• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 02:37
CET 08:37
KST 16:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1583 users

ClouD vs G5 Results and Interview - Page 13

Forum Index > TSL2 Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 Next All
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17731 Posts
January 08 2010 20:52 GMT
#241
your games vs idra will produce more than that
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
OhThatDang
Profile Joined August 2004
United States4685 Posts
January 08 2010 20:53 GMT
#242
On January 09 2010 04:39 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 03:30 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
On January 09 2010 02:19 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On January 08 2010 23:54 SkelA wrote:
Ok there is a good chance of Flaf wining next match Cloud pvz alot better than G5.

it doesn't matter how good cloud's pvz is

On January 08 2010 22:09 ret wrote:
It's sad this thread derailed like it did.

i thought it has stayed on topic :o






Stating the opinion that flaf has better chances winning vs g5 than vs cloud because u think clouds pvz is better than g5s is totally fine and makes sense

what a stupid response is this of yours ?

Seriously ?


as motbob pointed out, that isnt what skela wrote. i just read and responded to what he wrote. and why do you always have this disbelief? seriously? did you even watch the replay? what a stupid response is this of yours? give us a break.

Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 03:48 SkelA wrote:
Yea english is not my first language you calling me dumb because of that? Let me see you understand my native language then eh.. I asure you wont understand a word does this makes you a retard then ?

who are you talking to? nobody called you dumb. he called magic~phil dumb. just give up kid

Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 04:02 mdb wrote:I perfectly understood what skela meant, i mean its not like he wrote something very difficult to understand.

in skela's sentence, if you replace "good" with "better" then it would make sense. huge difference in meaning between those two and there's never any instance where one can mean the other. so i dont see how it's so easy to understand. but if you read skela's post history, you'd familiarize yourself with his habit of writing nonsense. so you wouldnt think "oh he accidentally didnt use a comparative" but rather "where are some pins so i can gouge out my eyes"


Lol is there really an argument over what was said....

Its simply meaning that Because cloud has a better pvz than G5 in his opinion, he believes that G5 is going to lose the match. That's all that skela says
troi oi thang map nai!!!
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
January 08 2010 20:58 GMT
#243
I agree that my english is not that good but I think anyone with half a brain and a little logic can understand my post... -_-
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Chaos
Profile Joined July 2009
United States772 Posts
January 08 2010 21:00 GMT
#244
On January 09 2010 05:22 Freezard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2010 07:32 ceaRshaf wrote:
This is the higher level for foreign.!

Well, then I had too high expectations I guess. This was terrible play by Cloud. It seems he just focused 100% on macro and didn't even watch the battles. He never even stormed many templars even though he had tons of energy and storm, annoyed me a lot. Felt like he surrendered before the game was over.

As for G5's play, well, I guess it was the perfect counter to Cloud's type of play - not giving him time. Still remains to see how good he is.


When I watched game 1 (assuming thats the one you are talking about) storm wasn't finished when he got attacked.
FruitMarket
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-08 21:15:13
January 08 2010 21:11 GMT
#245
On January 09 2010 05:53 OhThatDang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 04:39 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On January 09 2010 03:30 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
On January 09 2010 02:19 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On January 08 2010 23:54 SkelA wrote:
Ok there is a good chance of Flaf wining next match Cloud pvz alot better than G5.

it doesn't matter how good cloud's pvz is

On January 08 2010 22:09 ret wrote:
It's sad this thread derailed like it did.

i thought it has stayed on topic :o






Stating the opinion that flaf has better chances winning vs g5 than vs cloud because u think clouds pvz is better than g5s is totally fine and makes sense

what a stupid response is this of yours ?

Seriously ?


as motbob pointed out, that isnt what skela wrote. i just read and responded to what he wrote. and why do you always have this disbelief? seriously? did you even watch the replay? what a stupid response is this of yours? give us a break.

On January 09 2010 03:48 SkelA wrote:
Yea english is not my first language you calling me dumb because of that? Let me see you understand my native language then eh.. I asure you wont understand a word does this makes you a retard then ?

who are you talking to? nobody called you dumb. he called magic~phil dumb. just give up kid

On January 09 2010 04:02 mdb wrote:I perfectly understood what skela meant, i mean its not like he wrote something very difficult to understand.

in skela's sentence, if you replace "good" with "better" then it would make sense. huge difference in meaning between those two and there's never any instance where one can mean the other. so i dont see how it's so easy to understand. but if you read skela's post history, you'd familiarize yourself with his habit of writing nonsense. so you wouldnt think "oh he accidentally didnt use a comparative" but rather "where are some pins so i can gouge out my eyes"


Lol is there really an argument over what was said....

Its simply meaning that Because cloud has a better pvz than G5 in his opinion, he believes that G5 is going to lose the match. That's all that skela says

What are you saying differently than what's already been said? What's the point of your post?

See how PvP makes everybody crazy and stupid. Surely everyone can empathize with Cloud now that we see how crazy people post after just watching PvP, not even playing it. Except me of course ezly
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
January 08 2010 22:15 GMT
#246
On January 09 2010 06:11 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 05:53 OhThatDang wrote:
On January 09 2010 04:39 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On January 09 2010 03:30 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
On January 09 2010 02:19 Liquid`NonY wrote:
On January 08 2010 23:54 SkelA wrote:
Ok there is a good chance of Flaf wining next match Cloud pvz alot better than G5.

it doesn't matter how good cloud's pvz is

On January 08 2010 22:09 ret wrote:
It's sad this thread derailed like it did.

i thought it has stayed on topic :o






Stating the opinion that flaf has better chances winning vs g5 than vs cloud because u think clouds pvz is better than g5s is totally fine and makes sense

what a stupid response is this of yours ?

Seriously ?


as motbob pointed out, that isnt what skela wrote. i just read and responded to what he wrote. and why do you always have this disbelief? seriously? did you even watch the replay? what a stupid response is this of yours? give us a break.

On January 09 2010 03:48 SkelA wrote:
Yea english is not my first language you calling me dumb because of that? Let me see you understand my native language then eh.. I asure you wont understand a word does this makes you a retard then ?

who are you talking to? nobody called you dumb. he called magic~phil dumb. just give up kid

On January 09 2010 04:02 mdb wrote:I perfectly understood what skela meant, i mean its not like he wrote something very difficult to understand.

in skela's sentence, if you replace "good" with "better" then it would make sense. huge difference in meaning between those two and there's never any instance where one can mean the other. so i dont see how it's so easy to understand. but if you read skela's post history, you'd familiarize yourself with his habit of writing nonsense. so you wouldnt think "oh he accidentally didnt use a comparative" but rather "where are some pins so i can gouge out my eyes"


Lol is there really an argument over what was said....

Its simply meaning that Because cloud has a better pvz than G5 in his opinion, he believes that G5 is going to lose the match. That's all that skela says

What are you saying differently than what's already been said? What's the point of your post?

See how PvP makes everybody crazy and stupid. Surely everyone can empathize with Cloud now that we see how crazy people post after just watching PvP, not even playing it. Except me of course ezly

This makes me hope there are no TvTs.
SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
January 08 2010 22:40 GMT
#247
Damm and i was thinking that gg.net threads was funnys this is away better ^^


I Can Fly...
Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1012 Posts
January 08 2010 22:57 GMT
#248
On January 09 2010 06:00 Chaos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 05:22 Freezard wrote:
On January 08 2010 07:32 ceaRshaf wrote:
This is the higher level for foreign.!

Well, then I had too high expectations I guess. This was terrible play by Cloud. It seems he just focused 100% on macro and didn't even watch the battles. He never even stormed many templars even though he had tons of energy and storm, annoyed me a lot. Felt like he surrendered before the game was over.

As for G5's play, well, I guess it was the perfect counter to Cloud's type of play - not giving him time. Still remains to see how good he is.


When I watched game 1 (assuming thats the one you are talking about) storm wasn't finished when he got attacked.

No I was talking about game 2. In the end I saw 3-4 templars and since he had speedlots I really thought he had storm as well.

But now when I watch the replay I see he canceled storm 5 seconds after he started it... too bad,
would have won him the game. Weird decisions anyway:

-upgrade legs as soon as citadel finishes when he doesn't use the speedlots anyway (which delayed storm/dt)
-morph 2 archons when G5 didn't even have citadel and just ~5 zealots
-move out without observer when G5's observer sees everything

Then Cloud comes here and comments about G5 not scouting... dude, he had an observer on your forces for ages whereas you had nothing in his base.
Mentos
Profile Joined August 2003
United Kingdom203 Posts
January 08 2010 23:07 GMT
#249
LaLuSh, yeah Cloud's build was chosen pretty well given the map (game1) and the match up, and yes he did execute it correctly, but from your posts it seems like it's some kind of an achievement ... it's not. No offence but even a properly trained monkey can execute a build order, what matters is what you do with it, how you react to your opponent and how you control everything. What matters is how you >play< the game, not how good you are at theorycraft or practice. Practice means nothing if all it does for you is put you in tunnel vision mode, it means nothing if you prepare for a handful of scenarios and can't react if something doesn't go your way.
Splitting your army to look for drops that you're not even sure exist when you can clearly see that your opponent is going for all in push is a rookie mistake, so forgive me if I laugh at Cloud's claims that his prep was better.
I will also laugh at his overall behaviour in this thread, it's not a losers' place to say that his opponent played very simple or risky rounds, or this or that, his place is analyzing his mistakes and learning from them, nothing more, nothing less. That's the kind of mentality someone who truly wishes to excel at his game should show.
So no, I don't agree that G5's play was bad or even average, in fact nearly all his decisions were dead on, his control was also very good and he deserved to win hands down. Both players can always arrange a rematch if Cloud can't hold down his nerves in high stakes games, my money will still be on G5.
Texas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Germany2388 Posts
January 08 2010 23:49 GMT
#250
g5's auto-struggle with macro will prevent him from going far in this tournament i guess.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 09 2010 00:55 GMT
#251
let's take this to the next level!!!!!!

hey liquid`nony!! i do not think that you are a very good protoss player at all!!! perhaps you should try knitting instead!!!
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
January 09 2010 01:08 GMT
#252
LOL FAKESTEVE?!
how could u say it like that
R
O
F
L
http://www.twitter.com/NiGoLBW playing league on a competitive level
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
January 09 2010 01:45 GMT
#253
Congrats G5, good luck with next round!
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Pure.Freedom
Profile Joined January 2010
United States114 Posts
January 09 2010 03:40 GMT
#254
Regardless of how Cloud played (obviously not up to his full capability), i believe you have to give credit to G5. Even if G5's play did not impress you, just remember that a. this is a foreigner tournament, not a korean one, and b. G5 made the top 48 on the TSL ladder, and has now moved on to round two in qualifiers... that takes skill

So, congratulations G5
What you need to do is be thankful for the life you got, you know what im sayin? ... stop lookin at what you ain't got ... start bein thankful for what you do got.
NonY
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
8751 Posts
January 09 2010 04:55 GMT
#255
On January 09 2010 09:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
let's take this to the next level!!!!!!

hey liquid`nony!! i do not think that you are a very good protoss player at all!!! perhaps you should try knitting instead!!!

underwater knitting is where it's at
"Fucking up is part of it. If you can't fail, you have to always win. And I don't think you can always win." Elliott Smith ---------- Yet no sudden rage darkened his face, and his eyes were calm as they studied her. Then he smiled. 'Witness.'
CakeOrI)eath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States327 Posts
January 09 2010 06:59 GMT
#256
After downloading the replay files I really want G5 to at least beat FlaF and then take Ret to game 5 just so the file can be named:
G5_G5_vs_Ret.rep
Opportunities multiply as they are seized.
Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
January 09 2010 22:56 GMT
#257
If it really gets that bad during tournaments, Cloud, you should have a beer or two.
Seriously, I really think that would help.

As for not shaking hands when you play shit, well that's just silly and I hope you'll understand that...although I'm not surprised since italians arent very nice people, no offence.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3822 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-10 01:54:33
January 10 2010 01:54 GMT
#258
On January 09 2010 13:55 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2010 09:55 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
let's take this to the next level!!!!!!

hey liquid`nony!! i do not think that you are a very good protoss player at all!!! perhaps you should try knitting instead!!!

underwater knitting is where it's at

Basket weaving I should think.
alexpnd
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1857 Posts
January 10 2010 09:10 GMT
#259
Cloud. I agree with you. I think even by looking at your base design (eg. look at destination game, clouds base vs g5's base, g5's is messy) you can tell who is more prepared. In the end all the theory/knowledge doesn't count if you do not apply it, you failed to have storm, you lost. Sorry. Next time with storm you will win. That is it. No second chances this time bro. I think you are great though, just letting you know that there are mistakes you made.
www.brainyweb.ca //web stuff!
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
January 11 2010 02:05 GMT
#260
i find it interesting, starcraft is the only competitive gaming community i have ever seen where a top player can lose a match (not just here, many other examples)... then "he played so bad, i expected him to play smart and this is why i lost he is a bad player" instead of realizing that he got outplayed based on that very expectation right there.

and being nervous isn't an excuse, that's part of the skill in any tournament game.
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 24m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 210
NeuroSwarm 158
StarCraft: Brood War
Zeus 587
Soma 113
soO 49
PianO 33
League of Legends
JimRising 581
Reynor35
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 292
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King332
Other Games
summit1g17238
fl0m552
WinterStarcraft494
Hui .112
Models4
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick659
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1738
• HappyZerGling144
Upcoming Events
OSC
1h 24m
Wardi Open
4h 24m
Wardi Open
8h 24m
Replay Cast
15h 24m
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 4h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
BSL 21
5 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.