On January 08 2010 18:11 IdrA wrote: hows he trying to create drama? you said you prepared better (which is obviously not the case as anyone who prepares for g5 at all knows hes completely willing to take risks, and the first thing you would have prepared for is probe cut timing rushes). you said he played bad, used risky builds, and got lucky. thats the exact same thing as calling someone a cheesy newbie.
Maybe in your vocabulary, in the pre match interview I said I respect G5 skills and I still do. That doesn't change the fact he played these 2 games bad, not as bad as me but not worth of congratulation either.
lol so if i say you're good in an interview before a match and then call you a fuckin newbie afterwards its ok?
On January 08 2010 18:11 IdrA wrote: hows he trying to create drama? you said you prepared better (which is obviously not the case as anyone who prepares for g5 at all knows hes completely willing to take risks, and the first thing you would have prepared for is probe cut timing rushes). you said he played bad, used risky builds, and got lucky. thats the exact same thing as calling someone a cheesy newbie.
Maybe in your vocabulary, in the pre match interview I said I respect G5 skills and I still do. That doesn't change the fact he played these 2 games bad, not as bad as me but not worth of congratulation either.
lol so if i say you're good in an interview before a match and then call you a fuckin newbie afterwards its ok?
Yeah I know what a load of crap. How is lieing in the post match interview mannered? Oh you gave the cookie cutter "I respect my opponent" bullshit line before the game... that means you must be mannered?! Surely shaking hands after a game is more about manners than that.
Clearly you don't respect your opponent because you made it quite clear you rate your skills much higher than his after the match... and many at TL agree with you. Why not cut the crap.. you don't rate G5 that highly and you were suprised/upset that you didn't play your best and lost. At least I could respect someone who is honest.
Despite me being noob (10 years of bw) i have to say that G5 played badly with good micro and timing and Cloud played even worse. Didn't adapt to what G5 was doing and had awful positioning + micro. I still respect both players but Cloud a bit more, cause he really is better than G5 as many of us understand.
Hate to derail the drama, and respect to ClouD, but WOOHOO G5! Congrats! Now go show FlaF who has beaten GGPlay
Btw, as a G5 fan and a PvP fan I couldn't pass up casting this series if anyone is interested. Even if you don't like my casting you can mute it and have VODs to watch if you're too lazy for replays, heh.
Part 1, follow video responses through the series:
I understand where Cloud is getting at about not congratulating him on those games. I feel the same way if I lose because I was being retarded and my opponent was just "less retarded" that game. We both played like complete garbage, but he just so happen to won that game and you don't really want to say "GG" because it wasn't a good game the game was complete garbage, but I still say GG anyways because I'm trying to show proper respect and not come off as a douche.
It's sad this thread derailed like it did. Congrats on a fanastic win G5, ClouD is actually one of the best foreigners atm and has been practicing insanely much, anyone beating him is a great achievement.
On January 08 2010 22:09 ret wrote: It's sad this thread derailed like it did. Congrats on a fanastic win G5, ClouD is actually one of the best foreigners atm and has been practicing insanely much, anyone beating him is a great achievement.
oh shit, i think i agrees with u. He has practice a lot tho, but one of the best foreigner?
On January 08 2010 22:09 ret wrote: It's sad this thread derailed like it did. Congrats on a fanastic win G5, ClouD is actually one of the best foreigners atm and has been practicing insanely much, anyone beating him is a great achievement.
oh shit, i think i agrees with u. He has practice a lot tho, but one of the best foreigner?
One of the best could be top 5, top 10 or even top 100, it depends on your definition..
Too bad Cloud lost. I like his style. Nevertheless, I like G5 his style too. So it will be an interesting outcome in the group. But as a Dutchman I have to root for Ret.
On a sidenote: you guys are blowing this way out of its proportion. I think all that Cloud is trying to say is that he is frustrated because he lost and because of that he cant congratulate G5 with his win. A bad decision imo but if he feels that way, let him be. He stated that he respected G5 as a person and as a BW player. So no need for drama I think.
Now please, back on topic gentlemen, discuss the games! =)
On January 08 2010 20:28 Ricjames wrote: Despite me being noob (10 years of bw) i have to say that G5 played badly with good micro and timing and Cloud played even worse. Didn't adapt to what G5 was doing and had awful positioning + micro. I still respect both players but Cloud a bit more, cause he really is better than G5 as many of us understand.
I would argue that timing had almost nothing to do with G5's win. Actually, let's go with nothing. I will argue it had actually nothing to do with the win. Where's G5 to comment?
On January 08 2010 20:28 Ricjames wrote: Despite me being noob (10 years of bw) i have to say that G5 played badly with good micro and timing and Cloud played even worse. Didn't adapt to what G5 was doing and had awful positioning + micro. I still respect both players but Cloud a bit more, cause he really is better than G5 as many of us understand.
I would argue that timing had almost nothing to do with G5's win. Actually, let's go with nothing. I will argue it had actually nothing to do with the win. Where's G5 to comment?
While I don't agree with some peoples conception here that G5 was simply lucky that Cloud was playing bad (Which is kind of ridiculous), I don't see how one could argue that timing had nothing to do with G5's win. Here is a quote from the OP interview with G5:
"I cut probes throughout the game strategically to ensure that I would win the first decisive battle, whether it be him attacking me or me attacking him. Time passed long enough that I had to engage or I would lose due to his probe count."
Unless I am not quite understanding what you mean by timing, it seems clear that G5 knew that he must attack at that time or lose the game [much like any timing attack, wait too long and it loses it's effectiveness].
On January 08 2010 20:28 Ricjames wrote: Despite me being noob (10 years of bw) i have to say that G5 played badly with good micro and timing and Cloud played even worse. Didn't adapt to what G5 was doing and had awful positioning + micro. I still respect both players but Cloud a bit more, cause he really is better than G5 as many of us understand.
I would argue that timing had almost nothing to do with G5's win. Actually, let's go with nothing. I will argue it had actually nothing to do with the win. Where's G5 to comment?
While I don't agree with some peoples conception here that G5 was simply lucky that Cloud was playing bad (Which is kind of ridiculous), I don't see how one could argue that timing had nothing to do with G5's win. Here is a quote from the OP interview with G5:
"I cut probes throughout the game strategically to ensure that I would win the first decisive battle, whether it be him attacking me or me attacking him. Time passed long enough that I had to engage or I would lose due to his probe count."
Unless I am not quite understanding what you mean by timing, it seems clear that G5 knew that he must attack at that time or lose the game [much like any timing attack, wait too long and it loses it's effectiveness].
Just because you use the word time, it's not timing. G5 crossed the bridge and Cloud ran into him. There's no timing there. Unless G5 specifically built that army for that moment, in which case I apologize, but I'm very confident he didn't and just decided it was time to move out.
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