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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17732 Posts
January 08 2010 20:52 GMT
#241
your games vs idra will produce more than that
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
January 08 2010 20:53 GMT
#242
On January 09 2010 04:39 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 03:30 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
On January 09 2010 02:19 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On January 08 2010 23:54 SkelA wrote:
Ok there is a good chance of Flaf wining next match Cloud pvz alot better than G5.

it doesn't matter how good cloud's pvz is

On January 08 2010 22:09 ret wrote:
It's sad this thread derailed like it did.

i thought it has stayed on topic :o






Stating the opinion that flaf has better chances winning vs g5 than vs cloud because u think clouds pvz is better than g5s is totally fine and makes sense

what a stupid response is this of yours ?

Seriously ?


as motbob pointed out, that isnt what skela wrote. i just read and responded to what he wrote. and why do you always have this disbelief? seriously? did you even watch the replay? what a stupid response is this of yours? give us a break.

Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 03:48 SkelA wrote:
Yea english is not my first language you calling me dumb because of that? Let me see you understand my native language then eh.. I asure you wont understand a word does this makes you a retard then ?

who are you talking to? nobody called you dumb. he called magic~phil dumb. just give up kid

Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 04:02 mdb wrote:I perfectly understood what skela meant, i mean its not like he wrote something very difficult to understand.

in skela's sentence, if you replace "good" with "better" then it would make sense. huge difference in meaning between those two and there's never any instance where one can mean the other. so i dont see how it's so easy to understand. but if you read skela's post history, you'd familiarize yourself with his habit of writing nonsense. so you wouldnt think "oh he accidentally didnt use a comparative" but rather "where are some pins so i can gouge out my eyes"


Lol is there really an argument over what was said....

Its simply meaning that Because cloud has a better pvz than G5 in his opinion, he believes that G5 is going to lose the match. That's all that skela says
troi oi thang map nai!!!
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
January 08 2010 20:58 GMT
#243
I agree that my english is not that good but I think anyone with half a brain and a little logic can understand my post... -_-
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
January 08 2010 21:00 GMT
#244
On January 09 2010 05:22 Freezard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 07:32 ceaRshaf wrote:
This is the higher level for foreign.!

Well, then I had too high expectations I guess. This was terrible play by Cloud. It seems he just focused 100% on macro and didn't even watch the battles. He never even stormed many templars even though he had tons of energy and storm, annoyed me a lot. Felt like he surrendered before the game was over.

As for G5's play, well, I guess it was the perfect counter to Cloud's type of play - not giving him time. Still remains to see how good he is.


When I watched game 1 (assuming thats the one you are talking about) storm wasn't finished when he got attacked.
FruitMarket
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-08 21:15:13
January 08 2010 21:11 GMT
#245
On January 09 2010 05:53 OhThatDang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 04:39 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On January 09 2010 03:30 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
On January 09 2010 02:19 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On January 08 2010 23:54 SkelA wrote:
Ok there is a good chance of Flaf wining next match Cloud pvz alot better than G5.

it doesn't matter how good cloud's pvz is

On January 08 2010 22:09 ret wrote:
It's sad this thread derailed like it did.

i thought it has stayed on topic :o






Stating the opinion that flaf has better chances winning vs g5 than vs cloud because u think clouds pvz is better than g5s is totally fine and makes sense

what a stupid response is this of yours ?

Seriously ?


as motbob pointed out, that isnt what skela wrote. i just read and responded to what he wrote. and why do you always have this disbelief? seriously? did you even watch the replay? what a stupid response is this of yours? give us a break.

On January 09 2010 03:48 SkelA wrote:
Yea english is not my first language you calling me dumb because of that? Let me see you understand my native language then eh.. I asure you wont understand a word does this makes you a retard then ?

who are you talking to? nobody called you dumb. he called magic~phil dumb. just give up kid

On January 09 2010 04:02 mdb wrote:I perfectly understood what skela meant, i mean its not like he wrote something very difficult to understand.

in skela's sentence, if you replace "good" with "better" then it would make sense. huge difference in meaning between those two and there's never any instance where one can mean the other. so i dont see how it's so easy to understand. but if you read skela's post history, you'd familiarize yourself with his habit of writing nonsense. so you wouldnt think "oh he accidentally didnt use a comparative" but rather "where are some pins so i can gouge out my eyes"


Lol is there really an argument over what was said....

Its simply meaning that Because cloud has a better pvz than G5 in his opinion, he believes that G5 is going to lose the match. That's all that skela says

What are you saying differently than what's already been said? What's the point of your post?

See how PvP makes everybody crazy and stupid. Surely everyone can empathize with Cloud now that we see how crazy people post after just watching PvP, not even playing it. Except me of course ezly
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
January 08 2010 22:15 GMT
#246
On January 09 2010 06:11 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 05:53 OhThatDang wrote:
On January 09 2010 04:39 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On January 09 2010 03:30 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
On January 09 2010 02:19 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On January 08 2010 23:54 SkelA wrote:
Ok there is a good chance of Flaf wining next match Cloud pvz alot better than G5.

it doesn't matter how good cloud's pvz is

On January 08 2010 22:09 ret wrote:
It's sad this thread derailed like it did.

i thought it has stayed on topic :o






Stating the opinion that flaf has better chances winning vs g5 than vs cloud because u think clouds pvz is better than g5s is totally fine and makes sense

what a stupid response is this of yours ?

Seriously ?


as motbob pointed out, that isnt what skela wrote. i just read and responded to what he wrote. and why do you always have this disbelief? seriously? did you even watch the replay? what a stupid response is this of yours? give us a break.

On January 09 2010 03:48 SkelA wrote:
Yea english is not my first language you calling me dumb because of that? Let me see you understand my native language then eh.. I asure you wont understand a word does this makes you a retard then ?

who are you talking to? nobody called you dumb. he called magic~phil dumb. just give up kid

On January 09 2010 04:02 mdb wrote:I perfectly understood what skela meant, i mean its not like he wrote something very difficult to understand.

in skela's sentence, if you replace "good" with "better" then it would make sense. huge difference in meaning between those two and there's never any instance where one can mean the other. so i dont see how it's so easy to understand. but if you read skela's post history, you'd familiarize yourself with his habit of writing nonsense. so you wouldnt think "oh he accidentally didnt use a comparative" but rather "where are some pins so i can gouge out my eyes"


Lol is there really an argument over what was said....

Its simply meaning that Because cloud has a better pvz than G5 in his opinion, he believes that G5 is going to lose the match. That's all that skela says

What are you saying differently than what's already been said? What's the point of your post?

See how PvP makes everybody crazy and stupid. Surely everyone can empathize with Cloud now that we see how crazy people post after just watching PvP, not even playing it. Except me of course ezly

This makes me hope there are no TvTs.
SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
January 08 2010 22:40 GMT
#247
Damm and i was thinking that gg.net threads was funnys this is away better ^^


I Can Fly...
Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1013 Posts
January 08 2010 22:57 GMT
#248
On January 09 2010 06:00 Chaos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 05:22 Freezard wrote:
On January 08 2010 07:32 ceaRshaf wrote:
This is the higher level for foreign.!

Well, then I had too high expectations I guess. This was terrible play by Cloud. It seems he just focused 100% on macro and didn't even watch the battles. He never even stormed many templars even though he had tons of energy and storm, annoyed me a lot. Felt like he surrendered before the game was over.

As for G5's play, well, I guess it was the perfect counter to Cloud's type of play - not giving him time. Still remains to see how good he is.


When I watched game 1 (assuming thats the one you are talking about) storm wasn't finished when he got attacked.

No I was talking about game 2. In the end I saw 3-4 templars and since he had speedlots I really thought he had storm as well.

But now when I watch the replay I see he canceled storm 5 seconds after he started it... too bad,
would have won him the game. Weird decisions anyway:

-upgrade legs as soon as citadel finishes when he doesn't use the speedlots anyway (which delayed storm/dt)
-morph 2 archons when G5 didn't even have citadel and just ~5 zealots
-move out without observer when G5's observer sees everything

Then Cloud comes here and comments about G5 not scouting... dude, he had an observer on your forces for ages whereas you had nothing in his base.
Mentos
Profile Joined August 2003
United Kingdom203 Posts
January 08 2010 23:07 GMT
#249
LaLuSh, yeah Cloud's build was chosen pretty well given the map (game1) and the match up, and yes he did execute it correctly, but from your posts it seems like it's some kind of an achievement ... it's not. No offence but even a properly trained monkey can execute a build order, what matters is what you do with it, how you react to your opponent and how you control everything. What matters is how you >play< the game, not how good you are at theorycraft or practice. Practice means nothing if all it does for you is put you in tunnel vision mode, it means nothing if you prepare for a handful of scenarios and can't react if something doesn't go your way.
Splitting your army to look for drops that you're not even sure exist when you can clearly see that your opponent is going for all in push is a rookie mistake, so forgive me if I laugh at Cloud's claims that his prep was better.
I will also laugh at his overall behaviour in this thread, it's not a losers' place to say that his opponent played very simple or risky rounds, or this or that, his place is analyzing his mistakes and learning from them, nothing more, nothing less. That's the kind of mentality someone who truly wishes to excel at his game should show.
So no, I don't agree that G5's play was bad or even average, in fact nearly all his decisions were dead on, his control was also very good and he deserved to win hands down. Both players can always arrange a rematch if Cloud can't hold down his nerves in high stakes games, my money will still be on G5.
Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
January 08 2010 23:49 GMT
#250
g5's auto-struggle with macro will prevent him from going far in this tournament i guess.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 09 2010 00:55 GMT
#251
let's take this to the next level!!!!!!

hey liquid`nony!! i do not think that you are a very good protoss player at all!!! perhaps you should try knitting instead!!!
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
January 09 2010 01:08 GMT
#252
LOL FAKESTEVE?!
how could u say it like that
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 09 2010 01:45 GMT
#253
Congrats G5, good luck with next round!
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Pure.Freedom
Profile Joined January 2010
United States114 Posts
January 09 2010 03:40 GMT
#254
Regardless of how Cloud played (obviously not up to his full capability), i believe you have to give credit to G5. Even if G5's play did not impress you, just remember that a. this is a foreigner tournament, not a korean one, and b. G5 made the top 48 on the TSL ladder, and has now moved on to round two in qualifiers... that takes skill

So, congratulations G5
What you need to do is be thankful for the life you got, you know what im sayin? ... stop lookin at what you ain't got ... start bein thankful for what you do got.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
January 09 2010 04:55 GMT
#255
On January 09 2010 09:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
let's take this to the next level!!!!!!

hey liquid`nony!! i do not think that you are a very good protoss player at all!!! perhaps you should try knitting instead!!!

underwater knitting is where it's at
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
CakeOrI)eath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States327 Posts
January 09 2010 06:59 GMT
#256
After downloading the replay files I really want G5 to at least beat FlaF and then take Ret to game 5 just so the file can be named:
G5_G5_vs_Ret.rep
Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
January 09 2010 22:56 GMT
#257
If it really gets that bad during tournaments, Cloud, you should have a beer or two.
Seriously, I really think that would help.

As for not shaking hands when you play shit, well that's just silly and I hope you'll understand that...although I'm not surprised since italians arent very nice people, no offence.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-10 01:54:33
January 10 2010 01:54 GMT
#258
On January 09 2010 13:55 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 09:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
let's take this to the next level!!!!!!

hey liquid`nony!! i do not think that you are a very good protoss player at all!!! perhaps you should try knitting instead!!!

underwater knitting is where it's at

Basket weaving I should think.
alexpnd
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1857 Posts
January 10 2010 09:10 GMT
#259
Cloud. I agree with you. I think even by looking at your base design (eg. look at destination game, clouds base vs g5's base, g5's is messy) you can tell who is more prepared. In the end all the theory/knowledge doesn't count if you do not apply it, you failed to have storm, you lost. Sorry. Next time with storm you will win. That is it. No second chances this time bro. I think you are great though, just letting you know that there are mistakes you made.
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anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
January 11 2010 02:05 GMT
#260
i find it interesting, starcraft is the only competitive gaming community i have ever seen where a top player can lose a match (not just here, many other examples)... then "he played so bad, i expected him to play smart and this is why i lost he is a bad player" instead of realizing that he got outplayed based on that very expectation right there.

and being nervous isn't an excuse, that's part of the skill in any tournament game.
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