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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28706 Posts
January 28 2021 15:51 GMT
#62641
I think there are some legitimate reasons to be nostalgic about the good old days of unregulated internet, but I don't understand how there being a higher prevalence of slurs can be one of those reasons.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19298 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-28 18:19:52
January 28 2021 17:11 GMT
#62642
On January 28 2021 19:16 MarlieChurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2021 10:18 BisuDagger wrote:
The fact that Telecom made it this long is legendary. I feel like we should unperm someone else with a large rap sheet to balance the force.


K thx

You were, no joke, who I thought of when I posted that. There was someone else legendary that I’m trying to remember. I think they had accounts like mca1 through mca1000.

Regarding moderation, I think the slur moderation is pretty spot on these days. I think I have to bite my toungue more regarding political moderation because usually it’s 15 liberals against one conservative and that conservative poster can’t handle debating all 15 liberals at once and starts responding aggressively. I understand how that periodic aggressiveness can be tiresome to moderate, but I feel like some of the guys banned had moments where they did a really good job defending their position while being in the minority in the political thread.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
January 28 2021 17:18 GMT
#62643
Remember that mca64 launcher person? I don't remember what his main username was but maybe we unban that dude to achieve balance!
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-28 17:28:05
January 28 2021 17:26 GMT
#62644
I'd rather just unban Ej_ or fluidrone
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19298 Posts
January 28 2021 18:20 GMT
#62645
On January 29 2021 02:18 LegalLord wrote:
Remember that mca64 launcher person? I don't remember what his main username was but maybe we unban that dude to achieve balance!

Yes! ^ mca lol.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10231 Posts
January 28 2021 19:28 GMT
#62646
On January 29 2021 02:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'd rather just unban Ej_ or fluidrone

Big no on the latter.
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MarlieChurphy
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-28 20:05:52
January 28 2021 19:59 GMT
#62647

On January 29 2021 02:11 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2021 19:16 MarlieChurphy wrote:
On January 26 2021 10:18 BisuDagger wrote:
The fact that Telecom made it this long is legendary. I feel like we should unperm someone else with a large rap sheet to balance the force.


K thx

You were, no joke, who I thought of when I posted that. There was someone else legendary that I’m trying to remember. I think they had accounts like mca1 through mca1000.

Regarding moderation, I think the slur moderation is pretty spot on these days. I think I have to bite my toungue more regarding political moderation because usually it’s 15 liberals against one conservative and that conservative poster can’t handle debating all 15 liberals at once and starts responding aggressively. I understand how that periodic aggressiveness can be tiresome to moderate, but I feel like some of the guys banned had moments where they did a really good job defending their position while being in the minority in the political thread.


M'lady. *tips hat*.

Yea, my politics are lib/center/left tbh, but I detest the Ctrl-left more than the alt-right, and since I'm not on the cancel culture tribe identity politics im a 'racist conservative who sucks Trump's dick' etc. When I am debating something and get bum-rushed by all of them and they start calling me names, I call them hypocrites and I know that I am winning that argument. If anything TL taught me was to not joke or name call people and hold frame and let them hang themselves.

On January 29 2021 00:51 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I think there are some legitimate reasons to be nostalgic about the good old days of unregulated internet, but I don't understand how there being a higher prevalence of slurs can be one of those reasons.


I think its nostalgic because its when you were a young boy and saying edgy shit was funny and daring and people who were none of those targeted words would get super tilted from it. You know like when you first started cussing and accidentally said it around family and knew it was gonna get you in trouble. That's the nostalgia of it. It doesnt even matter the meaning of the words, just the fact that they are off limits.

What are all that banned words these days? F-slur or any homosexual related words, N-word or any race based words, both R-words, I don't think people even used pwned or owned anymore because the slavery connotation. etc Some of it goes a bit to far but it doesnt even matter because language has always constantly evolved and ideas dont go away, they just change slang and use different words or make up new words. Kind of like Moron and Idiot used to be technical terms and people used them on every day interactions decades ago with more weight attached to them.

"Some members threatened to leave the association if a single word were removed; others threatened to leave the association if any offensive words remained," he said. "There were a lot of good and bad arguments on both sides." -Scrabble Committee



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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10231 Posts
January 28 2021 20:38 GMT
#62648
On January 29 2021 02:11 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2021 19:16 MarlieChurphy wrote:
On January 26 2021 10:18 BisuDagger wrote:
The fact that Telecom made it this long is legendary. I feel like we should unperm someone else with a large rap sheet to balance the force.


K thx

You were, no joke, who I thought of when I posted that. There was someone else legendary that I’m trying to remember. I think they had accounts like mca1 through mca1000.

Regarding moderation, I think the slur moderation is pretty spot on these days. I think I have to bite my toungue more regarding political moderation because usually it’s 15 liberals against one conservative and that conservative poster can’t handle debating all 15 liberals at once and starts responding aggressively. I understand how that periodic aggressiveness can be tiresome to moderate, but I feel like some of the guys banned had moments where they did a really good job defending their position while being in the minority in the political thread.

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"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
January 28 2021 22:08 GMT
#62649
On January 29 2021 00:24 JimmiC wrote:
I'm with Brian, it is not that I am offended it is that it is wrong and too often people just let wrongs slide. Wrongs should be called out and then the people doing them can decided if they want to continue being like that or not. Often I don't think people realize how it could impact some young (or not so young person) who has their own issues about their sexuality or the sexuality of someone they love.

And then the other side is it is just lazy, embarrassing and stupid. The only reason to lash out with those words is because you have nothing smart to say and whatever they did or said made the person writing it so mad. I'm not sure why they have right to tell others to not get mad about stuff written on the internet if they can't handle what others write on the internet and spaz out.

I'm not saying anyone was offended(god I hope not), just that this is a bad reason and people shouldn't be. Nothing else
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AbouSV
Profile Joined October 2014
Germany1278 Posts
January 28 2021 23:19 GMT
#62650
On January 29 2021 02:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'd rather just unban Ej_ or fluidrone


#Freefd
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26012 Posts
January 29 2021 00:30 GMT
#62651
On January 29 2021 00:24 JimmiC wrote:
I'm with Brian, it is not that I am offended it is that it is wrong and too often people just let wrongs slide. Wrongs should be called out and then the people doing them can decided if they want to continue being like that or not. Often I don't think people realize how it could impact some young (or not so young person) who has their own issues about their sexuality or the sexuality of someone they love.

And then the other side is it is just lazy, embarrassing and stupid. The only reason to lash out with those words is because you have nothing smart to say and whatever they did or said made the person writing it so mad. I'm not sure why they have right to tell others to not get mad about stuff written on the internet if they can't handle what others write on the internet and spaz out.

I’m not offended it just annoys me. I was always grumpy but I’m also older. There’s a million and one other places on the internet to be an idiot and spout whatever you want, I like the civility and earnest discussion one gets on TL.

I mean Kwark doesn’t use lazy slurs and some of his putdowns have me laughing and wincing on the behalf of the recipient. You can still be biting and a prick (even if it’s called for) with a bit of wit.

From my experiences running SC tournies and casting at a convention for nigh on a decade now (minus Covid), I’ve toned down certain things over the years. Our casts are approximately 40% SC analysis and 60% extremely off-colour humour, swapping co-casters and absolutely roasting and insulting all the members of the community.

All good in the hood until a few people had issues and took me aside, had a good discussion with a few about maybe some lines being crossed to the degree they felt uncomfortable, so really had to shelve some particular topics.

I suppose part of it is as a regular white straight dude, in a super white country it’s rare I’m in an environment where I’m any kind of outsider, or the butt of jokes. If I am the butt of jokes it’s among friends, based on stupid things I do (which is often).

It’s tricky to put myself in the shoes of the singular woman who sat in our audience one day out of curiosity and took up playing the game because of it, but who ended up having a quiet word about being made uncomfortable because that just doesn’t really happen to me, so I guess I had to take it on board.

On the flip-side, through my college years #1 through general life any feminist events or groups I’ve been to, while the issues have never been diluted to accommodate me as the minority dude in attendance, I’ve always been made feel very welcome in such environments. If I had felt uneasy and been told to just fuck off if I was offended I’d have been alienated from those issues and causes at a pretty young age, so I’d like to extend the same courtesy to others in areas I’m passionate about and like to share
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16097 Posts
January 29 2021 08:02 GMT
#62652
So i haven't been paying attention for a bit. You guys finally banned Serralfan and Berserksword. Can I just say? Thank you! I had grown more than tired of seeing their shit in every thread.
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7139 Posts
January 29 2021 19:02 GMT
#62653
On January 29 2021 02:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'd rather just unban Ej_ or fluidrone

Bring Ej back plz
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whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
January 29 2021 19:37 GMT
#62654
On January 29 2021 03:20 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2021 02:18 LegalLord wrote:
Remember that mca64 launcher person? I don't remember what his main username was but maybe we unban that dude to achieve balance!

Yes! ^ mca lol.


But was Bibi Rush after all?

On serious note mca launcher saved sc for so many.
it's not just a music it's something else
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10231 Posts
January 30 2021 08:05 GMT
#62655
On January 29 2021 17:02 Vindicare605 wrote:
So i haven't been paying attention for a bit. You guys finally banned Serralfan and Berserksword. Can I just say? Thank you! I had grown more than tired of seeing their shit in every thread.

Dave4 next. In a world where Rodya is banned, Dave4 must go too. Balance the force, so to speak.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33479 Posts
January 30 2021 15:29 GMT
#62656
On January 30 2021 04:02 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2021 02:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
I'd rather just unban Ej_ or fluidrone

Bring Ej back plz


This is DieuCure's call since he is the creditor on the bet
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-02 19:04:20
January 30 2021 16:40 GMT
#62657
On January 28 2021 23:46 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2021 23:38 JimmiC wrote:
On January 28 2021 18:20 zeo wrote:
On January 28 2021 07:31 KwarK wrote:
On January 28 2021 07:25 zeo wrote:
On January 28 2021 00:19 evilfatsh1t wrote:
no? dont know how you could see it from that perspective.
if someone called someone else a faggot on tl forums in 2021, 100% they would be warned/temped because the word would be deemed too offensive or inappropriate. back then whoever the mods were obviously understood that people talk shit on a gaming forum and you dont have to be sensitive to everything.
you cant deny mod standards have been influenced by pc culture on these forums over the past few years. theres probably a correlation between growing pc influence in tl and the dwindling number of conservatives actually

TL was run by much younger people 12 years ago. Those people are now old. There is a dwindling number of people in general because of the constant virtue signaling and gatekeeping of these old people emulating modern collage kids.

I say let the children talk shit. They are children, no one banned any of you from saying anything when you were young. When adults say these things its distasteful and i think lesser of them, but the person going out of their way to make long forum posts about the 'need to discuss it' is just facepalm. You will never see them writing about about gays being executed and strung up around the Arab world and Africa, but heaven forbid a no no was said on a forum. Got to write three paragraphs about that... pronto!

You’re upset that tl mods are doing more to police teamliquid posting than they do to combat homophobia in the Arab world? Do you see why that’s an odd thing to be upset about?

Im not upset, far from it. My second paragraph was aimed at the posters of TL, not the mods. The mods are just enabling these people to clutter up the forums with virtue signaling. Any normal person gets turned away from active participation and this has over time lead to less people staying here.

Forums in this format have become a relic of the past in general and im sure this is less atractive to younger people these days. But gatekeeping just turns what little is left away. When I joined TL something like 12 years ago now there where less people on than today, but the passion of the young staff and freedom of expression was there and that allowed TL to bloom after SC2 came out. If SC2 came out today people would check out these forums and be turned away. My two cents.

I think it is very strange that you think it's "normal" to use hateful and ignorant terms and that if not allowed these "normal" people won't stay. Do you you hear these things on the regular in your day to day? Do you think most people want to use them but cant/don't? Have you considered that maybe most people don't because they find it distasteful and wrong?

TL is not shrinking because of mods and users making ignorant and hateful people not welcome. They don't ban that many people, they ban a few people many times!

While I don't approve using these words on a regular basis, I must say that people shouldn't get offended by anonymous people on the internets. Also it shows more about the speaker when they have to use such terms. But maybe I'm just too insensitive after the years on the internets, especially since I started at CS which was quite offensive place(and I believe it still is :D )
I still play CS through CS GO. It's greatly decreased compared to 1.6 days. I'll like to say the userbase has grown up but it's more likely due to changed audio functions. Now that the other team cannot hear you, most of the impetus to insult is gone, though some still bother to type and since there's an easy mute function most games pass without insults. Times have changed. For example girls can play without being barraged by derogatory comments. Mostly nowadays you see accusations of cheating or someone copy pasting their report rather than homophobic or racial slurs.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-02-08 04:48:31
February 08 2021 01:02 GMT
#62658
I stop reading this thread cause nothing ever happens and I miss all of this. although I guess nothing happened the past week either.

regarding Danglers the only real memory I have is him citing some study for voter fraud and me finding a quote of the person who conducted the study saying you can't use it that way and him responding that the person was misinterpreting their own study. At that point I kind of started ignoring him. I don't really have an opinion either way I think conservative posters are good but their still need to rules to be fired.

also regarding language on the internet I always just see it as good buisness to try to moderate more. creates more diversity in users as well as avoiding some of the legal/moderation headaches and bad press. It's not about what's better as much as it is what is going to get the most people and create the most beneficial community in terms of ad revenue etc. so I just see that as companies trying to be aware of changing demands and expand their clientele.
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ExpatRights
Profile Joined February 2021
53 Posts
February 12 2021 15:14 GMT
#62659
if TL actually takes accusations of 'match fixing' seriously, why do they censor and warn you for pointing out very likely incidents?

the PM i got requested ACTUAL PROOF of match fixing... as if anyone except for the 2 involved will ever have it...
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43206 Posts
February 12 2021 15:17 GMT
#62660
On February 13 2021 00:14 ExpatRights wrote:
if TL actually takes accusations of 'match fixing' seriously, why do they censor and warn you for pointing out very likely incidents?

the PM i got requested ACTUAL PROOF of match fixing... as if anyone except for the 2 involved will ever have it...

Without proof it is just spreading negative rumours about members of the community. That is why it is removed.
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