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July 29th, 2012 04:35 GMT
  • NaNiwa vs JRecco
  • Kas vs Fraer
  • Welmu vs KeeN
  • Elfi vs Life
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With opening day behind us, TSL4 marches on with another set of matches which will mark the halfway point of the Round-of-32.

Quantic.NaNiwa vs d.JonnyREcco


se (P)Quantic.NaNiwa < Ohana > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco
se (P)Quantic.NaNiwa < Cloud Kingdom > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco
se (P)Quantic.NaNiwa < Metropolis > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco
se (P)Quantic.NaNiwa < Daybreak > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco
se (P)Quantic.NaNiwa < Ohana > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco



TSL3 runner-up NaNiwa comes into this tournament looking for redemption. After allowing ThorZaIN to come back from a 1 – 3 deficit to eventually win 4 – 3, NaNiwa placed the blame squarely on himself. Though it's been over a year since that loss, it doesn't seem like NaNiwa's the kind of guy to be over it. Not when he describes himself as the "TSL3 Loser."

NaNiwa might have hoped for an easy match to begin the tournament, but instead he faces a rather perplexing one in Scottish Zerg JonnyREcco, one that may be a check-up or a real challenge.

Only truly active in the pro scene beginning in 2012, JonnyREcco got his first taste of mainstream exposure when he placed third place at the Battle.net WCS UK nationals, scoring a victory against a much more famous Brit in DeMusliM along the way (Demu would repay the favor in the losers' bracket). JonnyREcco's young age of sixteen makes him seem more like a Korean prospect than one we would expect from the Western scene, and one can only speculate where he might end up. Just recently he was picked up by team Dignitas, who were rightfully intrigued by his talent.

Now, the reason JonnyREcco is a threat is not so much because of his own merits (of which he may have many we have yet to see), than it is because of NaNiwa's shortcomings. Though NaNiwa has had some notable, clutch PvZ performances in his career, 100% of his more recent Code S success was due to his prodigious PvP and PvT ability. On the other hand, there's a growing list of Zerg players who have eliminated him from prominent international tournaments. He was eliminated from WCS Sweden by SortOf, DreamHack Summer by DIMAGA, and DreamHack Stockholm by Nerchio and Slivko.

Of course, JonnyREcco can't yet be put on the same level of names such as DIMAGA and Nerchio, but it's not too much of a stretch to say that he can be put in a similar category of skilled, rising Zergs like SortOf and Slivko.

It's hard to say exactly why NaNiwa hasn't had much success with PvZ outside of Korea. He was even able to take DongRaeGu five games, vexing him with well prepared gate-nexus builds. With some of the best micro in or out of Korea and a talent for honing builds, you would think he could just use two-base all-ins to crush most of the international opposition (which would be a strange deja vu from 2010). One possibility is that NaNiwa has found his ideal environment in the GSL, where he has a week to dissect, analyze, and prepare for his opponent. International LANs are an entirely different scenario, where you face a rapidfire gauntlet of opponents.

Luckily for NaNiwa, this is as close to the GSL as it gets. Maybe there won't be dozens of VOD and replays to analyze for JonnyREcco like there will be for a Code S opponent, but NaNiwa still has an opportunity to prepare some player-independent builds for this match. This is essentially home court advantage for NaNiwa, and it would be disappointing if he lost.

NaNiwa 3 – 2 JonnyREcco


EmpireKas vs RoX.KIS.Fraer


ua (T)EmpireKas < Ohana > ua (P)RoX.KIS.fraer
ua (T)EmpireKas < Daybreak > ua (P)RoX.KIS.fraer
ua (T)EmpireKas < Metropolis > ua (P)RoX.KIS.fraer
ua (T)EmpireKas < Entombed Valley > ua (P)RoX.KIS.fraer
ua (T)EmpireKas < Ohana > ua (P)RoX.KIS.fraer



Like Hyun versus Major, a match between two friends, and Vortix versus Babyknight, a match between two up-and-coming foreigners, this match also features two players who share a bond, with both Kas and fraer hailing from Ukraine.

Out of all the relatively new foreigner names to qualify for the TSL, including Vortix, Babyknight, and Beastyqt, fraer might just be the scariest. Out of nowhere, fraer has popped up and started to make his presence felt on the scene. Previously known only for monopolizing online European tournaments, fraer made his name known to the general public at Dreamhack Summer where he reached top 4 after beating names like Dimaga, Puma, Vampire, and SaSe. Then, not too long after, fraer took second place in the RSL, an online Russian tourney featuring top Koreans in Bomber, Creator, and Losira. In this tournament, fraer himself personally took down Terran greats including Bomber and Lucifron. So what will it take to take down fraer and his seemingly unmatched momentum in the past month?

Perhaps it's the actual winner of RSL, Kas. In this aforementioned tournament with big names but limited coverage in the Anglo-sphere, Kas met fraer in both the Winners Bracket Finals and the Grand Finals, taking each series with a 3-1 map score. Even more impressive is the manner in which Kas won each game. Every one of the six games he won involved a long macro game, whereas the two games fraer took both involved him holding off one of Kas's all-ins. This is indicative of what Kas is known for: his strong macro play that has him consistently making units while supporting them with much faster upgrades than most Terrans prefer. Kas does not rely on overly flashy drop play, especially cute micro, or Terran trickery; he just makes a heavily upgraded army, drops when he can, attacks when he should, and wins the game. Another aspect of Kas's play that speaks to his late game prowess is his inclination to make a ton of ghosts; perhaps he gets this from his teammate, the true GhostKing, EmpireHappy. With these hidden warriors, Kas can blanket any late-game Protoss army in EMP and better soak up the AOE damage from the Protoss death-ball.

Kas's style of play is perfect for having a consistently good win-rate in mass games of ladder, something Kas is known for. In fact, in the last season of ladder, which lasted around two months, Kas accumulated over 1000 wins, averaging around 17 wins a day. This doesn't include his ladder losses, his custom training games, and his games in tournaments. From this statistic alone, you can tell how much Kas puts into this game, and how much he's willing to put into TSL4.

Many will suggest that Kas is just not as good as he used to be, at least compared to how much the scene has grown up around him. Seeing that he hasn't had a big tournament result in a while, critics of Kas will suggest that he is merely a ladder warrior, not capable of competing with more flamboyant Terrans like MKP and Taeja. To these people, might I remind you that Kas hasn't posted big LAN results because he doesn't attend too many LANs, but every one he does attend usually ends up in with a top placement. Remember IEM Kiev where Kas took third place when Koreans like HerO and Zenio were in attendance? Or perhaps you should look at the Copenhagen games back in April where Kas took the gold over other TSL4 players such as Welmu, Babyknight, and Elfi.

fraer, in contrast to Kas's standard macro style, plays one of the most unique Protoss styles that exist. Most casual viewers are familiar with Korean PvT, a mildly varied style that focuses on gateway pushes, fast thirds, and sometimes fast templar; most are even familiar with European PvT, style where Protoss just camps to 200/200 to build a death ball. But few truly know fraer PvT, and only when you see it can you truly understand it. fraer, much like the Protoss President himself, MC, likes to march to the beat of his own drum, ignoring Protoss conventions, and plays PvT the way he thinks it should be played. As such, you'll see builds like one gate fast expand into two gates (instead of the usual three) and one gate fast expand into blink + obs off of one gate; you'll see late game compositions that include both a whopping seven colossi and eight templar. If you're tired of standard Protoss play, definitely check out both fraer and this match.

Kas 3 – 1 fraer


MVPKeeN vs EC.Welmu


fi (P)EC.Welmu < Daybreak > kr (T)MVP_Keen
fi (P)EC.Welmu < Ohana > kr (T)MVP_Keen
fi (P)EC.Welmu < Entombed Valley > kr (T)MVP_Keen
fi (P)EC.Welmu < Cloud Kingdom > kr (T)MVP_Keen
fi (P)EC.Welmu < Daybreak > kr (T)MVP_Keen



The community let out a collective "Oh s***!" when Welmu crushed PuMa 2 – 0 at Summer Arena, only to be perplexed when he was eliminated one day later by GoOdy. It turned out that while PuMa couldn't deal with colossi at all, Welmu couldn't deal with GoOdy's maxed out armies either. Though those are quite amusing results, there's not much to deduce from them. It's not uncommon to see a foreigner score a massive upset at a live LAN, only to get eliminated by one of their peers in the next round. The fact is, skilled foreigners can beat Koreans in best 2 of 3's when they're playing at their best, and there aren't any serious implications when it happens (not that it stops it from being really interesting and entertaining).

On that note, Keen's limited international experiences don't suggest that he's going to fall victim to that kind of upset. Though he has lost to players like Stephano and NaNiwa in tournaments, those are two players at the top of the international pack. Otherwise, Keen's only been stopped by more established, more skilled Koreans in global competition.

Despite being a Code S player, Keen is someone who hard to put your finger on. Though he's a good player, he hasn't had much success going up against the elite players of the world in direct combat, and he's had to resort to taking risks or using all-ins to defeat those players. The one quote that might tell you all you need to know about Keen might be from his interview after he used consecutive proxy marine rush builds to defeat GSL silver medalist Squirtle last season: "After losing the first game, I thought Squirtle was better than me. So I gambled. It worked once, so I used it again." That's not necessarily a negative quality, however, as the ability to successfully cheese other players is an uncommon trait, and one that's useful in multi-game series.

With that in mind, Welmu's best chance at taking out Keen is probably the time tested deathball approach, looking to cut apart the Terran army with unlimited amounts of splash. Keen's late game TvP is good, but he's not an absolute maniac at infantry-splitting and templar-sniping like players such as TaeJa or aLive. A possible edge of Welmu is that Keen probably won't take him as seriously as he should, and will play macro games assuming that he will just win because he is the better player. That's dangerous thinking, as PuMa painfully learned.

KeeN 3 – 1 Welmu


ST_Life vs ROGelfi


fi (P)ROG.elfi < Cloud Kingdom > kr (Z)ST_Life
fi (P)ROG.elfi < Entombed Valley > kr (Z)ST_Life
fi (P)ROG.elfi < Daybreak > kr (Z)ST_Life
fi (P)ROG.elfi < Ohana > kr (Z)ST_Life
fi (P)ROG.elfi < Antiga Shipyard > kr (Z)ST_Life



The last match of the day pits two of the strangest players in TSL4 against each other. First we have the absurdly slow-handed, mechanically lacking, cat-video watching Elfi. Entire volumes of quotes could probably be gathered of what Elfi's contemporaries have to say about him behind the scenes, perplexed by how a player with such low APM, a player who shouldn't win according to Starcraft II common sense, actually keeps winning. However, he does win, and he wins a lot. The image on top of the Elfi fanclub is a pretty good representation of who he is: The aloof king of anarchy, burning down the established conventions one at a time. We fully expect Hot_Bid to open the APM tab several times during this match.

Then we have Life, the 15 year old Korean online phenom, whose willingness to six pool, eight minute nydus, or use any other kind of all-in at the drop of the dime seems to stem more from whimsy than a coldly calculating mind. Even beyond the early game, Life has shown a fondness for using nydus worms and drops in the mid game, which has won him more than a few easy games. Life caught some criticism for six-pooling twice in a row in the fifth and last Korean TLOpen final, causing some viewers to think he was throwing the match. In a vacuum, it may seem so. But in reality, that's just Life.

Put that all together, and where does that get you? At first, one might think Life's style is predictable enough that Elfi might take an advantage (though maybe he just watched cat videos instead of preparing). However, Life's sustained success suggests that knowing is less than half the battle. On top of that, Life is actually one of the most mechanically gifted players out there, and he's going to be favored even if he plays a standard game. Then again, this is elfi we're talking about, the guy who snapped Stephano's 30+ game ZvP streak with an immortal all-in, and Gatored thanked after lifting one of his builds to beat DongRaeGu at IEM New York.

At the end of the day, it's a battle between players who will have never had to face anything like each other. The Korean advantage says Life should win, but with elfi in the mix, would any result surprise you?

Life 3 – 0 Elfi






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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 29 2012 04:42 GMT
#2
Can't wait until tomorrow. Would like to start seeing some upsets maybe. Made TSL3 so crazy! I think anyone has a real chance of taking down their opponent tomorrow although I believe Elfi will have the hardest time vs Life who is just ridiculous
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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 04:44:10
July 29 2012 04:43 GMT
#3
Is it bad that I've never heard of JonnyREcco until he qualified for TSL4?
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33360 Posts
July 29 2012 04:44 GMT
#4
On July 29 2012 13:43 Whatson wrote:
Is it bad that I've never heard of JonnyREcco until he qualified for TSL4?


not really
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 29 2012 04:49 GMT
#5
Life is an extremely strong macro player, and I expect him to rely on his mechanics when playing Elfi.
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Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico14 Posts
July 29 2012 05:00 GMT
#6
Naniwa is amazing
DifuntO
Profile Joined November 2011
Greece2376 Posts
July 29 2012 05:10 GMT
#7
Naniwa - JonnyReeco and Welmu - Keen should be pretty good.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50118 Posts
July 29 2012 05:18 GMT
#8
On July 29 2012 13:43 Whatson wrote:
Is it bad that I've never heard of JonnyREcco until he qualified for TSL4?


I've never heard of thorzain until he made it to TSL3.
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GoodSirTets
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada200 Posts
July 29 2012 05:23 GMT
#9
Kas has been a monster for a while. Watching him play, you'd be shocked by how limited his tournament resume is.
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Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
July 29 2012 05:48 GMT
#10
gogo keen and life~!
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Profile Joined November 2011
Japan540 Posts
July 29 2012 05:52 GMT
#11
I've been a fan of Life ever since his days in ZeNEX. I'd be more than happy to see him finish in the top 3!
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Profile Joined November 2010
United States636 Posts
July 29 2012 06:11 GMT
#12
looking forward to elfi vs life, one of the most anagram-friendly matchups recently
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Netherlands8351 Posts
July 29 2012 06:12 GMT
#13
On July 29 2012 14:23 GoodSirTets wrote:
Kas has been a monster for a while. Watching him play, you'd be shocked by how limited his tournament resume is.


Kas has been a monstor for ages He's not called "the destroyer" for nothing.

It's an online tournament so Kas is going top 3 again.
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Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
July 29 2012 06:37 GMT
#14
On July 29 2012 15:11 ranjutan wrote:
looking forward to elfi vs life, one of the most anagram-friendly matchups recently


I didn't notice that before! Makes the matchup even more fun.
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
July 29 2012 06:52 GMT
#15
Massive chance of an upset here with Nani vs JonnyRecco, he's lost to so many foreign zergs, this up and comer is certainly a huge chance. I predicted 3-2 for NaNi as well, would hope his experience will get him through a bit further.

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Korea (South)123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 07:15:30
July 29 2012 06:52 GMT
#16
didn't jonnyrecco and nani used to be on a team? gonna be some mind games here
Zaphid
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Czech Republic1860 Posts
July 29 2012 07:03 GMT
#17
On July 29 2012 13:43 Whatson wrote:
Is it bad that I've never heard of JonnyREcco until he qualified for TSL4?

That's what the tournament is for, to give exposure to the players.
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China740 Posts
July 29 2012 07:19 GMT
#18
Excited to cheer for the two koreans tomorrow ^^
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United States550 Posts
July 29 2012 07:28 GMT
#19
pumped for more great bo5 tomorrow afternoon ;]
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KhAmun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1005 Posts
July 29 2012 07:29 GMT
#20
Wow I didn't realize recco was is only 16, kid has a bright future ahead of him.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
July 29 2012 07:48 GMT
#21
Ugh the white on black styling of this is making me see black lines when writing this reply.

I must root for Kas as he was the first Terran I truely admired.
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France294 Posts
July 29 2012 07:49 GMT
#22
i hope jRecco will destroy naniwa after his loss in wcs sweden :p
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Australia54784 Posts
July 29 2012 09:00 GMT
#23
gogo good games!!
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Risljaninasim
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Netherlands228 Posts
July 29 2012 09:13 GMT
#24
Elfi's gonna advance easily.
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Profile Joined June 2010
Hungary77 Posts
July 29 2012 09:13 GMT
#25
On July 29 2012 15:11 ranjutan wrote:
looking forward to elfi vs life, one of the most anagram-friendly matchups recently

Battle of the two files.
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Bulgaria281 Posts
July 29 2012 09:14 GMT
#26
On July 29 2012 18:13 Risljaninasim wrote:
Elfi's gonna advance easily.


Not in this Life.
StaplerPhone
Profile Joined March 2011
United States813 Posts
July 29 2012 09:37 GMT
#27
On July 29 2012 18:14 OutOfMyMind_pro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 18:13 Risljaninasim wrote:
Elfi's gonna advance easily.


Not in this Life.

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Milvus
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland400 Posts
July 29 2012 10:12 GMT
#28
Really, really,good Preview! Providing every match with a story line like that is amazing work and should be done more often innSC2. Cant wait! Thanks Teamliquid!
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
July 29 2012 10:13 GMT
#29
Predictions:

NaNiwa 3-1 JonnyREcco
Kas 3-1 fraer
Welmu 3-2 Keen
Life 3-0 elfi
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Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
July 29 2012 10:20 GMT
#30
Great read as usual! I can see some upsets happening with Naniwa and Kas losing to Johnnyrecco/Fraer
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Profile Joined June 2012
United States11 Posts
July 29 2012 10:48 GMT
#31
Can't wait to see that elfi game. He did so good in IEM, so I can't wait to see him play again.
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Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden66 Posts
July 29 2012 10:56 GMT
#32
Always the subtle "hating" on Naniwa from you Wax You don't disguise it aswell as you think.
JohnnyREcco is truly one of the zergs riding the zerg-op-train, but he's infact nowhere near Naniwa or other zergs in this tourney (LaLuSh excl.) in skill or chances.

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He had the same don't-give-a-f*** attitude from his stream, where he all-ins every game and shamelessly plays three ads.
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Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
July 29 2012 11:38 GMT
#33
Well the predictions for TSL4 were almost score-perfect yesterday and again I agree, so let's see hey?
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soiii
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany266 Posts
July 29 2012 12:20 GMT
#34
Will be interesting to see how Naniwa approaches the game versus JohnnyREcco after his recent problems against zerg. If Naniwa doesn't prepare something special I think Johnny has this.
MrMercuG
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2389 Posts
July 29 2012 12:21 GMT
#35
NaNiWa 3-1 JonnyREcco
Kas 1-3 Fraer
Welmu 1-3 KeeN
Life 3-0 Elfi
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
July 29 2012 12:53 GMT
#36
On July 29 2012 19:56 Nuubie wrote:
Always the subtle "hating" on Naniwa from you Wax You don't disguise it aswell as you think.

Apparently he does since you're the only one who sees it.


The description of Life sounds more like Line. I can't remember if I caught many of Life's games in the qualifiers, but in GSL he comes off as a much more macro oriented player.
Huragius
Profile Joined September 2010
Lithuania1506 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 13:04:31
July 29 2012 13:03 GMT
#37
I think Welmu is capable of beating Keen if he plays at his best.
Also, I don't think JonnyREcco is capable of taking down NaNiWa. NaNiWa is on another level.
NaNiWa 3-1 JonnyREcco
Kas 3-1 / 3-2 Fraer
Welmu 3-2/ 2-3 Keen (can go either way)
Life 3-1 Elfi
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
July 29 2012 13:06 GMT
#38
TL, you are awesome at writeups. It's great in any sport, creating a narrative to keep it from being matches in a vacuum and adding drama Well done!
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Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
July 29 2012 13:52 GMT
#39
These games look good, Hope we see some foreigner over Korean upsets!
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kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
July 29 2012 13:55 GMT
#40
I hope fraer wins, he is my darkhorse for the tsl4
RotterdaM
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands684 Posts
July 29 2012 14:08 GMT
#41
Looking forward to nani vs Johnnyrecco and Kas vs Fraer, I can see kas fraer going 3-2 either way, will be fun, hope I am able to watch it ^_^
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eme
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland105 Posts
July 29 2012 14:18 GMT
#42
Just checking, are these games being played live?
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
July 29 2012 14:30 GMT
#43
I got Jonny taking Nani for some reason, and of course, looking for some Keen domination! Should be some good games!
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 14:33:24
July 29 2012 14:31 GMT
#44
On July 29 2012 23:18 eme wrote:
Just checking, are these games being played live?

No, replays.

I'm so unsure who I want to win.

I'd love to see fraer vs Life, but on the other hand, if elfi wins, I'd love Kas to play him.

My hopes for Kas to beat Life in a TvZ are not that big, I'd give fraer a much bigger chance.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
July 29 2012 14:37 GMT
#45
I have a feeling that Fraer will take this. Kas has been stagnated over the last year both in terms of results and actual in-game performance level, and stagnation is never a good sign (actually I'd say long term stagnation is a lot worse than slumping for a few months). I feel that Fraer is more hungry for it at this point, although he too seems to have cooled down after his initial (re)breakout a few months ago.

Although Kas did beat him in that Russian league thing recently, so there's that.
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
July 29 2012 14:41 GMT
#46
GOOO GOOO KEEN!!!!

And I can't wait to see what Life has up his six-pooly sleeves.

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wraggy1234
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom135 Posts
July 29 2012 15:22 GMT
#47
Excellent write-up, informative and well written.

Can't disagree with any of the predictions either. Hurry up and start then, cba watching the Olympics for 2 and a half more hours!
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RUFinalBoss
Profile Joined May 2012
United States266 Posts
July 29 2012 15:29 GMT
#48
LOL elfi loses 0 - 3 seriously liquid? the whole article was downsizaing him to smh
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SayGen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1209 Posts
July 29 2012 15:44 GMT
#49
Not a single TvZ aww.

Oh well I am still looking forward ot Empire Kas.
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LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
July 29 2012 16:20 GMT
#50
Life 3-0
Naniwa 3-2
fraer 3-1 Kas
Keen 3-2 Welmu
hmm... let's think about it
s1ege
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)123 Posts
July 29 2012 16:42 GMT
#51
I'd say jonny can beat nani because:

1. Nani blows against foreign zergs
2. they used to be on the same team so mind games....
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 29 2012 16:47 GMT
#52
On July 29 2012 21:53 Gorlin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 19:56 Nuubie wrote:
Always the subtle "hating" on Naniwa from you Wax You don't disguise it aswell as you think.

Apparently he does since you're the only one who sees it.


The description of Life sounds more like Line. I can't remember if I caught many of Life's games in the qualifiers, but in GSL he comes off as a much more macro oriented player.


Before this GSL Life was well-known as a player who would never all-in under any circumstance. He was one of the few zerg players who did not do 1-2 base all-ins in any matchups. He always went for 3 bases with fast lair.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33360 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 16:48:34
July 29 2012 16:48 GMT
#53
On July 30 2012 01:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 21:53 Gorlin wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:56 Nuubie wrote:
Always the subtle "hating" on Naniwa from you Wax You don't disguise it aswell as you think.

Apparently he does since you're the only one who sees it.


The description of Life sounds more like Line. I can't remember if I caught many of Life's games in the qualifiers, but in GSL he comes off as a much more macro oriented player.


Before this GSL Life was well-known as a player who would never all-in under any circumstance. He was one of the few zerg players who did not do 1-2 base all-ins in any matchups. He always went for 3 bases with fast lair.


eh, maybe pre 2012-ish

he does love his nydus crap
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
July 29 2012 16:53 GMT
#54
On July 30 2012 01:48 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 30 2012 01:47 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On July 29 2012 21:53 Gorlin wrote:
On July 29 2012 19:56 Nuubie wrote:
Always the subtle "hating" on Naniwa from you Wax You don't disguise it aswell as you think.

Apparently he does since you're the only one who sees it.


The description of Life sounds more like Line. I can't remember if I caught many of Life's games in the qualifiers, but in GSL he comes off as a much more macro oriented player.


Before this GSL Life was well-known as a player who would never all-in under any circumstance. He was one of the few zerg players who did not do 1-2 base all-ins in any matchups. He always went for 3 bases with fast lair.


eh, maybe pre 2012-ish

he does love his nydus crap


Not pre-2012. He is still the exact same way now.
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Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 17:14:31
July 29 2012 17:13 GMT
#55
I find it hard to believe that the person that made the predictions do not already know the results.

edit: unless the predictions were written a long time ago.
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 18:17:22
July 29 2012 17:20 GMT
#56
On July 30 2012 02:13 Derrida wrote:
I find it hard to believe that the person that made the predictions do not already know the results.

edit: unless the predictions were written a long time ago.



Holy shit, waxangel can see into the future?

O.O IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!

edit: TSL isnt live, should pay more attention to events tbh. I am unhappy.

Im also a fool!
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
July 29 2012 17:35 GMT
#57
I make all the predictions and I don't know the results.
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Dac
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada538 Posts
July 29 2012 17:53 GMT
#58
On July 30 2012 02:35 NrGmonk wrote:
I make all the predictions and I don't know the results.

but you didn't write the text?
Dac
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada538 Posts
July 29 2012 17:55 GMT
#59
When were the games played? a week ago, a few days ago? I'm wondering if naniwa was in europe...
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
July 29 2012 18:02 GMT
#60
Yesterday rooted for Hyun and he lost...
Today gona try the same thing for JohnnyRecco,hope he puts up a good fight.
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BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 18:23:45
July 29 2012 18:09 GMT
#61
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
July 29 2012 19:43 GMT
#62
Rofl such a bad loser xD...no thx, go home >.>
grimbar
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom6 Posts
July 29 2012 19:46 GMT
#63
yes go DJ Recco!
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DYEAlabaster
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1009 Posts
July 29 2012 20:09 GMT
#64
On July 29 2012 13:44 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 13:43 Whatson wrote:
Is it bad that I've never heard of JonnyREcco until he qualified for TSL4?


not really


Well he did win WCS UK, so... I would say that you should have at least HEARD of him
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 20:27:59
July 29 2012 20:27 GMT
#65
On July 30 2012 05:09 DYEAlabaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2012 13:44 Waxangel wrote:
On July 29 2012 13:43 Whatson wrote:
Is it bad that I've never heard of JonnyREcco until he qualified for TSL4?


not really


Well he did win WCS UK, so... I would say that you should have at least HEARD of him


He did 3rd place, and I heard nothing of him until I watched WCS UK :> so its nothing bad to not know him yet :>

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Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
July 29 2012 21:16 GMT
#66
Damn Naners so close.
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sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
July 29 2012 22:00 GMT
#67
so life 3-0 elfi and naniwa 3-2 JRecco? xD
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Drorctopus
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands135 Posts
July 29 2012 22:15 GMT
#68
I didn't really watch Life vs Elfi because i thought life would win for sure. So i was quite suprised when it was 2-0 for elfi xD
ArcadeR
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-29 22:23:18
July 29 2012 22:20 GMT
#69
On July 30 2012 07:00 sVnteen wrote:
so life 3-0 elfi and naniwa 3-2 JRecco? xD


JR 3-1 Nani, and it was pretty close to a 3-0 for him.

*edit* Facepalm* sorry, didnt get it ... >.>.. xD...*edit*


beesinyoface
Profile Joined May 2012
2450 Posts
July 29 2012 23:28 GMT
#70
Really disappointed about some of the results today, but that's just how some things go. A lot of fresh faces in this tournament so far doing well, will be very interesting.

Also, great writeup as usual, makes the hype for the matches even that much more intense.
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MrSandman
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia188 Posts
July 30 2012 00:18 GMT
#71
There goes my bracket XD
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
July 30 2012 03:05 GMT
#72
Such a huge upset with Naniwa going down 1-3, although PvZ is his worst match up by far. Gonna go watch the games now to see how Naniwa lost.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 30 2012 03:08 GMT
#73
INTERVIEWS i want to hear what they said haha ;p
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Insomni7
Profile Joined June 2011
667 Posts
July 30 2012 03:29 GMT
#74
Does anyone know who writes these predictions? Because they are very well thought out and informative to read.
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
July 30 2012 05:26 GMT
#75
Hahaha JonnyRecco won!
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
July 30 2012 18:58 GMT
#76
On July 30 2012 12:29 Insomni7 wrote:
Does anyone know who writes these predictions? Because they are very well thought out and informative to read.

Wax and Tree do most of them. I did Kas vs fraer.
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chris5180
Profile Joined July 2012
198 Posts
July 31 2012 14:08 GMT
#77
i didn't know Recco was only 16, i think he has a great future
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 31 2012 14:34 GMT
#78
On July 31 2012 23:08 chris5180 wrote:
i didn't know Recco was only 16, i think he has a great future

i hope sc2 works out for him, haha, with him dropping out of education and all o.O
seems harder to do as a foreigner than a korean
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