quick question: if there are dedicated qualifiers for tsl 4, what about all the tl open that happened so far?
I thought they were supposed to be some sort of qualifier for an invitational tournament?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/TeamSpeak_TL_Open_26

Gladiator6

Sweden7024 Posts

May 22 2012 05:28 GMT

#83

Nice map tweaks also :D

Gonff

United States686 Posts

May 22 2012 05:30 GMT

#84

Ouch. So incredibly disappointed with the Open times. I will not be able to watch a single live Open this time around and they were my favorite part of TSL3 :'(

I understand that the wonky scheduling is to accommodate traveling pros, and that these are just qualifiers rather than the main event, but I still would have liked to see at least a little more weight given to the interests of average NA viewers and aspiring amateur players.

Thank you so much for putting on another TSL. I'm still really looking forward to it, but my unbridled excitement definitely cooled a bit after reading this news...

Edit: Wait. The games will be casted from replays like last time, right? If they'll be broadcast later on when viewing is more convenient then please disregard my whining

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On May 22 2012 15:05 Hot_Bid wrote:

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The broadcasts will start roughly 4pm EDT, and will last ~3 hours.

Thanks for clearing that up, Hot_Bid!

Champloo

Germany1850 Posts

May 22 2012 05:36 GMT

#85

Is there a good reason why you did not seperate the NA and EU qualifiers? It's a bit hard to expect players to play in 10 qualifiers for 1 event and if they only participate in the EU ones they may fall off in points due to lesser players just playing in all 10 of them.

Edit: I love the schedule btw, very EU friendly.

Hot_Bid

Braavos36379 Posts

May 22 2012 06:05 GMT

#86

On May 22 2012 14:30 Gonff wrote:
Ouch. So incredibly disappointed with the Open times. I will not be able to watch a single live Open this time around and they were my favorite part of TSL3 :'(

I understand that the wonky scheduling is to accommodate traveling pros, and that these are just qualifiers rather than the main event, but I still would have liked to see at least a little more weight given to the interests of average NA viewers and aspiring amateur players.

Thank you so much for putting on another TSL. I'm still really looking forward to it, but my unbridled excitement definitely cooled a bit after reading this news...

Edit: Wait. The games will be casted from replays like last time, right? If they'll be broadcast later on when viewing is more convenient then please disregard my whining

The broadcasts will start roughly 4pm EDT, and will last ~3 hours.

frontline-

Bulgaria281 Posts

May 22 2012 06:06 GMT

#87

I intend to participate but I don't have a NA account so playing only EU means I got fuck all chance to advance. I don't understand why you guys didn't split them 5 for NA and 5 for EU / with only NA players playing in the NA ones and only EU players playing in the EU ones / This is s quite terrible for people like me ; / I'm not gonna splash 50 euros to buy a NA client / account just to try to qualify for this tournament. And its fucking sad because I've been waiting to play in the qualifiers since forever ... ; /

Loophole

United States867 Posts

May 22 2012 06:12 GMT

#88

Does this mean people outside of Europe/NA/KR/South America can't qualify? For instance, if you live in Japan, can you still qualify somehow?

Incanus

Canada695 Posts

May 22 2012 06:14 GMT

#89

Read Antoine's post on the last page...

See.Blue

United States2673 Posts

May 22 2012 06:16 GMT

#90

Will Kespa allow players under contract to attempt the Korean qualifiers?

DreamOen

Spain1400 Posts

May 22 2012 07:12 GMT

#91

A little bit more than "usuall" separated spots for foreigners than for koreans. (and I still think that at the end, something must be done with the TBLS , like it happened with koreans in TSL3.) So much stories coming.

Insane

United States4991 Posts

May 22 2012 07:17 GMT

#92

The conditions for who can play where seem haphazardly put together.

To play in EU/NA tournaments, the player must:

Live in North America or Europe; OR
Be a citizen of a North American or European country; OR
Live in South America

To play in Korea, the player must:

Live in Korea; OR
Be a citizen of Korea

Players who qualify for both must elect whether they wish to participate in the 10 EU/NA tournaments or the 5 Korean tournaments. Those in China, Taiwan, and SEA may choose to play in either the EU/NA tournaments or in the Korean events. Players in South America will play on the EU/NA qualifiers.

Why is the condition for playing in Korea not simply "Live in Asia or be a Korean citizen", instead of having a one-off exception for people in SEA/Taiwan/China being allowed to play Korea and the condition for EU/NA "not live in Korea or be a citizen of a non-Korean country". That seems like it would cover the intent of the rules, without being so needlessly complicated.
Why is there this second mention of South America for no reason?

Also chalk me up as another sorely disappointed in the regression that you're only holding qualifiers on weekdays now. What happened to TSL3, where you held them on weekends? Do you really think the TSL is so unimportant to pros that they won't be able to make time for it on weekends...? If that's really TL's judgment on the tournament, then I'd question whether the time is right to have the tournament at all.

IPS.Mardow.

Germany713 Posts

May 22 2012 07:27 GMT

#93

Shit, no good times for me :/

Won't be able to participate :[

actionbastrd

Congo598 Posts

May 22 2012 07:29 GMT

#94

I really enjoy the map pool. A great selection of maps and the alterations for spawns, with the removal of gold bases was an excellent choice. It shows TL knows they are knowlageable about what they are doing. Super excited to see the results of TSL4. Always a pleasure to watch.

JustPassingBy

10776 Posts

May 22 2012 07:35 GMT

#95

On May 22 2012 15:06 OutOfMyMind_pro wrote:
I intend to participate but I don't have a NA account so playing only EU means I got fuck all chance to advance. I don't understand why you guys didn't split them 5 for NA and 5 for EU / with only NA players playing in the NA ones and only EU players playing in the EU ones / This is s quite terrible for people like me ; / I'm not gonna splash 50 euros to buy a NA client / account just to try to qualify for this tournament. And its fucking sad because I've been waiting to play in the qualifiers since forever ... ; /

Shouldn't you be glad that your "home" qualifiers won't be overrun by Korean progamers?

edit: Nvm, Koreans are only allowed to participate in their own qualifiers. Reeks of protectionism. ^^"
On the other hand, there are more seats reserved for players on the Korean region, compared to seats reserved for EU or NA,
so I guess it's not as bad.

Aenur

Germany66 Posts

May 22 2012 07:47 GMT

#96

I just searched for the maps out of the mappool. Almost all have two versions available, the second version is marked as "cloaked", what does that mean? Sorry if this is a stupid question xD.

edit: thanks for the answer =)

Clafou

Belgium921 Posts

May 22 2012 07:58 GMT

#97

On May 22 2012 16:47 Aenur wrote:
I just searched for the maps out of the mappool. Almost all have two versions available, the second version is marked as "cloaked", what does that mean? Sorry if this is a stupid question xD.

I think that "cloaked" maps mean that you can't watch build orders/unit information/score/... after the match.

Klogon

MURICA15980 Posts

May 22 2012 08:03 GMT

#98

Woooooo yeaaah baby

MIKster

Germany333 Posts

May 22 2012 08:21 GMT

#99

I. Can. Not. Wait. :D

Wroshe

Netherlands1051 Posts

May 22 2012 08:51 GMT

#100

On May 22 2012 09:18 Zeroxk wrote:
What's with the NA qualifer time? Amateurs who work/go to school won't be able to join

Honestly the people that are meant to play in these will be able to. Just a few enthousiasts now won't be able to play in the qualifiers but they very likely had no chance to qualify to begin with.