2nd/runner up: Armathai - 23 points there was a 3 way tie for 3rd in points at 22 points, including me in there , but by looking individually at each bracket, we can tell that 3rd/runner up: Skruf because this user did predict Sen would take 3rd, not to mention he posted before the other dude.
I have a quick interview with the number 1 bracket picker.. notrangerjoe!
Q: First off, big congratulations all around for decisively beating 281 other people for the top prize! There are no ties for first place! Would you mind telling all of us reading a bit about yourself? Have you been following along with the contest or is this win news to you?
A:Thanks and hi TL . I've been following professional StarCraft for two years and I've been a super-low-post-count TL member for just over a year (slowly improving my Liquibet skills). I was following my score until JF's win in Ro8, after that I figured he'd make it to the finals and my score would be screwed. Looking at it now I'm really surprised at how accurate my bracket was.
Q: When you were placing your predictions at the time, did you have a clear strategy or were you just guessing randomly?
A: My first instinct was that we were going to see mirrors everywhere, and there turned out to be more than I first predicted. Because I haven't followed foreign StarCraft that much I relied a lot on the Ret/Artosis predictions in their SCForAll video. Looking back the only real "random" thing I did was put XiaOxi over Idra.
Q: As you can probably guess- many, many, MANY, people placed IdrA to win it all (187 people to be precise). Why did you decide to go ahead and not pick the favorite? Was it because so many other people were picking him to win? Is he your favorite player? -In my head, Idra was either going to take it all or lose to something stupid early on. I went with the latter, half because I knew it would be the less popular choice and half because of how crazy it would be if he so early Ret is actually my favorite player of the top 16, but I was (sadly) confident that his ZvZ wouldn't be able to take him to the finals.
Q: Just out of curiosity, are you as good as you in Liquibet as you are in TSL?
A:I don't recall how long I've been active in Liquibet, but think I have been in the top 100 or so each season I've been in.
Q: Your net worth just went up by about $95. Do you plan on celebrating this small, but notable, victory?
A: I actually just bought a new processor for $150 so I'm still down for the week. Hopefully when I go out for poker with friends in the next few days my luck will continue and I'll be able to break even overall :D
Thanks for playing and I wish you the best of luck in the future! -Thank you, and thanks to TL and all the amazing staff for the TSL!
It's been fun TL.net.. thanks to all for participating.. see you at TSL3!
Out of 24 possible points (ties determined by who posted first atm) notrangerjoe - 19 points ShoCkeyy - 18 points Jin - 16 points nZ.INFESTED - 16 points Armathai - 15 points
Q: Thanks for doing this quick interview, why don’t you please take a second to give a quick introduction about yourself.
A: Hi, my name is Jin and I've been a long time visitor to Teamliquid.net. Given the time constraints of school and now work, I've never had much time to post here but TL is an awesome community and TSL is by far and away the premier foreign tournament. I'm a little bit surprised the interview wasn't left until the end of the bracket, but I might as well enjoy the few moments of glory I do have :D
Q: You were the only person perfectly selecting the Ro16 outcomes out of 282 people, did you have a good idea of who to pick or was it just a guessing game?
A: I think with any bracket contest, the eventual winner utilizes some combination of luck, intuition and knowledge. There were some match-ups I was quite certain about, and others were a blind guess. For example, the main reason I picked Fenix over Koll was to differentiate my results from the majority, so I have been definitely been very lucky thus far. By probability, I will likely lose my standing by next week
Q: Looking ahead, do you think your predictions will hold up for the Ro8 and Ro4?
A: I hope so! The JF vs Ra matchup was the most difficult to predict (I picked JF). I believe the process of regaining your mechanics isn't as difficult as some make it out to be, especially given the fact top tier players still play for recreation when they aren't competing. Plus JF is a beast in money games
Q:You picked IdrA and Mondi to play against each other in the finals, with IdrA winning it all in the end. After the games today, are you still happy with this prediction or would you wish your finals prediction had been different?
A: Idra deserves to win the tournament as he is the most talented. I believe Mondragon will beat Fenix and Ret will beat Sen. However, the ZvZ between Mondi/Ret was a hard choice. I choose Mondragon, because he has always been a consistent ZvZ player and his experience in the matchup will give him a slight advantage over Ret. Very tough call though! Overall, I'm happy with my predictions and I hope they come true!
Random stats: 282 Entries 21 people with 7 points 94 people with 6 points (if Jin messes up some there are a ton of people to take his spot) 13 people out of 282 thought Fenix would beat Kolll
Just so people see the updated prizes: 1st. $70 + $25 iTunes gift card 2 runners up: $25 + $20 iTunes gift cards Thanks to TL for donating $50 to the first player and Alphine for donating a generous $70 to this contest.
Also, just a technical note but since so many people have entered, our generous donor Alphine has come up with a way to spread out the results a bit:
Winner of the 8 RO16 games = 1 pt each for 8 total Winner of the 4 RO8 games = 2 pts each for 8 total Winner of the 2 RO4 games = 4 pts each for 8 total Winner of Grand Final = 8 pts
Total = 32 pts
In the event of ties, I'll examine your 1-4 picks, and whoever is closest will win.
So if say, 2 people get 28 points. Whoever had the closest order of 1-4 will win, the other will be 2nd place.
Hey all, I didn't see anything similar after a quick search, so I'd figure I'd post it here.
I want to propose a unofficial PokerStrategy.com TSL bracket contest similar to the NCAA March Madness brackets. If the TL gods are against this, then by all means delete this topic. Mod Edit: This is now the official TSL bracket contest!
Prizes: Updated It isn't much, but I have 3 unused iTunes gift cards: one at $25, and 2 at $15. Whoever comes the closets to the actual results (i.e. who predicts the most amount of wins) will take the $25, with the second/third place taking the $15. If there is a tie for any of the places, whoever posted their bracket first will take the higher amount. TeamLiquid is also going to send $50 to the winner via paypal!! Alpine has been so kind as to give us a $70 donation to help this contest! Here are the updated prizes:
1st. $70 + $25 iTunes gift card 2 runners up: $25 + $20 iTunes gift cards
Outline: The contest is straightforward. Simply take a blank TSL2 Round of 16 bracket and fill it out using Photoshop/Paint/what have you with who you think will win each match, starting at the Round of 16 and continuing, filling up the whole tournament. There will be one point given for each correct guess. For example, if JF and Kabal advance, and you picked both of them to play each other, you get 2 points. There are 16 matchup guesses + 4 points for correctly guessing the 1st-4th players for a total of 20 points.
Here is the bracket provided by TeamLiquid:
Also, since the bracket doesn't provide it, you must also write in your post who you think will win first, second, and third
Here is my entry (not counted since I am giving out the cards) + Show Spoiler +
First: NonY Second: BRAT_OK Third: Ret
(I realize it is silly to not think IdrA wont win it all, I would just be in awe if I got to see a Bo7 my two favorite foreigners battle it out for top prize.)
Rules: The only rules I can think of are (subject to change):
All brackets must be posted before January 25th, midnight TL time 29th, 18:00 KST
Your bracket post must not be edited after the Ro16 starts
One bracket per person
Thats about it, please post if you have any questions/conerns/brackets
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Be careful about allowing brackets to be linked from a personal site, I can see someone waiting till it starts then going back and changing the picture that their post links to.
On January 19 2010 09:13 larjarse wrote: 1: Ret. 2: Idra: 3: White-Ra
While you're top3 may be respectable, I still need a bracket to go with it
Unless of course you are making one now and I'll look like a dumbass when you edit your post
Be careful about allowing brackets to be linked from a personal site, I can see someone waiting till it starts then going back and changing the picture that their post links to.
Best way to avoid problems, imo, is to have people send you a link before it starts and download the images as they come in and keep them on your comp and reference them from there. Make the filename the username would be my best advice, and have a folder dedicated to this.
On January 19 2010 09:23 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Best way to avoid problems, imo, is to have people send you a link before it starts and download the images as they come in and keep them on your comp and reference them from there. Make the filename the username would be my best advice, and have a folder dedicated to this.
Thats actually a good idea, on the 29th I'll save everyones picture on my comp. (to allow for if someone changes their mind)
Be careful about allowing brackets to be linked from a personal site, I can see someone waiting till it starts then going back and changing the picture that their post links to.
Damn good point, any ideas?
I would just force them to use imageshack/imgur or something similar.
If you're really serious about this, it's probably easiest organizationally to just dl brackets as they're coming in and rename them to people's usernames as was suggested.
Usually as a tiebreak, March Madness pools have you specify the score of the final game. So I say IdrA 3:2 Ret and White-Ra 3-1 Kolll for the third place. Also, do the R16 games give one point, R8 gives 2, and so on? Or is every prediction just one point?
On January 19 2010 10:15 tree.hugger wrote: Usually as a tiebreak, March Madness pools have you specify the score of the final game. So I say IdrA 3:2 Ret and White-Ra 3-1 Kolll for the third place. Also, do the R16 games give one point, R8 gives 2, and so on? Or is every prediction just one point?
Gonna keep it simple, one correct prediction = 1 point at every level. Person with the most points wins. I'm just giving whoever posted first the higher amount. Might not be the most fair but keeps it simple... for example in the first ro16 matchup.. if it is JF vs Kabal.. you get two points for guessing both JF and Kabal - 20 points possible.. including correctly guessing 1st-4th
On January 19 2010 13:40 InsideTheBox wrote: Wow no faith in Ret's ZvZ whatsoever in this thread.
While I do think that Ret is an awesome ZvZ player, heck, he is an awesome ZvAnything player! However, by the look of it, every round he would play, up until the final, could very well be ZvZ. And we all know how random ZvZ is. Although I give him the best chance out of any of the Z players on his side of the bracket, I still don't think he'll end up making it to the final.....
If it was BO99, I'm sure Ret would take it, because that would account for the randomness of ZvZ. However, that is not the case.....
Way too many people are confident in JF's chances here. I like JF and want to see him do well, but Terran has been playing really consistently while JF, not so much. The recent results from JF have not looked all that promising.
On January 20 2010 04:00 David Mudkips wrote: I'm interested to see your bracket chill.. hell, I'd love it if both players and TL.net admins posted theirs.
Took a risk on Brat_OK; everything else is pretty standard.
... All these people picking Ret over Castro, Ret barely beat flaf and as much as id like ret to advance, castro is a much better zvz player than flaf is.
On January 20 2010 05:29 GreEny K wrote: ... All these people picking Ret over Castro, Ret barely beat flaf and as much as id like ret to advance, castro is a much better zvz player than flaf is.
if ret plays TvZ he will ez castro imo if he gets his TvZ back up to where it was.
This is definitely unlikely, but upsets are bound to happen, and because tons of people have already made brackets of what's most likely to happen... might as well try something crazy and hope for the best! + Show Spoiler +
On January 21 2010 04:40 StylishVODs wrote: why is the finals not Bo5?
First off, just want to say that you are my personal hero and that you should make more VODs.
Second of all, it makes it more epic and less up to chance. For example, someone in here put that in a Bo5 ret has a chance to lose due to the randomness of ZvZ, but in a Bo99 he would win.
On January 21 2010 04:11 David Mudkips wrote: I dunno, in the interview vid ret was talking about how he wishes he could of switched to T for TvZ.. I think Chill may have been joking
If so, ouch, because I totally believed it, especially since Ret was playing solely TvZ on his stream yesterday <.<
On January 21 2010 04:11 David Mudkips wrote: I dunno, in the interview vid Ret was talking about how he wishes he could of switched to T for TvZ.. I think Chill may have been joking
If so, ouch, because I totally believed it, especially since Ret was playing solely TvZ on his stream yesterday <.<
my apologies, I watched Ret play one game yesterday but he was zerg.. then again it wasn't against a T.. but if you saw it then
I'm glad he is training harder for TSL than courage
On January 21 2010 06:09 starcraft911 wrote: Hmmm, I'm finding this to be tougher than I thought....
I'm not a big T fan, but I don't see anyone taking down Idra. I think he's hungry for this on a level that nobody else can relate to.
Nony can't be in the top 4 then because of the way the brackets are and I think he's looking pretty sharp... as is White-Ra so ra will take 3rd...
2nd is between Brat and Kolll IMO. Kolll looking strong lately so he's my #2
On January 21 2010 04:11 David Mudkips wrote: I dunno, in the interview vid Ret was talking about how he wishes he could of switched to T for TvZ.. I think Chill may have been joking
If so, ouch, because I totally believed it, especially since Ret was playing solely TvZ on his stream yesterday <.<
my apologies, I watched Ret play one game yesterday but he was zerg.. then again it wasn't against a T.. but if you saw it then
I'm glad he is training harder for TSL than courage
Just in case info leaks about who wins Ro16 before the 30th, I'm making the executive decision to end the entries on Jan. 25th, midnight TL time. Personally I'm going to leave the site so I don't hear anything. I assume everyone who wants to enter has entered by now anyway.
David hasn't responded to my pm soooo I'll just hijack this thread There's no point in running tow bracket contests so what we're going to do is turn this into the official TSL bracket contest. TL is going to boost 1st prize with $50! So now you have even more reasons to enter the contest
On January 22 2010 13:18 Plexa wrote: David hasn't responded to my pm soooo I'll just hijack this thread There's no point in running tow bracket contests so what we're going to do is turn this into the official TSL bracket contest. TL is going to boost 1st prize with $50! So now you have even more reasons to enter the contest
Thanks Plexa I never seem to noice my PMs because when I see a yellow color top left I instantly just pass it off as liquibet.
In all honesty i couldnt do the whole putting the names in ill just type them if it doesnt count that fine just my opinion Round of 16 Terran vs. JF = Terran TT1 vs White-Ra = White-Ra Nony vs Tarson = Nony Idra vs Xiaozi = Idra BRAT_OK vs. Mondragon = BRAT_OK Kolll vs Fenix = Kolll Castro vs Ret = Ret (For some reason i think castro might win with lag so :S) Sen vs Draco = Sen
Round of 8
Terran vs White-RA = Terran Nony vs Idra = Idra BRAT_OK vs Kolll = Kolll Ret vs Sen = Ret
Semi Finals Terran vs Idra = Terran Kolll vs Ret = Ret
On January 22 2010 18:19 Mooncat wrote: I'm surprised how many people think that BRAT_OK will win against Mondragon...
its not so suprising when you consider the fact that not everyone is from germany
First of all, if you'd actually read the posts you'd see that there are also Germans who think that Mondragon will lose. Secondly, my surprise has nothing to do with Mondragon's nationality in this case.
And don't you start a nation bias debate with me. Apart from yourself and NonY, American progamers are among the worst when it comes to Starcraft, yet they are the only ones that aren't completely drowned in your disrespectful BM trash.
Well, Mondragon's ZvT is his worst matchup, and Brat_OK's TvZ is very very good. If it was ZvZ, Mondragon would win easily, or even ZvP. But his ZvT just isn't up to par in my opinion.
On January 22 2010 18:19 Mooncat wrote: I'm surprised how many people think that BRAT_OK will win against Mondragon...
its not so suprising when you consider the fact that not everyone is from germany
First of all, if you'd actually read the posts you'd see that there are also Germans who think that Mondragon will lose. Secondly, my surprise has nothing to do with Mondragon's nationality in this case.
And don't you start a nation bias debate with me. Apart from yourself and NonY, American progamers are among the worst when it comes to Starcraft, yet they are the only ones that aren't completely drowned in your disrespectful BM trash.
and aside from kolll german players are absolutely terrible, i dont see how thats at all relevant to nationalism
if you think mondragons the favorite on brat theres something coloring your perception, and given that you're german and not very smart nationalism is a good bet.
On January 22 2010 18:19 Mooncat wrote: I'm surprised how many people think that BRAT_OK will win against Mondragon...
its not so suprising when you consider the fact that not everyone is from germany
First of all, if you'd actually read the posts you'd see that there are also Germans who think that Mondragon will lose. Secondly, my surprise has nothing to do with Mondragon's nationality in this case.
And don't you start a nation bias debate with me. Apart from yourself and NonY, American progamers are among the worst when it comes to Starcraft, yet they are the only ones that aren't completely drowned in your disrespectful BM trash.
and aside from kolll german players are absolutely terrible, i dont see how thats at all relevant to nationalism
if you think mondragons the favorite on brat theres something coloring your perception, and given that you're german and not very smart nationalism is a good bet.
And here I thought I was being ballsy by saying BRAT would beat mondi.
o.0 you think White-ra will beat IdrA? or you just don't want to get into the finals with IdrA :D? Anyways, good luck ^^, the ret vs you game in QF will be one of the most intresting ones ! :}
p.s. your bottom part of the bracket is identical to mine, cool ! ^^ + Show Spoiler +
On January 22 2010 22:47 ProoM wrote:
1st IdrA 2nd Sen 3rd White-Ra 4th Kolll
P.s. Looks like we are having PvT+ZvZ fest in QF/SF! :}
On January 22 2010 18:19 Mooncat wrote: I'm surprised how many people think that BRAT_OK will win against Mondragon...
its not so suprising when you consider the fact that not everyone is from germany
First of all, if you'd actually read the posts you'd see that there are also Germans who think that Mondragon will lose. Secondly, my surprise has nothing to do with Mondragon's nationality in this case.
And don't you start a nation bias debate with me. Apart from yourself and NonY, American progamers are among the worst when it comes to Starcraft, yet they are the only ones that aren't completely drowned in your disrespectful BM trash.
and aside from kolll german players are absolutely terrible, i dont see how thats at all relevant to nationalism
if you think mondragons the favorite on brat theres something coloring your perception, and given that you're german and not very smart nationalism is a good bet.
Do me a favor and google 'nationalism' before you start calling others "not very smart". Let me tell you in advance that there's much more to it than rooting for your country in sports...
its just national pride, it doesnt have to manifest itself in every possible way for it to be nationalism. you get a boner for german players because theyre german. thats nationalism.
This are my first thoughts on the matter. Don't really see this happening though now that I think of it. I just couldn't bare to redo all my fantastic paint work though... so here it is.
You might have to rethink the scoring for this one man... cuz I think with like 100 entries, and just 1 point per win, there could be a lot of ties...
I still suggest going 1 pt for 1st round wins, 2 pts for 2nd round wins, 4 for 3rd round, 6 for the championship... and in the event of a tie, see which player has the closest 1st-4th player match.
I think that 3-4 game adds to much unpredictable variability since you need both players to lose in the semis and face each other.
On January 29 2010 23:19 Alpine wrote: You might have to rethink the scoring for this one man... cuz I think with like 100 entries, and just 1 point per win, there could be a lot of ties...
I still suggest going 1 pt for 1st round wins, 2 pts for 2nd round wins, 4 for 3rd round, 6 for the championship & 4 for the runner up.
It might help space things out a little bit more-
Yeah I definitely didn't expect this many entries, I'll probably end up doing that man, that's a good idea.
Cool man, I think it'll help... there's still chances for ties, but this way does at least open the groups up, and like most brackets, it put emphasis on selecting the toughest matches more than the 1st round ones. It's the way I've always done it with NCAA brackets for US college basketball at least.
Good luck to all the participants, thanks to David Mudkips for getting this thing started, it definitely makes it more fun for the huge % of the community that just follows SC nowadays and no longer plays
excellent 2nd series today, I almost had a heart attack on how epic it is
I'll post the leaderboard tomorrow, but as of now only 6 people have picked 100% successfully, but with BRAT_OK and Mondragon comming up, it might split the results even more
wow nice ^^. I bet 95% of people bet on Kolll>Fenix OR Terran>JF ^^. It would be nice to see some statistics of who bet on who or something similar if you got all the submisions saved in some tables or smt .
On February 07 2010 07:47 ProoM wrote: wow nice ^^. I bet 95% of people bet on Kolll>Fenix OR Terran>JF ^^. It would be nice to see some statistics of who bet on who or something similar if you got all the submisions saved in some tables or smt .
Yep, that shouldn't be too much of a problem.
With Alpine coming up with crazy-ass formulas and working wonders, we got it all in Excel.. looks something like this:
I might figure out some interesting stats for you guys though and throw it up in the OP after tomorrow.
EDIT: oh, and to answer your question, 11.7% (or 33 out of 282) thought that Fenix would win.
I do honestly believe that no one is going to win this contest ^^. What is going to happen then? the most accurate will win? nvm, just read the update in the op ^^
On February 07 2010 08:01 ProoM wrote: I do honestly believe that no one is going to win this contest ^^. What is going to happen then? the most accurate will win? nvm, just read the update in the op ^^
Yeah man it will be whoever gets the most points. If it is a tie I'll use the 1st-4th results to settle it, and if that is still a tie it will be who posted theirs first.
On February 07 2010 07:34 Mikilatov wrote: Yay, I'm still 100% =)
Too bad u bet on Idra>Nony, Castro>Ret and Brat_OK>Mondragon. You won't win, too many upsets cant happen .
Hahaha, yeah I actually don't consider any of my predictions to be upsets! I didn't buy into the Koll/Gosi hype, even though they are quite good with a LOT of potential. I think Brat and Idra both have a larger chance at winning, and with Castro it's a bit of a gamble but I feel ret's ZvZ is still not perfect, and well.. It's ZvZ so anything can happen.
On February 07 2010 07:50 David Mudkips wrote: EDIT: oh, and to answer your question, 11.7% (or 33 out of 282) thought that Fenix would win.
Seriously? haha. I knew there was a lot of hype for Kolll but I didn't think it was THAT overwhelming. Fenix is soooo under rated.
i agree, i feel that mondragon isnt the favorite vs brat_ok( i still chose mondi since i dont find brats tvz amazing) and castro vs ret can absolutely go either way, someone who thinks that ret played way more than castro last month is plain wrong. Castro played zvz for years and never stopped practicing for tsl. I dont see how ret suddenly became superior given same amounts of practice time recently and no zvz history whatsoever
On February 09 2010 07:17 David Mudkips wrote: Well I just added a quick interview, like he says, there should be one for the end instead of now but it just makes it seem more professional
Awesome stuff Mudkips. I like that you're running a tight ship on this contest.
On January 23 2010 01:11 IdrA wrote: and aside from kolll german players are absolutely terrible, i dont see how thats at all relevant to nationalism
if you think mondragons the favorite on brat theres something coloring your perception, and given that you're german and not very smart nationalism is a good bet.
Haha hearing my name being announced was weird! Tobad my prediction on Kolll vs Fenix was wrong :D, screwed the rest of my bracket, luckily i got Sen and Nony right :D
Updated OP.. to the winners.. I'm currently at my friends house watching/playing SC and I will PM you guys tonight with the iTunes prize.. TL.net will be handling the $$
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