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[TSL4] Qualifier and Map Information - Page 9

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Fijnkonijn
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands48 Posts
May 22 2012 22:23 GMT
#161
On May 23 2012 01:18 Robinsa wrote:
Since when is TL Open traditional? The first one was run a year ago or so right? ^^

I hope this TSL will be blessed with as good games as the last one. That would be plenty of fun!
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 01:01 Fijnkonijn wrote:
I really like the possibility of qualifying by points despite the small chance that people could possibly throw a game in the finals of a qualifier because they already have enough points to qualify for the tournament anyway, while their opponent (a friend) does not.

That small chance is nothing though compared to the fact that well performing players can still qualify when unlucky in the finals, so it's worth the chance.

Looking forward to TSL4<3

I dont think youre allowed to play once youre qualified. I belive it was that way last year.


Sorry, maybe I didn't explain myself properly.

Yes, if you win an open you are qualified. But if you have not yet won a qualifier and have done well in previous ones, you could end up playing the finals from a qualifier while you are because of the 100 points you get for second place, qualified at that point (Could obviously only be said near the last few qualifiers). So you could throw the game if you were playing someone who you would like to see in the TSL4. (Because again, with the 100 points for second place you are qualified).

Chance for this happening are rather small however, I'm sure that before the last qualifiers someone has a significant point lead from previous qualifiers he or she played and it's obvious they are qualified without having won a final from the qualifier, they would be excluded from participating for this reason.

Tried explaining a little bit better, lol.
Think of something to say by yourself.
goswser
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3548 Posts
May 23 2012 04:33 GMT
#162
These are all really fun to play in, and I think I have a much better chance this time around. Looking forward to this
say you were born into a jungle indian tribe where food was scarce...would you run around from teepee to teepee stealing meat scraps after a day lazying around doing nothing except warming urself by a fire that you didn't even make yourself? -rekrul
michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
May 23 2012 08:51 GMT
#163
whaaaaaa 12 june is still so far away.... Just too excited for this :D
- me (L) competitive gaming -
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 23 2012 09:20 GMT
#164
On May 23 2012 07:23 Fijnkonijn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 01:18 Robinsa wrote:
Since when is TL Open traditional? The first one was run a year ago or so right? ^^

I hope this TSL will be blessed with as good games as the last one. That would be plenty of fun!
On May 23 2012 01:01 Fijnkonijn wrote:
I really like the possibility of qualifying by points despite the small chance that people could possibly throw a game in the finals of a qualifier because they already have enough points to qualify for the tournament anyway, while their opponent (a friend) does not.

That small chance is nothing though compared to the fact that well performing players can still qualify when unlucky in the finals, so it's worth the chance.

Looking forward to TSL4<3

I dont think youre allowed to play once youre qualified. I belive it was that way last year.


Sorry, maybe I didn't explain myself properly.

Yes, if you win an open you are qualified. But if you have not yet won a qualifier and have done well in previous ones, you could end up playing the finals from a qualifier while you are because of the 100 points you get for second place, qualified at that point (Could obviously only be said near the last few qualifiers). So you could throw the game if you were playing someone who you would like to see in the TSL4. (Because again, with the 100 points for second place you are qualified).

Chance for this happening are rather small however, I'm sure that before the last qualifiers someone has a significant point lead from previous qualifiers he or she played and it's obvious they are qualified without having won a final from the qualifier, they would be excluded from participating for this reason.

Tried explaining a little bit better, lol.

The biggest issue raised with the qualifier system last season was the fact that getting second once virtually guaranteed qualification. We examined last seasons qualifier and set about improving it based off of feedback. Last season it was weighted so that Ro2 < 2x Ro4 < 4xRo8, but this season we have that Ro2 < Ro4+Ro8 < 2xRo4 < 3xRo8 which means that its significantly easier to break 100 points in comparison to last season. We hope that this will address the "100 points and in" problem that happened last season.
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Sankanyo
Profile Joined August 2011
United States140 Posts
May 23 2012 15:32 GMT
#165
Cant wait for this new TSL season. I'm curious if ThorZain can defend his title. ^^;
DuraLot
Profile Joined January 2012
Norway32 Posts
May 23 2012 16:31 GMT
#166
Who is going to cast the qualifiers, do you allow for smaller casters to volunteer?
Odanrot
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States37 Posts
May 23 2012 23:01 GMT
#167
How do you sign up for the qualifiers :p
Play the game like a RPG, if you don't play you will not level up; you will always be behind.
SirRobin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States269 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 14:21:40
May 25 2012 14:19 GMT
#168
I'm confused, why can't EU tournaments start around 12 am EDT and NA tournaments start at 5pm EDT? Why do many Europeans get to play around 5pm every tournament while NA competitors will play, on average, at 10 am?


Why do both regions have to be at the same time? Just because NA can compete in EU tournaments and EU can compete in the NA tournaments doesn't mean they need start at the same time.

You're essentially saying EU player's best time to compete is 5 pm, yet NA players seem to only be able to play at 10 am? Why can't NA play at 5pm as well?... If 5pm EDT is too late for EU players, maybe make it 4pm, and if that's too late for some, it's probably a very small margin. Let's have 5 tournaments for both regions with the best time slot possible for that region, and then if a player's schedule is flexible, they can join a EU tournament that's 11 am EDT, or a NA tournament that's 5pm EDT.

We're gamers, if someone can't stay up until 12-1 am to play, but can make a 10-11 am tournament, something's wrong

https://twitter.com/SirRobinSC2
Bonkarooni
Profile Joined October 2010
United States383 Posts
May 25 2012 21:38 GMT
#169
Blows my mind that you couldn't added at least one or two qualifiers on the weekend. I get that you want professional players to have a chance, but if you looked at the upcoming event schedule...there were a few weekends you could of scheduled tournaments on.

Oh well. So much for getting new players into the scene -.-
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 26 2012 01:09 GMT
#170
Ew. I'd rather have one of the older maps in the place of Korhal Compound or Entombed Valley, I hate both those maps.

But yeah, how do you sign up for the qualifier? I'd give it a shot, there's no chance in hell I'd make it but I just want to see how close I can get.

That said, hoping ThorZain wins again or some random scrub comes and beats all the good players just like TSL3
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Acied
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany21 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-26 22:05:09
May 26 2012 22:04 GMT
#171
Ahh Metropolis
But it's awesome
Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
May 28 2012 04:02 GMT
#172
Why are all the qualifiers during school/work hours?
"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - Aldous Huxley
Sleet
Profile Joined January 2011
United States139 Posts
May 28 2012 06:54 GMT
#173
How do we sign up? I can't figure out how.
@SLeetscgames
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
May 28 2012 14:46 GMT
#174
Signing up will be done TLOpen style. As in, we'll create separate sign ups for each event which you can register to attend. These will be done closer to the date
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Wroshe
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-28 15:13:23
May 28 2012 15:11 GMT
#175
Decision to change the points works out very well, even though I would have reduced the points on second place by a small margin as well.

I took a test in an excel sheet (PM if you want me to host it) and it raised the cut off points to 141 points instead of the 103 at TSL3. I simply took the old qualifiers but used the new scoring system.

With regards to the playing field that would have only made 1 difference (SeleCT would have qualified instead of ZeeRaX) but the seeding for the main bracket would have been very different.

In the old ranking you had TLO > Ciara/MorroW (how did that tiebreaker get resolved?) > Goody > Adelscott/Fenix (tied) > Zeerax > Strelok.

In the new ranking you have MorroW > TLO > Strelok > Fenix > Ciara > SeleCT > Goody > Adelscott.

--

Now the most important thing: In the new system you have 21 man breaking 100 points, instead of 10. This very much shows that the system worked in making finishing 2nd less valuable.

Quick facts about the other scoring system:
- You'd have had Nada-Morrow as Ro32 matchup
- You'd also have had MC-TLO or Jinro-TLO, depending on the tie breaker (old situation had a tie)
- KiWiKaKi just missed out on qualifying, ending on 136 points
- KiWiKaKi and dde are by far the most consistent players, scoring points at 6 qualifiers.
- You can still get in by scoring at only 2 qualifiers (Adelscott did it), however you have to make the finals once and get to Ro8 the other time. This is an improvement as before ZeeRax also qualified with a Ro16 and a second place, however this time he didn't make it.
Peak123
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden29 Posts
May 28 2012 16:39 GMT
#176
hype
WarriorHC
Profile Joined May 2012
United States15 Posts
May 29 2012 03:26 GMT
#177
So when can you sign up for the tournaments?
rANDY
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United Kingdom748 Posts
May 29 2012 20:25 GMT
#178
Been looking around for the rules but not been able to find them. Have they been released yet or am I just blind? :D
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
May 31 2012 14:43 GMT
#179
They're on Tuesday and Wednesday... all of them...

Welp, after I get out of camp I'll make weeks 4 and 5 so glhf
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
May 31 2012 16:15 GMT
#180
6:00pm EEST what time is it in CET?
750/750 emotions fully stacked
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