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+ Show Spoiler +Xenocide_Knight was just temp banned for 2 weeks by boesthius.
That account was created on 2008-01-25 00:45:53 and had 1030 posts.
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And that's why sc2 is not a very good competitive game..
Thank god an article like this finally came out. If TL wants to be a professional e-sport covering website, it should be 90% about the ONLY professional e-sport. BW.
You've been banned before for this exact same thing. You're making this too easy for me.
darkscream was just temp banned for 1 week by EvilTeletubby.
That account was created on 2010-12-04 11:00:59 and had 191 posts.
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On May 12 2011 17:31 darkscream wrote:
More of the usual TL drivel, O HARKEN THE DAYS OF BROOD WAR, WHERE PLAYERS WERE BETTER AND PEOPLE WHO READ ABOUT THE PLAYERS WERE ALSO BETTER
give me a break, if these guys had any SC2 skill they'd be playing SC2 since that's where the money is, obviously they are super powerful at broodwar and I hope they stay there, as the game is ancient and without major following outside of korea and teamliquid.net
also, how come you can write what is essentially a troll article? If I wrote a troll post on the forums I'd get banned. Yet this article does nothing but
a) make the BW nostalgia crew fap with anticipation
b) anger/confuse newer fans of SC2 who don't give a rat's ass about BW
c) bait trolling
Don't like it, that's fine, but if you're going to simply refer to it as 'trolling' because you disagree, then get out.
TL.net Bot TL.net. May 12 2011 18:09. Posts 6 PM Profile Quote #
Inori was just temp banned for 1 week by EvilTeletubby.
That account was created on 2010-03-07 15:11:39 and had 959 posts.
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On May 12 2011 18:06 Inori wrote:
I don't get the point of this. Why is this even featured as FE?
So you're saying that top players, who, for the last 5-10 years, spent their time playing SC1 for 10+ hours a day would be successful in its predecessor? Captain Obvious, that you?
Way to be a dick and not contribute. You have a ton of warnings about this same thing, are you going to learn?
LwReisen was just temp banned for 1 week by EvilTeletubby.
That account was created on 2011-03-15 21:06:06 and had 62 posts.
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On May 12 2011 18:10 LwReisen wrote:
This editorial is just a reminder that TL is two things above all else.
1) TL is a BW community, first and foremost. It will always support the ex-BW players over the people who started out with sc2 and wc3 first up. That's just the way TL is.
2) The TL community is full of Korean fanboys. This article only reinforces this fact; hardcore TLers believe that GSL is the only tournament in the world and pretty much discounts any other tournament, unless it's won by a Korean. You can see this clearly through the grand total of 0 mentions of top tier foreigners.
I don't mind this massive troll (sorry, but that's what it is) being on the front page, because it serves as a reminder where TL was first spawned.
Admins gave far too much latitude to intrigue, and this article only serves to add gas to the fire.
You disagreeing with something doesn't make it a troll. Stop being so close minded.
Kekeke, it has started. Like moths to a flame.
Edit: Sorry, I'm probably enjoying this more then I should. XD
Another Edit: This is too fun, here is another one to balance out the bans of BW and Sc2 supporters :D.
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On May 12 2011 18:13 Reaper9 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Xenocide_Knight was just temp banned for 2 weeks by boesthius.
That account was created on 2008-01-25 00:45:53 and had 1030 posts.
Reason:
And that's why sc2 is not a very good competitive game..
Thank god an article like this finally came out. If TL wants to be a professional e-sport covering website, it should be 90% about the ONLY professional e-sport. BW.
You've been banned before for this exact same thing. You're making this too easy for me.
darkscream was just temp banned for 1 week by EvilTeletubby.
That account was created on 2010-12-04 11:00:59 and had 191 posts.
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On May 12 2011 17:31 darkscream wrote:
More of the usual TL drivel, O HARKEN THE DAYS OF BROOD WAR, WHERE PLAYERS WERE BETTER AND PEOPLE WHO READ ABOUT THE PLAYERS WERE ALSO BETTER
give me a break, if these guys had any SC2 skill they'd be playing SC2 since that's where the money is, obviously they are super powerful at broodwar and I hope they stay there, as the game is ancient and without major following outside of korea and teamliquid.net
also, how come you can write what is essentially a troll article? If I wrote a troll post on the forums I'd get banned. Yet this article does nothing but
a) make the BW nostalgia crew fap with anticipation
b) anger/confuse newer fans of SC2 who don't give a rat's ass about BW
c) bait trolling
Don't like it, that's fine, but if you're going to simply refer to it as 'trolling' because you disagree, then get out.
TL.net Bot TL.net. May 12 2011 18:09. Posts 6 PM Profile Quote #
Inori was just temp banned for 1 week by EvilTeletubby.
That account was created on 2010-03-07 15:11:39 and had 959 posts.
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On May 12 2011 18:06 Inori wrote:
I don't get the point of this. Why is this even featured as FE?
So you're saying that top players, who, for the last 5-10 years, spent their time playing SC1 for 10+ hours a day would be successful in its predecessor? Captain Obvious, that you?
Way to be a dick and not contribute. You have a ton of warnings about this same thing, are you going to learn? Kekeke, it has started. Like moths to a flame. Edit: Sorry, I'm probably enjoying this more then I should. XD
it will only grow 
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I'm pretty sad that the mods are starting to swing the banhammer so freely in that thread as it really really reads like a troll OP and the creator instead of getting a warning instead gets put on the front page.
Edit: To clarify I'm not calling it a troll thread because I dislike it, I'm calling it a troll thread because he uses it to judge the SC2 and community rather then try to just highlight the potential of BW players that haven't switched vs those who have.
Edit2: Also EvilTeletubby making posts like;
On May 12 2011 18:06 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 18:03 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 12 2011 18:01 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 17:59 tdt wrote:
This thread is growing faster than a SC2 LR thread...hmmm. Yeah, noticed that too. Amazed how riled up everyone seems to get. It's a front page post that attacks the entire SC2 community, what do you expect the response to be? Given the maturity of the SC2 community, I expect about the reaction it got.
While also banning people for calling the article a troll really bothers me.
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Zurich15325 Posts
On May 12 2011 18:40 TheButtonmen wrote:I'm pretty sad that the mods are starting to swing the banhammer so freely in that thread as it really really reads like a troll OP and the creator instead of getting a warning instead gets put on the front page. Edit: To clarify I'm not calling it a troll thread because I dislike it, I'm calling it a troll thread because he uses it to judge the SC2 and community rather then try to just highlight the potential of BW players that haven't switched vs those who have. Edit2: Also EvilTeletubby making posts like; Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 18:06 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 18:03 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 12 2011 18:01 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 17:59 tdt wrote:
This thread is growing faster than a SC2 LR thread...hmmm. Yeah, noticed that too. Amazed how riled up everyone seems to get. It's a front page post that attacks the entire SC2 community, what do you expect the response to be? Given the maturity of the SC2 community, I expect about the reaction it got. While also banning people for calling the article a troll really bothers me.
Can you point to a specific ban you disagree with please?
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On May 12 2011 18:40 TheButtonmen wrote:I'm pretty sad that the mods are starting to swing the banhammer so freely in that thread as it really really reads like a troll OP and the creator instead of getting a warning instead gets put on the front page. Edit: To clarify I'm not calling it a troll thread because I dislike it, I'm calling it a troll thread because he uses it to judge the SC2 and community rather then try to just highlight the potential of BW players that haven't switched vs those who have. Edit2: Also EvilTeletubby making posts like; Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 18:06 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 18:03 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 12 2011 18:01 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 17:59 tdt wrote:
This thread is growing faster than a SC2 LR thread...hmmm. Yeah, noticed that too. Amazed how riled up everyone seems to get. It's a front page post that attacks the entire SC2 community, what do you expect the response to be? Given the maturity of the SC2 community, I expect about the reaction it got. While also banning people really bothers me.
He is just stating obvious. Does he saying that SC2 community has high concentration of immature people shows bias in any way?
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I knew the article by intrigue would gets some bans :D
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On May 12 2011 18:50 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 18:40 TheButtonmen wrote:I'm pretty sad that the mods are starting to swing the banhammer so freely in that thread as it really really reads like a troll OP and the creator instead of getting a warning instead gets put on the front page. Edit: To clarify I'm not calling it a troll thread because I dislike it, I'm calling it a troll thread because he uses it to judge the SC2 and community rather then try to just highlight the potential of BW players that haven't switched vs those who have. Edit2: Also EvilTeletubby making posts like; On May 12 2011 18:06 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 18:03 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 12 2011 18:01 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 17:59 tdt wrote:
This thread is growing faster than a SC2 LR thread...hmmm. Yeah, noticed that too. Amazed how riled up everyone seems to get. It's a front page post that attacks the entire SC2 community, what do you expect the response to be? Given the maturity of the SC2 community, I expect about the reaction it got. While also banning people for calling the article a troll really bothers me. Can you point to a specific ban you disagree with please?
I don't disagree with any of the bans, what bothered me was the reasons given, both;
"You disagreeing with something doesn't make it a troll. Stop being so close minded."
and
"Don't like it, that's fine, but if you're going to simply refer to it as 'trolling' because you disagree, then get out."
Bothered me as I also personally viewed it as a troll article and really don't understand why that's a bannable offense. I mean both the posts that got banned for that were pretty inflamitory so I'm not disagreeing with the either of the bans but instead the rational listed as on one hand he's calling the entire SC2 community immature and on the other he's reason for banning people is that they felt that the article was a troll.
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On May 12 2011 19:00 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 18:50 zatic wrote:On May 12 2011 18:40 TheButtonmen wrote:I'm pretty sad that the mods are starting to swing the banhammer so freely in that thread as it really really reads like a troll OP and the creator instead of getting a warning instead gets put on the front page. Edit: To clarify I'm not calling it a troll thread because I dislike it, I'm calling it a troll thread because he uses it to judge the SC2 and community rather then try to just highlight the potential of BW players that haven't switched vs those who have. Edit2: Also EvilTeletubby making posts like; On May 12 2011 18:06 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 18:03 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 12 2011 18:01 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 17:59 tdt wrote:
This thread is growing faster than a SC2 LR thread...hmmm. Yeah, noticed that too. Amazed how riled up everyone seems to get. It's a front page post that attacks the entire SC2 community, what do you expect the response to be? Given the maturity of the SC2 community, I expect about the reaction it got. While also banning people for calling the article a troll really bothers me. Can you point to a specific ban you disagree with please? I don't disagree with any of the bans, what bothered me was the reasons given, both; "You disagreeing with something doesn't make it a troll. Stop being so close minded." and "Don't like it, that's fine, but if you're going to simply refer to it as 'trolling' because you disagree, then get out." Bothered me as I also personally viewed it as a troll article and really don't understand why that's a bannable offense. I mean both the posts that got banned for that were pretty inflamitory so I'm not disagreeing with the either of the bans but instead the rational listed as on one hand he's calling the entire SC2 community immature and on the other he's reason for banning people is that they felt that the article was a troll.
Calling other posters trolls is the fastest way to derail discussion as it provides means to simply disregard other people points.
I would imagine this is the main reason why it is frowned upon.
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On May 12 2011 19:00 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 18:50 zatic wrote:On May 12 2011 18:40 TheButtonmen wrote:I'm pretty sad that the mods are starting to swing the banhammer so freely in that thread as it really really reads like a troll OP and the creator instead of getting a warning instead gets put on the front page. Edit: To clarify I'm not calling it a troll thread because I dislike it, I'm calling it a troll thread because he uses it to judge the SC2 and community rather then try to just highlight the potential of BW players that haven't switched vs those who have. Edit2: Also EvilTeletubby making posts like; On May 12 2011 18:06 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 18:03 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 12 2011 18:01 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 17:59 tdt wrote:
This thread is growing faster than a SC2 LR thread...hmmm. Yeah, noticed that too. Amazed how riled up everyone seems to get. It's a front page post that attacks the entire SC2 community, what do you expect the response to be? Given the maturity of the SC2 community, I expect about the reaction it got. While also banning people for calling the article a troll really bothers me. Can you point to a specific ban you disagree with please? I don't disagree with any of the bans, what bothered me was the reasons given, both; "You disagreeing with something doesn't make it a troll. Stop being so close minded." and "Don't like it, that's fine, but if you're going to simply refer to it as 'trolling' because you disagree, then get out." Bothered me as I also personally viewed it as a troll article and really don't understand why that's a bannable offense. I mean both the posts that got banned for that were pretty inflamitory so I'm not disagreeing with the either of the bans but instead the rational listed as on one hand he's calling the entire SC2 community immature and on the other he's reason for banning people is that they felt that the article was a troll.
Using the word troll incorrectly, as it is in every instance in that thread as well as the vast majority of times, was a bannable offense for a while. Sad to see that policy fall by the wayside =/
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On May 12 2011 19:13 elmizzt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 19:00 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 12 2011 18:50 zatic wrote:On May 12 2011 18:40 TheButtonmen wrote:I'm pretty sad that the mods are starting to swing the banhammer so freely in that thread as it really really reads like a troll OP and the creator instead of getting a warning instead gets put on the front page. Edit: To clarify I'm not calling it a troll thread because I dislike it, I'm calling it a troll thread because he uses it to judge the SC2 and community rather then try to just highlight the potential of BW players that haven't switched vs those who have. Edit2: Also EvilTeletubby making posts like; On May 12 2011 18:06 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 18:03 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 12 2011 18:01 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 17:59 tdt wrote:
This thread is growing faster than a SC2 LR thread...hmmm. Yeah, noticed that too. Amazed how riled up everyone seems to get. It's a front page post that attacks the entire SC2 community, what do you expect the response to be? Given the maturity of the SC2 community, I expect about the reaction it got. While also banning people for calling the article a troll really bothers me. Can you point to a specific ban you disagree with please? I don't disagree with any of the bans, what bothered me was the reasons given, both; "You disagreeing with something doesn't make it a troll. Stop being so close minded." and "Don't like it, that's fine, but if you're going to simply refer to it as 'trolling' because you disagree, then get out." Bothered me as I also personally viewed it as a troll article and really don't understand why that's a bannable offense. I mean both the posts that got banned for that were pretty inflamitory so I'm not disagreeing with the either of the bans but instead the rational listed as on one hand he's calling the entire SC2 community immature and on the other he's reason for banning people is that they felt that the article was a troll. Using the word troll incorrectly, as it is in every instance in that thread as well as the vast majority of times, was a bannable offense for a while. Sad to see that policy fall by the wayside =/
I'm generally a supporter of seeing that policy die. Words do not have fixed definitions. Trying to fix the definitions of words is simply unrealistic and will not happen. This is doubly so when the words are forum-words that have no long-established dictionary definition. What TL says "troll" means is not necessarily what others say it means. Forcing people to adhere to the TL definition of the word is simply not useful.
That being said, I do think that the vast majority of the time someone says "X is a troll", they're basically saying, "don't listen to him anymore." That's antithetical to the kind of proper dialog that a discussion forum should be trying to foster. This is also why inflammatory rhetoric ("X is immature", "X is stupid", etc) should be looked down on in the same way; they're all ways to get people to ignore the opposing viewpoint. The word "troll" is not the only way to cut off discussion. They're all ad hominem attacks, and all ad-hom does is cut off useful discussion.
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how is this a troll article exactly? he had an opinion, and he spelled it out in a well written way that is not blatantly inflammatory, as compared to many of these joes who got banned who may disagree but didn't express it logically or coherently.
those guys who got banned deserved it. if you don't agree with something, say why you don't agree and explain it. labelling it as a troll article just shows you can't articulate your own thoughts and disagree for the sake of disagreeing.
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On May 12 2011 18:17 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 18:13 Reaper9 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Xenocide_Knight was just temp banned for 2 weeks by boesthius.
That account was created on 2008-01-25 00:45:53 and had 1030 posts.
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And that's why sc2 is not a very good competitive game..
Thank god an article like this finally came out. If TL wants to be a professional e-sport covering website, it should be 90% about the ONLY professional e-sport. BW.
You've been banned before for this exact same thing. You're making this too easy for me.
darkscream was just temp banned for 1 week by EvilTeletubby.
That account was created on 2010-12-04 11:00:59 and had 191 posts.
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On May 12 2011 17:31 darkscream wrote:
More of the usual TL drivel, O HARKEN THE DAYS OF BROOD WAR, WHERE PLAYERS WERE BETTER AND PEOPLE WHO READ ABOUT THE PLAYERS WERE ALSO BETTER
give me a break, if these guys had any SC2 skill they'd be playing SC2 since that's where the money is, obviously they are super powerful at broodwar and I hope they stay there, as the game is ancient and without major following outside of korea and teamliquid.net
also, how come you can write what is essentially a troll article? If I wrote a troll post on the forums I'd get banned. Yet this article does nothing but
a) make the BW nostalgia crew fap with anticipation
b) anger/confuse newer fans of SC2 who don't give a rat's ass about BW
c) bait trolling
Don't like it, that's fine, but if you're going to simply refer to it as 'trolling' because you disagree, then get out.
TL.net Bot TL.net. May 12 2011 18:09. Posts 6 PM Profile Quote #
Inori was just temp banned for 1 week by EvilTeletubby.
That account was created on 2010-03-07 15:11:39 and had 959 posts.
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On May 12 2011 18:06 Inori wrote:
I don't get the point of this. Why is this even featured as FE?
So you're saying that top players, who, for the last 5-10 years, spent their time playing SC1 for 10+ hours a day would be successful in its predecessor? Captain Obvious, that you?
Way to be a dick and not contribute. You have a ton of warnings about this same thing, are you going to learn? Kekeke, it has started. Like moths to a flame. Edit: Sorry, I'm probably enjoying this more then I should. XD it will only grow
The thread may be the legendary TL purge in disguise hehe.
Anyways, has anyone else noticed that the TL.net Bot's post count has recently decreased to 6? What could it mean?!?
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On May 12 2011 19:00 TheButtonmen wrote:
Bothered me as I also personally viewed it as a troll article and really don't understand why that's a bannable offense. I mean both the posts that got banned for that were pretty inflamitory so I'm not disagreeing with the either of the bans but instead the rational listed as on one hand he's calling the entire SC2 community immature and on the other he's reason for banning people is that they felt that the article was a troll.
You can think of it as whatever you'd like, but that doesn't mean you can attempt to derail the thread by posting something that's obviously offtopic and detrimental.
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United States42524 Posts
Reason: Failure to read the OP, the thread, the most recent posts, and the OP note at the top of the thread.
He was replying to a post made in 2009 while the topic was updated. He clearly didn't read the update.
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I don't see how that's banworthy, does he have a history of bad posting? -.-
I also don't see how that proves he didn't read the OP, the most recent posts, or the note at the top of the thread.
Also the top of the thread says that the guy wasn't a soldier, which is really opinion-based and splitting hairs, it's not really a fair thing to say.
It seems to me that 90% of the reason he was banned was his opinion. But don't worry I know I have a tendency to drag these things on, you can reply to me I won't bring it up again.
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United States42524 Posts
He has three warnings and this is his third temp. The update clearly said that the court found it sufficiently possible for him to disobey orders (10% of people did) for him to have been faced with a real choice.
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Zurich15325 Posts
He was banned for exactly the reasons Kwark explained. If you have any evidence that he was a soldier you can PM them to me. And I would suggest to the court and the defense as well, they could use that I would imagine.
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Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
On May 12 2011 19:00 TheButtonmen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2011 18:50 zatic wrote:On May 12 2011 18:40 TheButtonmen wrote:I'm pretty sad that the mods are starting to swing the banhammer so freely in that thread as it really really reads like a troll OP and the creator instead of getting a warning instead gets put on the front page. Edit: To clarify I'm not calling it a troll thread because I dislike it, I'm calling it a troll thread because he uses it to judge the SC2 and community rather then try to just highlight the potential of BW players that haven't switched vs those who have. Edit2: Also EvilTeletubby making posts like; On May 12 2011 18:06 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 18:03 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 12 2011 18:01 EvilTeletubby wrote:On May 12 2011 17:59 tdt wrote:
This thread is growing faster than a SC2 LR thread...hmmm. Yeah, noticed that too. Amazed how riled up everyone seems to get. It's a front page post that attacks the entire SC2 community, what do you expect the response to be? Given the maturity of the SC2 community, I expect about the reaction it got. While also banning people for calling the article a troll really bothers me. Can you point to a specific ban you disagree with please? I don't disagree with any of the bans, what bothered me was the reasons given, both; "You disagreeing with something doesn't make it a troll. Stop being so close minded." and "Don't like it, that's fine, but if you're going to simply refer to it as 'trolling' because you disagree, then get out." Bothered me as I also personally viewed it as a troll article and really don't understand why that's a bannable offense. I mean both the posts that got banned for that were pretty inflamitory so I'm not disagreeing with the either of the bans but instead the rational listed as on one hand he's calling the entire SC2 community immature and on the other he's reason for banning people is that they felt that the article was a troll.
In addition to what NicolBolas and fush have already said, by saying "this article is a troll attempt", people are essentially dismissing what clearly took a lot of thought and effort on intrigue's part, which I find incredibly disrespectful. Like I've stated numerous times, I could care less if people agree with the article or not, but to call it a troll attempt just because you don't like what it states is a bit ridiculous IMO.
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On May 12 2011 18:40 TheButtonmen wrote:
Edit: To clarify I'm not calling it a troll thread because I dislike it, I'm calling it a troll thread because he uses it to judge the SC2 and community rather then try to just highlight the potential of BW players that haven't switched vs those who have.
On May 13 2011 15:50 EvilTeletubby wrote:
In addition to what NicolBolas and fush have already said, by saying "this article is a troll attempt", people are essentially dismissing what clearly took a lot of thought and effort on intrigue's part, which I find incredibly disrespectful. Like I've stated numerous times, I could care less if people agree with the article or not, but to call it a troll attempt just because you don't like what it states is a bit ridiculous IMO.
I think there is a difference in that thread between people complaining about the content and those complaining about the tone. I think what TheButtonmen is getting at it that the OP states he wants to talk about one thing, the fact that BW bonwjas haven't moved across, but the article also takes a swing at SC2. It can be read as an attempt to get people all riled up for nothing, which can seem like a troll. So saying to call it a troll attempt just because you don't like what it states is a bit ridiculous IMO
probably misses why people are calling it a troll.
If that isn't the case then perhaps Intrigue needs to clarify because right now it isn't clear.
Edit: Was waiting for this one. Just came right out the blue.
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On May 13 2011 15:01 Bandino wrote:
I would actually like to get some of the mods reasoning for why they thought this post was featured news worthy.
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why dont you shut the fuck up and go to another site before questioning their whys. They've been here for 10 + years. They know what they're doing
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As a part of the moderation staff I'd like to ask you to let us fight our own battles. In the mean time please try and be respectful towards other forum users.
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