume this is not the common perception in Germany? In one of his last interviews Löw stated that he appreciates the ability of a forward to defend, especially to narrow down the space in the opponents half to intercept passes. It makes the work of defense a lot easier and the game faster. Imo Klose has this talent and Gomez doesn't. Simple as that. Also, Klose is a experienced tournament player that has always played well at euro and world cups. He is reliable, while Gomez has a tendency to choke in important matches.
Oh i forgot Gomez chokes a lot. In the Bundesliga i liked it. (not a Bayern-Fan).
So yeah both of these facts are pro-Klose. Imo he should reach the 68 goals of Gerd "Der Bomber der Nation" Müller. He deserves it!
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Big Goldi Poldi fan here!
btw, Löw announced some loose conditions for the players during the cup. Smoking and drinking beer and wine will be permitted during some periods; family will be able to visit as well, they can leave the concentration hotel for an hour too. Lets see how this turns out, specially if Germany chokes, or doesnt.
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I am so excited! 39 hours until the first game.
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I pray that Löw isn't going to play Mertesacker and Boateng. Boateng vs CR7 would be a disaster -_-
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Meep meep! This evening the journey starts! :D
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btw TITLE OR BUST! Another 2nd or 3rd Place disaster would be the End for Löw and his Squad.
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On June 09 2012 17:20 TheBrow wrote:
I pray that Löw isn't going to play Mertesacker and Boateng. Boateng vs CR7 would be a disaster -_-
Well the problem is that he can play anywhere and his excellent with both feet and head as well. Low must be just telling Khedira to just follow him around or something. German defence is at the point of looking quite bad for competitive play - he really loves Mertesacker for some reason, really disagree with OP, saying he's good positionally.
I think there's merit for this game, with the threats of CR7 and Nani, both wingers capable of moving anywhere and the state of Germany's defence, to play Bender with Khedira holders, and dropping Podolski. Edit, or if Klose isn't fully fit, start with Podolski up front.
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no way. even if germany doesn't make it out of the group stages, löw will stay. he has done an amazing job so far, 1-2 bad games won't change that fact.
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the main prioblem is
2nd 3rd 2nd 3rd 2nd 3rd ... without a title there is no golden generation and that would be so sad for this best german team we ever had
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The game against Portugal wasn't what people have come to expect, especially the last 20 minutes. The German team looked exhausted, which is highly unusual, as German teams are known to reach peak fitness in major tournaments.
The short preparation surely didn't help. Especially Lahm and Schweinsteiger did look tired or out of shape, and they are key players.
At least Hummels and Boateng showed quite convincing performances.
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On June 09 2012 18:26 lefix wrote:
no way. even if germany doesn't make it out of the group stages, löw will stay. he has done an amazing job so far, 1-2 bad games won't change that fact.
Are you joking? No title |= amazing job lol! #3 in the World Cup and #2 in the last EURO is a distaster and no success! With this team even Loddar Matthäus would be able to get Top3 - so Löw is a really bad coach and I hope he gets fired soon.
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On June 10 2012 16:46 Goetzinho 23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 18:26 lefix wrote:
no way. even if germany doesn't make it out of the group stages, löw will stay. he has done an amazing job so far, 1-2 bad games won't change that fact. Are you joking? No title |= amazing job lol! #3 in the World Cup and #2 in the last EURO is a distaster and no success! With this team even Loddar Matthäus would be able to get Top3 - so Löw is a really bad coach and I hope he gets fired soon.
There are several national teams stacked with skilled individuals, your expectations are way off.
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On June 10 2012 16:46 Goetzinho 23 wrote:
I hope he gets fired soon.
/facepalm
Did you know that germany plays this attractive offensive oriented style of football because of Löw? And did you know all the young talents were supported because of his idea of youth promotion?
Btw. I hope you aren't saying such things because just one BVB-Player played last match. I am a BVB-Fan myself, but this attitude towards Löw is just wrong ...
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Does anyone else think Goetzinho is TheBrow? :D
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finally hummels shutted the mouths of all haters and showed why he is one of THE defenders in europe!
at least our defence was solid, i expected it to be viceversa but hey im fine with it :D
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Oh yeah, i was pretty pessimistic for you Germans just on the basis of thought that Low would stick with Mertesacker but really glad Hummels got his chance and was very solid. I think you're over exaggerating - I've never read any hate directed towards Hummels, in fact, most German football followers have been praising him very highly and calling for him to partner Badstuber.
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The offense seemed a bit lackluster versus Portugal in a general sense. Just passing the ball around waiting for someone to have a good idea or a nice move.I am not too worried about Denmark but the Netherlands will be a difficult opponent, especially now that they lost the first game.
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I agree everyone knew Hummels was a great. The question was how well do they play together in this constellation that hasn't been tested often and only with meh results so far. To me it was only a matter of time. Hummels+Badstuber are probably going to be our centre backs for quite some time now.
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On June 10 2012 18:07 gwaihir wrote:
finally hummels shutted the mouths of all haters and showed why he is one of THE defenders in europe!
at least our defence was solid, i expected it to be viceversa but hey im fine with it :D
Like his genious pass to Neuer which almost resulted in a broken leg for him? Or maybe just a goal for Portugal?
Hummels was ok and got better in the process of the match, but to prove that he can bring his very good play from the Bundesliga to international games he has to play at the level he did yesterday in the second half a lot more often. Also I feel his contribution to the attacks was very very limited, he has to get better in that regard.
Still I feel there is no big difference between the three players right now (Mertesacker, Badstuber and Hummels) and I think it was correct to let Hummels and Badstuber play, since Mertesacker was injured a very long time and didn't seem as good as usually in the test matches.
In general I found the first half to be very bad from almost every player. Hope they get better...
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To be honest, I expected a little better play from Germany yesterday, they seemed rather struggling against rather weak Portugal. But it's only been 1 match, we'll see what happens further into the cup.
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On June 10 2012 18:48 Junichi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 18:07 gwaihir wrote:
finally hummels shutted the mouths of all haters and showed why he is one of THE defenders in europe!
at least our defence was solid, i expected it to be viceversa but hey im fine with it :D Like his genious pass to Neuer which almost resulted in a broken leg for him? Or maybe just a goal for Portugal? + Show Spoiler +
Hummels was ok and got better in the process of the match, but to prove that he can bring his very good play from the Bundesliga to international games he has to play at the level he did yesterday in the second half a lot more often. Also I feel his contribution to the attacks was very very limited, he has to get better in that regard.
Still I feel there is no big difference between the three players right now (Mertesacker, Badstuber and Hummels) and I think it was correct to let Hummels and Badstuber play, since Mertesacker was injured a very long time and didn't seem as good as usually in the test matches.
In general I found the first half to be very bad from almost every player. Hope they get better...
Yeah that was a huge mistake of course. But the rest of the game he played very good.
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I realy dont care about good play, espacially after may 19th.. its all about winning which you do with a strong defense - without mertesacker our defense is world class, lahm didnt perform yesterday but he will which he has proven over that last 8 years.. boatengs defending is top notch, sure hes no right back and his offensiv quality is not existend, but thats expected.. we have the best keeper since kahn, our bench would start in almost every other team..
only löw has to not fuck it up, droping merte for the in every aspect better hummels was the first step, im scared of podolski and i hope we are not stuck with gomez after his goal yesterday, klose or reus would work much better in our team.. we can send top favourite netherlands home on wednesday, lets see how good its spain, maybe italy breaks their spirit today 
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On June 09 2012 23:22 CoR wrote:
the main prioblem is
2nd 3rd 2nd 3rd 2nd 3rd ... without a title there is no golden generation and that would be so sad for this best german team we ever had
Which is this generation you're referring to? Germany has the lowest average age of all teams in Euro 2012, it seems to me the golden generation is what's to come. Not one single player in the starting eleven was older than 28, the success of your team has barely just begun. Özil, Neuer, Müller, Gomez, Khedira, Hummels, Reus, Boateng, Kroos, Götze, Schürrle and Badstuber all being 26 years old and less, now that's a golden generation about to happen.
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On June 10 2012 16:46 Goetzinho 23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 18:26 lefix wrote:
no way. even if germany doesn't make it out of the group stages, löw will stay. he has done an amazing job so far, 1-2 bad games won't change that fact. Are you joking? No title |= amazing job lol! #3 in the World Cup and #2 in the last EURO is a distaster and no success! With this team even Loddar Matthäus would be able to get Top3 - so Löw is a really bad coach and I hope he gets fired soon.
You can't be serious.
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On June 10 2012 16:46 Goetzinho 23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2012 18:26 lefix wrote:
no way. even if germany doesn't make it out of the group stages, löw will stay. he has done an amazing job so far, 1-2 bad games won't change that fact. Are you joking? No title |= amazing job lol! #3 in the World Cup and #2 in the last EURO is a distaster and no success! With this team even Loddar Matthäus would be able to get Top3 - so Löw is a really bad coach and I hope he gets fired soon.
This is ridiculous! Finishing third and second in the last two major tournaments is "a disaster"? Which world are you living in? -.-
It just so happens to be that Spain has an incredibely strong team, but that does not in any way lessen the performance of the German one, and losing two times 0-1 to them, thats not like an unequivocal 0-3. With a little luck and good daily form everything is possible!
Go Germany
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![[image loading]](http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/534347_372657769464880_1838795096_n.jpg)
tonight we will make a lot of dutchmens cry ! at least i hope so ^^
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There is no difference in #32 or #2 ...either you win or you LOSE!
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Germany are superb in every position except centre forward. Klose's a bit past it and has never been great in the build but obviously he's always had that knack of scoring loads of gold without looking particularly good. Gomez is too immobile and bottles it on the big occasions.
If you had a Klinsmann, Bierhoff, Muller or even a Klose of 8 years ago you'd be unstoppable.
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On June 13 2012 19:13 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
If you had a Klinsmann, Bierhoff, Muller or even a Klose of 8 years ago you'd be unstoppable.
maybe reuss would do an awesome job, he is quite young and inexpierenced but he has power and is willing to fight, with gomez i have to agree, he can score pretty well but most of the time he is not inegrated into the game, and he has big tendencys to throw away 100% chances
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Nah, Gomez is pretty good
It just depends on the passes he gets
The last game Müller / Podolski / Özil played just bad passes / crosses if there were any at all
Same with Lewandowski and other world class forwards, it's not only Gomez
In the 4-5(2-3)-1 system the center forward is really dependant
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Gomez is really good at what he does, I'm just not sure what he does is what Germany needs.
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On June 13 2012 20:45 Harris1st wrote:
Nah, Gomez is pretty good
It just depends on the passes he gets
The last game Müller / Podolski / Özil played just bad passes / crosses if there were any at all
Same with Lewandowski and other world class forwards, it's not only Gomez
In the 4-5(2-3)-1 system the center forward is really dependant
He's never good when it really matters though. I'm sure he's great at scoring in the Bundesliga but he is consistantly awful in these major tournaments and against big teams in the Champions League.
Gomez had chances to score 2-3 goals last game and he took one of them. Not to mention that Ozil/Podolski/Muller can only supply whatever movement their striker gives them and Gomez gives very little movement. Klose looked better than him by a mile when he came on.
With the creativity and passing of a midfield six of Podolski, Ozil, Schweinsteiger, Khedira and Muller there's no way you can complain about service. He has the 2nd/3rd best (after Spain and maybe Holland) support cast in the world behind him, if he has the movement to find space they're going to make chances for him. Unfortunately he doesn't have that movement and has a bad habit of missing chance after chance on the big stage.
Gomez isn't a terrible striker by any means but he's not a great or world class one either and the real world class strikers of the world like Rooney, Messi, Aguero, Tevez, Ronaldo, Villa, Eto'o, Van Persie, Falcao, Ibrahimovic would score for fun in this German team.
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On June 13 2012 22:44 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 20:45 Harris1st wrote:
Nah, Gomez is pretty good
It just depends on the passes he gets
The last game Müller / Podolski / Özil played just bad passes / crosses if there were any at all
Same with Lewandowski and other world class forwards, it's not only Gomez
In the 4-5(2-3)-1 system the center forward is really dependant He's never good when it really matters though. I'm sure he's great at scoring in the Bundesliga but he is consistantly awful in these major tournaments and against big teams in the Champions League. Gomez had chances to score 2-3 goals last game and he took one of them. Not to mention that Ozil/Podolski/Muller can only supply whatever movement their striker gives them and Gomez gives very little movement. Klose looked better than him by a mile when he came on.
That is basically what quite a number of people think. And I agree with them.
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we have a traitor
![[image loading]](http://bilder.bild.de/fotos/a-merkel_26994027-1339594862-2-24640526/Bild/5.bild.jpg)
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LOL what the....
wait, didn't she say she's boycotting Ukraine?
Anyone know if she's actually going to Kharkiv?
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she wont show up in ukraine, dont know 100% if she comes to poland but i would not expect that ( some other politicians from germany came to the first match, so it might be possible )
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On June 13 2012 21:06 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Gomez is really good at what he does, I'm just not sure what he does is what Germany needs.
Or maybe goals is what Germany needs, don't know.
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Fair do's Mario, you've proven me wrong.
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I don't get what happened this year. Gomez has always been mediocre at best during international tournaments.
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this needs to be in the OP, it shows what kind of nasty coach we have :D
![[image loading]](http://h11.abload.de/img/untitled-5bamgp.gif)
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I want Kroos to get more playtime. Know one else in the german team passes so clever and precise as him.
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On June 15 2012 02:34 zul wrote:
I want Kroos to get more playtime. Know one else in the german team passes so clever and precise as him.
you haven't been watching alot of games of real madrid then ...
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All i want is for Podolski to get replaced, finally. Pretty pretty please. He has the football IQ of a 3 year old and doesn't play to his strengths this tournament either. Vs Holland I honestly wasn't sure if he was even playing.
Okay to be fair thats been a problem for both Wingers , Müller isn't playing well either, but I have no idea why Löw is keeping him in for 90 minutes. At least try out the other options he has, its not like Podolski is irreplacable. The only thing I can think of is that Podolski has experience , knows the system and is less of a liability defensivly than the other options (I am not really sure about that one either)
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On June 14 2012 04:28 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
Fair do's Mario, you've proven me wrong.
So... you see my points? :D
On June 15 2012 21:14 Erandorr wrote:
All i want is for Podolski to get replaced, finally. Pretty pretty please. He has the football IQ of a 3 year old and doesn't play to his strengths this tournament either. Vs Holland I honestly wasn't sure if he was even playing.
Okay to be fair thats been a problem for both Wingers , Müller isn't playing well either, but I have no idea why Löw is keeping him in for 90 minutes. At least try out the other options he has, its not like Podolski is irreplacable. The only thing I can think of is that Podolski has experience , knows the system and is less of a liability defensivly than the other options (I am not really sure about that one either)
I really hope he gives Schürrle and Reus a shot vs Denmark
Müller / Podolski are not really in good shape right now
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Müller has been playing pretty good imo. There have been no real reason to sub Schürrle or Reus, I expect to see them if Germany needs to score (or has a comfortable lead).
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If germany does not win this Euro it will be because of this b***shit:
+ Show Spoiler +
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looks exactly what it should look like
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Wo ist das Problem mit den Farben? Don't see anything weird.
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i just hate that green ... i loved the black away kit (got one myself) and also the womens one looks awesome ... i don't get why germany is the only team that keeps ignoring its national colors only because of the stupid colors of the DFB. Green for germany is sooo awkward, and not everything that was done in the past was right. Seriously, i have no real problem with the white but just look at those wierdo's in a black, white (red, gold) fanblock that wear a green shirt. It is just stupid.
and there is also a difference in generel appearance on the field. Black looks dominant, it stands out and makes it look like there are more german players on the field then the other team does have. The green on the other hand vanishes, because it blends with the green of the ground alot. While you could argument that this would help to overlook certain players i don't think that would happen these mental and psychological aspects of colors may be not that big but it is existant nevertheless. Imo there is only one argument against black and that would be getting too hot in the sun but since all games take place later in the evening i don't really see a problem there.
I wish we would have a golden shirt with black letters/numbers. I remember barca playing in gold and it looked awesome, its just such a seldom color (a LOT of teams play in red f.e. because its the most common color in national flaggs) and yeah you could design awesome jerseys with that. But why green ? 
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On June 17 2012 08:24 JoelB wrote: But why green ?
Are you kidding me? Germany played 54, 74, 90 (big dates in our football history) in a green dress. Its tradition and a sign of good luck for this EM
The Red-Away Trikots are just made up by Klinsmann -.-
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If you buy and wear an away shirt because you think it "looks better" than our traditional white home kit, then you're anyways just a hipster, fashion, eventy, sommermärchen, bandwagon "fan", and your opinion doesn't count. Not that we're not grateful for your existance. You buying away jerseys helps the DFB a great deal. They make them for people like you to buy. Just please accept your place and refrain from voicing your opinion.
Thank you.
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Besides the fact that we won the world cup in 54, 74 and 90 with green away shirts, i also think they look better than the black or red ones ^^
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On June 17 2012 09:05 SACtheXchng wrote:
If you buy and wear an away shirt because you think it "looks better" than our traditional white home kit, then you're anyways just a hipster, fashion, eventy, sommermärchen, bandwagon "fan", and your opinion doesn't count. Not that we're not grateful for your existance. You buying away jerseys helps the DFB a great deal. They make them for people like you to buy. Just please accept your place and refrain from voicing your opinion.
Thank you.
very offensive way to describe someone who follows Bundesliga, Champions League and watches all games off all WC and EC since my existence (but i don't share your arrogance towards normal fans that just enjoy WCs and Euros). But yeah, i'm a designer and i just hate the looks of it. I hated it back then and i hate it now. So does it make me a hipster and someone without any form of valuable oppinion if i actually have a sense of good looking fashion and design, yes? In my oppinion the green looks ugly and alot more hipster and retro then anything else. I know the history of the green pretty well and i was glad that they've changed it. The sole reason we are not winning anything atm is that stupid admiration of spanish football which is ofcourse awesome to watch but everytime Germany faced Spain we stood there and watched them play with awe. Schweinsteiger is a prime example of this trend of abjection. This is easly the best german team since a long long time and maybe even the best we ever had from a technical standpoint. But they won't win against Spain or anything if they don't overcome this attitude. The green shirt won't change that. And actually i give a shit about traditions especially if they are hurting my eyes so badly. And IF there should be any tradition it's the colors of the german revolution in 1848 which sparked the first try of democracy on german ground and their colors were black/red/gold not white/green.
PS: i have a home kit too btw, i just find myself wearing the black one more often because it suits me better then the white one. And guess what? All of the people always tell me that it looks awesome. Why? Because it looks dangerous and elegant at the same time. Not "honkey ponkey iam the green troll that waits behind the rainbow".
PPS: just found out that if we do not lose against denmark, we will be considered home team till the finals so we won't see that jersey anyway only if we reach the finals (depending on the other team ofc) ... a good thing :D
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I hate the green ones as well, much preferred the blacks Green just feels awkward to me after watching years of international german competition (call me a bandwagoner but i only really watch the WC/Euro/odd football league final).
It's hard to get football on tv here so fuck off
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Who cares about jerseys... TITLE OR BUST!
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On June 17 2012 08:24 JoelB wrote:
i just hate that green ... i loved the black away kit (got one myself) and also the womens one looks awesome ... i don't get why germany is the only team that keeps ignoring its national colors only because of the stupid colors of the DFB. Green for germany is sooo awkward, and not everything that was done in the past was right. Seriously, i have no real problem with the white but just look at those wierdo's in a black, white (red, gold) fanblock that wear a green shirt. It is just stupid.
Do you realize that there is no orange in the flag of netherlands? nobody will ever they "oh that orange does look so stupid" because orange is just their way of life.
the green has a lot of tradition for germany, i don't see a problem there
To be honest, the jerseys could look better, but not because of the colors. i like the swedish away shirt with the yellow stripe a lot more than ours.
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On June 17 2012 17:40 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 08:24 JoelB wrote:
i just hate that green ... i loved the black away kit (got one myself) and also the womens one looks awesome ... i don't get why germany is the only team that keeps ignoring its national colors only because of the stupid colors of the DFB. Green for germany is sooo awkward, and not everything that was done in the past was right. Seriously, i have no real problem with the white but just look at those wierdo's in a black, white (red, gold) fanblock that wear a green shirt. It is just stupid.
Do you realize that there is no orange in the flag of netherlands? nobody will ever they "oh that orange does look so stupid" because orange is just their way of life. the green has a lot of tradition for germany, i don't see a problem there To be honest, the jerseys could look better, but not because of the colors. i like the swedish away shirt with the yellow stripe a lot more than ours.
We used to have orange instead of red and it's thE colour of our royal family so that's a bit of a weird example.
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First one that came to my mind, there are probably a few others
Not an expert in netherlandish history
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Dang now they have green away jersey? lol
I liked the black one from WC 2010 way better. 
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How can you not like this? :D
But yeah, we will probably not get to see it anyway.
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I really hope Germany will win. been a big fan of their playstyle since world cup 2010. so exiting to watch compared to i.e Spain
Also I wonder if Poles are bitter about Podolski... I know I would be
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They look like they're Ireland or something
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On June 17 2012 09:05 SACtheXchng wrote:
If you buy and wear an away shirt because you think it "looks better" than our traditional white home kit, then you're anyways just a hipster, fashion, eventy, sommermärchen, bandwagon "fan", and your opinion doesn't count. Not that we're not grateful for your existance. You buying away jerseys helps the DFB a great deal. They make them for people like you to buy. Just please accept your place and refrain from voicing your opinion.
Thank you.
You embarrass other German fans with this kind of attitude.. That kind of elitism is completely unnecessary. Just because someone prefers the away design/has a preference of design doesn't mean they're a hipster or bandwagon fan.
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Apparently in this tournament Gomez has had possession of the ball for a total of 23 seconds. [citation needed]
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On June 18 2012 00:43 Stimp wrote:
Apparently in this tournament Gomez has had possession of the ball for a total of 23 seconds. [citation needed]
3 goals in 23 seconds. Talk about efficiency!
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On June 17 2012 22:22 don_kyuhote wrote:
They look like they're Ireland or something
Why not? We are a little bit Celtic anyway
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On June 18 2012 00:48 don_kyuhote wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 00:43 Stimp wrote:
Apparently in this tournament Gomez has had possession of the ball for a total of 23 seconds. [citation needed] 3 goals in 23 seconds. Talk about efficiency!
Talk about a bad player who just camps before the goal...
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On June 18 2012 01:48 Brow23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 00:48 don_kyuhote wrote:On June 18 2012 00:43 Stimp wrote:
Apparently in this tournament Gomez has had possession of the ball for a total of 23 seconds. [citation needed] 3 goals in 23 seconds. Talk about efficiency! Talk about a bad player who just camps before the goal...
I saw how bad he is by watching his last 2 goals 
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Brow's back to troll, hey there.
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Germany should easily take the Danes today. Steeeht aaaauf wenn ihr Deutsche seid. Gomez vor, noch ein Tor! Jaaaaaa!
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müller has to make that goal
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PODOLSKI YOU DOUBTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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When's the next Germany game most likely going to happen?
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If they are first in the group friday evening, if they are second thursday evening. If they are out, well then sometime next season.
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Okay, thanks, first place works out best for me, go germany!
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just want to mention that germany won 17 of their last 18 games. 14 games won in a row (without friendlies of course.)
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Congratulations Germany, putting the Dutch to shame to say the last, I will be cheering for you guys now, awesome play.
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How's the reaction been in Germany to switching Müller - Gomez - Podolski for Reus - Klose - Schürrle? Is it thought to have been a temporary and opponent specific change or is the new starting eleven something Löw is likely to field against Italy as well? Unfortunately I couldn't watch the game against Greece myself and Swedish media coverage of the German team kind of suck.
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The Germans probably thought they would beat Greece regardless of which 11 goes out and play.
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Germany has great depth. The change was opponent specific, yes, but it was also meant to stimulate competition and to keep everyone in the team motivated. No one but Löw knows who will be starting against Italy, some changes could well be permanent.
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people are generally happy to see reus, who has also been selected as best player of this season in the bundesliga, i believe. i like müller because he's a great guy and works hard, but he really hasn't been that efficient lately.
reus has also been very impressive as a replacement für müller and i wouldn't be suprised to see him start again next game.
podolski hasn't impressed in a while, and people are hoping to see him benched becuase we got so many great players still sitting on the bench.
schürrle was a good replacement for podolski imho. i just don't know if it was good enough to secure a spot in the starting 11.
alot of people also consider schürrle to be more efficient as a joker than a starting player.
reus, however, could also play on the left. i wouldn't be suprised if löw switched sides there.
schweinsteiger isn't in his best form atm, and i think the only reason he is playing is because of his "presence" on the field. but if he doesn't step up his game he might be replaced by kroos. another option would be gündogan, who however injuried himself in training this week i think.
boateng has been our weak spot against greece, and cannot be vs italy. bender has proven himself to be a good replacement. bender might get another chance.
gomez vs klose really depends on the opponents style of play. i feel gomez might be able to do something against italy.
and last but not least germany still has götze on the bench, the biggest talent we got atm. probably better than reus, too. i still think he is going to get his chance to prove himself in this tournament. :D
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Fielding Reus/Schürrle/Klose was an opponent-specific switch that was supposed to take Greece by surprise, but was leaked - there's been quite a discussion going on about who let those informations slip.
Considering player analysis, lefix is spot on. Müller will probably return for the semi, as will Gomez, while Reus may replace Podolski if Löw deems his defensive work acceptable. (Schürrle was decent against Greece, but lost possession a lot and played the pass that led to Greece equalizing - something German media have been bashing him about).
Schweinsteiger was one of the weakest players against Greece and is also slightly injured, and may be replaced by Kroos.
Funny enough, German media have largely neglected the role of Boateng in both of Greece's goals, therefore pressure on Löw to make a switch is very low (not that he commonly collapses to such pressure), but Boateng still presented himself as a weak point, while Bender seemed fine against Denmark.
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Thanks for the comments, interesting reads.
Just based on the German group stage games, I feel like Müller has been playing rather well, so instead replacing Podolski with Reus for the Italy game would indeed make more sense.
I think Boateng has been quite fine up until the Greece game. And if I recall correctly Bender has to take quite a bit of the blame for Denmark's 1-1 goal, allowing Bendter to assist Krohn-Dehli.
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On June 25 2012 17:31 DragoonTT wrote:
Fielding Reus/Schürrle/Klose was an opponent-specific switch that was supposed to take Greece by surprise, but was leaked - there's been quite a discussion going on about who let those informations slip.
Considering player analysis, lefix is spot on. Müller will probably return for the semi, as will Gomez, while Reus may replace Podolski if Löw deems his defensive work acceptable. (Schürrle was decent against Greece, but lost possession a lot and played the pass that led to Greece equalizing - something German media have been bashing him about).
Schweinsteiger was one of the weakest players against Greece and is also slightly injured, and may be replaced by Kroos.
Funny enough, German media have largely neglected the role of Boateng in both of Greece's goals, therefore pressure on Löw to make a switch is very low (not that he commonly collapses to such pressure), but Boateng still presented himself as a weak point, while Bender seemed fine against Denmark.
For one, Boateng was unlucky to get a penalty for his "handball". And yes he looked bad against Samaras before that goal, but - most people did not notice - it was because he was fouled by him. On the positive side he played very well against CR7.
Bender looked comfortable against Denmark, but Müller did a lot of defensive work on his side, even more so than usual, to support Bender. This of course takes away from Müller's offensive strength. Admittedly, Bender scored, but I still don't believe he is the better option than Boateng as right back.
Also Löw doesn't decide the line-up based on media pressure, or Klose wouldn't have played in 2010.
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Lol, Loew does not care one bit about media press and that's what I really love about him
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The best about the german team is that it doesn't really matter who plays in the next game.
Müller? Reus?
Schürrle? Podolski? Götze?
Schweinsteiger? Kroos?
Bender? Boateng?
Klose? Gomez?
The game of the german team does not depend on 2-3 players, so everyone can be replaced nearly on the same level.
You will also never see in a game that player xy was the clear matchwinner. Sure, there are always a few player, who shine (Hummels, Boateng + Badstuber vs Portugal) (Özil + Reus + Khedira vs Greece), but our team acts like one, and that is the big strength
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