[Interviews] ret & MaNa - Page 2

On January 18 2010 15:48 InClass wrote:
Well none of us know exactly what happened except for ret. But as Nazgul said, I think we can all appreciate how tough it is being in another country and how lonely that can be at times, being away from friends and family.

On January 21 2010 02:49 NrG.GoD- wrote:
Ret

Although I know that it is unlikely for you to ever read this, I have something to say to you.

From what you wrote/said in your interview, I believe you are blaming the Koreans for your unsuccessful attempt to become a "progamer". You are TOTALLY wrong for many various reasons.

You are too old

If I am not mistaken, you were born in 1985 (24years old in 2009). You were/are simply too old. I am a Korean person and my younger brother who is 16 literally have real-life friends who are currently in the progaming scene(as practice partners in proteams). I know for a fact that the average age is around 16~18 for "practice partners", and MOST B-teamers are younger than 20, and you would know that 90% of the players who play televised games were born after 1990.

Humans begin to "age" physically from the age of around 20~22. Starcraft has become too sophisticated, too physically demanding, and require too much sensitivity from your eyes/brain/ears/fingers (which are qualities dramatically lost after the age of 22ish) to be a successful "progamer".

It was YOUR mistake, and was VERY naive of you from the first place for you to go to Korea and expect to be successful, when the competition to become a progamer increases every day.

You do not "stand out" skillwise to the ProScene.

Let's assume that you were a Korean person, who could FULLY speak Korean and was a reasonably socialising person, but with had same conditions as the "White Ret",
that is, the Korean is 24 years old, and have the identical skill-level as you at your best.

DON'T tell me that this imaginary person would have succeeded in the Progaming scene. Do you believe that if you had the same skin color and could speak fluently like the Koreans your skill would have been outstanding to the Proteam or its members? At your peak performance your skill level would have been mediocre at best even to a poor B-team, and it is human instinct to want to practice with the good players in order to improve. Yes, if you were a Korean you would have been less failing socially and perhaps this could have led you to more chances to play with the members, but it simply would not have impressed the members enough.

You said it yourself. "I still believe my ZvP and ZvT are certainly not worse than korean b-teamers right now". Perhaps your belief is not totally false, and perhaps you indeed are "not worse than" the Koreans. However your wording itself backs my argument, as it implies that you are no better than them. You know yourself that you do not stand out as a gifted player, yet you fail to perceive this situation from a 3rd person's perspective, and say "some Koreans just don't give you any respect". I don't know what kind of respect other than the really basic manners you could possibly expect from the Koreans.

It is simply ridiculous to consider yourself in a respectful position skillwise, when there are literally hundreds of other koreans better than you at the game. Those players would be much younger than you and thus have more potential, and the cultural barrier is non-existent - much easier to manage. Don't you think it is natural for the Koreans to prefer them over you?


I don't understand why the Korean proteams were obliged to give you special respect when it was by your own choice, not by an invitation, to have flew to Korea. To them you are just a random player with not-so-unique skill. You may be good in the foreign scene, and perhaps one of TOP players, they simply do not have to give a shit.

Also I don't understand what you mean by "travels halfway across the globe FOR YOU".
You did NOT travel for them, you travelled for YOURSELF, your dream, your glory.
"You start to wonder why you are trying your best for THESE PEOPLE"
What benefits are you providing to the Koreans? You aren't helping them improve skillwise, and certainly you aren't bringing monetary gain to them.

You mentioned that you expect them to "talk[ing] about the game" which is a contradiction. You mentioned that you experienced language barrier and this had disadvantaged you greatly. Well think from their perspective. Lets imagine a Korean player had played a game against you and lost. Don't you agree that the Korean player desire to "talk about the game" as much as you do? They would want to speak about their loss or victory, but they are unable to do so with you. What is so disrespectful about avoiding you when they know that they will not be able to talk with you after a game?



It got pretty long but that is my view, as a Korean who watched the starcraft progaming since boxer's domination. To be honest I never even heard of you until last May or so. I have nothing against you personally or consider myself a better player than you, but you should not deny that you did not do sufficient research before you just flew to Korea. True, there may have been faults from the Korean's side(which i do not know since you won't provide details), but they are irrelevent.

Your attitude in this interview is like having walked into hell and blaming Satan for being so evil.
A more helpful attitude would be "It was a mistake, I should have done more research, talk to more people (like nrg.god- who would have stopped you) before i left, now i learned my lesson, and this will certainly help me in future predicaments"

Oh and finally, good luck in courage league.

Also I don't understand what you mean by "travels halfway across the globe FOR YOU".
You did NOT travel for them, you travelled for YOURSELF, your dream, your glory.
"You start to wonder why you are trying your best for THESE PEOPLE"
What benefits are you providing to the Koreans? You aren't helping them improve skillwise, and certainly you aren't bringing monetary gain to them.

On January 21 2010 04:03 Rekrul wrote:


Tru that. Dunno why ret chooses such words in public interviews. He's just frustrated.

On January 21 2010 04:09 Boonbag wrote:



I think Ret meant "for them" as in "for this particular team" that wasn't nice to him. Like he wouldn't have asked himself these questions if the people treated him nicely.

On January 21 2010 04:18 Rekrul wrote:


This whole ordeal was not only the fault of Estro though.

On January 16 2010 23:55 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:

While I don't agree with Ret's choice of words that he traveled across the globe for them, I don't think it's fair to just say put up or shut up. Rules are one thing but as one person to another if a stranger comes to your house the courtesy of trying to talk to each other can make a huge difference. I think what most people expect is not that these players spend their hours practicing with him (which would have been nice too) but that they just tried to be nice to a foreigner who must be feeling very alone at times.

When I was in Korea I didn't practice with Jinnam/Jinsu much, on the other hand Gundam did practice a lot with me, but whenever I talked to any of them they were super-nice regardless. It's not that hard to be nice.

On January 21 2010 05:22 NrG.GoD- wrote:
If you had such negative views on our race, then perhaps you should have tried to stop ret walking into hell.

On January 21 2010 02:49 NrG.GoD- wrote:
longish post

On January 21 2010 05:22 NrG.GoD- wrote:
Humans begin to "age" physically from the age of around 20~22. Starcraft has become too sophisticated, too physically demanding, and require too much sensitivity from your eyes/brain/ears/fingers (which are qualities dramatically lost after the age of 22ish) to be a successful "progamer".