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Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 01:54:15
December 21 2009 02:25 GMT
#1
really fun interview where ret expresses his opinions about the groups in TSL. in the following days i will also release one of idra doing the same.

youtubes are up!: (for slightly better quality and all in one go, there is a link below the youtubes)






ret on the TSL group stage with predictions!

enjoy!
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 02:48:33
December 21 2009 02:26 GMT
#2
Good insight into the TSL quali's especially because I don't know most of the players thanks for this!
Writer
Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
December 21 2009 02:28 GMT
#3
sweet
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 21 2009 02:28 GMT
#4
Watching it, cant wait for it to buffer all the way. Might take all night the way its going
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
December 21 2009 02:31 GMT
#5
im getting reasonably good at getting these things onto youtube, so it should be up there in a decent amount of time.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
SiDX
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand1975 Posts
December 21 2009 02:31 GMT
#6
cool nice work
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
December 21 2009 02:32 GMT
#7
nice!!!
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
yes9111
Profile Joined May 2009
United States420 Posts
December 21 2009 02:47 GMT
#8
Excellent video
Ret is such an interesting person with lots of things to talk about
Artosis with awesome questions as usual.
STORK WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
December 21 2009 02:54 GMT
#9
bulgarians own eh?
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
December 21 2009 02:59 GMT
#10
Great and lolling interview! Thanks alot to both of you.
화이팅
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51683 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 03:11:23
December 21 2009 03:07 GMT
#11
off topic but will you be doing another courage video for this month (he said iirc it will be on sunday).
if so i look forward to more rants on tight jeans and possibly k-pop.

(can't watch video atm capped )
Commentator
renchak
Profile Joined April 2009
209 Posts
December 21 2009 03:08 GMT
#12
Thanks for the interview artosis!
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
December 21 2009 03:12 GMT
#13
comments on Yan made me chuckle.
thanks so much for your videos. truly awesome
puttputt
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada240 Posts
December 21 2009 03:37 GMT
#14
Bulgarian posters don't fuck around
from saskatchewan? saskgamers.com
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
December 21 2009 03:45 GMT
#15
Really enjoyed this esp. the Nemu talk. Thanks artosis and ret!
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2929 Posts
December 21 2009 03:46 GMT
#16
Thanks for interviews, can't wait for TSL matches they should be real fun
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
ToN
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada245 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 03:49:33
December 21 2009 03:49 GMT
#17
Thanks so much. Didn't know a lot about these players so your insights were hilarious yet insightful.
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
December 21 2009 03:49 GMT
#18
Awesome thanks artosis. It was both funny and informative. Now eagerly awaiting Idra's....
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
December 21 2009 03:56 GMT
#19
Horror, if he can find a good place to proxy a factory, he may win a game here.

lol
lazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia3119 Posts
December 21 2009 03:59 GMT
#20
love your videos artosis!
GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
December 21 2009 03:59 GMT
#21
Preemptive thanks since I'm waiting for the video to load in the background. I always appreciate the videos that you put up.
twitter: @terrancem
Speake
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States494 Posts
December 21 2009 04:03 GMT
#22
i lol'd so hard at

"dah-to-by"
"it's dah-toe-by"
".. dah-to-by"
tQ.Speake
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
December 21 2009 04:06 GMT
#23
LOL "Bulgarian posters don't fuck around"
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
zergpower123
Profile Joined December 2009
United States197 Posts
December 21 2009 04:07 GMT
#24
dling it right now! As a ret fan, cannot miss anything of him

A idra one coming soon eh? I'm sure its gonna cause an uproar with whatever he says lol.

Artosis, please do a video of ret playing!!!
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
December 21 2009 04:11 GMT
#25
poor nyoken most ul guy ever =[
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 21 2009 04:13 GMT
#26
Another koll fan! yeah!!! Hope ret does well, same with mondragon
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 21 2009 04:21 GMT
#27
Great stuff! :D Can't wait to hear what Idra has to say.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
December 21 2009 04:25 GMT
#28
You need to show us more stuff, Artosis, because it's always the sweetest shit. Makes my day every time you post videos. Thanks.
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
December 21 2009 04:27 GMT
#29
artosisss you the man
KTY
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 04:52:38
December 21 2009 04:37 GMT
#30
lol
"these bulgarian posters, they don't fuck around.

they don't lie about shit."
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
banana
Profile Joined January 2009
Netherlands1189 Posts
December 21 2009 04:51 GMT
#31
BIA has leaked secret information to ret, thanks for sharing!

love the video's, need the artosis weekly back too! :3
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
December 21 2009 05:03 GMT
#32
On December 21 2009 13:51 noth1n wrote:

love the video's, need the artosis weekly back too! :3


prolly 1-2 more weeks before weekly show starts back up again. been very busy!
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
SiDX
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand1975 Posts
December 21 2009 05:37 GMT
#33
haha bulgarian posters was epic
intrudor
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada446 Posts
December 21 2009 05:39 GMT
#34
wow lol...i never saw the irony coming in his comments about nemu lol..
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Manaldski
Profile Joined January 2004
229 Posts
December 21 2009 06:20 GMT
#35
I found some reps of Nemu:

http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=26952&key=46e3db
http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=26953&key=cfaa3c
Kingsp4de20
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States716 Posts
December 21 2009 06:45 GMT
#36
nice
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
December 21 2009 07:39 GMT
#37
nice
StarN
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2587 Posts
December 21 2009 07:48 GMT
#38
LOL those bulgarian posters don't fuck around. <3 Ret.
Retired BW Noob
Dooba
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Croatia588 Posts
December 21 2009 07:58 GMT
#39
Thanks for the video! can't wait for idra's view on things
"Zergs are really stronger. I use to win 60-70%, now it is 40-50. I am switching to civilization 5 for now until any terran can come up with a better tactics."
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 21 2009 08:12 GMT
#40
I dont like the idea kollls not going to make it but I have to agree with ret that he might very well be one of the gamers who should definitely be in the ro 16 but wont make it..

i <3 these videos I would appreciate if artosis could make some more of these..
so awesome really
hatred outlives the hateful
CongoJack
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada417 Posts
December 21 2009 08:25 GMT
#41
Thanks Artosis and ret.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
December 21 2009 08:42 GMT
#42
nice interview I agree with most of ret's predictions.

As far as my group goes I certainly agree mondragon is the favorite and it is his group to lose. I just want to make it that for and go for the upset Technics/Shaman will be hard!
FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
December 21 2009 08:46 GMT
#43
Don't underestimate Sawyer!!!!!!
Waffles
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Romania605 Posts
December 21 2009 08:49 GMT
#44
these bulgarians are for real, they dont lie about shit, unlike romanians.
iG.SwOrD
Profile Joined October 2009
Bulgaria183 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 08:53:22
December 21 2009 08:51 GMT
#45
ret have read my post about nemu obviously! good stuff
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
December 21 2009 10:22 GMT
#46
i agree with all of the predictions.

GJ artosis.
I am not good with quotes
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 10:55:56
December 21 2009 10:55 GMT
#47
"Really?
He's on my list of who the hell is that guy"

i like that part
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
December 21 2009 11:00 GMT
#48
GOGO RET
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
December 21 2009 11:10 GMT
#49
I agree with most of his predictions.

However i think he is wrong with Sawyer. No offense but i think he is clearly one of the weakest players and has 0 chances in his group.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Jaeden
Profile Joined September 2008
Romania1489 Posts
December 21 2009 11:15 GMT
#50
awesome as always
waiting for the Idra one.
also, GO SHAMAN!
Boxer: " Lee Jae Dong is the best player. He`s all about the micro; he`s the player which has the most amazing control"
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
December 21 2009 11:35 GMT
#51
haha great vod, i love the horror part :D
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
Sauron
Profile Joined November 2008
Romania169 Posts
December 21 2009 11:56 GMT
#52
Romanian posters don't fuck around either!
Soothsayer
Skeggaba
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1556 Posts
December 21 2009 12:00 GMT
#53
I have the cravings for another SC weekly artosis! Man those are soooo goooood, and you better establish a brand name before SC2 hit the shelves, so the show will be able to transfer to ESPN e.g.
Bisu[about JD]=I was scared (laughs). The force emanating from his facial expression was so manly that I was even a little jealous.
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
December 21 2009 12:01 GMT
#54
lol

and when I say "lol", I am not fucking around.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
December 21 2009 12:23 GMT
#55
da-ta-by lol
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
December 21 2009 12:45 GMT
#56
Nice, and I see the courage video is up on youtube again. Thanks artosis.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
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Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
December 21 2009 12:46 GMT
#57
Sweet. Big love to Artosis and Ret!
ZhenMiChan
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Netherlands1181 Posts
December 21 2009 13:16 GMT
#58
Thanks for the interview artosis!!
Studying Chinese~
Belano
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden657 Posts
December 21 2009 13:23 GMT
#59
Thanks for the interview!

But Artosis man, give us some of that weekly news. I'm sure everyone wants to hear you flame some abusers;)
Bring back 1 supply roaches.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
December 21 2009 13:54 GMT
#60
this was hilarious, I love ret's deadpan delivery
✌
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
December 21 2009 14:00 GMT
#61
This was great... =D
Jaedong :3
SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
December 21 2009 14:05 GMT
#62
Nice :D
I Can Fly...
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
December 21 2009 14:16 GMT
#63
Love your vids artosis!! Big thanks!
4649!!
frozenclaw
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada410 Posts
December 21 2009 14:52 GMT
#64
Love ret's non-style stylistic approach. It works so well for him. Artosis+Ret = best conversations on camera.
Kimaker
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2131 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 15:50:59
December 21 2009 15:47 GMT
#65
LOLOL

Artosis: DA-tuhby
ret:de-TOBY
Artosis...
ARtosis:DA-tuhby.

later...

ret:"I don't see myself losing to a guy named Flaf."

This video is golden!
Entusman #54 (-_-) ||"Gold is for the Mistress-Silver for the Maid-Copper for the craftsman cunning in his trade. "Good!" said the Baron, sitting in his hall, But Iron — Cold Iron — is master of them all|| "Optimism is Cowardice."- Oswald Spengler
bugsybins
Profile Joined December 2009
Brazil29 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 16:53:35
December 21 2009 16:02 GMT
#66
Damn, the site doesn't load.
It REALLY doesn't work, can somebody host it somewhere else?
Ahem...
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 21 2009 17:11 GMT
#67
I gotta agree about kolll not making it
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FlamyDeath
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Netherlands146 Posts
December 21 2009 17:11 GMT
#68
works now... sorta.
We real cool. We Left school. We Lurk Late. We Strike Straight. We Sing sin. We Thin gin. We Jazz June. We Die soon
GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
December 21 2009 17:20 GMT
#69
On December 22 2009 01:02 bugsybins wrote:
Damn, the site doesn't load.
It REALLY doesn't work, can somebody host it somewhere else?

If you bothered to read 4 posts below the original (should actually be in view when looking at the first post) you would see Artosis said he is working on putting it up to youtube.
twitter: @terrancem
Rabbet
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada404 Posts
December 21 2009 17:47 GMT
#70
I definately agree about group L, it should have been in the poll. I wouldn't underestimate Sawyer either.
Steveh
Profile Joined October 2009
United States112 Posts
December 21 2009 18:01 GMT
#71
good interview. the interviews have been getting better and better
meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
December 21 2009 18:02 GMT
#72
Thanks. This was very interesting.. strangely, he claims that Gamtja is the most undeserving person in the groups.
An ugly planet. A bug planet.
Scooge
Profile Joined December 2008
Iceland144 Posts
December 21 2009 18:16 GMT
#73
Love the video, but why the ultra closeup on ret the whole interview?
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
December 21 2009 18:20 GMT
#74
On December 22 2009 03:02 meathook wrote:
Thanks. This was very interesting.. strangely, he claims that Gamtja is the most undeserving person in the groups.


Who do you think it is?
No I'm never serious.
Beside_kr
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada902 Posts
December 21 2009 18:33 GMT
#75
On December 22 2009 03:02 meathook wrote:
Thanks. This was very interesting.. strangely, he claims that Gamtja is the most undeserving person in the groups.


to be fair he said Gamtja or TechnicS and he wanted to say MiKoeL but didn't really know him
Cuffs, cuffs, you can't break those cuffs
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
December 21 2009 18:50 GMT
#76
the thing is there are like only supergood players in tsl so to be "the most underdeserved player" doesnt really mean ur bad if u know what i mean, the bar is pretty high and gamtja is a really good (actually extraordinary) gamer for practicing so little
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
EvilSky
Profile Joined March 2006
Czech Republic548 Posts
December 21 2009 19:05 GMT
#77
Mikoel is actually a really really old school player, I remember way back when I was starting out he had like 10k games on Europe, and it was years ago. He used to play Z, was on the spanish national team but never at the level of suker,zelotito etc. These days I have no idea how good he is tho, must be pretty good to have gotten this far. Anyway I think Arew is gonna sweep that group, he has really cute PvZ.
GaliKo
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada207 Posts
December 21 2009 19:28 GMT
#78
Thanks Artosis
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-21 21:12:54
December 21 2009 21:10 GMT
#79
Nemu plays mostly PvZ instead of ZvZ, also abit TvZ. He went 1-5 vs KenZy in the ladder. Kenzys kinda good ZvP though. I still think Nonys hardest opponent in this group will be Horror. Atleast if Nonys PvZ is close to as good as it used to be.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
December 21 2009 21:30 GMT
#80
this was excellent!
i really hope ret wins the whole thing.
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
December 21 2009 22:08 GMT
#81
On December 22 2009 02:11 HazMat wrote:
I gotta agree about kolll not making it


I don't know about that, he might make it farther than people think.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
December 22 2009 01:54 GMT
#82
youtubes are up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=333mnpRRpco

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXJOfbscOcs
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
December 22 2009 02:13 GMT
#83
Man I love it when I see Artosis vids popping up and this one doesn't disappoint either. Had me rofl'ing multiple times.
觀過斯知仁矣.
Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
December 22 2009 02:30 GMT
#84
its either Naugrim or Kolll in group B, depending on who's better at ZvZ, im hoping naugrim
REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1904 Posts
December 22 2009 02:49 GMT
#85
I think he underestimates marwin..
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
December 22 2009 02:49 GMT
#86
Kolll is still a bit of an unknown, I really hope that he advances so we can see more games of him
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
December 22 2009 04:30 GMT
#87
Pretty awesome, thanks for the interview once again!

It defenitly helped to enlighten me on some players I don't know much about
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
DefMatrixUltra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada1992 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 05:14:26
December 22 2009 05:14 GMT
#88
Ok, the first 2 minutes I was crying with laughter.

Nemu hwaiting.
Sentient66
Profile Joined July 2009
United States651 Posts
December 22 2009 05:57 GMT
#89
Lol "Bulgarians don't fuck around."
seNsiX.421
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
December 22 2009 06:55 GMT
#90
who is Gosi[Terran]? any reps of him?
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
December 22 2009 08:50 GMT
#91
Thanks, really good people's takes on things are always interesting.
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PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 22 2009 11:14 GMT
#92
actually i think kolll has two big flaws in his games:

one is simply his inexpierence. he plays the game for only a few years compared to many guys in this taking part who have a much deeper understanding of the game ( many played it since 99 or even 98 )

his macro. I dont know if its cause he used to be a wc3 player but his weak spot in his zvp e.g. is that he simply seems not to be able to play 5 hatch drone whoring style like hayder or ret are able to..

but ZvZ is always pretty rnd anyways.. so we will see naugrim or kolll have octzerg waíting, too
hatred outlives the hateful
groro
Profile Joined March 2009
67 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 11:53:28
December 22 2009 11:53 GMT
#93
On December 22 2009 20:14 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
actually i think kolll has two big flaws in his games:

one is simply his inexpierence. he plays the game for only a few years compared to many guys in this taking part who have a much deeper understanding of the game ( many played it since 99 or even 98 )

his macro. I dont know if its cause he used to be a wc3 player but his weak spot in his zvp e.g. is that he simply seems not to be able to play 5 hatch drone whoring style like hayder or ret are able to..

but ZvZ is always pretty rnd anyways.. so we will see naugrim or kolll have octzerg waíting, too


maybe i am wrong but in that wcg games that i saw i also had the feeling that his sim city isnt sharped clean. then you are much more vulnerable to this zealot attacks. in the game draco vs jaedong the sim city looked so perfect. sunkens were hard to reach because of other buildings in the way and placed so that he also can defend it nice with drone slides.
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
December 22 2009 12:35 GMT
#94
On December 22 2009 20:14 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
actually i think kolll has two big flaws in his games:

one is simply his inexpierence. he plays the game for only a few years compared to many guys in this taking part who have a much deeper understanding of the game ( many played it since 99 or even 98 )

his macro. I dont know if its cause he used to be a wc3 player but his weak spot in his zvp e.g. is that he simply seems not to be able to play 5 hatch drone whoring style like hayder or ret are able to..

but ZvZ is always pretty rnd anyways.. so we will see naugrim or kolll have octzerg waíting, too

lol... you can only talk bullshit right Phil?
His macro actually is pretty damn good, how often do you have played him?
You just hate him cuz he played w3 once?
Unexperienced?!?!?!? Tell me ONE player that had the experience to play 3 of the 4 best players in this world in his first 1-2 years?!
He's not unexperienced, kid is rock solid and has nerves of steel.
Glaucus
Profile Joined June 2009
479 Posts
December 22 2009 12:55 GMT
#95
On December 22 2009 20:14 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
actually i think kolll has two big flaws in his games:


How many games did you play vs him?
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 22 2009 13:20 GMT
#96
On December 22 2009 21:35 iNfeRnaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2009 20:14 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
actually i think kolll has two big flaws in his games:

one is simply his inexpierence. he plays the game for only a few years compared to many guys in this taking part who have a much deeper understanding of the game ( many played it since 99 or even 98 )

his macro. I dont know if its cause he used to be a wc3 player but his weak spot in his zvp e.g. is that he simply seems not to be able to play 5 hatch drone whoring style like hayder or ret are able to..

but ZvZ is always pretty rnd anyways.. so we will see naugrim or kolll have octzerg waíting, too

lol... you can only talk bullshit right Phil?
His macro actually is pretty damn good, how often do you have played him?
You just hate him cuz he played w3 once?
Unexperienced?!?!?!? Tell me ONE player that had the experience to play 3 of the 4 best players in this world in his first 1-2 years?!
He's not unexperienced, kid is rock solid and has nerves of steel.


Im not talking about LAN experience but for HOW LONG he is playing the game at such a high level. Compare this with Mondragon, ret and many others

I do not hate him everyone here knows Im a big fan

His macro might be good but most of the time i watched his ZvPs it felt as if he just isnt that good at it and somehow does not exploit drone whoring enough and is not expanding that much in general..

He is for SURE not as experienced with tournament play as Mondragon, ret , idra and many others.. a handfull of tsl players...

and now calm down..

actually I wrote this after i saw haypro and ret play zvp and compared them to a few kolll zvps and I just saw the difference and I dont know if its macro, experience or a dislike for this match up but .. whatever..
hatred outlives the hateful
Glaucus
Profile Joined June 2009
479 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 13:55:26
December 22 2009 13:47 GMT
#97
If you play this game like 1/4th the time most others have played it then yes you are going to be less experienced. But you claim to know Kolll's weakness based on absolutely nothing. Lack of experience is rarely a weakness in SC.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
December 22 2009 14:10 GMT
#98
On December 22 2009 15:55 ilj.psa wrote:
who is Gosi[Terran]? any reps of him?

Really young, promising but very unproven Terran from Mexico. Artosis thinks he has a lot of raw talent and darkhorse potential. At WCG he disappointed though, going 1-5? in his group.
✌
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
December 22 2009 16:57 GMT
#99
On December 22 2009 03:02 meathook wrote:
Thanks. This was very interesting.. strangely, he claims that Gamtja is the most undeserving person in the groups.


Gamtja's definitely one of the most undeserving. His Austrian internet lags as if he were from China or Peru (probably what got him all the points, he was practically playing on game speed fast all his games). Macro is abysmal, like B-, and this is in fast game speed, imagine how bad it is in fastest.

Trick to beating him? Don't be fooled into being too aggressive due to the lag. You'll feel as if you had ought to have made an attack by some point, but the normal timing for that attack, adjusting for lag and altered game speed, will prolly will be a few minutes into the future.

Also you'll pretty much always have twice the amount of workers he has by the 10 minute mark, so just focus on surviving.
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
December 22 2009 17:24 GMT
#100
lol, if Sawyer was german he would win for sure!
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
ZeroCartin
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2390 Posts
December 22 2009 19:18 GMT
#101
On December 23 2009 02:24 LaughingTulkas wrote:
lol, if Sawyer was german he would win for sure!

I didnt get that joke
"My sister is on vacation in Costa Rica right now. I hope she stays a while because she's a miserable cunt." -pubbanana
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 22 2009 19:21 GMT
#102
means that Infernal is a very very skilled player and actually has what it takes but yet always fails when it comes to important games and when it matters..

( wcg , ect.. )

I hope it changes this TSL but Infernal has the hardest group of all imo
hatred outlives the hateful
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 19:50:06
December 22 2009 19:48 GMT
#103
On December 22 2009 20:14 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
I do not hate him everyone here knows Im a big fan


I thought everyone here knew you as the asshole who criticizes everyone?
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
viewer
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada662 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 21:14:32
December 22 2009 21:14 GMT
#104
I love the honesty when you guys do these videos. Good stuff
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 22 2009 22:15 GMT
#105
On December 23 2009 04:48 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2009 20:14 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
I do not hate him everyone here knows Im a big fan


I thought everyone here knew you as the asshole who criticizes everyone?


u have no clue what your talking about..
hatred outlives the hateful
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
December 22 2009 23:03 GMT
#106
If he doesn't he accidentally landed incredibly close to the mark.
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-22 23:48:02
December 22 2009 23:41 GMT
#107
On December 23 2009 04:48 HazMat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2009 20:14 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
I do not hate him everyone here knows Im a big fan


I thought everyone here knew you as the asshole who criticizes everyone?

This thread is 90% speculation and fanboysm anyway. No need to blame Phil.
That's like flaming people in the soccer thread because they prefer Man U over Barcelone.
Oh and no need to call people assholes too.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 23 2009 00:06 GMT
#108
who in particular did i criticize incontrol ?
hatred outlives the hateful
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
December 23 2009 00:09 GMT
#109
No worries phil. We've been over this. You have been stalking tourney threads getting into it with everyone who isn't fisheye for years now. Things won't change
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
December 23 2009 00:43 GMT
#110
Convinced.
hatred outlives the hateful
win8282
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Korea (South)454 Posts
December 23 2009 01:14 GMT
#111
On December 23 2009 04:21 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
means that Infernal is a very very skilled player and actually has what it takes but yet always fails when it comes to important games and when it matters..

( wcg , ect.. )

I hope it changes this TSL but Infernal has the hardest group of all imo


I always try to respect everyone in this forum, but man, I've seen Magic phil's posts everywhere @ TL and man does he talk a lot of BULL SHIT.

Koll is a weak macro player and is inexperienced?

Give me a break. Please stay away from TL. Thnx
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 23 2009 02:06 GMT
#112
On December 23 2009 10:14 win8282 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2009 04:21 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
means that Infernal is a very very skilled player and actually has what it takes but yet always fails when it comes to important games and when it matters..

( wcg , ect.. )

I hope it changes this TSL but Infernal has the hardest group of all imo


I always try to respect everyone in this forum, but man, I've seen Magic phil's posts everywhere @ TL and man does he talk a lot of BULL SHIT.

Koll is a weak macro player and is inexperienced?

Give me a break. Please stay away from TL. Thnx


Win8282 wins
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
LarJarsE
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1378 Posts
December 23 2009 03:04 GMT
#113
Artosis, thanks for the fix of ret.

For the most part, TL loves ret. At least I do. He is so damn chill and talented and I really think he deserves to win the TSL.

RET: GL HF. God speed.
since 98'
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
December 23 2009 06:15 GMT
#114
Excellent ... it's always nice to "force" the players to predict =).
Ilvy
Profile Joined September 2002
Germany2445 Posts
December 23 2009 07:19 GMT
#115
On December 23 2009 10:14 win8282 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2009 04:21 MaGic~PhiL wrote:
means that Infernal is a very very skilled player and actually has what it takes but yet always fails when it comes to important games and when it matters..

( wcg , ect.. )

I hope it changes this TSL but Infernal has the hardest group of all imo


I always try to respect everyone in this forum, but man, I've seen Magic phil's posts everywhere @ TL and man does he talk a lot of BULL SHIT.

Koll is a weak macro player and is inexperienced?

Give me a break. Please stay away from TL. Thnx


Thats kinda part of TL since a very long time , back to when Fisheye still played

It will be a Zerg winning it
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 23 2009 21:44 GMT
#116
oh my god, those bulgarian posters dont fuck arond they dont lie about shit

i cried laughing <3 ret
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
FirstProbe
Profile Joined June 2004
1206 Posts
December 26 2009 14:11 GMT
#117
http://www.iccup.com/clanwar/12639.html

Flaf INCOMING
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
December 26 2009 14:55 GMT
#118
On December 26 2009 23:11 FirstProbe wrote:
http://www.iccup.com/clanwar/12639.html

Flaf INCOMING


that is awesome.
I am not good with quotes
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
December 26 2009 23:50 GMT
#119
Rofl flaf 2-0ing White-Ra. Pretty Sick
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
exeprime
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United Kingdom643 Posts
January 10 2010 19:13 GMT
#120
On December 21 2009 17:49 Waffles wrote:
these bulgarians are for real, they dont lie about shit, unlike romanians.


...
couldn't help it.
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
January 10 2010 19:55 GMT
#121
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

nice ret
why so 진지해?
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
January 10 2010 19:56 GMT
#122
Nice anti-german-prediction fail
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4526 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-10 20:27:58
January 10 2010 20:27 GMT
#123
the groups arent over yet..
Team Liquid
Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
January 10 2010 20:31 GMT
#124
still u predicted that germans were already out
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
January 10 2010 22:54 GMT
#125
On January 11 2010 05:27 ret wrote:
the groups arent over yet..


YEAH RET! GOOD JOB! MAYBE I SHOULD LOAN YOU MY CRYSTAL BALL!

Seriously people?
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
love1another
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1844 Posts
January 12 2010 20:53 GMT
#126
Lol. I <3 Ret
"I'm learning more and more that TL isn't the place to go for advice outside of anything you need in college. It's like you guys just make up your own fantasy world shit and post it as if you've done it." - Chill
NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
January 12 2010 21:15 GMT
#127
ret is a cute bear, cuddle him! love him! noon could be mad at that guy? just look at his face.
http://www.twitter.com/NiGoLBW playing league on a competitive level
peacenl
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
550 Posts
January 12 2010 21:34 GMT
#128
Predictions are hard to make. especially in this game where even the smallest of things can make a difference in the game outcome. Therefore ret will do great, he has tourney experience, steel nerves and devoted dedication. Alot of TSL players lack any one of those requirements.
- One does not simply walk into a bar and start calling the shots.
- Failure doesn't mean you are a failure it just means you haven't succeeded yet.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 12 2010 22:35 GMT
#129
hr octoberzerg predicting flaf to win the group.. looking good so far, I hope he's not right though
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