TSL3 Korean Netizen Reactions - Page 7
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unoriginalname
England380 Posts
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On March 22 2011 04:15 FliedLice wrote: Thorzain and Morrow really impressing the koreans :O hasuobs just confuses them with his name alone and whitera is a 34y old farmer with children only playing during the winter, rofl :D i love how there are those crazy rumours about the foreign scene there, like the mothership being the uber unit on the NA server Hahahaa I'm laughing at all of it. I love how even the two communities (TL and Korean) are watching what the other is saying. | ||
DomiNater
United States527 Posts
What? You do know that is an entirely possible scenario right? | ||
Kreb
4834 Posts
On March 22 2011 04:21 VirGin wrote: Morrow getting more respect from the koreans than from us on TL lol =P But overall their impressions seem to mirror what you can read on the LR threads here. Thats what i thought too. And I agree. Morrow and Thorzain: Impressive. White-ra: So-so. Hasu: Undecided....PvP. But played solid. Ciara/Nightend: Unimpressive. | ||
zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
On March 22 2011 04:45 ParasitJonte wrote: Yes, because the korean netizens seem to have a better understanding of the game. After morrow lost on xel'naga there were a bunch of "morrow can't macro vs jinro LOL" comments that were just utterly stupid. Koreans identify immediately that morrow was basically dead, and still managed to play that well. This really, really, really, really bugs me for some reason... I think we should keep in mind that Gisado is casting the games in Korean, and he may be pointing out different things than what Wheat/Husky pointed out. I don't remember them saying how amazing Morrow was at his macro behind his bad start, but Gisado could have talked much more about that. Commentators can have a big influence in public perception. | ||
strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
On March 22 2011 07:13 strongandbig wrote: It's too bad the Korean netizens don't know that the TSL switches servers back and forth... Unless KR vs EU games are all played on NA because the KR-EU lag is so awful, but I know for NA-EU games they switch servers back and forth, so hopefully they do something like that for the Korean players too. I think having a system like that really increases the legitimacy of play between foreigners and Koreans, and also makes things like Thorzain beating FD more impressive. That is exactly right, KR EU is played all on NA because the lag is so bad KR EU | ||
PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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ilmman
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
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thezergk
United States492 Posts
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Crazyeyes
Canada1342 Posts
I friggen love you. =D Glad that you decided to pick some nicer posts out, too. The first translation or two seemed to only translate the bad comments x_x | ||
vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On March 22 2011 02:58 Nostalgia.NA wrote: + Show Spoiler + Rest of the stuff. White-Ra vs Loner "After a failed blue flame hellions, I think GGing and leaving is certainly the way to go lol" "It wasn't even blue flames" "Ah, my bad hellion drops lol" "Do these guys not know Shakuras spawn points are far positions only?" "No way lol" "They both scouted close positions lol" "They're both probably scouting for proxies, there's no way Loner's never done Shakuras" "Who builds proxies at those locations? lol" "Oh wait, you're right lol" "The toss should win this" "The zealots are just outshined by the colossi and you don't really see them too well, but as a terran, a bunch of zealots are so damn much more annoying compared to a bunch of colossi" "Why'd he pull back just there? Couldn't the marauders win there? Just one colossus and some stalkers..he had 3 vikings and marauders. It looked like they could've gotten that" "I think it was because of the warp gates. If 5 or more zealots came, the remaining units would've been caught" "If the marauders went in, he would've lost heavily. Warp gates were summoning stuff in and there was another colossus" "But I still think it would've been better than running away while losing units. I wasn't talking about going to attack the toss, but standing his ground and taking care of the units that were left" "Considering the counter attack, I think he made the right call running. The stalkers were blink stalkers too so.." "I want to see set 4 but I'm so sleepy..Jinro vs MorroW..but I'm about to collapse" -Knetizen feeling the pain of foreigners watching GSL- "I feel sorry for Loner in the final match...after the medivac pressure there was a timing where he could've gone in when the toss had 2 colossi..but he gave White-Ra too much time and lost it" "Marauder running away from stalker while getting hit....huh? (probably a joke pointing out the irony of stalker chasing marauder when it's usually the other way around with concussive shell, I think)" "Yea, this is my first time seeing White-Ra's games. He seems very weak in the early game and it's a shame Loner couldn't figure that out. White-Ra seems to like macro games with focus on upgrades and exploding in the late game..but Loner's a macro type too so..lol" "That was like watching a normal ladder PvT. But still there were no carriers or motherships like the rumors say..I've heard that in the NA server, motherships are like hax good...It felt like watching a ladder game of mine heh" "I play on NA, but I have yet to see a mothership;;; It's all a rumor" "Huk!!! Let's be surprised after watching this 2nd set Huk!!" Huk vs HasuObs "Why do they keep reading the names wrong since yesterday? Just who the hell is HaobsuhObs?" "Link to games please!!" "Click live stream at Gomplayer!" "They said they've asked an English speaker to read it and are imitating what they heard;" "It must be the same thing as a foreigner trying to imitate and say "안녕하세요('Hello' in Korean)" and having a completely different sound coming out...But his ID means 'Hasu Observer'. The ID was made in Korean and yet.." "Yesterday..you mean the Tyler, Taylor thing right? Anyways, who knows? They're not retards, it can't be that they can't read HasuObs" "Tyler as Taylor, ThorZaIN as Throzen, HasuObs as HaobsuhObs...you don't necessarily have to be retards to not be able to read" "Oh they're reading it as HausObs..maybe a German person read it as HausObs to them" "Just reading it as HasuObs is correct" "They're saying they're interlocking with TeamLiquid and reading them as they're read. Why's everyone making a fuss? lol" "Even if it's the same sound, knowing and not knowing the fundamentals make a different when you try to imitate the sound. Try imitating a language that you don't know and see how it works out. Gisado(one of the Korean casters) just fixed it and is reading it correctly as HasuObs now" "The subtitles are switched;; The red at 9 is HasuObs and the blue at 12 is Huk.." "I got fooled too lol" "Who do you think has the lead? For some reason it feels like HasuObs has the advantage..but Huk has quite a bit of immortals;;" "Depending on the micro, Huk could have the upper hand" "The force fields are the most important factor. He'll lose if the immortals play" "PvP is so damn boring...I'd rather find 4warp gate rushes or a proxy gate more fun" "Ah, Jinro..please purify my eyes (Koreans use the expression 'purify the eye' to refer to something beautiful, fun, relieveing to watch/see)..PvP is killing me..they should nerf tosses crazy or something to keep PvPs from coming up...I'm so tired of this" "Did MC, BoxeR, FruitDealer..etc all go out of country for this on a plane? or is this online?" "Koreans do it online, so the ping is crazy" "They connect to the NA server online. So they say their usual levels of micro are not possible" "Online. Just the finals are done on location" "It's online, I think the semis and the finals are offline" "I forget when, but after a certain point in the tournament, it's done in New York I think" "Ah...the last match was so boring T T...Why didn't you look at the corner...T T" Jinro vs MorroW "Until when will MorroW play zerg..? Besides having skills, the player's personality should match the race..This guy throws away terran after he wins a tournament with 5racks reapers...and since then lol" "He just switched races. T -> Z" "Is the lag really that bad -0-?? 2 seconds...Looking at the games I can't feel the lag at all..During Open Beta I've played on the Korean server from NA and don't remember much lag...Korea has fast internet so it can't be taking 2 whole seconds..I once saw Huk play games with NA people from Korea, and he barely lagged" "They say the earthquake had some effects. KT's cables going out to foreign countries were not affected too much. Maybe it's something like oGs using KT and TSL using LG" -KT and LG are ISPs in Korea- "Whoa....whoa..." "A foreign player casting the Kyrix style" "I can't close my mouth...D:" "The GSL players are not doing too well..What's wrong with them T T..other than MC everyone's getting by barely or being KO'd in early stages T T FD - KO'd early Boxer - Barely Huk - KO'd early Lonver - KO'd early Jinro - Uneasy" "Jinro KO'd early" -posted at a later time, after Jinro loses 2:1- "MorroW lol burrow lol" "MorroW's good..he got hurt pretty bad from 2 racks and is still able to do that" "How are the TSL results going so far? Please summarize in one line" "Upset" "MC wins, Huk loses, White-Ra wins, Jinro 1:1" "So you're saying my Toto is being destroyed" -Toto is the betting thing they have on PlayXP where players bet points to guess results and outcomes of games. They use these points to buy icons- "Wow Jinro..words can't describe. MorroW's amazing too...getting harrassed so much from beginning to end, and still being able to recover and produce masses. Zerg's been getting hit the whole time, but they become so strong if they manage to somehow block the harrasses..Jinro's detailed macro game's off the hook...So I guess a zerg gosu has to at least be able to play like this to win...." "MorroW was really good too" "Where are you guys watching the game?" "GomTV, Gisado" "GomTV's lagging, watching the foreign stream. Check the notice for match previews" "It still looked like he blocked it pretty well without bunkers..if that was me, I'd mis-micro my SCVs and marines and lose them all to the banes...but in the end he lost both. GG" "Really boring lol lol" "Who won in Jinro vs MorroW? I refreshed real quick and the game ended;; I watched upto the point where Jinro had a massive wall" "MorroW won 2:1" "If you aren't going to scan Zerg's base, I think you should at least have one SCV outside to check near the zerglings to decide if you want a bunker or not at least. If you weren't going to scout at all, a bunker would've been nice. Even if he lost a lot of SCVs with the first rush, he did block it. And an SCV was outside the wall. I wish he would've scouted around with it a bit. He's usually very thorough..sad he wasn't this time" "Seeing the result upto now: Out of the 7 with experience in GSL 3 advances, 4 got KO'd. Out of the 4 current GSL code S palyers, 1 advances, 3 got KO'd 1 Code A advances Shame" "I think it's a huge handicap to play NA from Korea. I tried and the response time is so slow, I can't even spread or do moving shots with banshees. This is why you should play Korean servers in Korea and NA servers in NA..." "I don't know how it'd be playing NA from Europe" "Oh..I heard they were invited so I thought they were flying over to play there..but it was online connecting to NA from Korea? I was wondering what they were talking about with the cable being bad due to the quakes in Japan" "Europe to NA doesn't matter~" "Still, watching the foreign players in TSL..FD, Jinro, and Huk dropping at round of 32..even with the big of lag, I think the skills of top foreign players are quite formidable. The GSL players are having a hard time" "I especially think MorroW and ThorZaIN were very strong. I'm speechless at how MorroW lost so much in the early game and was still able to survive to midgame depending on just mass ling/lings" "Foreign players are very strong. It's not just a league of our own anymore lol" "That's right, their skills didn't fall short of our players at all. MC seems to be lucky with his opponents too. But did these players not participate in the IEM?" "I don't know about them and IEM, but unlike the invited Koreans, I heard they had prelims for this tournament. So their mental state going into this should be quite different" "Really, I can see GSL being spreading more and more towards being global. Looking at TSL, and watching the players in GSL..Korea is a powerhouse in Starcraft, but I think in Starcraft2, that expression will disappear..Even if the reaction times were slow, the games themselves were excellent. In Starcraf 1, Korea dominates and take everything in WCG, but I don't see that happening in Starcraft 2. There definitely are players among foreigners that can win, just like the players on TSL today. Looking at Jinro's spread today I thought 'Wow..he's faster and better than MarineKing'. They're that scary and good. GSL having doors open to foreigners, I think there are some very skilled players appearing, which I like" "I think it'll be fun to set up a GSL-level tournament in America and Europe and getting the top 8 from the tournaments and having a word tournament could be fun too" "Or making another server and getting 16 from each to have a 64 people tournament could be fun too. Get 16 Code S players and 16 Code A players...if Blizzard could support this and have sponsors behind it, I think Starcraft 2 will become really popular" "Positive affects of GSL players getting KO'd early in TSL: Foreign users can now feel like 'Hey, I can do this!' And in reality, it doesn't look like there's a huge gap like in Starcraft 1 to have words like Koretoss, Koreg, or Koran. If they do come to Korea, they might be a bit surprised by the Kimchimen's micros due to having no response time issues, but like Huk and Jinro, it's just a problem of adapting. But even in the micro department, seeing that terran spread marines against FruitDealer, I think things will even out real soon" "To think Jinro would get knocked out.." "The terran that got FruidDealer was really thorough and good" "I don't know, now there are a lot micros like marine spreads and moving shots, toss' guardian shields and force fields, and zerg's baneling explosions that require micro speed of 0.x seconds. And having slow response times, I think the results can't be helped but be like this" "That's why things are looking positive. All that matters is how the cheesemen look at things from their perspective; This delay in response time will help break the prejudice about Koreans being unbeatable. If this happens like in Starcraft 1, this'll just become a league of only Koreans again" "So this tournament's done on the NA server from Korea? That's hard;; The response time is crap and the Koreans are given too much of a handicap. No wonder the GSL players have been falling left and right" "So only the Korean region has slow response time in NA?" "Europe seems to be fine, but the Kimchimen are saying it's 0.5~2seconds late. Blizzard must've given a server handicap" -Two guys have a really immature argument about the word Kimchimen being used, but I'm not translating it, it's lame- -More arguments and discusion with pings and numbers and computer network terms I cba'd to look up follow afterwards. Not much more regarding TSL- I accidentally refreshed this page and lost my first work after being halfway through -_- So I got lazier the 2nd time around..I'm also sleepy so..excuse the grammatical errors and other things that might be wrong with this translation. And hm..is this too long? Thank you very much Nostalgia! | ||
Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
the koreans are so so butthurt about losing to foreigners. just lag QQ and criticizing the players. really bad sports actually, its pretty sad considering how much praise we give them, you'd think they'd give a little back when its due. Sigh im so pissed with Boxer's gf for making this all about latency QQ. I've played from KR to NA, its really not THAT bad. it certainly isnt even close to 2 seconds. | ||
dartoo
India2889 Posts
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StyLeD
United States2965 Posts
On March 22 2011 09:22 Subversion wrote: lololol the koreans are so so butthurt about losing to foreigners. just lag QQ and criticizing the players. really bad sports actually, its pretty sad considering how much praise we give them, you'd think they'd give a little back when its due. Sigh im so pissed with Boxer's gf for making this all about latency QQ. I've played from KR to NA, its really not THAT bad. it certainly isnt even close to 2 seconds. Actually we're equally butthurt. Just on different things. | ||
mizU
United States12125 Posts
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mrjpark
United States276 Posts
And quite honestly, the lack of respect of foreign players wasn't entirely undeserved when looking into its history. Back in SC/BW, there would always be "THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD OUTSIDE KOREA" and they'd get hyped up...and then they'd just get their butts kicked. It really led to a giant inflation of the country's ego that carried on to SC2. Instead of getting all butt hurt that they haven't completely come to the conclusion that the two scenes are really close yet, NA/EU just has to pick it up and beat Koreans at the highest level on a consistent basis. Just as proof that Koreans aren't completely blindfolded, they absolutely love Jinro. He plays a style of Terran that's completely different from most Koreans, plays a very solid game, and is loved for it. This is why you're seeing the positive comments about MorroW; not only did he play a great set, he beat a player that they actually respect regardless of ethnicity. Same with FruitDealer. ThorZaIN played a great game and as a result gained a lot of respect from the Koreans. It's not like people are beating MC and they're just turning their heads. I feel like we have this huge inferiority complex here and it frustrates me to see everyone just assume that all these Koreans are being thick skulled and QQing. When a "foreigner" shows that he's a great player, they respect him. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if there was one-sided lag due to the circumstances, and this is an issue that needs to be met before season 4. Forgetting 2 seconds, a constant 0.5 second delay for a person doing like 500 actions per minute is actually a pretty big deal. Either: 1) it's going to be much too easy an excuse for Koreans to pull out, or 2) it's actually true and they shouldn't be playing with a handicap. Either way, it's not good for the future of e-sports. But back on topic, the easiest examples are IdrA and Jinro. Both players are very highly respected in Korea. It shouldn't be that big of a deal to have to prove yourself in an industry where one country has basically dominated for the last 10 years. It's not like we're not used to big egos and arrogance as Americans. I mean, really? Have you watched the Olympics and our country's reactions to some of the outcomes? Get over it. I haven't read all 7 pages of the thread, so forgive me if everything's settled down and I'm just bringing up a dead issue. Oh yeah, and cheese-man = American IIRC because we really like cheese here (just think about it). Kimchi-man obviously = Korean. As a parting gift for this TL;DR: http://tiny.cc/0u8bw | ||
knyttym
United States5797 Posts
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Khalleb
Canada1909 Posts
but im pretty hapy with the comment from playxp, they acknowledge the foreigner strengh, and yet they not even see everyone :D | ||
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