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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
Those who wanna get paid will do what they have to to make the Play-offs. The difference is that those who are actually worth their rank are the ones who will pull through in the end. You act like getting in to the Play-offs means anything, when the "cheaters" will probably just get eliminated in the first round if they can't pull it off skill-wise. As much as I hate to say it, Honorable Play won't get you shit all when Jimmy Twogate knows his cheese alone won't get him high enough. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Yes 22k$ is at stake but what are the odds of KwarK winning it? Very very very close to 0. Hell his chance of winning 250$ is nearly 0 as well. So why sell yourself out for the chance at maybe winning 250$? Is your integrity worth that? Is being made fun of for eternity worth that? I think not. He might just well qualify. But because he did it in a chicken-shit fashion (if he does, I think he won't qualify actually) he will ALWAYS have that * next to his name or the disclaimer will be made each time he is discussed that he pussy footed his way there. To each their own. In fact, kwark's honor/integrity could very well be worth 250$, hell it could be worth less than that. He did after all, make a blog about his amazing ICCUP stats/record when he abused Longinus with 2 builds/mu's. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
You are not allowed to play more than: 6 games between D- and D+ 9 Games between C- and C+ 12 Games between B- and B+ Versus the same player. He was penalized for playing over the 12 game limit against the same player in 24 hours of play, he played 15 games vs smi.lols so the three extra games he won were just subtracted from his total points. This is something people need to be careful about because the rule is within a 24 hour period it's not that once the server clock ticks over midnight you can play 12 more games. For A rank games it is more complicated you are not able to gain more than 1000 points from the same player in a 24 hour period. This could be 8 games or a long series of games 30+ or so. | ||
KwarK
United States44439 Posts
Furthermore, I disconnected during a replay with a teammate twice while nearly B+. On December 01 2009 10:23 KwarK wrote: Also I keep discing in reps when I put the speed above x2. It's really quite annoying. Fortunately icc admins are sorting them out quickly and I've started using a D rank account to watch reps. Although complaints for those games were submitted and dealt with immediately I did play 2 (I think) games before I was reimbursed the points. That means I got +130 for each of the wins at B, rather than the +97 I would have got had I not disconnected. Obviously in something as important as TSL 66 points could make a big difference so I'm having them removed. The 3rd disconnect happened in the middle of B+ and was fixed within hours so I gained nothing from that. So a total of 357 points but at least this has happened now while I can ladder it back up. | ||
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MoRe_mInErAls
Canada1210 Posts
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KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On December 02 2009 09:36 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I tend to disagree. Yes 22k$ is at stake but what are the odds of KwarK winning it? Very very very close to 0. Hell his chance of winning 250$ is nearly 0 as well. So why sell yourself out for the chance at maybe winning 250$? Is your integrity worth that? Is being made fun of for eternity worth that? I think not. He might just well qualify. But because he did it in a chicken-shit fashion (if he does, I think he won't qualify actually) he will ALWAYS have that * next to his name or the disclaimer will be made each time he is discussed that he pussy footed his way there. To each their own. In fact, kwark's honor/integrity could very well be worth 250$, hell it could be worth less than that. He did after all, make a blog about his amazing ICCUP stats/record when he abused Longinus with 2 builds/mu's. Hold an invitational. In a ladder it's not who is 'best', it's who has the most points. Hell, if one guy has a 100% winrate and another guy has a 51% winrate the 51% can still get more points if he just plays enough games. That's how ladders work. To be fair you'd need to force players to play a set number of games, evenly divided between each matchup, on each map, at each time, against randomly selected opponents of their rank. Most TSL players refuse to play some maps and those with weaker matchups try to avoid them. It's a part of the system. Incontrols matchups. ZvZ 11-10 | 52.4% ZvP 36-11 | 76.6% ZvT 26-7 | 78.8% Less than 20% of his games are played in his weakest matchup. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Chux
Peru255 Posts
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
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Straylight
Canada706 Posts
Oh yeah sure. You're probably the same guy that calls BM on Idra when he says something along the lines of "F91 mutas are good but not up to progamer standards." Kwark seems like a nice enough dude but I don't think he's deserving of a top 12 spot. Top 48, possibly. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Gonna be funny when he will be A- playing Aon members PvZ only :p | ||
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G5
United States2922 Posts
If someone doesn't break tsl / iccup rules then who gives a shit If I smash someone and they want a re, im happy to give it to them. If I smash the same person a 2nd time and they want another re, im really happy to give it to them It's not like I am going to be like "SORRY! YOUR TOO NEWB FOR ME! I NEED TOUGH COMPETITION SO THE KIDS ON TL.NET DONT TRASH TALK ME" Aslong as it's real games, one person vs another, how can you hold it against the guy who comes out ahead in all the games, you should be praising him for that accomplishment considering both players are at the same rank or close to the same rank. The only thing I dissaprove of is when it breaks iccup / tsl rules because that is when it is truley getting out of hand. P.S. I don't dodge good players and I don't condone that type of behavior simply because its a pain in the ass for the good players. But I accept that people do that and its an okay tactic to do simply because there is no rules prohibiting such conduct. If people have a really big problem with that, petition to make it a rule (and I wish the best of luck to the admins who try and enforce that rule / keep it incheck rofl) | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
It is legal, you CAN do it.. it is FINE.. but people are going to mock you. Hence the Longinus blog, was it a surprise to you? I hope not. This is how people have viewed competition forever. @Holgerius: That is an entirely separate issue. Progamers make their livelihood there. They've earned the right to select opponents. Nobody is going to accuse BeSt, Flash, Jaedong etc.. of getting to a finals or qualifying because they selected weak opponents the entire time.. because there isn't weak opponents to select. Everything is relative and everything exponentially changes as we evaluate the levels. PS: I don't REALLY care about this subject just wanted to clarify a few things.. and add my voice to the subject matter. If people want to repeat "what does it matter?" and "look, you kinda did it here sorta.." then be my guest. I won't be defending this subject into the ground. That doesn't mean I am saying "bam here is my argument and now I walk away" j ust I don't wanna clutter this page up TOO much with my argument  | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
I'm not pro, but I lose more than 1 in 10 to smi.lols ... and all those games vs AON members ? Looks mighty suspicious for a guy who could barely even stay B- a week ago | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On December 02 2009 09:23 Glaucus wrote: Don't call it dumb. TL staff made a good decision. New players can qualify and make a name for themselves thanks to a ladder. Not to mention it's disrespectful to TL staff. what the hell are you on about i am all for the ladder qualification and i believe it's the best way to get the community involved. i highly respect and appreciate all the hard work and commitment that staff put in to make this work. yes it was indeed a good decision to implement the ladder qualification, and also a good chance for new players to make a name for themselves. that doesn't mean it's perfect. i was merely expressing the one aspect that i dislike about the system. how is this disrespecting the staff? am i not allowed voice my opinion? also, i meant that playing teammates and bashing lower ranked is dumb. not the system. not the staff. not their decision. ps kwark i don't mean to put you down. i am not even directly accusing you of bashing, but your matchlist brought up some prevalent "abuse" possibilities in my head. i know how much sweat you put into tsl laddering. my apologies if you took offense to what i said earlier. | ||
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KwarK
United States44439 Posts
On December 02 2009 11:01 Louder wrote: uh... http://www.iccup.com/matchlist/290349/1x1.html I'm not pro, but I lose more than 1 in 10 to smi.lols ... and all those games vs AON members ? Looks mighty suspicious for a guy who could barely even stay B- a week ago AoN.KwarK B+ for a while. I had a bad streak. And lols was on tilt and playing awfully. That's why I kept giving him re's and lost track of how many. When someone is playing far below their rank and trying to rush everything to get points back you just sit back and let them. I'm no longer going to play AoN members to avoid future issues. | ||
Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32282 Posts
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