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Sweden24591 Posts
November 07 2018 09:20 GMT
#60441
On November 06 2018 00:18 tofucake wrote:
Alternately, it makes you as close to a contributor as thousands upon thousands of adbots


Are you calling us adbots?
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
November 07 2018 13:18 GMT
#60442
How are all these adbots made anyway? Isnt there some CAPTCHA like system for creating accounts?
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19151 Posts
November 07 2018 14:22 GMT
#60443
captchas only get rid of the shitty ones
also plenty of times adbots are people in poor countries getting paid $2 a week to register on a bunch of places and post shit they've been given
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Poland9245 Posts
November 07 2018 14:29 GMT
#60444
On November 07 2018 23:22 tofucake wrote:
captchas only get rid of the shitty ones
also plenty of times adbots are people in poor countries getting paid $2 a week to register on a bunch of places and post shit they've been given


Can they put that in their CV?

2016-2018 professional adbot


sounds really cool.
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 07 2018 14:31 GMT
#60445
Captcha is a basically solved problem, no? Open a porn site, require "captcha" for viewing, actually serve people the captchas you want broken for you.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
November 07 2018 14:32 GMT
#60446
On November 07 2018 23:22 tofucake wrote:
captchas only get rid of the shitty ones
also plenty of times adbots are people in poor countries getting paid $2 a week to register on a bunch of places and post shit they've been given

The fuck? $2 a week? How in God’s name is that even worth the effort?
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18113 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-07 14:36:18
November 07 2018 14:35 GMT
#60447
On November 07 2018 23:32 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 23:22 tofucake wrote:
captchas only get rid of the shitty ones
also plenty of times adbots are people in poor countries getting paid $2 a week to register on a bunch of places and post shit they've been given

The fuck? $2 a week? How in God’s name is that even worth the effort?

Why would you take that literally?

Also, the real way captchas are solved is what opisska said.

There's also Amazon's mechanical turk. Although they supposedly monitor and remove this type of task (uh huh).
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 07 2018 14:57 GMT
#60448
On November 07 2018 23:32 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 23:22 tofucake wrote:
captchas only get rid of the shitty ones
also plenty of times adbots are people in poor countries getting paid $2 a week to register on a bunch of places and post shit they've been given

The fuck? $2 a week? How in God’s name is that even worth the effort?

There's a lot of poor countries out there where 2$ per week is preferable to starving. Talking about how things are/aren't "worth the effort" is a very Western thing.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18113 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-07 15:06:33
November 07 2018 15:03 GMT
#60449
On November 07 2018 23:57 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 23:32 Seeker wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:22 tofucake wrote:
captchas only get rid of the shitty ones
also plenty of times adbots are people in poor countries getting paid $2 a week to register on a bunch of places and post shit they've been given

The fuck? $2 a week? How in God’s name is that even worth the effort?

There's a lot of poor countries out there where 2$ per week is preferable to starving. Talking about how things are/aren't "worth the effort" is a very Western thing.

Worth the effort or not. Nowhere in the world is $2 a week reasonable, nor do I believe these jobs exist for these mentioned salaries. For starters, you need internet access, and that costs more than $2/week. Now if you're going into an office that organizes the internet access that means it's not some informal job that you do from your home, but an actual one with someone organizing your work environment (legal or not). And even the worst real jobs in the worst countries pay more than $2/week.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 07 2018 15:07 GMT
#60450
On November 08 2018 00:03 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 23:57 Danglars wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:32 Seeker wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:22 tofucake wrote:
captchas only get rid of the shitty ones
also plenty of times adbots are people in poor countries getting paid $2 a week to register on a bunch of places and post shit they've been given

The fuck? $2 a week? How in God’s name is that even worth the effort?

There's a lot of poor countries out there where 2$ per week is preferable to starving. Talking about how things are/aren't "worth the effort" is a very Western thing.

Worth the effort or not. Nowhere in the world is $2 a week reasonable, nor do I believe these jobs exist for these mentioned salaries. For starters, you need internet access, and that costs more than $2/week.


Internet on your cellphone access can be obtained for cheaper than $2 even in Poland and mobile services in general are super cheap in many poor countries - you don't need a 100mbit line to post a bit of spam.

$2 per week as wage still seems low, average income is $38 per month even in DR Congo, but it's not that far off.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 07 2018 15:19 GMT
#60451
On November 08 2018 00:07 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2018 00:03 Acrofales wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:57 Danglars wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:32 Seeker wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:22 tofucake wrote:
captchas only get rid of the shitty ones
also plenty of times adbots are people in poor countries getting paid $2 a week to register on a bunch of places and post shit they've been given

The fuck? $2 a week? How in God’s name is that even worth the effort?

There's a lot of poor countries out there where 2$ per week is preferable to starving. Talking about how things are/aren't "worth the effort" is a very Western thing.

Worth the effort or not. Nowhere in the world is $2 a week reasonable, nor do I believe these jobs exist for these mentioned salaries. For starters, you need internet access, and that costs more than $2/week.


Internet on your cellphone access can be obtained for cheaper than $2 even in Poland and mobile services in general are super cheap in many poor countries - you don't need a 100mbit line to post a bit of spam.

$2 per week as wage still seems low, average income is $38 per month even in DR Congo, but it's not that far off.

You drive a hard bargain. How about $3 a week then?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18113 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-07 15:24:24
November 07 2018 15:21 GMT
#60452
On November 08 2018 00:07 opisska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2018 00:03 Acrofales wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:57 Danglars wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:32 Seeker wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:22 tofucake wrote:
captchas only get rid of the shitty ones
also plenty of times adbots are people in poor countries getting paid $2 a week to register on a bunch of places and post shit they've been given

The fuck? $2 a week? How in God’s name is that even worth the effort?

There's a lot of poor countries out there where 2$ per week is preferable to starving. Talking about how things are/aren't "worth the effort" is a very Western thing.

Worth the effort or not. Nowhere in the world is $2 a week reasonable, nor do I believe these jobs exist for these mentioned salaries. For starters, you need internet access, and that costs more than $2/week.


Internet on your cellphone access can be obtained for cheaper than $2 even in Poland and mobile services in general are super cheap in many poor countries - you don't need a 100mbit line to post a bit of spam.

$2 per week as wage still seems low, average income is $38 per month even in DR Congo, but it's not that far off.

Presumably we use the same site (worlddata.info).

Average income is calculated by gross national income and population. On dividing all annual incomes and profits by the amount of the countrie's population, it will show the average income per capita. Included in this amount are all salaries and wages but also other unearned income on investments or capital gain.

That therefore also takes people who don't participate in the official economy (e.g. subsistance farmers) into account.

So, digging deeper, lets go to Madagascar, the country lowest on that ranking, at $33/month:

https://wageindicator.org/salary/living-wage/madagascar-living-wage-series-january-2018-country-overview

Legal minimum wage is $43,50. Real wage of low-skilled worker (as calculated by this site's survey) starts at $61.

So, no, $2/week is not happening anywhere. Although $15/week is shocking enough.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 07 2018 15:31 GMT
#60453
On November 08 2018 00:03 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2018 23:57 Danglars wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:32 Seeker wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:22 tofucake wrote:
captchas only get rid of the shitty ones
also plenty of times adbots are people in poor countries getting paid $2 a week to register on a bunch of places and post shit they've been given

The fuck? $2 a week? How in God’s name is that even worth the effort?

There's a lot of poor countries out there where 2$ per week is preferable to starving. Talking about how things are/aren't "worth the effort" is a very Western thing.

Worth the effort or not. Nowhere in the world is $2 a week reasonable, nor do I believe these jobs exist for these mentioned salaries. For starters, you need internet access, and that costs more than $2/week. Now if you're going into an office that organizes the internet access that means it's not some informal job that you do from your home, but an actual one with someone organizing your work environment (legal or not). And even the worst real jobs in the worst countries pay more than $2/week.

Where did I say it was reasonable? These operations are very scalable (splitting low-cost line among dozens of employees), and generally rely on low payroll. Did you think the average Chinese gold farmer for WoW earned more? Thailand's minimum wage was $0.16 USD per day at the beginning of this year.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18113 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-07 15:35:24
November 07 2018 15:34 GMT
#60454
On November 08 2018 00:31 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2018 00:03 Acrofales wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:57 Danglars wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:32 Seeker wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:22 tofucake wrote:
captchas only get rid of the shitty ones
also plenty of times adbots are people in poor countries getting paid $2 a week to register on a bunch of places and post shit they've been given

The fuck? $2 a week? How in God’s name is that even worth the effort?

There's a lot of poor countries out there where 2$ per week is preferable to starving. Talking about how things are/aren't "worth the effort" is a very Western thing.

Worth the effort or not. Nowhere in the world is $2 a week reasonable, nor do I believe these jobs exist for these mentioned salaries. For starters, you need internet access, and that costs more than $2/week. Now if you're going into an office that organizes the internet access that means it's not some informal job that you do from your home, but an actual one with someone organizing your work environment (legal or not). And even the worst real jobs in the worst countries pay more than $2/week.

Where did I say it was reasonable? These operations are very scalable (splitting low-cost line among dozens of employees), and generally rely on low payroll. Did you think the average Chinese gold farmer for WoW earned more? Thailand's minimum wage was $0.16 USD per day at the beginning of this year.

I rate that 5 pinocchios. Thailand's minimum wage is 325 baht (and was 305 baht last year) per day, which is ~$10.

E: have a source https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/minimum-wages
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 07 2018 15:38 GMT
#60455
shouldn't we be doing this on PPP anyways
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 07 2018 15:45 GMT
#60456
On November 08 2018 00:34 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2018 00:31 Danglars wrote:
On November 08 2018 00:03 Acrofales wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:57 Danglars wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:32 Seeker wrote:
On November 07 2018 23:22 tofucake wrote:
captchas only get rid of the shitty ones
also plenty of times adbots are people in poor countries getting paid $2 a week to register on a bunch of places and post shit they've been given

The fuck? $2 a week? How in God’s name is that even worth the effort?

There's a lot of poor countries out there where 2$ per week is preferable to starving. Talking about how things are/aren't "worth the effort" is a very Western thing.

Worth the effort or not. Nowhere in the world is $2 a week reasonable, nor do I believe these jobs exist for these mentioned salaries. For starters, you need internet access, and that costs more than $2/week. Now if you're going into an office that organizes the internet access that means it's not some informal job that you do from your home, but an actual one with someone organizing your work environment (legal or not). And even the worst real jobs in the worst countries pay more than $2/week.

Where did I say it was reasonable? These operations are very scalable (splitting low-cost line among dozens of employees), and generally rely on low payroll. Did you think the average Chinese gold farmer for WoW earned more? Thailand's minimum wage was $0.16 USD per day at the beginning of this year.

I rate that 5 pinocchios. Thailand's minimum wage is 325 baht (and was 305 baht last year) per day, which is ~$10.

E: have a source https://tradingeconomics.com/thailand/minimum-wages

Sorry increased by that much depending on location. Read a bloomberg article wrong.
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 07 2018 15:48 GMT
#60457
I like how the topic of "how much of shitty wages there actually are" has suddenly attracted so much attention
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
November 07 2018 16:01 GMT
#60458
A minimum wage change from $0.16 to $0.67 per day

was actually local variations cross-country in the change within the minimum wage, not the old and new minimum wage per day =\
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19151 Posts
November 07 2018 16:17 GMT
#60459
you guys went really ham on what I thought was an obvious exaggeration...
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-07 16:44:15
November 07 2018 16:43 GMT
#60460
On November 08 2018 01:17 tofucake wrote:
you guys went really ham on what I thought was an obvious exaggeration...

Come to think of it, this derail is entirely your fault -__-
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